Making America Great Again, Ford to build new plant in US instead of Mexico

[Serk]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/03/ford-to-scrap-mexico-plant-invest-in-michigan-due-to-trump-policies.html

(And a non-Fox source for those who prefer such things - http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2017/01/03/ford-make-important-company-announcement-mobility-today/96102086/ )

[The emperor has no clothes]

How quickly the anti government in business folks have shifted their alliances.  ???

[Serk]

How quickly the anti government in business folks have shifted their alliances.  ???

How quickly the "Help the American worker" folks have shifted their alliances...

I'll admit the whole free trade thing has always been a difficult one for me, my libertarian side says "Free trade, let everyone compete and let the best rise to the top."

But... being in IT I've had to train my offshore replacements so many times, it can leave one a bit jaded on such matters after a while...

But seeing as Mr. Trump doesn't even HAVE any power yet, he's just using the bully pulpit to maximum effect right now, and THAT I'm fine with. A little "Name and shame" can go quite far...

[The emperor has no clothes]

How quickly the anti government in business folks have shifted their alliances.  ???

How quickly the "Help the American worker" folks have shifted their alliances...

I'll admit the whole free trade thing has always been a difficult one for me, my libertarian side says "Free trade, let everyone compete and let the best rise to the top."

But... being in IT I've had to train my offshore replacements so many times, it can leave one a bit jaded on such matters after a while...

But seeing as Mr. Trump doesn't even HAVE any power yet, he's just using the bully pulpit to maximum effect right now, and THAT I'm fine with. A little "Name and shame" can go quite far...

Thats the first time I've ever heard Twitter equated with the bully pulpit. I haven't shifted alliances at all. I've been pro Union, pro workers rights for decades. Still am. Just seems highly ironic that people just a few short months ago would have their heads exploding from Obama interfering in free enterprise are just fine with it now. 

[Serk]

Thats the first time I've ever heard Twitter equated with the bully pulpit.

"A bully pulpit is a conspicuous position that provides an opportunity to speak out and be listened to."

This term was coined by President Theodore Roosevelt, who referred to the White House as a "bully pulpit", by which he meant a terrific platform from which to advocate an agenda. Roosevelt used the word bully as an adjective meaning "superb" or "wonderful", a more common usage in his time than it is today. Another expression which survives from this era is "bully for you", synonymous with "good for you".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bully_pulpit

[Wizzard]

How quickly the anti government in business folks have shifted their alliances.  ???

How quickly the "Help the American worker" folks have shifted their alliances...

I'll admit the whole free trade thing has always been a difficult one for me, my libertarian side says "Free trade, let everyone compete and let the best rise to the top."

But... being in IT I've had to train my offshore replacements so many times, it can leave one a bit jaded on such matters after a while...

But seeing as Mr. Trump doesn't even HAVE any power yet, he's just using the bully pulpit to maximum effect right now, and THAT I'm fine with. A little "Name and shame" can go quite far...

Thats the first time I've ever heard Twitter equated with the bully pulpit. I haven't shifted alliances at all. I've been pro Union, pro workers rights for decades. Still am. Just seems highly ironic that people just a few short months ago would have their heads exploding from Obama interfering in free enterprise are just fine with it now. 

I think if he ever interfered with anything that kept business here, ,only a few would complain. Seems to me he just did nothing and let it go elsewhere.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Thats the first time I've ever heard Twitter equated with the bully pulpit.

"A bully pulpit is a conspicuous position that provides an opportunity to speak out and be listened to."

This term was coined by President Theodore Roosevelt, who referred to the White House as a "bully pulpit", by which he meant a terrific platform from which to advocate an agenda. Roosevelt used the word bully as an adjective meaning "superb" or "wonderful", a more common usage in his time than it is today. Another expression which survives from this era is "bully for you", synonymous with "good for you".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bully_pulpit

maybe it's just another sign of my being out of touch.   When I hear "bully pulpit" I think of Teddy Roosevelt standing behind a lectern speaking for an hour emphatically . For me 140 characters (or whatever it is) just seems miniscule in comparison .

[Robert]

When you have a good manager it makes all the difference in the world. One can drive a business into the ground another take that same business and make it prosperous. A good business man will know when to do the best thing for his company when dealing with someone who could make life very difficult for them. Or when a man is someone to get on board with, a mover and shaker. O was a flop in business who would trust their business to him or trust him to make an atmosphere for business. These men are not stupid and respect the ability of someone who can make the system work for all. Its not America that is failing its the leadership. We have great resources in the people and in natural resources, we also have a fairly strong economic system.

