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« on: July 30, 2017, 05:42:46 PM » |
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Hi guys, From reading numerous threads concerning the Valkyrie [OEM] Petcock issues and after having my local go-to MC Mr Fix it struggle to iron-out the issues I am constantly experiencing I have literally given up trying to replace/rebuild and get my 1998 Valkyrie reliable. I note that many members here are of the opinion that by replacing the OEM Petcock with a Pingle [1311] non-vac type, this alternative is reliable and pretty much a 'done & forget about it' fix - which right now I need. As I live in the Philippines (Clark Air Base/Subic Bay Port - which any GI's will know well  ) I need to get everything shipped and don't wish to be stalled with the bike of the road due to missing some tiny frustrating detail. So, my question is - If I get the Pingle Petcock shipped here, as a non-vac type I understand the nipple located at cylinder #6 is stopped-off and kept to one side in case it's needed in the future for carb re-syning etc (correct?) If so, what is the removed nipple stopped-off with? I have seen a thread mention stop-off with 'same threaded bolt' but hey - I'm in the Philippines - not so easy to get anything - so should I order something to stop-off and replace the #6 cylinder vac nipple? If so, what part and from where? Or am I just being paranoid and this is so darn easy I am worrying over nothing... I am very sorry to raise the subject of "Valkyrie Petcocks" yet again - but my constant inconsistent road trips switching between main/reserve only to find the tank accepts 7-8-9-10-11 Ltrs on refill is ruining my otherwise enjoyment of my bike. There are only 3 Valkyries in the Philippines so I have no one to turn to for assistance, as the only other Valkyrie owner here (a fellow MC brother) passed away recently  My mechanic has 2 x rebuilt & subsequently replaced the OEM Petcock and sure, maybe an otherwise competent mechanic simply cannot get the balance right and there is some 'kink' somewhere - but after almost 4 months of head-scratching I am thinking the Pingle mod will be my best bet? FYI. I have always had issues with this since owning the bike (about 6 months) and I have got into the habit of turning off the petcock when stationary. If I stop shortly after refueling and turn off the OEM Petcock, expansion still causes fuel to leak out of the overflow under the bike. Yes it is [very] HOT here and I don't expect miracles when the bike is in direct sunlight, but a really, really simple, reliable solution is welcomed. I simply cannot continue to ride my bike and have to switch to reserve anywhere between 60Miles - 120 Miles - only to find I have plenty of gas in the tank. Sometimes I am 'up in the mountains' and quite a few miles away from any help. I have no issues spending the money for an A1 reliable solution and if I understand correctly the Pingle replacement is reliable and recommended by some highly respected board members here? If so, I just want to make sure I have all the 'bits' so that any fix isn't delayed any longer than necessary. Just one other question (related) I understand that the 'reserve' will be less with the Pingle Petcock. The Honda OEM is approx. 16Ltr / 4 Ltr = 20 (for arguments sake). What have you guys found is the spread with the Pingle? 18/2ltr or something like that? I thank you in advance for your helpful replies & suggestions. Hopefully I can get this sorted and continue my brave fight against all my other brothers in my MC - who are die-hard Harley riders and will continue to gloat over any issues I experience with my 'Rice Cooker'! (I want to be the one at the road side saying "Hey, you ride a HD - what did you expect - reliability?)  |
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Harryc
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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2017, 06:35:04 PM » |
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It's not too terribly hard to rebuild an OEM Honda petcock...I'd forget about the local mechanic and teach myself to fix the bike. Redeye has vacuum plugs, you can make your own, or you can order them from Honda. http://redeye.ecrater.com/ |
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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2017, 07:05:47 PM » |
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I'm with Harry on this. In addition, the vacuum hose is probably old and cracking. Which is lessening the pull on the petcock. We're it me, I'd order a cover set kit, vacuum plugs, and hoses. If you are set on the Pingle, it's not hard at all. Just remember, you MUST ALWAYS TURN IT OFF.
I'm curious what Subic Bay is like these days ?
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ridingron
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2017, 07:23:33 PM » |
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If I stop shortly after refueling and turn off the OEM Petcock, expansion still causes fuel to leak out of the overflow under the bike. Yes it is [very] HOT here and I don't expect miracles when the bike is in direct sunlight, but a really, really simple, reliable solution is welcomed. Immediately my thought was don't top it off to the brim. How far apart are the gas stations when you ride? Not as far south as you but living in Florida, I know a little about gas expansion. |
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Hook#3287
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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2017, 03:53:58 AM » |
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Not ever having the issue you are, I can't be exact with the reason. But a search should help, as I know this has been discussed a lot. My feeling is your experiencing a fuel vacuum issue.
