What't the deal with Donald

[dreamaker]

I don’t totally understand what the deal is, why are people so afraid of Trump?  Now this is from my observations in life, I found people attack others for many reasons, some basic is because they are different, or appear weak and defective, that is why living beings, bully. Bulling is a primal function, in the attempt, and the process of toughing these beings for preparation of life.
 Another reason of attacking others is because one feels, and are threatened, or fear of an individual. The way I see it is there are a bunch of people that are scared that if Trump gets in, the party and perks are over.  He may not be the most diplomatic person for the job, but I think may be, the US ass kissing the world may be over, MAYBE!!  I have never seen a reaction like this in my life time, and don’t recall ever reading anything like it, maybe it is more common then I know. Keep in mind, the real people on the most part on the front lines are generally not the architects of the protests, the people in the view are the pawns, and the architects are standing in the shadows, supposedly for the greater good. Like I said, there seems to be a bunch of scare people out there, if it was about individual issues, and then people wouldn’t be acting like a bunch sheep.   It’s like TV today, they made an observation between Trump’s wife and Obama’s wife, about what they said and called plagiarism, WHO CARES!!!  They are not Poets, they are wives!!!    Just my observation!!

[Pete]

If Trump scares someone, they must be in a real panic when they think of Hillary.
If not they have lost touch with reality.

[dreamaker]

Personally I don't have anything against Hilary. My only problem with her is it seems, when she screws up or gets backed up against the wall, she wants to quit her position and responsibilities, and expects it to all go away. You want to talk about a loose cannon! Just my observation and my opinion!!

[mike72903]

Never seen an example like this in your lifetime? for an excellent example I refer you to most all political posts on this forum.  Just search on the terms Obama or obaminator or other derogatory nick name. Alternately search for Hillary or hildabeat or better, hildabeastbitch.

[Jess from VA]

If the shoe fits.......

[Oss]

Dreamaker

What are people afraid of?

I am afraid the list is as long as........................

If you are getting a benefit perhaps then scared of losing the benefit

If you came here W.O.P. (without papers) maybe you are scared that you or a family member(s) will have to leave

If you are a woman maybe scared that abortion will no longer be a choice

If you are a socialist maybe scared that you will be outed

If you have an unconventional marriage perhaps you are scared that you will somehow lose the status of being married

There are tons of knee jerk reasons why the donkey party can foster fear

Then there is always the fact that Mr T engages the mouth before fully engaging the brain on occasion

And yes I am FOR the nominee of the elephant party

and yes I am concerned *

Oss

* not scared yet, if they come for my Valkyrie then I will be scared

[G-Man]

Dreamaker

What are people afraid of?

I am afraid the list is as long as........................

If you are getting a benefit perhaps then scared of losing the benefit

If you came here W.O.P. (without papers) maybe you are scared that you or a family member(s) will have to leave

If you are a woman maybe scared that abortion will no longer be a choice

If you are a socialist maybe scared that you will be outed

If you have an unconventional marriage perhaps you are scared that you will somehow lose the status of being married

There are tons of knee jerk reasons why the donkey party can foster fear

Then there is always the fact that Mr T engages the mouth before fully engaging the brain on occasion

And yes I am FOR the nominee of the elephant party

and yes I am concerned *

Oss

* not scared yet, if they come for my Valkyrie then I will be scared

I think that Trump may possibly restore the intended roles of the 3 branches, unintentionally.

The house isn't going to go along with any of the far fetched nonsense he may spout off if elected.  The house will also help him get at least 3 conservative judges (increasing conservative judges by 1).  Both  branches will keep him in check.  The president's intended role was just to facilitate the laws enacted by the house, deemed constitutional by the court. 

But, if Clinton is elected, the house won't let anything go through, they'll be deemed obstructionists, holding the country hostage, etc.  This will piss people off and the mid term elections will lose lots of conservative seats.  Basically the pendulum swinging the other way.

[Psychotic Bovine]

Never seen an example like this in your lifetime? for an excellent example I refer you to most all political posts on this forum.  Just search on the terms Obama or obaminator or other derogatory nick name. Alternately search for Hillary or hildabeat or better, hildabeastbitch.

Obama and Hillary are derogatory nick names?