 I personally believe it was never O's goal to make or keep America a strong country. He was there to plunder what he could to spread around and leave a burning hulk. Rather than make the US strong he wanted to bring it down.

[The emperor has no clothes]

When you have a good manager it makes all the difference in the world. One can drive a business into the ground another take that same business and make it prosperous. A good business man will know when to do the best thing for his company when dealing with someone who could make life very difficult for them. Or when a man is someone to get on board with, a mover and shaker. O was a flop in business who would trust their business to him or trust him to make an atmosphere for business. These men are not stupid and respect the ability of someone who can make the system work for all. Its not America that is failing its the leadership. We have great resources in the people and in natural resources, we also have a fairly strong economic system.

 I personally believe it was never O's goal to make or keep America a strong country. He was there to plunder what he could to spread around and leave a burning hulk. Rather than make the US strong he wanted to bring it down.

Must everything get turned against Obama ?

[Wizzard]

Not really,, seems these days the media is twisting things against Trump. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

Not really,, seems these days the media is twisting things against Trump. 

By twisting, I assume you mean untruths. I'm willing to listen to any refute of what the media says.

[hubcapsc]

Not really,, seems these days the media is twisting things against Trump. 

By twisting, I assume you mean untruths. I'm willing to listen to any refute of what the media says.

Trump: I don’t have to be told the same thing in the same words every single day...

Media: Trump Says He Doesn’t Need Daily Intelligence Briefing Because He’s ‘Smart’

-Mike

[Serk]

Not really,, seems these days the media is twisting things against Trump. 

By twisting, I assume you mean untruths. I'm willing to listen to any refute of what the media says.

Twisting doesn't have to be an untruth, it can be editorializing on the front page, or framing, adjectives used, the way news is twisted, spin or manipulated as well...

[Patrick]

Someone works to keep business in this country when it isn't yet his job to do so and someone just has to bring it up to complain.

A new President working for the good of our country while our old President did not and some just have to complain.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Not really,, seems these days the media is twisting things against Trump. 

By twisting, I assume you mean untruths. I'm willing to listen to any refute of what the media says.

Trump: I don’t have to be told the same thing in the same words every single day...

Media: Trump Says He Doesn’t Need Daily Intelligence Briefing Because He’s ‘Smart’

-Mike

Full quote :
“You know, I’m, like, a smart person,” he said. “I don’t have to be told the same thing in the same words every single day for the next eight years.”
I'll rate you 2 Pinocchios 

[Wizzard]

Not really,, seems these days the media is twisting things against Trump. 

By twisting, I assume you mean untruths. I'm willing to listen to any refute of what the media says.

Trump: I don’t have to be told the same thing in the same words every single day...

Media: Trump Says He Doesn’t Need Daily Intelligence Briefing Because He’s ‘Smart’

-Mike

Full quote :
“You know, I’m, like, a smart person,” he said. “I don’t have to be told the same thing in the same words every single day for the next eight years.”
I'll rate you 2 Pinocchios 

I agree with him,., I am smart enough not to be told the same thing over and over. I am perceptive.

[Psychotic Bovine]

We see the headline as "Ford cancels plans to build plant in Mexico, will invest in Michigan.", Msnbc and the group of MBT and D see it as "Trump causes loss of thousands of jobs in Mexico".

[cookiedough]

good for Ford to keep jobs in America with our without Trumps help.    I have seen FIRST HAND good jobs go to China or India, both,  and both times have bit the companies in the butt for doing so almost to the point of the demise of the corporation.  It is one thing to pay India workers 1.50 per hour vs. 16 per hour here in the US,  but if it does NOT work having to hire 3-4x's the workers  in India and still not getting results and ruining the company,  whoever thought of that idea should be fired thinking even clerical or manual labor jobs can be shipped overseas...

Just got off the phone with Dish Network 1-800# and just PISSES ME OFF EVERY single time I get someone from the Phillipines or India, etc. who can barely speak English, then after blabbering with them for 5 minutes not understanding that person, they transfer me to another person who can actually help me out.  Makes me want to NOT do business with that company for hiring overseas workers making 1/10th of what Americans make just to save a buck that can eventually ruin the company in the end.   Seen it first hand a few times and really boils my blood!!!!  

[Serk]

I really wish Mike Rowe would run for SOME sort of public office just so I could vote for him!

