have you seen whats going on in the EU,be scared,very scared

[dragonslayer]

This is being brought to you by the Obumber admin.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/white-house-plans-to-accept-at-least-110000-refugees-in-2017/ar-BBw8Kdp?li=BBnb7Kz

They are taking over Europe and we are next.

[Alberta Patriot]

This is being brought to you by the Obumber admin.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/white-house-plans-to-accept-at-least-110000-refugees-in-2017/ar-BBw8Kdp?li=BBnb7Kz

They are taking over Europe and we are next.

My wife and Iare looking at options other than Canada...it is far worse here....the looney left are probably going to win the next election here again....man... when it is my time, I am going to do a Swan Dive into the pine box just to escape this politically correct crap.

[Gryphon Rider]

My wife and Iare looking at options other than Canada...it is far worse here....

What are you talking about?  Actual problems, or the fact that you see more brown faces at the mall than you have in the past?  I'm honestly not trying to pull your chain, but I'm not seeing refugee immigrants being more trouble than any other identifiable population.

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GERMANY

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/609385/Refugees-Germany-Gabrielle-Keller-Eschbach-Ulrich-Ropertz-Mario-Schlafke

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GERMANY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea7r-eYowBY

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HOLLAND

http://vidmax.com/video/145840-Bankrupting-a-Nation-Netherlands-citizens-now-facing-massive-tax-increases-to-pay-for-Welfare-FOR-MUSLIM-MIGRANTS-

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FRANCE

http://vidmax.com/video/145788-City-of-lights-has-become-the-city-of-migrants-take-a-look-at-the-new-Paris-Plagued-with-Muslim-migrants

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SWEDEN

http://vidmax.com/embedvid/145787-Even-liberals-in-Sweden-are-beginning-to-turn-against-Muslim-migrants-watch-as-leftist-MPs-link-the-rise-in-crime-to-Muslim-migrants

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SPAIN

http://vidmax.com/video/145731-200-African-migrants-to-get-trapped-on-top-of-a-border-fence-in-Spain-for-hours-after-attempting-to-break-into-the-nation

[..]

Sure they will be able to completely check each and every one.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=REFUGEES+FAKE+PASSSPORTS&t=ffab&ia=web

[Alberta Patriot]

My wife and Iare looking at options other than Canada...it is far worse here....

What are you talking about?  Actual problems, or the fact that you see more brown faces at the mall than you have in the past?  I'm honestly not trying to pull your chain, but I'm not seeing refugee immigrants being more trouble than any other identifiable population.

Ontario and the Atlantic are getting most of them right now...Justin Kardashian ain't done yet...we will see them in droves if they keep bringing them  in at the pace they are...
The biggest issue I see is that it is impossible to know how many dangerous Islamist Zealots are being brought over...Look at Paris...look at Brussels, Nice, Orlando, San Bernardino Etc...Etc...
We see what is happening in the Eurozone...it ain't pretty, and is sparking an upswing in far right populism...ONE BIG QUESTION???...Why do the Saudi's, Dubai, Kuwait, Jordan...etc...etc refuse to take these people, after all this is their problem...not ours.

[Serk]

Immigration without assimilation is not immigration, it is invasion.

--Bobby Jindal

[MarkT]

I carry TWO j-frame .357magnums and TWO sprays - a MACE and a Kimber two-shot capsacin pyrotechnic blaster and three knives (not combat knives but tools - all three Victorinox products).  Watch my back all the time.  Rarely go to the city. Practice defense scenarios.  Used to say, shoot first and let God sort em out but that was just bluster.  Very cognizant of keeping violent defense on the legal side of the incident.

[old2soon]

I have real problems with HOW they are using that word "accept". Not one swingin rick-you KNOW WHY I misspelled it-has ASKED me is this alright? They "gubmint" are ramming this down our collective throats. I MIGHT be more acceptable to this-MIGHT-if ALL the current crop at deception central moves 25 or 30 of these mooslim "refugees" into their own homes and lives with them. Give that a 5 or 6 year test run and see how it all shakes out.   RIDE SAFE. OH-and support them out of their own wealth.

[G-Man]

Immigration without assimilation is not immigration, it is invasion.

--Bobby Jindal

[Gryphon Rider]

My wife and Iare looking at options other than Canada...it is far worse here....

What are you talking about?  Actual problems, or the fact that you see more brown faces at the mall than you have in the past?  I'm honestly not trying to pull your chain, but I'm not seeing refugee immigrants being more trouble than any other identifiable population.