[John Schmidt]

Never seen an example like this in your lifetime? for an excellent example I refer you to most all political posts on this forum.  Just search on the terms Obama or obaminator or other derogatory nick name. Alternately search for Hillary or hildabeat or better, hildabeastbitch.

You sorta made his point for him. Those well placed adjectives are a result of their lack of performance in the political arena....at least legal performance. As for Trump, I also find him rather brusque at times, and like any of us has made some mistakes in his life. But overall, a majority of the time what he says he'll do is followed by solid action and completion. He's had many more successes than failures, something neither of the subject persons can lay claim to. As for successes, obama has done exactly what he said he wanted to do in his election speeches; change America. Only problem with that is....he didn't elaborate. Turned out it was a change for the worse. Plus, while he's been in office he has made some rulings I feel are outside his authority. As for Hillary, she's not only self-serving but is guilty in the eyes of the law when it comes to her handling of something as simple as the e-mail thing. The fact that she hasn't yet been prosecuted has no bearing on her guilt. It does have a lot to do with the fact that if she went down, so would a number of other high ranking officials, including the White House.

As for Trump, if he gets in I feel a lot of heads are going to roll. Going by his past, Trump will do as he always has....surround himself with talented and knowledgeable people, something missing for the last seven plus years. If he follows through on just a few of the issues he has addressed, that's what has all the hangers-on worried.....and the U.S. will be better off. The names given obama and clinton is something they have earned and I personally applaud it....they are so apropos.

But, my big issue of concern lies with appointments to the Supreme Court. If clinton gets in, the SCOTUS will have a liberal imbalance in rather short order, more imbalanced than at present. Some of the more recent decisions/opinions made by rather new appointees appear to have been made on personal belief or convictions rather that the rule of law. If Trump should take the office, that won't be an issue....at least for the rest of my lifetime. That alone is comforting enough for the next few years....or however long I'm gifted to be here.

[dreamaker]

No matter how bad something is, I can find good in it, no matter how good something is I can find bad in it, it’s all a matter of how you interpret it. That may be the reason; PC was created, so you can’t just quite put your finger on things. When people are on this forum, and express themselves, or pissed off, and B*tching, that is a good thing, because they are venting. It’s when they get quiet, is when you should be concerned. You speak of derogatory, so what! Time to grow up, people have their opinions, REMEMBER Sticks and Stones……….

[Robert]

Oss and John both had good responses, but I say the real fear has nothing to do with those who may or may not lose benefits. I say its more in the top part of the government and the old guard. They, just like Soros are upset if Trump wins because he will not play their games and actually may restore and ruin the changes that these groups have put in place.
 The idea of changing O care to a system that actually works and is fair would be great.

[mike72903]

No matter how bad something is, I can find good in it, no matter how good something is I can find bad in it, it’s all a matter of how you interpret it. That may be the reason; PC was created, so you can’t just quite put your finger on things. When people are on this forum, and express themselves, or pissed off, and B*tching, that is a good thing, because they are venting. It’s when they get quiet, is when you should be concerned. You speak of derogatory, so what! Time to grow up, people have their opinions, REMBER Sticks and Stones……….

My version goes "every cloud has a silver lining and every silver lining comes with a cloud" 

[Gavin_Sons]

Never seen an example like this in your lifetime? for an excellent example I refer you to most all political posts on this forum.  Just search on the terms Obama or obaminator or other derogatory nick name. Alternately search for Hillary or hildabeat or better, hildabeastbitch.

Obama and Hillary are derogatory nick names?

yes   

[Willow]

I usually don't bother explaining what is or is not acceptable as it just intensifies the work of administering this board and my belief is that anyone who notices his post is gone will understand why.

I'm going to make an exception here.

Anytime one makes a reference to "you" and immediately follows it with a derogatory term that is, in my opinion, a personal attack and contrary to the Rules of the Road.  If one cannot participate in a discussion without taking that route then one should stay out of the discussion.

Thank you.  We now will return you to your normal divisive programming.