He just posted this on his Facebook page:

I just read that my old employer, The Ford Motor Company, has reversed their decision to build a $1.6 billion manufacturing plant in Mexico, opting instead to invest $700 million in a Michigan assembly line. I’d like to take a moment to congratulate Ford, its current employees, its future employees, the great state of Michigan, and of course, The United States of America. This is a big, fat victory for anyone who wants to see America get back to the business of making things.
Now...
Will Ford’s decision be politicized? Yup.
Will Ford be accused of acting in their own self-interest? Yup.
Will critics say Ford could do more, and criticize them for doing too little? Yup.
Will the media overwhelm us with articles that explain why this is no big deal, and how Ford’s decision will ultimately result in no new jobs? Yup.
Do me a favor – ignore these people. They don’t know how to feel good about anything other than feeling bad. They don’t understand the value of justifiable optimism - or it’s importance.
Honestly, I don’t care what your politics are, or your opinion of NAFTA, The UAW, The New F-150, rich people, poor people, The Global Economy, or The President-Elect – this is good news, and sensible people should celebrate it. The company who invented mass production is once again betting on the future of America! What's the worst part about that? And if I’m reading this right, it's happening – at least in part – because of new “pro-growth policies, and a more positive manufacturing environment for US business.” http://fxn.ws/2ivzf7r
Couple years ago, I narrated a commercial for Walmart that announced their commitment to invest a quarter trillion dollars in US Manufacturing. That’s $250,000,000,000.00. That's a lot of zeros.
The backlash was instantaneous. People with an axe to grind against Walmart were livid with me, and thousands came to this page to tell me personally they hoped that Walmart would fail. Why? Because some people hate Walmart more than they care about America. Some people can't see the bigger picture. Some people don't understand if companies like Walmart choose NOT to invest in this country, no one will. And they don’t realize the importance of other companies, following their example.
Bottom line - we need more companies to do what Ford just did. We need to support decisions like this one. And most of all, we need more policies that reward the kind of behavior we want to encourage. I hope we get them, soon. My only question now is...
who’s next?
Mike
PS. Hey Michigan – speaking of your fair state – my foundation partnered with your leaders last year to draw attention to a few hundred thousand opportunities in the skilled trades that currently exist in your own backyard. We made a few videos that might be worth sharing, if you’re inclined to celebrate such things. Check the out here. http://puremi.ch/2j5W6Yg

[cookiedough]

I agree with Mike Rowe,  if you nay sayers and haters of walmart dislike them so much, do not shop there, but think of the millions of American employed because of Walmart as well.  

just saw on the news that Trump is also on GMs case for building some chevy cruze cars in Mexico warning GM if does not change will be heavily taxed.  Good for him,  sick of the Big 3 building cars outside the US more and more, even now China, just to save a buck.  Make that buck cost two bucks and bet all car mfgs. think otherwise.  Good for Mr. Trump!   

[Robert]

Must everything get turned against Obama ?

Unfortunately for us all it boils down to him not making the US a place suitable for business but for outsourcing. He needs to accept the responsibility for what he has done. The same as you and me do, I wish it had been different but it wasn't by Obama's own decisions.

[Robert]

When government officials are repeatedly caught red-handed breaking the law and getting off scot-free, The Angry Man balls-up his fists and readies himself for the coming fight. He knows that this fight will be a live or die situation, so he prepares fully. Make no mistake, this is a fight which he is not willing to lose and he will never give up.
 
Obama calls him a Clinger
Hillary Calls him Deplorable
Bill calls him Redneck                                          
BLM calls him a Racist
Feminists call him Sexist
ISIS calls him an Infidel
Donald Trump calls him an American      

Who's laughing now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzl8xjkgXCo

MSNBC LAUGHS AT TRUMP WHEN HE RUNS AND THEN MELTDOWN WHEN HE WINS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4zwsvMJ5uQ
 

[Moonshot_1]

How quickly the anti government in business folks have shifted their alliances.  ???

Don't see that at all.

There is a disconnect here.

We have a current government pursuing Global economic policies. That is fine but at the same time the same government is pursuing strict worker protections, environmental protections, and increased business taxation while trying to create free trade deals with countries that are nowhere close to pursuing those same protections or imposing high tax rates upon their own businesses. And for the last 8 years of this administration, there has been this disconnect that we can somehow impose the rules and regulations on businesses and that there would be no impact on the businesses.

There is nothing wrong with pursuing strict worker protections, environmental protections and increasing taxes on businesses IF you implement policies that insulate the business community from the economic impact. At the very least to level the "playing field" through language in trade deals or straight up tariffs on imports from countries that have lax protections for workers or environment.

If you impose upon US businesses rules and regulatory hurdles that their Global competitors don't have to bear and then ALLOW those Global competitors Free Access to our markets where do you think our US businesses will go? And the jobs? How can that possibly be defined as "Free" trade?

If people wish to define policies of fairness in trade practices and the championing of worker's rights and protections as protectionist, at least in the classic sense, then so be it. It isn't, but if one cannot see that then the problem is theirs.