Ontario and the Atlantic are getting most of them right now...Justin Kardashian ain't done yet...we will see them in droves if they keep bringing in at the pace they are...
The biggest issue I see is that it is impossible to know how many dangerous Islamist Zealots are being brought over...Look at Paris...look at Brussels, Nice, Orlando, San Bernardino Etc...Etc...
We see what is happening in the Eurozone...it ain't pretty, and is sparking an upswing in far right populism...ONE BIG QUESTION???...Why do the Saudi's, Dubai, Kuwait, Jordan...etc...etc refuse to take these people, after all this is their problem...not ours.

But what is "far worse here"?  Worse than where? ...or when?  You talk about leaving Canada because it's worse here, but have no examples?  And wherever you choose to go, how do you know it isn't going to get "worse" there?

[LTD]

Well its been a good un.

[Alberta Patriot]

My wife and Iare looking at options other than Canada...it is far worse here....

What are you talking about?  Actual problems, or the fact that you see more brown faces at the mall than you have in the past?  I'm honestly not trying to pull your chain, but I'm not seeing refugee immigrants being more trouble than any other identifiable population.

Ontario and the Atlantic are getting most of them right now...Justin Kardashian ain't done yet...we will see them in droves if they keep bringing in at the pace they are...
The biggest issue I see is that it is impossible to know how many dangerous Islamist Zealots are being brought over...Look at Paris...look at Brussels, Nice, Orlando, San Bernardino Etc...Etc...
We see what is happening in the Eurozone...it ain't pretty, and is sparking an upswing in far right populism...ONE BIG QUESTION???...Why do the Saudi's, Dubai, Kuwait, Jordan...etc...etc refuse to take these people, after all this is their problem...not ours.

But what is "far worse here"?  Worse than where? ...or when?  You talk about leaving Canada because it's worse here, but have no examples?  And wherever you choose to go, how do you know it isn't going to get "worse" there?

Pardon My Raised Voice at times...This is aimed at anyone in Alberta/Canada who thinks things are great under Justin Turdo and Rachel the Communist....  If that includes you Gryphon Rider...so be it.

I am talking about the whole big picture here, not just the Muzzies...I used to see that sign across from the Livingston Mountain Range along HWY 22...you know the one..."More Alberta Less Ottawa"...well now we have a bunch of  Effing Petro Energy Hating Communists in Edmonton running Alberta into the ground.  IT WILL TAKE TWO DECADES TO PAY BACK THE DEBT those A$$holes are running up.
I put up with those Commy Bastards in B.C. Twice!!...once in the 70's and again in the 90's.
SOCIALISM..it is great until you run out of other people's money.
If the crazy government spending keeps going at the rate it is, even my grandchildren will never pay it off.
I apologize to my American Bretheren here for my Canadian Rant.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Whoa ! We've got a Canadian throw down.  It's kind of heartening to see some of our Canuck buddies can come up with their own versions of "Hildabeast" and such. Unfortunately it's kind of sad also. I am impressed by your ability to use just about every conservative slogan I've heard. 

[Jess from VA]

I apologize to my American Bretheren here for my Canadian Rant.

No apology necessary brother, we're all in this together.   

Communism (and all of it's variants) should be fought with every breath, word and deed. 

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

My wife and Iare looking at options other than Canada...it is far worse here....

What are you talking about?  Actual problems, or the fact that you see more brown faces at the mall than you have in the past?  I'm honestly not trying to pull your chain, but I'm not seeing refugee immigrants being more trouble than any other identifiable population.

Ontario and the Atlantic are getting most of them right now...Justin Kardashian ain't done yet...we will see them in droves if they keep bringing in at the pace they are...
The biggest issue I see is that it is impossible to know how many dangerous Islamist Zealots are being brought over...Look at Paris...look at Brussels, Nice, Orlando, San Bernardino Etc...Etc...
We see what is happening in the Eurozone...it ain't pretty, and is sparking an upswing in far right populism...ONE BIG QUESTION???...Why do the Saudi's, Dubai, Kuwait, Jordan...etc...etc refuse to take these people, after all this is their problem...not ours.

But what is "far worse here"?  Worse than where? ...or when?  You talk about leaving Canada because it's worse here, but have no examples?  And wherever you choose to go, how do you know it isn't going to get "worse" there?

