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I did not write this, but I agree with it and wanted to share it.
An old colleague and I were having breakfast this morning when he looked up at the news (I can’t remember which network …MSNBC, I think) and noticed a split screen of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. He lamented long about how terrible both candidates are in this election and I guess we just have to choose the lesser of the two evils or, as he put it, “…put on a blindfold and just pick. It doesn’t really make any difference.”
And that’s when I went off.
I am really sick and tired of people saying both candidates are equally horrible choices, how much America thoroughly hates both of them to the core, that there’s not a single positive trait in either one of them and wow, if only we had voted for that guy behind the deli counter or the neighbor’s cat, America would be WAY better off.
snuggle you. snuggle the deli guy and snuggle your neighbor’s cat.
There are only 2 candidates who stand any mathematical chance of prevailing in this year’s election and one of them is, in fact, eminently qualified to become the 45th President of the United States, perhaps more so than any of the other 44 previous office holders. She (that’s right…SHE) has been dedicated to public service in one capacity or another since 1971. Her accomplishments are tremendous. To name a few (edited from the list once provided by Daily Kos for space):
First ever student commencement speaker at Wellesley College. Distinguished graduate of Yale Law School. Editorial board of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action. Co-founded Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families. Former civil litigation attorney. Staff attorney for Children’s Defense Fund. Faculty member in the School of Law at the University of Arkansas, Fayetteville. Former Director of the Arkansas Legal Aid Clinic. First female chair of the Legal Services Corporation. First female partner at Rose Law Firm, the oldest and one of the largest law firms in Arkansas. Twice named by The National Law Journal as one of the 100 Most Influential Lawyers in America. Former First Lady of Arkansas. Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983. Chair of the American Bar Association’s Commission on Women in the Profession. Created Arkansas’s Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth. Instrumental in passage of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. First Lady of the United States. Promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses. Successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health. Worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War (now recognized as Gulf War Syndrome). Helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice. Initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act. First FLOTUS in US History to hold a postgraduate degree. Helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries. Two-term New York Senator and the first ex-FLOTUS in US History to be elected to the United States Senate. Served on five Senate committees: Budget (2001–2002), Armed Services (2003–2009), Environment and Public Works (2001–2009), Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (2001–2009) and the Special Committee on Aging. Member of the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe. Leading role in investigating the health issues faced by 9/11 first responders. Worked with Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York on securing $21.4 billion in funding for the World Trade Center redevelopment. Former United States Secretary of State. Brokered a ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas in 2012. Go ahead and try to show what the other candidate has done in the public interest during his whole worthless life.
Go on.
Try.
You can’t and why?
The other candidate who is supposedly “equally bad” is a real estate developer and television personality who was born into a family whose wealth has been estimated to exceed $300 million and makes racism, sexism, misogyny, nihilism and ultra-nationalism the pillars of his candidacy. So far he has called for:
Building a wall across the southern border that Mexico is supposedly going to pay for. The deportation, by force if necessary, of 11 million undocumented immigrants (and stop saying “illegal”, you jackass). Banning and deporting all members of a religious faith that total over 1 billion adherents worldwide, even if they are American citizens, because “everybody knows” they’re just a bunch of murdering terrorists. Lists among his associates known white supremacists and eugenicists. Speaks admiringly of ruthless foreign despots and encourages espionage against the United States by hostile governments. Ruminates about not defending our NATO allies against Russian invasion. States openly and freely that using nuclear weapons should always be an option simply to make him more “unpredictable”. That’s not a strategy. That’s insanity. Did I mention his blithe refusal to offer concrete policy proposals on how any of this neo-Nazi wish list could possibly be achieved? And all the while still finding the time to be rude, nasty, loud, mean, cruel, hateful and boorish.
And it’s still August.
But they’re supposedly “equally awful” and “everybody hates them both”. Yes, you can’t vote for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump because, you know…emails. And Benghazi. And Foundations. And Wall Street. And secret assassinations. And pantsuits. And, and, and.