What it ultimately boils down to is this.

We want to see legitimate and enforceable worker protections in the workplace.
We want to see legitimate and enforceable environmental protections for businesses.
We want to see trade policies that embody free trade practices.
But to achieve all this, and more, we must also have legitimate, fair, and enforceable protections for our Domestic Business community.

Without the business community there are no worker protections or
no environmental protections, because there are no businesses to employ anyone or protect anything.

[f6john]

When you have a good manager it makes all the difference in the world. One can drive a business into the ground another take that same business and make it prosperous. A good business man will know when to do the best thing for his company when dealing with someone who could make life very difficult for them. Or when a man is someone to get on board with, a mover and shaker. O was a flop in business who would trust their business to him or trust him to make an atmosphere for business. These men are not stupid and respect the ability of someone who can make the system work for all. Its not America that is failing its the leadership. We have great resources in the people and in natural resources, we also have a fairly strong economic system.

 I personally believe it was never O's goal to make or keep America a strong country. He was there to plunder what he could to spread around and leave a burning hulk. Rather than make the US strong he wanted to bring it down.

Must everything get turned against Obama ?

   Exactly MH, we all know it's Bush's fault!

[Wizzard]

I blame Obama for very little since he did very little.

[..]

     


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzl8xjkgXCo


 



 

[3fan4life]

good for Ford to keep jobs in America with our without Trumps help.    I have seen FIRST HAND good jobs go to China or India, both,  and both times have bit the companies in the butt for doing so almost to the point of the demise of the corporation.  It is one thing to pay India workers 1.50 per hour vs. 16 per hour here in the US,  but if it does NOT work having to hire 3-4x's the workers  in India and still not getting results and ruining the company,  whoever thought of that idea should be fired thinking even clerical or manual labor jobs can be shipped overseas...

Just got off the phone with Dish Network 1-800# and just PISSES ME OFF EVERY single time I get someone from the Phillipines or India, etc. who can barely speak English, then after blabbering with them for 5 minutes not understanding that person, they transfer me to another person who can actually help me out.  Makes me want to NOT do business with that company for hiring overseas workers making 1/10th of what Americans make just to save a buck that can eventually ruin the company in the end.   Seen it first hand a few times and really boils my blood!!!!  

I absolutely hate dealing with overseas call centers.

They are almost always rude and incompetent!

Whenever I am forced to deal with them, I really lay on the southern drawl.

I have had them transfer me to a US based call center because they couldn't understand me.   

[3fan4life]

I agree with Mike Rowe,  if you nay sayers and haters of walmart dislike them so much, do not shop there, but think of the millions of American employed because of Walmart as well.  

just saw on the news that Trump is also on GMs case for building some chevy cruze cars in Mexico warning GM if does not change will be heavily taxed.  Good for him,  sick of the Big 3 building cars outside the US more and more, even now China, just to save a buck.  Make that buck cost two bucks and bet all car mfgs. think otherwise.  Good for Mr. Trump!   

The wife's 2016 Camry is more American Made than anything from Ford or Chevy.

[baldo]

 I personally believe it was never O's goal to make or keep America a strong country. He was there to plunder what he could to spread around and leave a burning hulk. Rather than make the US strong he wanted to bring it down.

Bob, that is some seriously crazy talk.......

[baldo]

I agree with Mike Rowe,  if you nay sayers and haters of walmart dislike them so much, do not shop there, but think of the millions of American employed because of Walmart as well.  

just saw on the news that Trump is also on GMs case for building some chevy cruze cars in Mexico warning GM if does not change will be heavily taxed.  Good for him,  sick of the Big 3 building cars outside the US more and more, even now China, just to save a buck.  Make that buck cost two bucks and bet all car mfgs. think otherwise.  Good for Mr. Trump!   

Trump needs a time delay on his twitterer machine....and maybe fact check before he pushes the button.

https://www.cnet.com/news/trump-tweet-gm-chevy-cruze-fact-check/

[baldo]

Must everything get turned against Obama ?

In the world known as the VRCC, that answer would be yes. I honestly think it's gotten worse on these pages than before the election.

[mike72903]

Must everything get turned against Obama ?

In the world known as the VRCC, that answer would be yes. I honestly think it's gotten worse on these pages than before the election.

Not going to change.  Now things  will be blamed on the democratic minority undermining all Trumps brilliant efforts.  That or the evil Hildabeast bitch acting as puppeteer controlling things from afar. Or the incredibly biased liberal media. Externlization.  It will be interesting listening in for the next few years.

[Gavin_Sons]

Must everything get turned against Obama ?