Pardon My Raised Voice at times...This is aimed at anyone in Alberta/Canada who thinks things are great under Justin Turdo and Rachel the Communist....  If that includes you Gryphon Rider...so be it.

I am talking about the whole big picture here, not just the Muzzies...I used to see that sign across from the Livingston Mountain Range along HWY 22...you know the one..."More Alberta Less Ottawa"...well now we have a bunch of  Effing Petro Energy Hating Communists in Edmonton running Alberta into the ground.  IT WILL TAKE TWO DECADES TO PAY BACK THE DEBT those A$$holes are running up.
I put up with those Commy Bastards in B.C. Twice!!...once in the 70's and again in the 90's.
SOCIALISM..it is great until you run out of other people's money.
If the crazy government spending keeps going at the rate it is, even my grandchildren will never pay it off.
I apologize to my American Bretheren here for my Canadian Rant.

If the good guys win here in November then consider moving South. If they don't then our Constitution becomes a joke and chances are the whole world will follow us into darkness anyway.

[Alberta Patriot]

If the good guys win here in November then consider moving South. If they don't then our Constitution becomes a joke and chances are the whole world will follow us into darkness anyway.
[/quote]

Thanks...I do ride South a lot...Idaho and Montana mostly...I really do hope November 8th is a positive day in America...
My wife and I both have family spread throughout the US...mostly my wife, as her dad was born in Washington State.
Family reunions are a chance to see a lot of great people from all corners of Canada and the USA.
We just did a ride in the Creston B.C. area and met up with a very nice couple from Helena Mt.  The fellow owns a Harley maintenance and repair shop there.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

If the good guys win here in November then consider moving South. If they don't then our Constitution becomes a joke and chances are the whole world will follow us into darkness anyway.

Thanks...I do ride South a lot...Idaho and Montana mostly...I really do hope November 8th is a positive day in America...
My wife and I both have family spread throughout the US...mostly my wife, as her dad was born in Washington State.
Family reunions are a chance to see a lot of great people from all corners of Canada and the USA.
We just did a ride in the Creston B.C. area and met up with a very nice couple from Helena Mt.  The fellow owns a Harley maintenance and repair shop there.

You've already seen parts of the US I've yet to see. Happy riding my friend. And thanks for the good wishes.  

[F-six]

HOLLAND

http://vidmax.com/video/145840-Bankrupting-a-Nation-Netherlands-citizens-now-facing-massive-tax-increases-to-pay-for-Welfare-FOR-MUSLIM-MIGRANTS-

I'm from Holland and this is a lie. Actually we had lower taxes last year and predictions are we gonna have lower taxes next year too. You can have an opinion about my country, as I have an opinion about other countries, but please, stop talking about my country if you don't know what you are talking about.

[F-six]

And just for your information, right now in Holland we are closing one third of all our centra for asylum seekers because less people coming form Syrie seeking shelter than last year. Expectations are there will be more centers closed at the end of the year.
And the last two weeks I rode through Europe, passing the borders of Germany, Austria and Italy and there was no border control. Sure, we do have problems, but there is much less of a problem here than the 'unbiased media' would like you to believe.   

[Alberta Patriot]

HOLLAND

http://vidmax.com/video/145840-Bankrupting-a-Nation-Netherlands-citizens-now-facing-massive-tax-increases-to-pay-for-Welfare-FOR-MUSLIM-MIGRANTS-

I'm from Holland and this is a lie. Actually we had lower taxes last year and predictions are we gonna have lower taxes next year too. You can have an opinion about my country, as I have an opinion about other countries, but please, stop talking about my country if you don't know what you are talking about.

I did a little math...just the federal tax rates...figures are approximate but very close on the equivalent of $65,000.

Netherlands...$33.800
USA..............$12,800
Keep in mind that Holland has a much more dense population, so infrastructure costs should be lower per capita.

[The emperor has no clothes]

HOLLAND

http://vidmax.com/video/145840-Bankrupting-a-Nation-Netherlands-citizens-now-facing-massive-tax-increases-to-pay-for-Welfare-FOR-MUSLIM-MIGRANTS-

I'm from Holland and this is a lie. Actually we had lower taxes last year and predictions are we gonna have lower taxes next year too. You can have an opinion about my country, as I have an opinion about other countries, but please, stop talking about my country if you don't know what you are talking about.

I did a little math...just the federal tax rates...figures are approximate but very close on the equivalent of $65,000.

Netherlands...$33.800
USA..............$12,800
Keep in mind that Holland has a much more dense population, so infrastructure costs should be lower per capita.

