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 Well, so much for polls................... Obviously, Gallup is asking the same folks they polled during the election cycle.  Seriously, read the article, look at who is on it. I'd think Gallup and other pollsters would figure this out.  http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/12/29/gallup-poll-obama-most-admired-man-us/21643610/
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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2016, 05:35:07 AM » |
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I doubt if 1,028 polled out of a population of 320,000,000 is going to be real accurate.
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PRINCETON, N.J. -- Americans are most likely to name President Barack Obama as the man they admire most in 2016. Twenty-two percent mentioned Obama in response to the open-ended question. President-elect Donald Trump was second at 15%. It is Obama's ninth consecutive win, but the seven-percentage-point margin this year is his narrowest victory yet. Most Admired Man, Recent Trend What man that you have heard or read about, living today in any part of the world, do you admire most? And who is your second choice? 1. Barack Obama 2. Donald Trump 3. Pope Francis 4. Bernie Sanders 5. Rev. Billy Graham 6 Benjamin Netanyahu 6. The Dalai Lama 6. Bill Clinton 6. Bill Gates 10. Mike Pence Combined responses; Ranked according to number of responses; * Less than 0.5% Gallup The results are based on a Dec. 7-11 poll. Since 1946, Gallup has asked Americans to name the man, living anywhere in the world, whom they admire most. Incumbent presidents typically win the distinction -- in the 70 times Gallup has asked the question, the president has won 58 times. The 12 exceptions were mostly times when the sitting president was unpopular, including 2008, when Americans named President-elect Obama over President George W. Bush. Obama and Dwight Eisenhower in 1952 are the only presidents-elect to win the distinction. Eisenhower finished first 12 times, more than any other man in history. Obama is now second all-time with nine first-place finishes. Obama's win over Trump this year is largely a result of the president earning more mentions among Democrats than Trump receives from Republicans. Fifty percent of Democrats named Obama as most admired, compared with 34% of Republicans choosing Trump. The remainder of this year's top 10 most admired man list includes Pope Francis, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, the Rev. Billy Graham, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, The Dalai Lama, former President Bill Clinton, businessman and philanthropist Bill Gates, and Vice President-elect Mike Pence. This year marks the 60th time Graham has finished in the top 10 -- a Gallup record. That includes making it into the top 10 every year since 1955, with the exception of the 1962 survey and in 1976, when the question was not asked. Pence is the only newcomer among the top 10 men this year. Trump has finished in the top 10 five prior times -- in 1988, 1989, 1990, 2011 and 2015. Clinton made the top 10 for a 25th time and Gates for a 17th. Former President George W. Bush finished outside the top 10 for the first time since he was elected in 2000. Hillary Clinton Most Admired Woman a Record 21st Time Americans named Hillary Clinton the Most Admired Woman for the 15th consecutive year and 21st time overall. Since her initial win in 1993 as first lady, Clinton has topped the list every year but 1995 and 1996 (when she finished behind Mother Teresa) and 2001 (behind Laura Bush). Eleanor Roosevelt has the second-most No. 1 finishes among women, at 13. First lady Michelle Obama finished second on the Most Admired Woman list this year, tied with 2012 as her best finish. The remainder of the top 10 most admired women include German Chancellor Angela Merkel, former and current talk-show hosts Oprah Winfrey and Ellen DeGeneres, Queen Elizabeth of England, human rights activist Malala Yousafzai, former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, and former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. Most Admired Woman, Recent Trend What woman that you have heard or read about, living today in any part of the world, do you admire most? And who is your second choice? 1. Hillary Clinton 2. Michelle Obama 3. Angela Merkel 4. Oprah Winfrey 5. Ellen DeGeneres 6. Queen Elizabeth 7. Malala Yousafzai 8. Condoleezza Rice 9. Elizabeth Warren 10. Sarah Palin Combined responses; Ranked according to number of responses; * Less than 0.5% Gallup All of this year's leading women have finished in the top 10 multiple times before, led by Queen Elizabeth's record 48. Winfrey's 29th top 10 finish this year moved her ahead of Jacqueline Kennedy for the third-most-frequent appearances behind Queen Elizabeth and Margaret Thatcher (34). Clinton's 25 top 10 finishes rank fifth-best all-time. Rice has finished in the top 10 a total of 16 times, while Obama and Palin each made their ninth appearances in the top 10 this year. Clinton was the top choice among Democrats, with 26% naming her, followed by Michelle Obama at 18%. Republicans did not have a consensus choice -- 5% named Queen Elizabeth, 4% each named Clinton and DeGeneres, and 3% each named Rice and Palin. Implications: Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have been the most admired man and woman every year since 2008. Now, as both move into the post-political phase of their careers, their future status as most admired is uncertain. Given the prominence of incumbent presidents as the most admired man, Trump may be the favorite to win the distinction next year, provided he does not have low job approval ratings in December 2017. Even if Obama does not win the honor next year, his relative youth and high favorable ratings could make him a fixture in the top 10 for years. Many ex-presidents have enjoyed long runs on the most admired man list after leaving office. Clinton may have a better chance of staying most admired woman based on history. Former first ladies have won the title more than any other role -- 35 times in the 67 years the question has been asked. Most of those wins are for Roosevelt and Clinton, but Mamie Eisenhower, Kennedy and Betty Ford also won after their husband's term ended. Clinton may also be advantaged in the future because she will be in a less overt political role. Her highest favorable ratings to date came when she was first lady and secretary of state, while they fell significantly during her two presidential campaigns. Historical data are available in Gallup Analytics. Survey Methods: Results for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted Dec. 7-11, 2016, with a random sample of 1,028 adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia. For results based on the total sample of national adults, the margin of sampling error is ±4 percentage points at the 95% confidence level. All reported margins of sampling error include computed design effects for weighting. Each sample of national adults includes a minimum quota of 60% cellphone respondents and 40% landline respondents, with additional minimum quotas by time zone within region. Landline and cellular telephone numbers are selected using random-digit-dial methods. http://www.gallup.com/poll/200771/obama-bests-trump-admired-man-2016.aspx |
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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2016, 05:56:06 AM » |
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The same polls that gave Hillary a 99.999999987234% chance of winning?