OK, listen up. Nobody cares about emails that show Bono wanted State Department assistance to stream his music from the International Space Station. You should thank Almighty God and Jedi Jebus he failed. So far all we have seen is a public official in extraordinary circumstances who should have known better demonstrate “extreme carelessness” to which I believe she has owned up to sufficiently and which, by the way, no wrongdoing was ever uncovered even after a year-long investigation by the FBI for the love of God. We all know that trustworthiness is important in a President. But if absolutely no slack is given at all, and I mean none, if this is how we treat people who make public service their life and profession, then you will always get “crooks” as politicians because who in their right mind would want the job? It’s like being a firefighter. When there’s a fire everybody runs out. You run in. It’s a maniac’s job but it has to be done so let’s have the best do it and not get wrapped up in what amounts to paperwork. That’s all this really is. Paperwork. You would rather stay at home or vote for someone George Orwell or Edgar Allan Poe couldn’t have dreamed up over emails? Then you’re even dumber than you look.
Furthermore, I want to know why everyone has their knickers in a twist over the tragic deaths of 4 State Department personnel in Benghazi in 2012 when nobody raised a peep about, count ‘em, 241 armed and ready US servicemen who were blown to bits by a suicide bomber in Beirut in 1983? Well? WHY NOT? We all know why but I won’t denigrate the deaths of brave people serving their country in the diplomatic corps and the military while performing what is often a filthy and difficult job. But other people love to bring it up as often as possible as a political weapon. They want you to believe she is some kind of cold and diabolical monster without any concern for the lives of people who often must work in really dangerous places in the name of peace and diplomacy. That is also a load of steaming horseshit and if you spread it around then you ought to be ashamed to show your face in public. So please stop. Now.
I know, I know. Damn it all! Wouldn’t it be nice if we could just forget all of that pesky accomplishment stuff of hers and remember that what really matters is the thrill of waiting for indictments which makes for great television? That way we could finally “lock her up” and enough with these stupid women who think they can run a country. Well, enough out of YOU, you moron. This isn’t the lesser of two evils. This is a choice between one great and qualified candidate for the nation’s highest office who you really should be excited about and a dolt with a bad toupee who if you were honest with yourself you wouldn’t trust to manage a Dairy Queen much less the Oval Office.
And by the way, don’t give me any of your crap about Bernie, Martin, Ted, John, Marco, Jeb, Chris, Rand, Carly, Ben, Lindsey or any of the others because they aren’t running anymore. And I certainly don’t want to hear some fantastic load of tripe about Gary or Jill because they can’t win either and that’s simply the way it is. Deal with it. Those two are just like all of the other hundreds of people legitimately on the ballot to become President in November who are never going to get within spitting distance of the White House. Ever heard of Rod Silva? Me neither, but he’s running for President on the Nutrition Party ticket. Don’t believe me? Look him up. Here’s the bottom line: only two people can win and it’s not going to be anyone on this Rogue’s Gallery of wannabes…or the guy behind the deli counter or your neighbor’s cat so wake up.
We have a great opportunity here, people. We also have the potential for real catastrophe and that’s not being hyperbolic. You know damn good and well which is which.
Don’t be stupid.
Thank you.
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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2016, 09:48:21 PM » |
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When all that koolaide you have been drinking turns to acid in your stomach, let me know. Maybe if the deli guy is John Gotti, then the comparison is apt. Please consider charactor as part of the job requirement for President, and here is some background on Ms. Clinton. http://www.westernjournalism.com/hillary-clinton-fired-for-lies-unethical-behavior
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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2016, 11:17:56 PM » |
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Damm that's a long post
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« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2016, 11:30:30 PM » |
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That's the best post in comparison I've read yet.
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2016, 02:37:29 AM » |
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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2016, 02:45:37 AM » |
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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2016, 03:44:20 AM » |
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its not even 7am yet and I can't believe I read through that whole thing, I thought it was suppose to be a funny joke and I was waiting to get to the punch line.
I guess the joke is on me, for having wasted the time to read it.
Do you actually believe that crap?
Who cares about Benghazi?!
They are not undocumented, the correct term is illegal.
and that's all the time i'm putting into this crap.
as YOUR post says;
"Don't be stupid" well I'm not and I won't be come election day.
I'm smart enough not to vote for a Clinton and it will be for Trump.