You do know there are many other taxes in the mix. State, county, city, property, Medicare, S.S. etc. Then you have the all the healthcare and other issues. Not even close to apples & oranges. More like grapes & bananas. 

[F-six]

HOLLAND

http://vidmax.com/video/145840-Bankrupting-a-Nation-Netherlands-citizens-now-facing-massive-tax-increases-to-pay-for-Welfare-FOR-MUSLIM-MIGRANTS-

I'm from Holland and this is a lie. Actually we had lower taxes last year and predictions are we gonna have lower taxes next year too. You can have an opinion about my country, as I have an opinion about other countries, but please, stop talking about my country if you don't know what you are talking about.

I did a little math...just the federal tax rates...figures are approximate but very close on the equivalent of $65,000.

Netherlands...$33.800
USA..............$12,800
Keep in mind that Holland has a much more dense population, so infrastructure costs should be lower per capita.

Thank you for enlightening me on our taxes. Don't know what kind of math you are using, but sure as hell I will never hire you to do my tax returns.

But besides that, you are missing the point. The link said that in Holland we would face massive tax increase to pay for welfare muslim immigrants. We don't. It's a lie. We paid lower taxes this year and we gonna pay even lower taxes next year. The costs of sheltering refugees have no effect on our taxes. Stop spreading lies about my country.
 

[czuch]

The "unbiased media" will stir the pot till WWIII. As long as nobody makes eye contact, and dont have intelligent, boots on the ground, conversation, they'll win.
They don't realize they will also lose, but nobody figures on that angle.
 Iwo Jima was supposed to be a 2 week battle.
Just the facts, when dealing with National pride and religion.
Oh, and get a second amendment, or protect the one you have.
.02

[Alberta Patriot]

HOLLAND

http://vidmax.com/video/145840-Bankrupting-a-Nation-Netherlands-citizens-now-facing-massive-tax-increases-to-pay-for-Welfare-FOR-MUSLIM-MIGRANTS-

I'm from Holland and this is a lie. Actually we had lower taxes last year and predictions are we gonna have lower taxes next year too. You can have an opinion about my country, as I have an opinion about other countries, but please, stop talking about my country if you don't know what you are talking about.

I did a little math...just the federal tax rates...figures are approximate but very close on the equivalent of $65,000.

Netherlands...$33.800
USA..............$12,800
Keep in mind that Holland has a much more dense population, so infrastructure costs should be lower per capita.

Thank you for enlightening me on our taxes. Don't know what kind of math you are using, but sure as hell I will never hire you to do my tax returns.

But besides that, you are missing the point. The link said that in Holland we would face massive tax increase to pay for welfare muslim immigrants. We don't. It's a lie. We paid lower taxes this year and we gonna pay even lower taxes next year. The costs of sheltering refugees have no effect on our taxes. Stop spreading lies about my country.
 

I just went to google on line and asked the question ...and these are the answers I got...I assume it is AFTER EXPENSES and allowable deductions...just like my very capable accountant would do for me...so don't shoot the messenger.
Like I said in an earlier comment...Socialism...it is great until you run out of other people's money.

[G-Man]

 The costs of sheltering refugees have no effect on our taxes.

Not arguing, or even care about taxes elsewhere.  I only have one question regarding what you stated above.

Gov't does produce items for sale to make a profit.  The only way gov't "makes" money is by taking it from the citizens in the form a taxes and fees.  When gov't spends money, it is spending tax dollars only.  So, how can the cost of sheltering, feeding, clothing, educating, and caring for thousands of refugees not eat into the taxes collected?  Unless there is a surplus of taxes that will cover the cost.  If no surplus, then taxes have to go up.  If there is a surplus that can cover that much of a hit, your gov't is overtaxing you.

Just my thoughts.

[MP]

 The costs of sheltering refugees have no effect on our taxes.

Not arguing, or even care about taxes elsewhere.  I only have one question regarding what you stated above.

Gov't does produce items for sale to make a profit.  The only way gov't "makes" money is by taking it from the citizens in the form a taxes and fees.  When gov't spends money, it is spending tax dollars only.  So, how can the cost of sheltering, feeding, clothing, educating, and caring for thousands of refugees not eat into the taxes collected?  Unless there is a surplus of taxes that will cover the cost.  If no surplus, then taxes have to go up.  If there is a surplus that can cover that much of a hit, your gov't is overtaxing you.

