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I finally traces the previous owners' shop and called them. They graciously told me he had the oil (GN4), filter and final drive oil changed in Aug 2017.
So I figured I'll give it some fresh blood and got a 5 qt jug of M1 full synth 15W-50 ($27.00) and ordered 4 Purolator PL14610 PureOne for $25.@ Amazon.
I have read here that this was the most popular choice. The stuff is supposed to go for quite a ways but I'll prolly change it 2 X a year.
So, am I right that I use a full 4 qts with the longer filter?
Do you guys stick a neo magnet on the filter?
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2018, 05:11:46 PM » |
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any larger filter will slightly more oil, a few ozs.
any magnet catches same size micron particles that a good filter catches. so save your money and ignore the marketing hype.
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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2018, 05:46:21 PM » |
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Just a reminder to use only 4 qts. (or very near that) in your 5 quart jug. Do not put the whole 5 qts. in thinking it is a 4 qt. jug of oil. Seems simple, but am sure someone has done it somewhere...  On my smaller OEM size oil filters I go 4 ounces short of a full 4 qts. so you can stop there, start it up, let sit a few minutes, then double check to see if you need to add the extra 3-4 ounces. NO harm done stopping 3-4 ounces short of a full 4 qts. and firing it up to check the dipstick. Just an fyi: sit on bike level and do NOT screw in the dipstick in just let sit on top not threading it in to check the oil level on dipstick. |
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2018, 05:53:58 PM » |
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Thanks for the tips. I'm gonna write right on the jug with a sharpie.
My 1100 is the same. Vertical with the dip just touched.
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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2018, 04:55:54 AM » |
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The lower end of the dip stick has a flat area with two marks on it. The mark in the middle of the flat area is the full mark. If it just touches the bottom of the dip stick, you need more oil.  |
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2018, 06:18:21 AM » |
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5 qt. jug? Usually the quantity for car oil changes. Only seen MC specific Mobil 15-40w in qt. bottles.
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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2018, 06:50:16 AM » |
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5 qt. jug? Usually the quantity for car oil changes. Only seen MC specific Mobil 15-40w in qt. bottles.
I’ve been using “car oil” for years. Just don’t use the friction modifier stuff. |
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2018, 07:41:36 AM » |
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O/Reilly has a sale on several brands synthetic and non including M1, 5 qts at $28.95 thru 2/27. Full synth, Castrol same price, and their house brand full synth $26.99.
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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2018, 01:15:15 PM » |
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manual calls for
3.7L or 3.9 US Qts.
1 gal/4 qts = 3.7854 L
3.9 US qts = 3.6907 L
doesn't make sense but that is the conversions.
so 1 gal/4 qts will meet manual requirements
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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2018, 05:21:39 PM » |
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manual calls for
3.7L or 3.9 US Qts.
1 gal/4 qts = 3.7854 L
3.9 US qts = 3.6907 L
doesn't make sense but that is the conversions.
so 1 gal/4 qts will meet manual requirements
3.7L = 125.1 ounces 1 gal = 128 ounces 1 gal would be 2.9 ounces over (not a lot). Just being pedantically literal.  |
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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2018, 05:56:08 PM » |
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manual calls for
3.7L or 3.9 US Qts.
1 gal/4 qts = 3.7854 L
3.9 US qts = 3.6907 L
doesn't make sense but that is the conversions.
so 1 gal/4 qts will meet manual requirements
Right. so 4 qts (1 gal), - 1.6 ounces 1/10 qt. But my thinking is-- that calls for the shorter filter. I think it's about 1/2" shorter so with the slightly longer filter should be 1 or 2 ounces, No? |
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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2018, 06:02:13 PM » |
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The lower end of the dip stick has a flat area with two marks on it. The mark in the middle of the flat area is the full mark. If it just touches the bottom of the dip stick, you need more oil. I'll have to check because mine came with a thermometer dipstick and may not have the original in the "extras" box. |
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« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2018, 06:45:58 PM » |
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1.6 oz could be the difference in filter size, but it could also be the success in getting all the old dirty oil out by having a hot (not warm) bike, leaning it over right, and bumping the starter a couple times, when you think it's empty (which does make a small mess BTW). I used to meticulously try to get 3.9 gallons in. Now I meticulously try to get all the oil out, then dump in the whole gallon, whether I am using the shorter or longer filter. And after running the bike, I've never been overfull, though at the high end of the dip.