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2016, 03:59:01 AM » |
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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2016, 05:14:50 AM » |
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The title says it all. The moron who wrote this made his case.
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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2016, 05:32:00 AM » |
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This election is not about the past of either of the candidates. The way I see it, it is about the candidates vision of the future. Trump seems to legitimately care about the future of this country, and Clinton has shown that she puts her personal wealth first...
Makes my choice very easy.
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« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2016, 06:16:37 AM » |
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The post should have been deleted as it refers to a group to which many of our members belong as morons. I did not delete it because I want to be extra careful not to give some an excuse to claim that I only delete posts from one side of the ignorant and abusive political rhetoric. I read through the entire ridiculous tirade. "More eminently qualified than any of the previous 44 office holders"? Wow! That should set the tone for the reasonableness of what is being spewed. How well off would we be today if only the Continentals had had Hillary Clinton instead of George Washington? I will bother to respond to one small question. I did not write this, but I agree with it and wanted to share it. ... Furthermore, I want to know why everyone has their knickers in a twist over the tragic deaths of 4 State Department personnel in Benghazi in 2012 when nobody raised a peep about, count ‘em, 241 armed and ready US servicemen who were blown to bits by a suicide bomber in Beirut in 1983? Well? WHY NOT? ... Because the 241 Marines killed at Beirut were an armed miltary unit. Incidentally, the U.S. forces reacted immediately when the event occurred. The diplomats at Benghazi were State Department representatives of the United States of America who had repeatedly warned that they needed and requested adequate protection. No U.S. forces were dispatched even after the murderous attack began and afterword the goverment officials who did not provide adequate protection attempted to use the attack for political advantage. The thread is properly titled. It is indeed a moron's guide to voting for Hillary Clinton. I would vote for the neighbor's raped feline before casting a vote for Hillary Clinton. I'm aware of my own IQ. It is measurably above average. The originator of the posted writing indeed does show signs of being a moron.
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« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2016, 06:32:28 AM » |
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The thread is properly titled. It is indeed a moron's guide to voting for Hillary Clinton.
I would vote for the neighbor's raped feline before casting a vote for Hillary Clinton. I'm aware of my own IQ. It is measurably above average. The originator of the posted writing indeed does show signs of being a moron.
I was about to bypass this and not comment (trying to not bump political threads ya know) but, this response required me to comment. Carl, you now owe me a new key board. Spit coffee all over it!!!!
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« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2016, 06:34:15 AM » |
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This has been one crazy political race. Despite their respective qualifications or lack thereof, Trump would have easily won but for himself. I'm fascinated with the race and look forward to the books surely to come credibly explaining what actually happened. It seem that almost without fail, whenever Hillary was faced with something bad being discovered about her, Trump would do something bizarre enough to draw off the media attention to himself. Had he stayed on message using a TelePrompTer, the race would be already over with him winning by a comfortable margin. Trump is certainly smart enough to do what was required to win but I think even his strongest supporters will acknowledge that he was his own worst enemy. Why didn't he take the road to an easy victory? Hillary is probably the most beatable candidate the Democrats could have nominated yet Trump has lost to her in what is a landslide based on every credible poll in the United States. Although the popular vote margin is just over 5%, (a landslide in presidential politics), the Electoral College vote is +/- 350 to +/- 200 in Hillary's favor. Fivethirtyeight.com is widely acknowledged to be the most comprehensive and reliable poll in the country. As they acknowledge, it's never over til it is over, but they give Trump a less than 20% chance of being elected as of the present time with his numbers continuing to trend downward. See: http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromoDoes anyone else agree that Trump hasn't made his best effort in trying to win the election?
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« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2016, 06:36:53 AM » |
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I am relatively new to this forum...I have one question...how do I block certain people on this site? I prefer to not see garbage from posters who callously consider others "morons" for not agreeing with their political beliefs.
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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2016, 06:49:10 AM » |
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I am relatively new to this forum...I have one question...how do I block certain people on this site? I prefer to not see garbage from posters who callously consider others of being morons for not agreeing with their political beliefs.
1. Click on the "Profile" tab at the top of this page. 2. Under "Modify Profile" on the left select "Personal Message Options". 3. Add username(s) you wish to ignore in a list in the provided box 4. Click on the "Change Profile" button at the bottom right. Rams, I can send you the one I have probably ruined as of this posting.