Just my thoughts.

So, you spend NO MONEY on the refugees?  Does not seem possible.  If so, please explain how, as we would love to do it that way!

Maybe your taxes did not go up.  Good . I really am glad.  But, money is NOT created out of thin air.  It came from SOMEWHERE.  If the gov't did not have to spend money on the refugees, then you would have had a tax CUT.  So, yes, you did pay for the refugees out of your taxes.

[Alberta Patriot]

 The costs of sheltering refugees have no effect on our taxes.

Not arguing, or even care about taxes elsewhere.  I only have one question regarding what you stated above.

Gov't does produce items for sale to make a profit.  The only way gov't "makes" money is by taking it from the citizens in the form a taxes and fees.  When gov't spends money, it is spending tax dollars only.  So, how can the cost of sheltering, feeding, clothing, educating, and caring for thousands of refugees not eat into the taxes collected?  Unless there is a surplus of taxes that will cover the cost.  If no surplus, then taxes have to go up.  If there is a surplus that can cover that much of a hit, your gov't is overtaxing you.

Just my thoughts.

I am right there with you on this...anybody who has been successful in business understands the cold hard numbers and doesn't deal in fantasy...that is Hollywood's job, they are good at fantasy even when it comes to politics.
The reason I was taking a jab at F-Six(sorry about that)Re taxes is to show that there is nothing for free in this life...all that "Free Sh!t" comes at a price....high taxes!!

[Serk]

[F-six]

Of course the state pays for the shelters for asylum seekers. But that was not the question. The question was if the costs of shelters for asylum seekers and feed them and give them clothes if necessary had any effect on taxes. It didn't.
There is a provision for this costs in our national budget. We have that for years. It is a relatively little amount on our national budget, I think around 0.2% (we spend 0.8% on aid in the third world). It proved to be sufficient for last year and will be for next year as the number of refugees are declining.

Again, as I explained extensively in another thread, in Europe we have some problems, but nothing we can't handle:
http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,89690.msg884169.html#msg884169

[Daycruiser]

Many of you are probably too young to remember the "Boat People" of the 70's and 80's.  Vietnam refugees that flooded into the US that has created the population of Vietnamese the US has now.  Very little difference from what's going on with the Syrian situation.

[Valkorado]

Many of you are probably too young to remember the "Boat People" of the 70's and 80's.  Vietnam refugees that flooded into the US that has created the population of Vietnamese the US has now.  Very little difference from what's going on with the Syrian situation.

Except the Vietnamese did not state that they would infiltrate the Boat People with terrorists who are hell bent on killing us and destroying our nation.

[..]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/711239/Report-MILLION-refugees-covert-Europe-migrants-asylum-seeker-marta-foresti-immigration

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Greece

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3792576/Turkish-coastguards-tried-drown-Fist-fights-locals-sprayed-tear-gas-Greece-refugee-arrivals-DOUBLE-1-000-one-week.html

[DK]

I frequently ride and communicate with a long standing friend who resides in and travels extensively in the EU.

He tells me the common sentiment there is sense of amazement and disappointment of the goings-on in the USofA.

Unlike the old song, because "I saw it on tv" doesn't necessarily make it true.

Many years ago, my father frequently told me to believe half of what I see and less of what I read. This was well before the profound effect of the Internet could be even imagined. I can only imagine what he would say today.

Given the advent of today's internet driven social media, anyone with a hint of literacy can find extensive documentation to support any preconceived notion in fifteen minutes. Despite such technical research skills, the ability to discern the validity and reliability of the source material is sorely lacking. For those too lazy or illiterate to do their own original research, it can be had in pre-packaged form from a seemingly unlimited number of forums, newsletters, and foundations, etc. of any imaginable political or religious persuasion.

I acknowledge exceptions to the above as demonstrated by exchanges contained in this very thread. However, as a general proposition, I sincerely believe it to be substantially correct.

About the only thing you cannot find in today's media is objective analysis of truthful facts.

Perhaps it's best that the issues be debated in the manner being done in our forum where everyone is brought together by a strong commonality of interest. The only problem I see is that a strong consensus develops for one side of the issues and thereafter anyone brave enough to express a differing opinion is met with strong ridicule and condemnation and labeled an outcast. Pretty soon, rather than an objective debate of issues, it devolves to the choir singing to the choir with most differing opinions prudently remaining unstated.

Amusing Example: (No particular point)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VnMn-ObT0r8