What that diagram does not show is to not screw the dip down (you're not supposed to); just drop it in till it stops, with the bike leveled up. And that is the OE dip, not some aftermarket dip (unless you have closely checked the accuracy of the aftermarket dip, it should never be trusted). Albeit, even the OE dip has a range of acceptable level.
Also, everyone should know this; but you cannot check the level after oil change until you have restarted the bike and let it run a bit, then wait a bit. Filters that go in vertical can be filled before install, but not the horizontal mount Valk filter.
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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2018, 03:00:50 AM » |
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When I fill with new oil out of the 1qt bottles, I just pour it in till they empty and go to he next.
By the time I get to the fourth, the others have a very small amount still left in them from the bottle walls.
I figure it makes up for the .1 , leaving me with 3.9 qts in the bike.
In the 50+ Valkyrie oil changes I've done, seems to work.
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« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2018, 05:58:25 AM » |
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When I fill with new oil out of the 1qt bottles, I just pour it in till they empty and go to he next.
By the time I get to the fourth, the others have a very small amount still left in them from the bottle walls.
I figure it makes up for the .1 , leaving me with 3.9 qts in the bike.
In the 50+ Valkyrie oil changes I've done, seems to work.
somebody actually drained the bottles a decade ago and posted that with measuring cup pictures. |
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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2018, 08:04:18 PM » |
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When I fill with new oil out of the 1qt bottles, I just pour it in till they empty and go to he next.
By the time I get to the fourth, the others have a very small amount still left in them from the bottle walls.
I figure it makes up for the .1 , leaving me with 3.9 qts in the bike.
In the 50+ Valkyrie oil changes I've done, seems to work.
somebody actually drained the bottles a decade ago and posted that with measuring cup pictures. I have always wondered that how many ounces (doubt over 1 ounce) is left after emptying the bottles and letting drip, drip, drip for say 1-2 hours afterwards. I pour bottle in until it drips once every 5-6 seconds, turn bottle upside down with screw cap closed going to next bottle, then go back once on each bottle and you will be surprised that the cap is full of oil and then tad bit more letting it drip and drip another 10-15 drips or so, close enough 97% out of the bottle am sure. One thing not really mentioned and should IMO, warm up engine fully driving it around the block at least or tad bit more 1-3 miles so not super hot to the touch but still fully warmed up, and also I think very important if your right leg can stand it, lean bike over while draining oil out with filter off as well and you will be amazed holding bike up leaning over as far to the right as your right leg can handle the weight for 1-2 minutes a few times doing that how much oil will not only drip but fully pour out of the crankcase as well as some out of the oil filter area. (my guess another 3 ounches give or take). I do this leaning over to the right as far as possible holding up 800+lbs. 1-2 minutes each time on my right leg 3-4 times to get as much old oil out. Just be sure you have grippy shoes on and not on slippery surface since that is a lot of weight on your right leg/foot area. |
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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2018, 08:08:26 PM » |
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now to open up a can of worms on which oil to use....... oh boy, here we go again????  I use to use amsoil 10w-40 forever full synthetic but now that my local Amsoil rep having every year for 3-4 years straight price increase to him having to go around 11.55 per qt. (was under 11 bucks per qt.) , I decided to give the 4qt. jug of Rotella T6 5w-40 (worried about the 5w vs. 10w part a tad not really though) full synthetic diesel oil (15-20 bucks total is all) a go changing 4 cycles all to this first time this fall. Will see come summer of 2018 how this oil performs/behaves on all 4 cycles... |
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« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2018, 08:25:41 AM » |
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now to open up a can of worms on which oil to use....... oh boy, here we go again???? I use to use amsoil 10w-40 forever full synthetic but now that my local Amsoil rep having every year for 3-4 years straight price increase to him having to go around 11.55 per qt. (was under 11 bucks per qt.) , I decided to give the 4qt. jug of Rotella T6 5w-40 (worried about the 5w vs. 10w part a tad not really though) full synthetic diesel oil (15-20 bucks total is all) a go changing 4 cycles all to this first time this fall. Will see come summer of 2018 how this oil performs/behaves on all 4 cycles... T6 will serve you well, i've been using it for years |
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« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2018, 08:30:51 AM » |
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5 qt. jug? Usually the quantity for car oil changes. Only seen MC specific Mobil 15-40w in qt. bottles.