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« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2016, 07:06:57 AM » |
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Most folks understand that each side has its supporters who can and will use, misuse and twist information to try and change others minds.
Most folks also understand that trying to introduce truth and logic to the "true believers" of either side is futile.
Thankfully the decision will not be made by those blind, deaf and dumb supporters on either side.
The decision will be made by those with a better balanced thought process and hopefully it will be the best of two bad choices.
Hopefully it will not be the result of ballot fraud, nor of stupid blind party followers , nor of voter ignorance. But all of those are possible, and it would not be the first time.
And the United States of America can and will survive either choice, although surviving may present a real challenge and choices we would rather not make.
As for Hillary being the worlds "smartest" and "most accomplished woman" give me break, no rational person believes that.
And as for Trump being "the devil" no rational person believes that either.
In reading many of the preceding political post in this forum I have not detected any changed minds. This diatribe will not change any either.
But feel free to post what you want as sometimes we do get an occasional laugh in at the flawed perceptions and humorous attempts to cover for your choice.
In the interest of truthfulness here is how I would rate them today.
Johnson = not a snowballs chance in hell. Hillary = only if satan were the only other choice. Trump = at least he is not Hillary or satan, although he could prove to be either.
My "thanks" to the American political system for offering me such terrible choices. May all three parties and most of the politicians rot in hell for their corruption of the American system.
As you may have sensed I and many others have had it with politics and politicians. It appears that they will push the United States into another revolution thru greed, dishonesty and stupidity.
No right thinking person would ever wish that to happen.
And no I do not blame the average American voter for any of this, but the low information voters are a contributing factor and an enabler.
This message is not pointed to anyone by name but if you self identify as being one of the groups critized you may be part of the problem - and rather than be insulted - wise up.
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« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2016, 07:24:14 AM » |
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Most folks understand that each side has its supporters who can and will use, misuse and twist information to try and change others minds.
Most folks also understand that trying to introduce truth and logic to the "true believers" of either side is futile.
Thankfully the decision will not be made by those blind, deaf and dumb supporters on either side.
The decision will be made by those with a better balanced thought process and hopefully it will be the best of two bad choices.
Hopefully it will not be the result of ballot fraud, nor of stupid blind party followers , nor of voter ignorance. But all of those are possible, and it would not be the first time.
And the United States of America can and will survive either choice, although surviving may present a real challenge and choices we would rather not make.
As for Hillary being the worlds "smartest" and "most accomplished woman" give me break, no rational person believes that.
And as for Trump being "the devil" no rational person believes that either.
In reading many of the preceding political post in this forum I have not detected any changed minds. This diatribe will not change any either.
But feel free to post what you want as sometimes we do get an occasional laugh in at the flawed perceptions and humorous attempts to cover for your choice.
In the interest of truthfulness here is how I would rate them today.
Johnson = not a snowballs chance in hell. Hillary = only if satan were the only other choice. Trump = at least he is not Hillary or satan, although he could prove to be either.
My "thanks" to the American political system for offering me such terrible choices. May all three parties and most of the politicians rot in hell for their corruption of the American system.
As you may have sensed I and many others have had it with politics and politicians. It appears that they will push the United States into another revolution thru greed, dishonesty and stupidity.
No right thinking person would ever wish that to happen.
And no I do not blame the average American voter for any of this, but the low information voters are a contributing factor and an enabler.
This message is not pointed to anyone by name but if you self identify as being one of the groups critized you may be part of the problem - and rather than be insulted - wise up.
Pete, this may be the most in agreement we have ever been. I do have a couple slight deviations though. The politicians have screwed things up royally, I will give you that. But it's not hopeless bar a revolution as you seem to feel. We the people still have the power in our system. These politicians have just been doing what we either consciously or subconsciously want them to do. We have become so divided in our little camps that we don't see the big picture of what's good for our country but only what's good for our sides. We can reign in lobbyists. We can reign in the limits of power of legislators. We can reign in big money corrupting our system. In my opinion we just have to start thinking like we are all in this together instead of how we can screw the other side. My second disagreement would be that though it's a huge long shot ther is still a chance for the Libertarians. Imagine the three of them on the debate stage. The American people might see a true patriot.