Either vacuum where is shouldn't be, or no vacuum where is should.
The OEM petcock is designed to have about 1 gallon (little under 4 liters) in the tank when needing to switch to reserve. Can't help w/pingle reserve as my bikes are all OEM.
If you go the Pingle route you can remove the vac hose that now goes to the petcock from #6 intake.
The nipple stays.
You can make your own plug for #6 with that hose by cutting a 2" piece and finding a bolt to put in the end. If finding a bolt is difficult you could always fold the hose back over and tape it.
Or you can order plugs/caps from redeye.
Stick with it, you'll get it right.
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h13man
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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2017, 05:18:25 AM » |
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Mine came with a Pingle with 11,300 mi. on it so I'd say the stock setup is a little suspect as far as reliability. Yes you have to turn off the Pingle but most us old schoolers are used to doing it anyway. Done it on my Shadow with a upfeed fuel pump. I made a aluminuim trim plate to cover the existing petcock hole area as it looks a little ugly after removal.
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Ramie
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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2017, 06:51:03 AM » |
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Describe the problem your having in a little more detail, it may not be a problem with your petcock. The fuel system on Valks can be a little touchy if fuel line is too long or tank not vented properly or intake's leaking. You'll find a lot of knowledgeable people here willing to share their knowledge and experience.
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Lyle Laun
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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2017, 07:09:05 AM » |
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You're good with just ordering the Pingel, no other parts required. Plug off the vacuum line from number six any way you like. Also make sure your fuel line isn't too long as a low spot in the fuel run will cause you problems.
Reserve is about 1/2 of your OEM petcock. You'll never regret your decision.
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Lyle
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Jruby38
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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2017, 02:52:37 PM » |
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Replace the POS OEM with a manual Pingle.
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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2017, 03:36:49 PM » |
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Happy with MY Pingle......
Once I am real close to home, I reach down and cut the gas.....
I LIKE having stuff like that to do, when I ride! The "old fashioned" way!!
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gordonv
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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2017, 07:05:01 PM » |
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Describe the problem your having in a little more detail, it may not be a problem with your petcock. The fuel system on Valks can be a little touchy if fuel line is too long or tank not vented properly or intake's leaking. You'll find a lot of knowledgeable people here willing to share their knowledge and experience.
+1 my thoughts also. I don't think you are describing a petcock issue, but a kinked vent hose for your gas tank. You run out of fuel before your tank is empty. Get something like a plastic stir stick, open the gas cap and place this under it, and close. This should break the air seal on the cap, which will allow air into the tank as fuel is drained. As for the tank size, you look like you have a std/tourer, so OEM that is 5.3 US gal, (20L), with a 1.14 US gal (4.3L) of that fuel as reserve. As for what I would change to, you will need to measure yourself after a petcock is changed out, knowing that the tank size doesn't change, only how much fuel when you change to reserve. Also, if you don't have the shop manual yet, get it. http://valkyrienorway.com/download.html |
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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2017, 07:30:31 PM » |
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Replace the POS OEM with a manual Pingle.
Just so you know, Jruby38's opinion is not universal. Not everyone on here believes the OEM is a POS.  |
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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2017, 07:43:38 PM » |
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Replace the POS OEM with a manual Pingle.
Just so you know, Jruby38's opinion is not universal. Not everyone on here believes the OEM is a POS. +1 |
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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2017, 07:57:51 PM » |
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Replace the POS OEM with a manual Pingle.