[Varmintmist]

I don’t totally understand what the deal is, why are people so afraid of Trump?  Now this is from my observations in life, I found people attack others for many reasons, some basic is because they are different, or appear weak and defective, that is why living beings, bully. Bulling is a primal function, in the attempt, and the process of toughing these beings for preparation of life.
 Another reason of attacking others is because one feels, and are threatened, or fear of an individual. The way I see it is there are a bunch of people that are scared that if Trump gets in, the party and perks are over.  He may not be the most diplomatic person for the job, but I think may be, the US ass kissing the world may be over, MAYBE!!  I have never seen a reaction like this in my life time, and don’t recall ever reading anything like it, maybe it is more common then I know. Keep in mind, the real people on the most part on the front lines are generally not the architects of the protests, the people in the view are the pawns, and the architects are standing in the shadows, supposedly for the greater good. Like I said, there seems to be a bunch of scare people out there, if it was about individual issues, and then people wouldn’t be acting like a bunch sheep. 

I dont care for him because he has been on every side of every conservative issue, sometimes within hours. He has been for gun control, for taking peoples property and giving it to other private parties, pro abortion, pro tax hike, pro Democrat Hillary supporter (like 18 months ago was calling her the best...) Democrat/Republican/Reform/Democrat/Republican ect ect ect.

IF the current version (R) and platform is what will be with us then he could be OK. I dont trust him as far as I could throw him though. The ONLY reason to vote for him as a actual conservative, is his pick for SCOTUS.

As to the other, her history is pretty well known.

[mike72903]

As varmintmist points out he has no political credentials conservative or liberal.  He's simply pandering to his audience at the moment.  You don't know WHAT he's likely to do in office, nor does he. He has no detailed plans except what his mouth says at the moment.  Let the debates begin. We have the choices we have and I'm not going to vote for an inexperienced braggadocious blow hard.  He's simply trying to satisfy such an unquenchable ego it borders on mental illness.

[Willow]

As varmintmist points out he has no political credentials conservative or liberal.  He's simply pandering to his audience at the moment.  You don't know WHAT he's likely to do in office, nor does he. He has no detailed plans except what his mouth says at the moment.  Let the debates begin. We have the choices we have and I'm not going to vote for an inexperienced braggadocious blow hard.  He's simply trying to satisfy such an unquenchable ego it borders on mental illness.

Just so we can understand where we each stand I won't be voting for Mr. Trump either.  I will be actively voting against Hillary Clinton.  One could say he will simply stay home given the options.  My personal opinion is that with the momentum of the Democratic Party juggernaut that staying home would be a passive vote for Clinton.

You do seem to have more insight than I into what Mr. trump does or does not think and what he will or will not do.  You must have had a personal conversation with him during which he revealed those to you.     Whatever he will or will not live up to I believe he could not do anything to the nation as damaging as what Hillary Clinton would do.

One thing is comforting. His choice for Vice President indicates we will not be bad off at all if he is unable to complete his term as opposed to how we've been with Mr. Obama. 

[Valker]

As varmintmist points out he has no political credentials conservative or liberal.  He's simply pandering to his audience at the moment.  You don't know WHAT he's likely to do in office, nor does he. He has no detailed plans except what his mouth says at the moment.  Let the debates begin. We have the choices we have and I'm not going to vote for an inexperienced braggadocious blow hard.  He's simply trying to satisfy such an unquenchable ego it borders on mental illness.

Every single candidate for that office is an egomaniac, or they wouldn't want it. I positively know what a Clinton Presidency will do to this country. A Trump Presidency is an unknown. I'll take an unknown over a destructive every time.

[Jess from VA]

As varmintmist points out he has no political credentials conservative or liberal.  He's simply pandering to his audience at the moment.  You don't know WHAT he's likely to do in office, nor does he. He has no detailed plans except what his mouth says at the moment.  Let the debates begin. We have the choices we have and I'm not going to vote for an inexperienced braggadocious blow hard.  He's simply trying to satisfy such an unquenchable ego it borders on mental illness.

Every single candidate for that office is an egomaniac, or they wouldn't want it. I positively know what a Clinton Presidency will do to this country. A Trump Presidency is an unknown. I'll take an unknown over a destructive every time.

 

How anyone who loves this country could vote for her is a complete and total mystery. 

And staying home, is a vote for her.