In the world known as the VRCC, that answer would be yes. I honestly think it's gotten worse on these pages than before the election.

People like you do not help 
Thought you vowed to not talk about politics awhile back. What happened to that? Maybe you need another break? It only seems worse because your side lost. You now know how the rest of us have felt the last 8 years. Don't worry, this feeling will not go away for at least 4 years 

[The emperor has no clothes]

 I personally believe it was never O's goal to make or keep America a strong country. He was there to plunder what he could to spread around and leave a burning hulk. Rather than make the US strong he wanted to bring it down.

Bob, that is some seriously crazy talk.......

It may be crazy, but there is no doubt it's how many think. Obama = Satan, Trump = John the Baptist. 

[Robert]

 I personally believe it was never O's goal to make or keep America a strong country. He was there to plunder what he could to spread around and leave a burning hulk. Rather than make the US strong he wanted to bring it down.

Bob, that is some seriously crazy talk.......

It may be crazy, but there is no doubt it's how many think. Obama = Satan, Trump = John the Baptist. 

When you see policies like open boarders, ACA, costs going up. money printed at an alarming rate, no arrests in riots, gay marriage, elevating homosexuals above the rights of ordinary people, companies doing almost anything they want, people getting arrested for doing the same thing government officials do and get away with, email scam, Benghazi, credit card interest up, Solyndra, Iran deal that was not a deal, remember cash for clunkers failure.

and wait for it, OUR LEADER APOLOGIZES FOR US AND BOWS DOWN TO A SAUDI PRINCE.

Now this just names the things off the top of my head how should people feel? I wonder why you dont feel the same way.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it must be a duck,

so since Obama policies have ALL been to divest the US of its sovereign rights and people of the constitutional rights, and not balanced the budget, and done all the things without regard to the shrinking middle class and the growing one percenters where do you think O's policies will lead?

Hence I say Obama was not meant to make America great but to make American a one world tag along.

[Willow]

It's interesting to see people who are overwhelmingly single minded and fault finding complain that others are single minded and fault finding.   

There was an old adage that says if you're not part of the solution you are part of the problem.

[G-Man]

Must everything get turned against Obama ?

In the world known as the VRCC, that answer would be yes. I honestly think it's gotten worse on these pages than before the election.

Not going to change.  Now things  will be blamed on the democratic minority undermining all Trumps brilliant efforts.  That or the evil Hildabeast bitch acting as puppeteer controlling things from afar. Or the incredibly biased liberal media. Externlization.  It will be interesting listening in for the next few years.

Will probably mimic what we've been hearing for the last 8 years. 

How soon they forget.  EVERYTHING was Bush's fault.  Everything was the republican's fault.  We heard the words Racism, Sexism, etc, over and over again.  The entire right side was deemed racist for disagreeing with Hussein, EVERY TIME.  We heard republicans being called terrorists, and holding the country hostage.  We heard democrats in congress say republicans can go to hell.  We heard govorners say there is no place in their states for republicans.

And now before the guys even in office, he's being blamed for everything racial thing going on the country.  We're hearing he's the one who is dividing us.  That's a laugh!

You know something, you liberals/democrats/progressives/etc. are so full of $hit and hypocrisy.

[Serk]

There was an old adage that says if you're not part of the solution you are part of the problem.

I always thought it was "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate." 

[The emperor has no clothes]

Must everything get turned against Obama ?

In the world known as the VRCC, that answer would be yes. I honestly think it's gotten worse on these pages than before the election.

Not going to change.  Now things  will be blamed on the democratic minority undermining all Trumps brilliant efforts.  That or the evil Hildabeast bitch acting as puppeteer controlling things from afar. Or the incredibly biased liberal media. Externlization.  It will be interesting listening in for the next few years.

Will probably mimic what we've been hearing for the last 8 years. 

How soon they forget.  EVERYTHING was Bush's fault.  Everything was the republican's fault.  We heard the words Racism, Sexism, etc, over and over again.  The entire right side was deemed racist for disagreeing with Hussein, EVERY TIME.  We heard republicans being called terrorists, and holding the country hostage.  We heard democrats in congress say republicans can go to hell.  We heard govorners say there is no place in their states for republicans.

And now before the guys even in office, he's being blamed for everything racial thing going on the country.  We're hearing he's the one who is dividing us.  That's a laugh!

You know something, you liberals/democrats/progressives/etc. are so full of $hit and hypocrisy.

An awful lot of generalizations in there my friend.

[baldo]

There was an old adage that says if you're not part of the solution you are part of the problem.

I always thought it was "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate." 

Chemically speaking, you'd be correct.