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I was hoping that their posts would not even show up on the board, but I will take what I can get I guess.
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« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2016, 07:31:00 AM » |
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Most folks understand that each side has its supporters who can and will use, misuse and twist information to try and change others minds.
Most folks also understand that trying to introduce truth and logic to the "true believers" of either side is futile.
Thankfully the decision will not be made by those blind, deaf and dumb supporters on either side.
The decision will be made by those with a better balanced thought process and hopefully it will be the best of two bad choices.
Hopefully it will not be the result of ballot fraud, nor of stupid blind party followers , nor of voter ignorance. But all of those are possible, and it would not be the first time.
And the United States of America can and will survive either choice, although surviving may present a real challenge and choices we would rather not make.
As for Hillary being the worlds "smartest" and "most accomplished woman" give me break, no rational person believes that.
And as for Trump being "the devil" no rational person believes that either.
In reading many of the preceding political post in this forum I have not detected any changed minds. This diatribe will not change any either.
But feel free to post what you want as sometimes we do get an occasional laugh in at the flawed perceptions and humorous attempts to cover for your choice.
In the interest of truthfulness here is how I would rate them today.
Johnson = not a snowballs chance in hell. Hillary = only if satan were the only other choice. Trump = at least he is not Hillary or satan, although he could prove to be either.
My "thanks" to the American political system for offering me such terrible choices. May all three parties and most of the politicians rot in hell for their corruption of the American system.
As you may have sensed I and many others have had it with politics and politicians. It appears that they will push the United States into another revolution thru greed, dishonesty and stupidity.
No right thinking person would ever wish that to happen.
And no I do not blame the average American voter for any of this, but the low information voters are a contributing factor and an enabler.
This message is not pointed to anyone by name but if you self identify as being one of the groups critized you may be part of the problem - and rather than be insulted - wise up.
Pete, this may be the most in agreement we have ever been. I do have a couple slight deviations though. The politicians have screwed things up royally, I will give you that. But it's not hopeless bar a revolution as you seem to feel. We the people still have the power in our system. These politicians have just been doing what we either consciously or subconsciously want them to do. We have become so divided in our little camps that we don't see the big picture of what's good for our country but only what's good for our sides. We can reign in lobbyists. We can reign in the limits of power of legislators. We can reign in big money corrupting our system. In my opinion we just have to start thinking like we are all in this together instead of how we can screw the other side. My second disagreement would be that though it's a huge long shot ther is still a chance for the Libertarians. Imagine the three of them on the debate stage. The American people might see a true patriot. I agree with most of the above 
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I was hoping that their posts would not even show up on the board, but I will take what I can get I guess.
It won't show the post. The members handle will still show and it will say something like you have deleted these posts. I only have one blocked but it's been good for my attitude. (No it's not you Gavin  )
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Most folks understand that each side has its supporters who can and will use, misuse and twist information to try and change others minds.
Most folks also understand that trying to introduce truth and logic to the "true believers" of either side is futile.
Thankfully the decision will not be made by those blind, deaf and dumb supporters on either side.
The decision will be made by those with a better balanced thought process and hopefully it will be the best of two bad choices.
Hopefully it will not be the result of ballot fraud, nor of stupid blind party followers , nor of voter ignorance. But all of those are possible, and it would not be the first time.
And the United States of America can and will survive either choice, although surviving may present a real challenge and choices we would rather not make.
As for Hillary being the worlds "smartest" and "most accomplished woman" give me break, no rational person believes that.
And as for Trump being "the devil" no rational person believes that either.
In reading many of the preceding political post in this forum I have not detected any changed minds. This diatribe will not change any either.
But feel free to post what you want as sometimes we do get an occasional laugh in at the flawed perceptions and humorous attempts to cover for your choice.
In the interest of truthfulness here is how I would rate them today.
Johnson = not a snowballs chance in hell. Hillary = only if satan were the only other choice. Trump = at least he is not Hillary or satan, although he could prove to be either.
My "thanks" to the American political system for offering me such terrible choices. May all three parties and most of the politicians rot in hell for their corruption of the American system.
