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« on: September 29, 2009, 09:06:24 AM » |
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I'm buying some parts online, and need to know how to tell the seller how to tell the difference between a California model or a US version. Is their a sticker or vin notation?
Thanks
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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2009, 10:16:48 AM » |
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The cams are different and probably the carbs (jets?). Some emission parts are different. Everything else should be the same. You didn't say what parts you're buying. It's funny you relate the CA bikes to all the others that are USA bikes. CA is still in the USA as I recall. But they are different! PS: I have a '98 CA Tourer in AZ.
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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2009, 10:21:55 AM » |
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According to the Valkrie Geneology page, found in Shop Talk : http://www.rattlebars.com/rp/rpage02.htmlThe VIN should tell ya if it's a CA or other 49 state model. The VIN starts off with ' 1HF', then the next 5 digits/numbers tell ya if it's a 49 or CA bike... If it is a pre 2001, and the next 5 digits/numbers are SC341, it's a CA bike. If it's a 2001 on up, and those numbers/digits are SC347, it's a CA bike. Anything else, and ya need to look at the link, to figure it out  Black Dog |
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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2009, 01:35:45 PM » |
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The cams are different and probably the carbs (jets?). Some emission parts are different. Everything else should be the same. You didn't say what parts you're buying. It's funny you relate the CA bikes to all the others that are USA bikes. CA is still in the USA as I recall. But they are different! PS: I have a '98 CA Tourer in AZ.
The tech manual only shows different cams as u mentioned however, all carbs are the same for all yrs including jets and needles. different sizes are not called out. CA bikes have an additonal charcoal canister and hoses. everything else is the same. |
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2009, 01:41:16 PM » |
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As a related question does the US cam deliver more power than the CA cam? I wonder because quite often Canadian vehicles follow the CA rules.
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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2009, 03:10:55 PM » |
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Differences between US 49-State and California Models * Vapor canister installed on California models * California models use different cams * California models use different carburetors http://www.valkyrienorway.com/MODEL%20DIFFERENCES.html |
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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2009, 04:23:45 PM » |
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"California models use different carburetors" - incorrect, same carbs 28mm (1.1 in), just different part #s, a lot of companies do this after first yr run, just changing a part # with no change in product. I ask the part counter in '00 for the '97 needle and they said the # was superceded by the '98 needle #. I would surmise the same for the ca and '97 carbs. The only place they could be different but is not shown in the manual would be the usually non-removable bleed ports in the inlet throat of the carb body. The only way to know this is to have the carbs in question physically in hand and measure. Tech manual expoded dwgs for repair only shows one type of carb. there is nothing different btwn ca, 49 state, or '97 carbs, they are all the same. some aftermarket carbs kits will modify these bleed screws only after major dyno work. IMHO. |
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« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2009, 05:52:35 PM » |
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Manuals I have seen list different carb numbers and needle numbers for CA models as well as different numbers for later models , both CA and non CA.
The carb numbers maybe different to reflect the different needles installed.
A fair while ago I asked if people knew what ID needles they had in diffeent parts of the world.
Did not have any feed back.
I currently have a set from a 97 and a 2001 and they are different.
Cheers Blackduck
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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2009, 06:28:37 PM » |
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Manuals I have seen list different carb numbers and needle numbers for CA models as well as different numbers for later models , both CA and non CA.
The carb numbers maybe different to reflect the different needles installed.
A fair while ago I asked if people knew what ID needles they had in diffeent parts of the world.
Did not have any feed back.
I currently have a set from a 97 and a 2001 and they are different.
Cheers Blackduck
how are they different? |
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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2009, 08:32:19 PM » |
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The needles are slightly different in thickness, profile appears to be much the same.
J6KG came from a 97 and are slightly thinner than J6KB which came in my Aussie 2001.
There are listings J6KF for Switzerland.
J6KJ are the listed as taking over from J6KG after 97.
There are 4 different carbs listed for some parts of the world and 6 for the US.
Would still like to know if there are other needles from different parts of the world.
Cheers Blackduck
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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2009, 02:00:27 AM » |
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It's been awhile since I've had the tanks off my bikes, but it seems like my 03 Ca model had an extra line on each carb. I believe this has been discussed before during desmog.
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« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2009, 05:13:11 AM » |
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They sub to the same part number, because they no longer stock the older, hotter cams and carbs and needles. They make you replace them with the newer ones. However, they are different, NOT just different numbers on the same part.
Run into this all the time getting parts in my business.
MP
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« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2009, 06:27:38 AM » |
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The needles are slightly different in thickness, profile appears to be much the same.
J6KG came from a 97 and are slightly thinner than J6KB which came in my Aussie 2001.
There are listings J6KF for Switzerland.
J6KJ are the listed as taking over from J6KG after 97.
There are 4 different carbs listed for some parts of the world and 6 for the US.
Would still like to know if there are other needles from different parts of the world.
Cheers Blackduck
this thread is about the differences btwn USA models not btwn USA and overseas models. |
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Blackduck
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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2009, 06:41:11 AM » |
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Ahhh, most of what I put in there was from US manuals. The 97 needles came from a set of US carbs.
The needles from my unit are the same as listed for the US.
Differences are there, just need to figure what and where.
Cheers Blackduck
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