[The emperor has no clothes]

As varmintmist points out he has no political credentials conservative or liberal.  He's simply pandering to his audience at the moment.  You don't know WHAT he's likely to do in office, nor does he. He has no detailed plans except what his mouth says at the moment.  Let the debates begin. We have the choices we have and I'm not going to vote for an inexperienced braggadocious blow hard.  He's simply trying to satisfy such an unquenchable ego it borders on mental illness.

Every single candidate for that office is an egomaniac, or they wouldn't want it. I positively know what a Clinton Presidency will do to this country. A Trump Presidency is an unknown. I'll take an unknown over a destructive every time.

 

How anyone who loves this country could vote for her is a complete and total mystery. 

And staying home, is a vote for her.

Maybe this country is hopelessly divided. I can't for the live of me understand how any patriotic person who loves this country could vote for Trump. I do understand the idea of voting against Clinton, I get it. But how anybody thinks this guy is going to be good for our country just baffles me. Which makes me sad, because that implies we are going to be divided for the foreseeable future. 

[Robert]

 Which makes me sad, because that implies we are going to be divided for the foreseeable future.  

So it didn't bother you for the last 8 years but now your sad?  ???

[The emperor has no clothes]

 Which makes me sad, because that implies we are going to be divided for the foreseeable future.  

So it didn't bother you for the last 8 years but now your sad?  ???

It has bothered me that we are divided. I was referring to our future, there is not much we can do about the past.

[Gavin_Sons]

As varmintmist points out he has no political credentials conservative or liberal.  He's simply pandering to his audience at the moment.  You don't know WHAT he's likely to do in office, nor does he. He has no detailed plans except what his mouth says at the moment.  Let the debates begin. We have the choices we have and I'm not going to vote for an inexperienced braggadocious blow hard.  He's simply trying to satisfy such an unquenchable ego it borders on mental illness.

If you can read minds like that why aren't you running for president? Oh yeah, just your loose lips smackimg agaimst each other again   my bad actually thought you knew something the rest of us don't.  I was badly mistaken.  

[Serk]

Maybe this country is hopelessly divided. I can't for the live of me understand how any patriotic person who loves this country could vote for Trump. I do understand the idea of voting against Clinton, I get it. But how anybody thinks this guy is going to be good for our country just baffles me. Which makes me sad, because that implies we are going to be divided for the foreseeable future. 

I don't think Trump is better.

I think he's slightly less evil.


Right now we as a people are driving towards the edge of a cliff.

Hillary wants to stomp on the accelerator.

Trump wants to ever so lightly let his foot off the accelerator.

Both options end with us going over the edge of that cliff, but one buys us a little more time to try to get things turned around before it's too late.

Really, arguing politics in this country at this time feels a lot like two drunks arguing over the bar tab on The Titanic.

[The emperor has no clothes]

As varmintmist points out he has no political credentials conservative or liberal.  He's simply pandering to his audience at the moment.  You don't know WHAT he's likely to do in office, nor does he. He has no detailed plans except what his mouth says at the moment.  Let the debates begin. We have the choices we have and I'm not going to vote for an inexperienced braggadocious blow hard.  He's simply trying to satisfy such an unquenchable ego it borders on mental illness.

If you can read minds like that why aren't you running for president? Oh yeah, just your loose lips smackimg agaimst each other again   my bad actually thought you knew something the rest of us don't.  I was badly mistaken.  

Another insightful post. ( it is your bad)

[The emperor has no clothes]

Maybe this country is hopelessly divided. I can't for the live of me understand how any patriotic person who loves this country could vote for Trump. I do understand the idea of voting against Clinton, I get it. But how anybody thinks this guy is going to be good for our country just baffles me. Which makes me sad, because that implies we are going to be divided for the foreseeable future. 

I don't think Trump is better.

I think he's slightly less evil.


Right now we as a people are driving towards the edge of a cliff.

Hillary wants to stomp on the accelerator.

Trump wants to ever so lightly let his foot off the accelerator.

Both options end with us going over the edge of that cliff, but one buys us a little more time to try to get things turned around before it's too late.

Really, arguing politics in this country at this time feels a lot like two drunks arguing over the bar tab on The Titanic.

Maybe you are right. I would hope with as many smart, patriotic, civic minded people as we have in this country that we could figure out a way to steer the car away from the cliff.