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I have no reason to believe O is not the most admired man in Gallup, NM
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The Russians probably hacked into the poll.
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« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2016, 07:03:46 AM » |
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« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2016, 07:08:14 AM » |
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The real question is... What is he admired for?
Being the most successful un documented immigrant in the country
Able to break any and all laws with no consequence
Have multi-million dollar vacations several times a year that other people pay for
Be a millionaire even though he never had a real job or did anything to earn it
Ya, many people think those things are admirable.
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Was that poll taken in Detroit?
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« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2016, 07:23:02 AM » |
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Was that poll taken in Detroit?
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« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2016, 07:25:13 AM » |
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« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2016, 07:46:11 AM » |
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I agree with Alan Dershowitz. Obama will go down in history as one of the worst Presidents ever on foreign policy.
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« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2016, 07:50:42 AM » |
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I agree with Alan Dershowitz. Obama will go down in history as one of the worst Presidents ever on foreign policy.
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I agree with Alan Dershowitz. Obama will go down in history as one of the worst Presidents ever on foreign policy.
Maybe. Personally I think history will look pretty kind on him. If history looks kindly on him, it will be racist |
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« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2016, 08:44:06 AM » |
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I doubt if 1,028 polled out of a population of 320,000,000 is going to be real accurate.
Believe you're right on that. The figure of 1028 amounts to .00032125% of the assumed population of 320mil. I always like to start my day with some humor, that article filled the bill.....and was followed by Hillary being the most admired woman. Both of them???? Seriously??? |
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« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2016, 08:51:51 AM » |
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well, one thing is for certain,,. we are way more racist and divided now than we were 8 years ago.
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« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2016, 08:54:16 AM » |
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More like the most despised man in all of US history. (I use man loosely here)
They give Nobel Peace prizes for that now.
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« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2016, 08:58:59 AM » |
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Maybe. Personally I think history will look pretty kind on him.
I agree MH. Once the dust settles, history has a way of bringing the truth to light. Look at Reagan...once everyone's darling, now not so much. |
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Maybe. Personally I think history will look pretty kind on him.
I agree MH. Once the dust settles, history has a way of bringing the truth to light. Look at Reagan...once everyone's daring, now not so much. Talk about delusional..... |
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well, one thing is for certain,,. we are way more racist and divided now than we were 8 years ago.
I would agree on more divided. But I doubt it on more racist. |
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Maybe. Personally I think history will look pretty kind on him.
I agree MH. Once the dust settles, history has a way of bringing the truth to light. Look at Reagan...once everyone's daring, now not so much. That's funny, I see the exact opposite... I thought Reagan was worshiped during his reign, with only history vindicating the wisdom of his actions... |
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« Reply #27 on: December 29, 2016, 09:26:55 AM » |
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I agree with Alan Dershowitz. Obama will go down in history as one of the worst Presidents ever on foreign policy.
Maybe. Personally I think history will look pretty kind on him. Obviously, that will depend on who writes those history books. In that most text books are written by Liberal Scholars and most Colleges that produce those "scholars" are from fairly Liberal to Extreme Liberal, I'd say there's a good chance you're correct. Let's hope there are a few writers out there who possess integrity and tell the truth. |
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« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2016, 09:28:33 AM » |
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I agree MH. Once the dust settles, history has a way of bringing the truth to light.
Look at Reagan...once everyone's daring, now not so much.
Wow! I was going to suggest we get together in twenty years but even the perception of the current is seriously flawed. well, one thing is for certain,,. we are way more racist and divided now than we were 8 years ago.
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Maybe. Personally I think history will look pretty kind on him.
