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stormrider
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« on: September 25, 2009, 11:06:45 PM »

Didn't look like more people than what you can see in any downtown area in America, except cops, sound cannons, etc. always draw a crowd. Seems like the cops were the ones causing a ruckus. Closing the streets, filling the streets with goons. And what is so special about the g-20 that we should spend so many tax dollars protecting them from a handful of protestors? If they are up to something sinister then maybe we should all be there protesting, ehhh?

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« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2009, 04:59:50 AM »

You know - it look likes one of those mock exercises - just an exercise for the local police to see how they would react in a real situation police
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« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2009, 05:07:38 AM »

You know - it look likes one of those mock exercises - just an exercise for the local police to see how they would react in a real situation police

I sure hope it was an exercise, and I agree it seemed more like a practice thing.   I thought it was fishy that there wasnt more excitement in the crowd if they had really just been gassed and blasted with sound cannons.......I will be watching to see if any news channel covers this.  However, It is scary to think that our own law enforcement is being trained to violate our basic rights, I think its a departure from anything I have ever seen come from a normal police force, even if it was a "practice"
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« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2009, 06:16:14 AM »

Wow.

Going down the tubes so slowly yet so fast.

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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2009, 07:15:06 AM »

First off I love it how those on the outside pick up a small little video and don't have the big picture and make these kind of comments.  Again, I am here in the Pittsburgh area and it is being broadcast on the local news about the Protestors doing damage to local businesses, residential property and holding unlawful assemblies (not being registered or having the required permit).  Rolling dumpsters down the street or breaking windows  is not a good thing for businesses or residents and could even kill someone. The G20 was held in Downtown Pittsburgh area and for big picture security reasons was closed down for the most part for the security of the G20 Officials and local residents, and also for those protestors that lawfully registered and or obtained a permit for their protest.  There were not as many protestors as was originally expected.  Maybe due to economical reasons??? more didn't come.... but you might enlighten us as to why you didn't make it.

There were military flights overhead for most of the night and day during the G20 for security purposes and one small aircraft entered the restricted airspace and was confronted with Military aircraft.

While I might agree with you that this G20 Summit was most likely a huge waste of taxpayer money... it probably didn't accomplish anything other than some photo ops and a social gathering hoopla, and could very well have been held via a Video Tele-Conference.....saving millions of taxpayer dollars.  And, while the Big 3 Automakers were "scolded" publicly by the government for flying their corporate  jets to ask the government for bail out money, the government continues to spend and overspend your money on traveling to/from big fancy social events like this and their own personal protection/security without much of a squabble.  The government doesn't ask you for your money, they just pass a new tax law and take it.



However, on the flip side...had there been an incident where a public US or Foreign Official Leader, or god forbid even the President was harmed or just attacked without harm.... there would have been hell to pay.  Kinda like "cursed if you do and cursed if you don't".  



I'm tired......



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« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2009, 08:03:12 AM »

Good morning Pavalker. Thanks for the update. We on the outside rarely get the "facts" and then they are always slanted or tainted. I am leary, however, of any body of bankers/govt leaders when the seclude or shield themselves from the public. I honestly believe if they were out for the betterment of society as a whole there wouldn't be any concern about harm from the public. Again, why the heck do I have to pay for the security of foriegn leaders anyhow? It probably would have been a lot cheaper to rent a cruise ship, pick em up straight from the airport and go offshore a mile and have their party. Why close down the streets in Philly or any other city in the USA?

And Jeff, this video is for real. Course I didn't see any vandalism in this video however as Pavalker stated there have been some who have done some property damage. Idea! What if the govt planted some goons or gang members in the crowd to cause the damage in order to blame it on the peaceful protesters? Naw. Not in America. We might do that overseas somewhere, but never in America. Surely they wouldn't stoop that low?
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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2009, 09:22:00 AM »

Check out some local PITTSBURGH G20 news here....
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/index.html
http://kdka.com/
www.wpxi.com
http://www.wpxi.com/news/21120677/detail.html


If the G20 was held on a ship at sea, there would still be protesters on other boats etc, like pirates and the security would be the US Coast Guard, US Navy, US Air Force and other security forces as well.    My question is why do these G20 Summits to begin with, save the taxpayer dollars and do video tele-conference from their own area and with their own security and expense (like any normal business might or would do during tough economic times).  There were some big social hoopla events too... with taxpayer paid security.   In a time where the economic situation doesn't justify blatantly spending, spending and spending our tax dollars why spend em?  They bash Corporate America and private citizens for spending but god forbid we hold them accountable and bash them for their spending.  It's our money...   They will just continue to spend until they feel the pinch themselves...  and unless we make them feel the pinch, they will continue to tax and spend OUR money as THEY see fit.   And the party in office now has spent more than the previous party too.....  

I'm tired......





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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2009, 09:55:36 AM »

Thank god they accomplished soo much in one meeting day (not countng all the social events, tours and dinners).  Our economic situation is going to be soooo much better now after this meeting.... Obama said so.   Grin

They give themselves such a pat on the back, it's like they were miracle workers and all is better now.   Grin



Obama: G20 Brought Economy Back From Brink
Posted: 9:50 pm EDT September 25, 2009

PITTSBURGH -- World leaders on Friday issued sweeping promises to fix a malfunctioning global economic system in hopes of heading off future financial meltdowns. President Barack Obama said actions taken so far "brought the global economy back from the brink."


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"We leave here today confident and united," Obama said at the conclusion of a two-day gathering of the world's 20 top economies to deal with the worst financial crisis since the 1930s.

The leaders agreed to keep stimulus plans, which include government spending and low interest rates, generally in place in their respective countries for now to avoid derailing still-fragile recoveries. Obama had pressed for just such a course and praised the decision.