[Karen]

As varmintmist points out he has no political credentials conservative or liberal.  He's simply pandering to his audience at the moment.  You don't know WHAT he's likely to do in office, nor does he. He has no detailed plans except what his mouth says at the moment.  Let the debates begin. We have the choices we have and I'm not going to vote for an inexperienced braggadocious blow hard.  He's simply trying to satisfy such an unquenchable ego it borders on mental illness.

I believe we are in this pickle because so many people did exactly that... twice...

[Gavin_Sons]

As varmintmist points out he has no political credentials conservative or liberal.  He's simply pandering to his audience at the moment.  You don't know WHAT he's likely to do in office, nor does he. He has no detailed plans except what his mouth says at the moment.  Let the debates begin. We have the choices we have and I'm not going to vote for an inexperienced braggadocious blow hard.  He's simply trying to satisfy such an unquenchable ego it borders on mental illness.

If you can read minds like that why aren't you running for president? Oh yeah, just your loose lips smackimg agaimst each other again   my bad actually thought you knew something the rest of us don't.  I was badly mistaken.  

Another insightful post. ( it is your bad)

 

[Valkorado]

As varmintmist points out he has no political credentials conservative or liberal.  He's simply pandering to his audience at the moment.  You don't know WHAT he's likely to do in office, nor does he. He has no detailed plans except what his mouth says at the moment.  Let the debates begin. We have the choices we have and I'm not going to vote for an inexperienced braggadocious blow hard.  He's simply trying to satisfy such an unquenchable ego it borders on mental illness.

I believe we are in this pickle because so many people did exactly that... twice...

He was a full-blown community organizer.  That there is impressive! (/sarcasm font)

[Varmintmist]

Just so its clear,

Voting for the Donald may be like biting a sandwich that has been sitting on the counter for who knows how long made of mystery meat, but going the other way is pulling a ebola burger out of a red hazmat baggie and chowing down.

One might be bad and might make you sick, but the other has killed before and hasnt changed.

For conservatives, it is again, the lesser of two evils, exactly like it was designed to be. If Cruz had got it, moderate R's would have to grow spine and bite the bullet. If The Dems were to feel the Bern, then the limo libs would suck it up and pull the lever. Bernie is a commie, but he is a honest commie.

One thing Trump has going for him is he is a populist. There are Dems who just cant vote for another Clinton admin because the corruption is even to much for them to stomach. Our union pres. for one.  IF he can act like he HAS to be able to in a board room, he will pull some of the people who he alienated with his BS, IF they can bring themselves to listen again. If those dont happen, its Pres Hillary.

[art]

Dreamaker

What are people afraid of?

I am afraid the list is as long as........................

If you are getting a benefit perhaps then scared of losing the benefit

If you came here W.O.P. (without papers) maybe you are scared that you or a family member(s) will have to leave

If you are a woman maybe scared that abortion will no longer be a choice

If you are a socialist maybe scared that you will be outed

If you have an unconventional marriage perhaps you are scared that you will somehow lose the status of being married

There are tons of knee jerk reasons why the donkey party can foster fear

Then there is always the fact that Mr T engages the mouth before fully engaging the brain on occasion

And yes I am FOR the nominee of the elephant party

and yes I am concerned *

Oss

* not scared yet, if they come for my Valkyrie then I will be scared

  Just to add a little humor to this post. I got a good chuckle out of you calling Trump Mr "T" . That's good.

[Pappy!]

As varmintmist points out he has no political credentials conservative or liberal.  He's simply pandering to his audience at the moment.  You don't know WHAT he's likely to do in office, nor does he. He has no detailed plans except what his mouth says at the moment.  Let the debates begin. We have the choices we have and I'm not going to vote for an inexperienced braggadocious blow hard.  He's simply trying to satisfy such an unquenchable ego it borders on mental illness.

Ahh so you would rather vote, knowingly, for the most corrupt candidate ever to run for the highest position in the land? A 3rd Obama term on top of that.

Actually, his lack of direct experience in the political arena is refreshing. Knowing how adept and competent he is and has been in the business world, for me, translates into less Gov. control, less taxes, less intervention, jobs and manufacturing returning home and so on.

[mike72903]

Power was out or would have posted sooner.  I know you were all waiting with bated breath.  Haven't read any of the replays since the internet went down, but youse guys relax, we will have another chance.    It's been fun but I'm done with this post but fell free to have the last word.