I agree MH. Once the dust settles, history has a way of bringing the truth to light. Look at Reagan...once everyone's daring, now not so much. That's funny, I see the exact opposite... I thought Reagan was worshiped during his reign, with only history vindicating the wisdom of his actions... How soon we forget the Iran/Contra Scandal, the ballooned deficit, the anti union propaganda.  (and I voted for him twice) |
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Maybe. Personally I think history will look pretty kind on him.
I agree MH. Once the dust settles, history has a way of bringing the truth to light. Look at Reagan...once everyone's daring, now not so much. That's funny, I see the exact opposite... I thought Reagan was worshiped during his reign, with only history vindicating the wisdom of his actions... How soon we forget the Iran/Contra Scandal, the ballooned deficit, the anti union propaganda. (and I voted for him twice) ...bringing the most evil, threatening empire of evil to it's knees without firing a shot, setting up the nation for a decade of prosperity, bringing the abusive public unions under control... I guess like most things, it's all about perspective... (And I didn't vote for him... of course, I was 8 in 1979 so there's that... ) |
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Maybe. Personally I think history will look pretty kind on him.
I agree MH. Once the dust settles, history has a way of bringing the truth to light. Look at Reagan...once everyone's daring, now not so much. That's funny, I see the exact opposite... I thought Reagan was worshiped during his reign, with only history vindicating the wisdom of his actions... How soon we forget the Iran/Contra Scandal, the ballooned deficit, the anti union propaganda. (and I voted for him twice) ...bringing the most evil, threatening empire of evil to it's knees without firing a shot, setting up the nation for a decade of prosperity, bringing the abusive public unions under control... I guess like most things, it's all about perspective... (And I didn't vote for him... of course, I was 8 in 1979 so there's that... ) Oh, I'm not saying that he didn't do many good things. I just find it amusing how some write off the bad things he did. |
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Oh, I'm not saying that he didn't do many good things. I just find it amusing how some write off the bad things he did.
Reminder: Good versus Bad is more often than not, dependent on Perspective. |
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Oh, I'm not saying that he didn't do many good things. I just find it amusing how some write off the bad things he did.
Reminder: Good versus Bad is more often than not, dependent on Perspective. Yes it is. But I doubt anybody can spin the Iran/Contra scandal and the ballooned deficit as good. I realize there are some anti union enthusiasts here who that as good. |
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Oh, I'm not saying that he didn't do many good things. I just find it amusing how some write off the bad things he did.
Reminder: Good versus Bad is more often than not, dependent on Perspective. Yes it is. But I doubt anybody can spin the Iran/Contra scandal and the ballooned deficit as good. I realize there are some anti union enthusiasts here who that as good. I don't think you or I spend much time dwelling on the bad things we did! Pretty normal.  |
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Oh, I'm not saying that he didn't do many good things. I just find it amusing how some write off the bad things he did.
Reminder: Good versus Bad is more often than not, dependent on Perspective. Yes it is. But I doubt anybody can spin the Iran/Contra scandal and the ballooned deficit as good. I realize there are some anti union enthusiasts here who that as good. I don't think you or I spend much time dwelling on the bad things we did! Pretty normal. Very true ! But we sure don't forget the bad things others do. (Unless its a president that we put up on a pedestal) |
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Oh, I'm not saying that he didn't do many good things. I just find it amusing how some write off the bad things he did.
Reminder: Good versus Bad is more often than not, dependent on Perspective. Yes it is. But I doubt anybody can spin the Iran/Contra scandal and the ballooned deficit as good. I realize there are some anti union enthusiasts here who that as good. I don't think you or I spend much time dwelling on the bad things we did! Pretty normal. Very true ! But we sure don't forget the bad things others do. (Unless its a president that we put up on a pedestal) Again,, pretty normal,, no surprise here |
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Yes it is. But I doubt anybody can spin the Iran/Contra scandal and the ballooned deficit as good.
I won't defend the Iran/Contra thing, but the deficit had a purpose under Reagan, and it worked. The deficit went up because we were outspending the Soviet Union on military, to cause them to fail. It worked. And as I said, at least THAT deficit spending had a purpose, unlike Obama (pbuh)'s DOUBLING of the national debt in his 8 years at the helm... But as we said, perception... To some good is evil and evil is good... Who's who is up to the reader. |
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Yes it is. But I doubt anybody can spin the Iran/Contra scandal and the ballooned deficit as good.
I won't defend the Iran/Contra thing, but the deficit had a purpose under Reagan, and it worked. The deficit went up because we were outspending the Soviet Union on military, to cause them to fail. It worked. And as I said, at least THAT deficit spending had a purpose, unlike Obama (pbuh)'s DOUBLING of the national debt in his 8 years at the helm... But as we said, perception... To some good is evil and evil is good... Who's who is up to the reader. Being you are just a youngster, I'm cutting you a little slack on this. But the debt TRIPLED under Reagan. It was partly due to the Defense spending you refer to. But is was mostly do the tax cuts for mostly wealthy that really did most of the damage. Some even called his policies VooDoo Economics. |
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Maybe. Personally I think history will look pretty kind on him.
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