"Our coordinated stimulus plans played an indispensable role in averting catastrophe. Now we must make sure that when growth returns, jobs do, too," he said at a wrap-up news conference. "That's why we will continue our stimulus efforts until our people are back to work and phase them out when our recovery is strong."

In a statement, all the G-20 leaders declared major progress from what they called their coordinated efforts and "forceful response."

"It worked," they said.

Although many of the pronouncements and actions taken by the leaders lacked specifics or details on follow-through, leaders were bold in pronouncing the gathering -- the third G-20 summit in a year -- as a big success.

"There was unanimity around the table that the errors of the past won't happen again," said French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

"The old system of international economic cooperation is over. The new system, as of today, has begun," said British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, referring to a decision to enhance the status for the Group of 20 to make it the lead group for dealing with future international economic issues, eclipsing the older, Western-dominated Group of Eight.

"I have the impression that we are on a successful path," said German Chancellor Angela Merkel, before leaving Pittsburgh to fly back to Berlin, where she faces German voters on Sunday.

They moved to require members to subject their economic policies to the scrutiny of a peer review process that would determine whether they were "collectively consistent" with sustainable global growth. They promised tighter and more coordinated financial regulation.

And, repeating pledges from G-20 summits in November and April, when financial panic was rampant, they vowed anew to "reject protectionism in all its forms." They also went along with Obama's push for a pledge to withdraw government subsidies from fossil fuels such as oil, coal and natural gas linked to global warming.

While issuing lofty vows, the leaders failed to define how to accomplish many of them and were quickly back to bickering over details.

They did not suggest, for instance, how the peer review process would be enforced. And they failed to mention that previous pledges to avoid protectionism had been ignored by nearly all 20 members.

Disagreements over whether China should gain voting strength in the International Monetary Fund at the expense of European nations and over global warming language marred the summit.

Obama talked about actions of the G-20 as creating or saving "millions of jobs." Yet the U.S. economy alone has lost 3.1 million jobs since January when Obama took office. Since the recession started in December, 2007, some 6.9 million jobs have disappeared.

The group agreed to support changes in the makeup of the International Monetary Fund and World Bank.

The final statement said voting powers in the IMF "should reflect the relative weights of its members in the world economy, which have changed substantially in view of the strong growth in dynamic emerging market and developing countries."

Now, developed industrialized nations wield about 57 percent of the voting rights in the IMF to about 43 percent for developing nations. The G-20 leaders called for shifting shares from developed powers to emerging ones by at least 5 percentage points. They called for a similar shift at the World Bank. European countries, particularly France and Britain, have been resisting such changes.

Said Obama: "We brought the global economy back from the brink. We laid the groundwork today for long term prosperity."

"Pittsburgh was a perfect venue for this work," Obama said of the one-time despairing Rust Belt city. "This community has known its share of hard times. It picked itself up and dusted itself off. It serves as a model for turning the page to a 21st century."

Obama brushed off demonstrations in the city. He said they were mild compared with some in the past at international gatherings.

"I fundamentally disagree with their view that the free market is the source of all ills," he said. "Many of the protests are just directed generically at capitalism. ... One of the great things about the United States is you can speak your mind."

Obama said that tough new financial regulations backed by the G-20 summit would help avoid another economic crisis.

He also said that G-20 leaders would spare no effort to reach a global warming agreement at an international gathering later this year in Copenhagen. Summit leaders agreed to Obama's call to reduce government subsidies for fossil fuels. He said if fully implemented, the move would phase out $300 billion in global subsidies.

"All nations have a responsibility to face this challenge," he said.

Obama circulated among the leaders before the talks began, speaking to Chinese President Hu Jintao and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev.

Said Hu: "The foundation of an economic rebound is not yet solid, with many uncertainties remaining. A full economic recovery will take a slow and tortuous process."

Medvedev later said that there were limits to what the G-20 could do, even though it was an improvement over the G-8 grouping. "In the world, there are not just 20 countries, 20 economies, and therefore we have to think how the G-20 can work with the other countries that are not part of this club," the Russian president told reporters. He called the United Nations the most legitimate forum for this.

In an apparent reference to a recent trade spat in which the United States imposed punitive tariffs on Chinese tire imports, Hu called on the leaders to "resolutely oppose and reject protectionism in all forms."

Leaders papered over differences on the executive bonus issue by avoiding language for specific caps, something that France had pushed for but that the United States had opposed. A U.S. push for stronger requirements for bank capital -- the cushion that banks hold against loan losses -- was included, but with many of the specifics over how the capital would be determined left to set at later meetings.

The leaders also agreed to a U.S. proposal for a "framework for strong, sustainable and balanced growth" to deal with such issues as China's huge trade surpluses and the soaring U.S. budget deficit.

The streets of Pittsburgh were generally calm. A few thousand demonstrators pledging nonviolence banged drums, danced and held signs advocating assorted causes.

South Korean President Myung-bak said that his country will chair the G-20 next year and will host the next summit in November 2010.
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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2009, 05:48:26 PM »

Well, I read the story on this lady who went downtown just to see what was going on. She was told to disperse, was moving along with other cyclists and was shoved from behind by the popo. I probably would have responded similarly as she did. Shame on the cops that they can use physical force and when you try to defend yourself then it is a crime. What the heck?

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/video/21118651/index.html
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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2009, 04:29:21 PM »

When your intent is to go play in the cesspool and stir up some chit.... you should be prepared to get a little bit on you.  As was indicated in some of the reports, they were told to disperse many times and only when force was being used did they slowly start to move.... by then it's almost too late.


Oh and she knew what was going on in town, it's been on the news ya know.  And based on what her coworker stated about her.... it wasn't a surprise what happened as he or others indicated. 
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