As you may have sensed I and many others have had it with politics and politicians. It appears that they will push the United States into another revolution thru greed, dishonesty and stupidity.
No right thinking person would ever wish that to happen.
And no I do not blame the average American voter for any of this, but the low information voters are a contributing factor and an enabler.
This message is not pointed to anyone by name but if you self identify as being one of the groups critized you may be part of the problem - and rather than be insulted - wise up.
Pete, this may be the most in agreement we have ever been. I do have a couple slight deviations though. The politicians have screwed things up royally, I will give you that. But it's not hopeless bar a revolution as you seem to feel. We the people still have the power in our system. These politicians have just been doing what we either consciously or subconsciously want them to do. We have become so divided in our little camps that we don't see the big picture of what's good for our country but only what's good for our sides. We can reign in lobbyists. We can reign in the limits of power of legislators. We can reign in big money corrupting our system. In my opinion we just have to start thinking like we are all in this together instead of how we can screw the other side. My second disagreement would be that though it's a huge long shot ther is still a chance for the Libertarians. Imagine the three of them on the debate stage. The American people might see a true patriot. I agree with most of the above  Just most ? 
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« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2016, 07:40:22 AM » |
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Why respond. Thats about the most ignorant post to ever appear here.
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« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2016, 07:43:24 AM » |
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Most folks understand that each side has its supporters who can and will use, misuse and twist information to try and change others minds.
Most folks also understand that trying to introduce truth and logic to the "true believers" of either side is futile.
Thankfully the decision will not be made by those blind, deaf and dumb supporters on either side.
The decision will be made by those with a better balanced thought process and hopefully it will be the best of two bad choices.
Hopefully it will not be the result of ballot fraud, nor of stupid blind party followers , nor of voter ignorance. But all of those are possible, and it would not be the first time.
And the United States of America can and will survive either choice, although surviving may present a real challenge and choices we would rather not make.
As for Hillary being the worlds "smartest" and "most accomplished woman" give me break, no rational person believes that.
And as for Trump being "the devil" no rational person believes that either.
In reading many of the preceding political post in this forum I have not detected any changed minds. This diatribe will not change any either.
But feel free to post what you want as sometimes we do get an occasional laugh in at the flawed perceptions and humorous attempts to cover for your choice.
In the interest of truthfulness here is how I would rate them today.
Johnson = not a snowballs chance in hell. Hillary = only if satan were the only other choice. Trump = at least he is not Hillary or satan, although he could prove to be either.
My "thanks" to the American political system for offering me such terrible choices. May all three parties and most of the politicians rot in hell for their corruption of the American system.
As you may have sensed I and many others have had it with politics and politicians. It appears that they will push the United States into another revolution thru greed, dishonesty and stupidity.
No right thinking person would ever wish that to happen.
And no I do not blame the average American voter for any of this, but the low information voters are a contributing factor and an enabler.
This message is not pointed to anyone by name but if you self identify as being one of the groups critized you may be part of the problem - and rather than be insulted - wise up.
Pete, this may be the most in agreement we have ever been. I do have a couple slight deviations though. The politicians have screwed things up royally, I will give you that. But it's not hopeless bar a revolution as you seem to feel. We the people still have the power in our system. These politicians have just been doing what we either consciously or subconsciously want them to do. We have become so divided in our little camps that we don't see the big picture of what's good for our country but only what's good for our sides. We can reign in lobbyists. We can reign in the limits of power of legislators. We can reign in big money corrupting our system. In my opinion we just have to start thinking like we are all in this together instead of how we can screw the other side. My second disagreement would be that though it's a huge long shot ther is still a chance for the Libertarians. Imagine the three of them on the debate stage. The American people might see a true patriot. I agree with most of the above  Just most ?  Being 100% in agreement would be no fun now would it? 
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« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2016, 07:44:58 AM » |
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Why respond. Thats about the most ignorant post to ever appear here.
Oh, I highly doubt that.