Okay, one thing at a time.
first I take exception that my beliefs and informed decisions are just my lips smacking together.  Your ideas and beliefs are polar to mine but I won't personally insult you because of it.

Willow, yes I finally figured out what you were trying to say.  You're not voting for trump for president your voting against Clinton by voting for trump. Had me confused there for a bit.  And yes I know where you stand, no need to explain.  Like we agreed earlier, we wish Biden or another choice had run.  So like you, while I'm not thrilled to vote for Hillary, consider my vote as actively running against trump.  

As for running for president myself. Well because in no way am I qualified to handle the job and deal with a dangerous world and opposing leaders who know and understand often viscous international politics fraught with potentially dire consequences. job is way over my head. My former job required reasoning and logic not politics, critical and dangerous decisions or leadership. I'm timid, just a simple peon.  However, I might ask the same of you as you are the ones so fearful for the future and believe society has so much to loose.  Get off your ass and do something more than prognosticating eminent doom.  The founders of this country had the balls to "pledge their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor" to affect change.  What are you doing except listening to right wing propaganda and bitching online about it?

My conversation with mr trump was canceled at the last minute and sadly never took place.  But we swore to one another to exchange Christmas cards.  I don't expect him to honor his commitment. By now I've forgotten what the point of the post was. Something about reading minds?  If so, I don't need to because mr trump has shown what he is by his past actions and total lack of comprehension of facts.  Not to mention his history of bullying, stiffing his workers and contractors, not following up on pledges, racism, megalomania, corruption, exporting jobs, importing foreign workers and paying them less then minimum wage, 3 trophy wives 2 of which he has discarded, clear contempt for women, multiple un honorable bankruptcies where he stiffed his creditors but managed to maintain his personal wealth, and, well you get the point.  Not sure how I can be accused of reading minds since its most of you that have a disastrous future so clearly mapped out.  

A sseven second good night. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gBzJGckMYO4

[Valkorado]

However, I might ask the same of you as you are the ones so fearful for the future and believe society has so much to loose.  Get off your ass and do something more than prognosticating eminent doom.  The founders of this country had the balls to "pledge their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor" to affect change.  What are you doing except listening to right wing propaganda and bitching online about it?

Kinda sounds like you're encouraging armed revolution.  I think most of us will vote before considering such extremes, but thanks for recognizing our need for the 2nd.

[SpidyJ]

Trump is a crook and unknown as a to his capabilities as a world leader............Hillary is an unconvicted criminal.........scares me much more regarding our freedoms and representation of the people.

[dreamaker]

Interesting you said Trump is a crook, people don’t get wealthy by being a nice guy. How many of our Prez were wealthy, but Trumps may hustles money, but Hillary hustles lives the way I see it.  You spoke of him not having leadership, if our past and present, Prez had leadership our country wouldn’t be in the chitter. People have to stop!  And start paying attention to the history and learn from it, and not wake up with a new mind every morning.  The math is simple; just have to start using it!

[Valker]

I've seen people make comments about Trump's never serving any elected position being unacceptable. Eisenhower's first elected office was President. He seemed to do well.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I've seen people make comments about Trump's never serving any elected position being unacceptable. Eisenhower's first elected office was President. He seemed to do well.

I have no problem with him not being elected before. But to compare a guy who avoided military service because his Dad had some pull to a guy like Eisenhower who served his country nearly his entire life is more than a stretch. 

[dreamaker]

Thinking about it, does it matter who gets elected, we are screwed either way!!! I would think getting ones life in order and getting some backup for the future.  Like the Boy Scouts say "Be Prepared"

[MP]

I've seen people make comments about Trump's never serving any elected position being unacceptable. Eisenhower's first elected office was President. He seemed to do well.

I have no problem with him not being elected before. But to compare a guy who avoided military service because his Dad had some pull to a guy like Eisenhower who served his country nearly his entire life is more than a stretch. 

Since the original goes back to not having elected office, and since Eisenhower is the only one who somewhat recently fits that bill, who else do you think would be a better comparison to?

What per cent of the population Donald's age served in the military?  I do not know, but it would be way under 50%.  Does that then make then ineligible  to be President?  What about Obama and the Clintons?  Both of them? None of them served.