I’ve been using “car oil” for years. Just don’t use the friction modifier stuff. I was mentioning this just because of the "energy/resource" conserving logo (API label/circle) on the jug thus hoping the original poster was aware of the difference in the oil specifications. I should have been more specific in my 1st. post. |
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« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2018, 11:05:25 AM » |
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Any diesel oil will do it just fine.
I'm running Rotella T4 (mineral) in the valkyrie, T6 (synthetic) in the ST1300 and Delo 400 (mineral) in my vstrom. I used to run Mobil 1 full synthetic 10w40 for motorcycles but got tired of paying a premium for an oil that the lab analysis didn't show great results.
The whole point of full synthetic is if you are targeting longer oil change interval or if you live in a place were it is may be too cold for a start in early morning (i.e. synthetic seems to flow better while colder than say, mineral oil).
Valkyries already got a pretty long oil change interval (8K miles) recommended by mother honda using their dino oil (which is probably not as good as any diesel oil).
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« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2018, 12:11:04 PM » |
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manual calls for
3.7L or 3.9 US Qts.
1 gal/4 qts = 3.7854 L
3.9 US qts = 3.6907 L
doesn't make sense but that is the conversions.
so 1 gal/4 qts will meet manual requirements
3.7L = 125.1 ounces 1 gal = 128 ounces 1 gal would be 2.9 ounces over (not a lot). Just being pedantically literal. I had to look up "pedantically." Thanks, I learned something today.  |
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« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2018, 01:18:46 PM » |
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I use full synthetic 20W-50; I never ride below 40F, and occasionally pull a fairly heavy trailer in the summer heat.
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« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2018, 04:29:56 PM » |
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I don't have a problem running dyno oil. I use it for years on my 1100. I did try Rotella in that once and I got some clutch slippage. (I don't know if it was to blame). I replaced the clutch pad springs and went back to GN4.
One goal was to get a quieter motor sound with full synthetic so the heavier oil seems most practical.
I also don't ride under 40 or 50 deg.
PS, Found my OEM dipstick..
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« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2018, 08:44:07 AM » |
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Interesting thread. Most important part of changing oil is the draining. If you get a good drain then dump in a fresh gallon.
I check the oil before every ride. I look under the bike, if there's no oil there then it's all still in the motor.
To be honest after all this talk about oil I did go out and check both bikes with the dipstick. Both perfect. Been a couple years since I removed a dipstick.
So...drain, gallon, go
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« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2018, 03:31:53 PM » |
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So I did my oil change. I got a "measuring" funnel from autozone. A whole gallon <a few oz. came out (I poured it into a washer fluid bottle) and it looked still good. I don't thing the PO put many miles on it.
I carefully put in 1 qt at a time. I started it up and ran it till hot. I checked it 4 times with the OEM dipstick to threads (bike vertical), and the level was over the top mark. It appears this is common on the gl1500 wing board when I googled it. Funny thing is that I am looking at the quart markers on the jug and the remaining oil is about 1 1/4 qts left!
There is some weird twilight zone stuff going on here! The drain plug was too hot to handle and risk dropping it so I left it for later.
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« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2018, 03:42:41 PM » |
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So I did my oil change. I got a "measuring" funnel from autozone. A whole gallon <a few oz. came out (I poured it into a washer fluid bottle) and it looked still good. I don't thing the PO put many miles on it.
I carefully put in 1 qt at a time. I started it up and ran it till hot. I checked it 4 times with the OEM dipstick to threads (bike vertical), and the level was over the top mark. It appears this is common on the gl1500 wing board when I googled it. Funny thing is that I am looking at the quart markers on the jug and the remaining oil is about 1 1/4 qts left!
There is some weird twilight zone stuff going on here! The drain plug was too hot to handle and risk dropping it so I left it for later.
read your manual. not suppose to check when its hot. cold start, run 2-3 minutes shut off wait 2 minutes check level. |
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« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2018, 05:13:47 PM » |
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Woops. I'm dumber than I thought I was.........
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« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2018, 05:22:25 PM » |
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Woops. I'm dumber than I thought I was.........
download tech manual for free http://valkyrienorway.com/download.html |
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« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2018, 06:25:51 PM » |
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Yup. You're right. I started it, run for 3 min, off and checked it. Right in the middle of the dipstick.
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