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« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2016, 07:52:43 AM » |
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This has been one crazy political race. Despite their respective qualifications or lack thereof, Trump would have easily won but for himself. I'm fascinated with the race and look forward to the books surely to come credibly explaining what actually happened. It seem that almost without fail, whenever Hillary was faced with something bad being discovered about her, Trump would do something bizarre enough to draw off the media attention to himself. Had he stayed on message using a TelePrompTer, the race would be already over with him winning by a comfortable margin. Trump is certainly smart enough to do what was required to win but I think even his strongest supporters will acknowledge that he was his own worst enemy. Why didn't he take the road to an easy victory? Hillary is probably the most beatable candidate the Democrats could have nominated yet Trump has lost to her in what is a landslide based on every credible poll in the United States. Although the popular vote margin is just over 5%, (a landslide in presidential politics), the Electoral College vote is +/- 350 to +/- 200 in Hillary's favor. Fivethirtyeight.com is widely acknowledged to be the most comprehensive and reliable poll in the country. As they acknowledge, it's never over til it is over, but they give Trump a less than 20% chance of being elected as of the present time with his numbers continuing to trend downward. See: http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromoDoes anyone else agree that Trump hasn't made his best effort in trying to win the election? It's not just Trump shooting himself in the foot, he is also up against the most biased press/media ever assembled.
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« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2016, 07:56:26 AM » |
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Damm that's a long post
Dan
And a total crock of Bullshit. Bye Bye, DO.
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« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2016, 07:57:59 AM » |
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« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2016, 08:00:08 AM » |
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I will NOT stoop to the original posters level. I will NOT curse at the O P. While it DOE'S offend what he has collectively called us here I will attempt to temper my anger and again will not stoop to his level. But when he gits home tonight I hope his mama comes out from under the porch and bites him really hard on the ankle. RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2016, 08:03:16 AM » |
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What post? I never saw anything 
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« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2016, 08:10:06 AM » |
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... My second disagreement would be that though it's a huge long shot ther is still a chance for the Libertarians. Imagine the three of them on the debate stage. The American people might see a true patriot.
The problem with a third party candidate is the distribution of the committed vote. There are large blocks of voters on both the right and the left who will not be swayed. They will vote for their party's candidate no matter who that candidate may be. In today's world neither of those committed blocks is large enough to be a majority of itself. The election is actually decided by a small group of voters who may or may not vote in each election and who will decide based upon what they perceive during the campaigns. This group in the middle is small but they do actually decide the outcome. The group in the middle is not large enough to give a third or fourth party the victory even if they were all convinced to vote for the same candidate. The reason Donald Trump is is on the ticket is because voters during the primaries were sick and tired of the professional politicians. Specifically the Republican voters were tired of electing politicians only to see them not follow through with what they were elected to do. Perhaps some of the Democratic voters will reach that same point of disillusionment and we may see the demise of the two party system. We can only hope.
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« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2016, 08:16:55 AM » |
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Well Daddie O...I lied about having no comment...I have this to say>>> I guess if you vomit on the floor here, maybe you should clean up after yourself...although ...I guess very few will see your apologies when you are being ignored here by a large number of people who visit this forum for a bit of "motorcycle" chat.
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« Reply #31 on: August 30, 2016, 08:18:07 AM » |
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... My second disagreement would be that though it's a huge long shot ther is still a chance for the Libertarians. Imagine the three of them on the debate stage. The American people might see a true patriot.
The problem with a third party candidate is the distribution of the committed vote. There are large blocks of voters on both the right and the left who will not be swayed. They will vote for their party's candidate no matter who that candidate may be. In today's world neither of those committed blocks is large enough to be a majority of itself. The election is actually decided by a small group of voters who may or may not vote in each election and who will decide based upon what they perceive during the campaigns. This group in the middle is small but they do actually decide the outcome. The group in the middle is not large enough to give a third or fourth party the victory even if they were all convinced to vote for the same candidate. The reason Donald Trump is is on the ticket is because voters during the primaries were sick and tired of the professional politicians. Specifically the Republican voters were tired of electing politicians only to see them not follow through with what they were elected to do. Perhaps some of the Democratic voters will reach that same point of disillusionment and we may see the demise of the two party system. We can only hope. 
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« Reply #32 on: August 30, 2016, 08:40:29 AM » |
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My only reply to this is:
I buried 5 of the 241 Marines killed in Lebanon. I watched families fall apart when told that their sons were killed by a truck bomb. Only a moron would think that they are not remembered. 241 trees outside MCAS Cherry Point NC is one of those reminders.