Just so you know, Jruby38's opinion is not universal. Not everyone on here believes the OEM is a POS. +1 +2 The OEM petcock requires maintenance. The OEM petcock is reliable if you choose to do that maintenance, the pingle is for those that don't want to do that maintenance. |
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Curly
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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2017, 09:26:58 PM » |
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I HUGE thank you for all your expedient and valuable replies (thanks guys). As I have taught myself to close the Petcock out of habit, I will go the Pingle route and one is being shipped to me [Cat No.1311] as per the advises on this forum. I am absolutely sure that with some TLC, luck and what not, the OEM Petcock issue would resolve itself, be it the main source of the problem or some tank venting quirk or associated bug. However, I've never read anything negative about the change to the Pingle, even if it is an 'olde school' manual work-around. Thank you for the guidance on stoppering the vent nipple and likewise, to ensure the fuel line isn't too long to avoid a potential issue. I reckon I can live with a reduced (approx. 2Ltr) reserve and I will be sure to update you guys how it's all going once the Pingle has arrived and it's been installed etc. FYI. Ive done a couple of mods to resolve overheating in Manila traffic issues and I will post them on a new thread. They might be of interest to anyone with a Valkyrie in a particularly HOT climate… Once again a HUGE THANK YOU for all your valuable input. Clark/Subic Bay hasn't changed much over the years - and in many parts is still stuck in a 1970's time-warp, but its slowly improving. And the beers cheap!  |
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Leathel
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« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2017, 10:58:31 PM » |
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The Pingle has a slightly smaller outlet size so you will require a different hose clamp, I went with a std SS wind down hose clamp
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F6AJ
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« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2017, 07:35:24 PM » |
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I think it's on Mark T's website....in addition to a Pingel petcock add in line a Dan Marc elect. shut off circuit to ignition with a Golan fuel filter.I can shut fuel off manual and elect.(switched).just MHO
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« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2017, 08:22:03 PM » |
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I think it's on Mark T's website....in addition to a Pingel petcock add in line a Dan Marc elect. shut off circuit to ignition with a Golan fuel filter.I can shut fuel off manual and elect.(switched).just MHO
+1 After multiple unsuccessful tries to fix the OEM petcock (even drilling out rivets and rebuilding inside), I went Pingel with Dan Marc fuel shut off and an inline filter. Havent yet had an issue. (And dont expect to) Wish I had started there... Good luck |
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Curly
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« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2017, 05:33:11 PM » |
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***UPDATE*** I have now run about 500 miles with the Pingle Petcock installed. And it works like a dream. The small black plastic cover on the Pingle Petcock lever serves as a perfect 'plug' for vacuum at #6 cylinder. I have done about 140 miles prior to refueling without hitting reserve, and have about 5Ltrs remaining in tank, so as it stands it's looking like about 170 miles per tank, with an average of 8.6 miles/litre. The above was combined with a friend's custom exhaust made for the Valkyrie, at which point jets were changed from 100 to 105 - which is likely to alter stock consumption etc. I will post about this in a separate thread etc…. May I thank you all sincerely for ALL your suggestions. For what it's worth, I am delighted with the change to the Pingle Petcock and thus-far I've not regretted it for one minute. The item is very well made and it is quite easy to operate for me (long slim fingers a bonus!) As I live in the Philippines, I think severe climate and changing altitudes contributed to this problem, and with NO options (much) the change to the pure 'mechanical' Pingle Petcock was a great solution. For anyone else reading this - I was able to order direct from Pingle (USA) and the petcock arrived in 14 days - which for the Philippines was a bl**dy miracle in itself! |
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« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2017, 11:37:19 AM » |
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Another happy Pingel customer ,ordered a second one today. |
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Curly
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« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2017, 02:26:21 AM » |
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With an additional 2000M since the Pingle Petcock installation, I'm hitting reserve with around 3.5 litres left in the tank. Just in case anyone else was wondering.... With a full tank, I have inadvertently forgotten to turn the fuel off a couple of times, but the bike was only left standing for about 1 hour on both occasions. No leakage. Obviously I try not to be so forgetful, but it's worthy of note that the Pingle seems to be 'forgiving' too... Thanks again everyone. |
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« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2017, 05:06:12 PM » |
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With a full tank, I have inadvertently forgotten to turn the fuel off a couple of times, but the bike was only left standing for about 1 hour on both occasions. No leakage. Obviously I try not to be so forgetful, but it's worthy of note that the Pingle seems to be 'forgiving' too...
It's not so much whether the Pingle is "forgiving" but that your floats are all working. A petcock that flows only becomes a problem when one of the floats (with the piston in the right position) fails. |
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Curly
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« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2017, 07:06:20 PM » |
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I think it would be worth it to install a Dan-Marc fuel solenoid if you can get one shipped. I can do that for you if they won't, just cover the costs. Can then put hydro-lock out of mind if you forget and leave the petcock open. Or even leave it open all the time if you're OK with trusting the DM. I don't close my Pingle anymore. Which is OK with me - I don't have long thin fingers. I recommend the bigger, 1/4 " orifice #121 model - looks like this.  Very sorry for the late reply. I've had a few health issues of late (long story - yawn) and have just noticed your very kind offer/additional information. My sincerest apologies for my late reply (and acknowledgement of appreciation etc.)..... I have emailed Dan-Marc to see if they will ship to the Philippines - if not - I will probably be begging you for your kind offer of shipping assistance!! . Fingers-crossed.... I've not had any "issues" but better safe than sorry etc etc.. Kindest regards as always, Curly (Andrew) |
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