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« Reply #33 on: August 30, 2016, 08:43:00 AM » |
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... My second disagreement would be that though it's a huge long shot ther is still a chance for the Libertarians. Imagine the three of them on the debate stage. The American people might see a true patriot.
The problem with a third party candidate is the distribution of the committed vote. There are large blocks of voters on both the right and the left who will not be swayed. They will vote for their party's candidate no matter who that candidate may be. In today's world neither of those committed blocks is large enough to be a majority of itself. The election is actually decided by a small group of voters who may or may not vote in each election and who will decide based upon what they perceive during the campaigns. This group in the middle is small but they do actually decide the outcome. The group in the middle is not large enough to give a third or fourth party the victory even if they were all convinced to vote for the same candidate. The reason Donald Trump is is on the ticket is because voters during the primaries were sick and tired of the professional politicians. Specifically the Republican voters were tired of electing politicians only to see them not follow through with what they were elected to do. Perhaps some of the Democratic voters will reach that same point of disillusionment and we may see the demise of the two party system. We can only hope. You are probably right. But I see a possibility of R's and D's peeling off if they can see for themselves someone with character.
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« Reply #34 on: August 30, 2016, 08:48:40 AM » |
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I lied...I have this to say>>> I guess if you vomit on the floor here, maybe you should clean up after yourself...although ...I guess very few will see your apologies when you are being ignored here by a large number of people who visit this forum for a bit of "motorcycle" chat.
You can discern who is being blocked by our members ? That's kind of hypocritical coming from someone who only posted in one thread about "motorcycles" and the rest being political. 
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« Reply #35 on: August 30, 2016, 08:53:30 AM » |
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Thank you, Charlie.
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« Reply #36 on: August 30, 2016, 09:10:09 AM » |
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I did not write this, but I agree with it Speaks volumes about the OP. Actually, not to be picky but... There were not 241 Marines killed on 23 October, 1983. There were 241 Americans who died in those truck bomb blasts. There were: 220 Marines, 18 sailors, and three soldiers. The soldiers were from a unit assigned at Ft. Sill, OK. I attended all three memorials. I have considered blocking a person or two but, I hold this to be very true. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Not that I consider anyone here an enemy but, I like to keep an eye on some of my "friends". 
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« Reply #37 on: August 30, 2016, 09:15:22 AM » |
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Actually, not to be picky but... There were not 241 Marines killed on 23 October, 1983. There were 241 Americans who died in those truck bomb blasts. There were: 220 Marines, 18 sailors, and three soldiers. The soldiers were from a unit assigned at Ft. Sill, OK. I attended all three memorials.
My apologies for the inaccuracy.
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« Reply #38 on: August 30, 2016, 09:19:29 AM » |
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Actually, not to be picky but... There were not 241 Marines killed on 23 October, 1983. There were 241 Americans who died in those truck bomb blasts. There were: 220 Marines, 18 sailors, and three soldiers. The soldiers were from a unit assigned at Ft. Sill, OK. I attended all three memorials.
My apologies for the inaccuracy. No apology necessary Carl. It was one of the deadliest days ever recorded for the Marine Corps and I fully understand why it is remembered the way it is. But, the loss that day cut a wide swath across this nation and I didn't want some to be forgotten. Not an easy day to forget.
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« Reply #39 on: August 30, 2016, 09:23:45 AM » |
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I am relatively new to this forum...I have one question...how do I block certain people on this site? I prefer to not see garbage from posters who callously consider others of being morons for not agreeing with their political beliefs.
1. Click on the "Profile" tab at the top of this page. 2. Under "Modify Profile" on the left select "Personal Message Options". 3. Add username(s) you wish to ignore in a list in the provided box 4. Click on the "Change Profile" button at the bottom right. Rams, I can send you the one I have probably ruined as of this posting. I finally had to break down and do this. Sometimes you just can't help but read what's been written in the hopes that it isn't the same trivial dribble as usual, but unfortunately with some, it's always the same. As Popeye so eloquently states "That's all I can stands, I can't stands no more!" 
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