Kids against gun violence

[Gavin_Sons]

Can't quite understand why a bunch of grown ups on a motorcycle forum are so concerned of the kid movement that they have to denigrate them? They aren't hurting you any... or are they?

I almost forgot that they are going to be a huge force at the polls in a few years and you know how that younger generation is, what one does they pretty much all do and it sure looks to have caught on.

Let's see...which party backs the NRA....

if you notice his opinion pretty much got ignored.

[Robert]

I guess we shouldn't be concerned about the marches across the country the elimination of the second amendment or the banning of guns the money given to kids from many company as well as private and celeb donations. The fact that the kids joined with the women's march, black lives matter and other groups. NOPE nothing to see here and no problem. 

[Gavin_Sons]

Ever since we stopped spanking our kids and giving them trophies for everything is when all of this started. This is not a gun issue, never was a gun issue and never will be a gun issue. Stop arresting parents for spanking their kids. If my kids act up they get spanked, anyone that tells me i am wrong and brave enough to do it to my face would probably get an ass whoopin also. I don't beat my kids but sometimes they need a little punishment to know they did wrong. If you let them get away with everything you will have a school shooter on your hands. 

[northernvalk]

Well Said 

[Hooter]

Gavin: Truer words have never been spoken. You CAN spank your kids, you CAN'T beat them. The schools have it hammered into the kids that their parents can't touch them. That is so untrue. Parents have been bamboozled!

Not all, but some parents are so busy trying to be buddy buddy with their kids instead of being a parent there is no guidance in the home or in society in general. Who suffers, the child!

[Robert]

This is the real answer to why care about kids and why to not surrender any rights.

This is a quote:

"When they give us that inch that Bump stock ban we will take a mile we are not here for bread crumbs."

Short video, but says it all.

Parkland student and MarchForOurLives speaker Delaney Tarr “When they give us that inch,

https://youtu.be/9ORCmn3snhY

If you had any doubt at all what was the intention of this march or feel somewhat warm and fuzzy over this then at least if you still feel warm and fuzzy it will be because you want guns confiscated and banned, period. You want to remove a constitutional right from the American public.

BTW only less than 10% were under 18 that were in the protests so its not kids.

Parkland Anti-Gun Activist’s David Hogg's Next Crusade: Opposing Voter Identification Laws

and a bit of irony

Rapper Who Performed At ‘March For Our Lives’ Was Arrested Last Year For Carrying A Concealed Weapon

[Gavin_Sons]

They are actually marching for more restrictions on their rights. How about they want safer schools but when their own school enforces a clear backpack rule they throw a fit.

[Robert]

They are actually marching for more restrictions on their rights. How about they want safer schools but when their own school enforces a clear backpack rule they throw a fit.

Good point maybe it can be used as a bargaining chip.

[Gavin_Sons]

They are actually marching for more restrictions on their rights. How about they want safer schools but when their own school enforces a clear backpack rule they throw a fit.

Good point maybe it can be used as a bargaining chip.

I don't bargain with domestic terrorist

[Gavin_Sons]

https://youtu.be/avoFkTfNz2A

[Robert]

I don't bargain with domestic terrorist

Agreed 

[The emperor has no clothes]

I believe the Patriots plane was taking some from Florida to D.C. Compliments of Kraft.

As if the good and decent people of this country needed yet another reason to hate the Patriots... 

I'm no fan of the Patriots. But, I think he explains his reason pretty well in this article. Evidently some of the wounded kids were not allowed to fly commercially. He was asked if he could help them. Seems pretty admirable for a guy who supports Trump to me.
https://sports.yahoo.com/patriots-owner-bob-kraft-explains-didnt-hesitate-lend-plan-march-lives-rally-212759572.html

[baldo]

I believe the Patriots plane was taking some from Florida to D.C. Compliments of Kraft.

As if the good and decent people of this country needed yet another reason to hate the Patriots... 

I'm no fan of the Patriots. But, I think he explains his reason pretty well in this article. Evidently some of the wounded kids were not allowed to fly commercially. He was asked if he could help them. Seems pretty admirable for a guy who supports Trump to me.
https://sports.yahoo.com/patriots-owner-bob-kraft-explains-didnt-hesitate-lend-plan-march-lives-rally-212759572.html

Mr Kraft has continually shown himself to be very generous in countless ways. Living in New England you hear about it more than you would in other areas, I expect. He's held in pretty high esteem around these parts.

[Robert]

From the article:

 It wasn’t quite a call for gun control, but New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft had a message for Washington politicians Monday: Something needs to be fixed in the wake of the Parkland (Florida) school shooting, and he’s applauding the students who are pressing for meaningful legislation.

The Patriots owner said Monday from the NFL owner’s meetings that he contributed his plane after being reached by retired astronaut Mark Kelly, a family friend who is the husband of former Representative Gabby Giffords,who suffered partial paralysis from a 2011 shooting.

So while I applaud his benevolence its not without a platform.

One child needed a wheel chair lift and needed to have his foot up.

[headpeon]

Can't quite understand why a bunch of grown ups on a motorcycle forum are so concerned of the kid movement that they have to denigrate them? They aren't hurting you any... or are they?

I almost forgot that they are going to be a huge force at the polls in a few years and you know how that younger generation is, what one does they pretty much all do and it sure looks to have caught on.

Let's see...which party backs the NRA....

if you notice his opinion pretty much got ignored.

I might be ignored but I'll bet the kids won't be.

That's the new way now you don't like something call it fake news and deny it. Or call it the fault of the left. Or on most forums they get a little childish and say "liberals" or some other stupid insult. I suppose since our Prez is that way, it's all right for our country and that may be a big reason why we get anywhere now.

I'm pretty much a middle of the road guy and personally am not against guns but don't particularly like the NRA as I think they use bully tactics and buy politicians. I am also not a fan of huge deficits but it doesn't matter what party you belong to they are going to happen because nobody can stomach the cuts that are necessary.

Not trying to start a range war but are you guys all right with the way Trump acts with his childish insults and his constant lying? Are you going to be ok with $4 a gallon gas and the further losses of everything we've gained the last several years in the economy again after we go to war?

[Gavin_Sons]

What exactly have we gained the last several years?

[Robert]

What exactly have we gained the last several years?

My thoughts exactly.

I would say we have lost considering the middle class has lost numbers and the 1% has gained numbers.

I would be interested how you think gas will be 4.00 since we have become one of the major oil exporting countries. If you say Trump will get us into a war, I was much more worried when Obama was the head since he was not respected among other countries. Obama had been removing the funding for the military and Trump is increasing it.

[Willow]

People will see what they choose to see.  We'll even cross our eyes if it makes things look a little more like we want them to look.

I don't see us losing anything that we "gained" over the past few years, well, certainly not much if any.  I don't see President Trump repeatedly lying.  I find the President's mode of communication a little annoying at times but then it is refreshing that He's not one of the politicians we've become accustomed to who are so careful about their image and say just what they think their constituents want to hear.

Whenever I'm bothered a little by anything that comes out of the presidency I just take a moment to look back and guess what it might have been had the election gone otherwise and then I consider that worst case we have Mike Pence in the Vice President's seat.  I'm happy.     

[The emperor has no clothes]

People will see what they choose to see.   I don't see President Trump repeatedly lying. 

[Jess from VA]

I don't see President Trump repeatedly lying.

I don't either Carl.  Not at all.  

Ditto the the annoying constant social media comms, but it is really so much more refreshing than the polished nonstop BS (and documented lying) we could have expected from the alternative (and predecessor).

Wailing is not necessarily lying at all, but it can still be annoying.  So it goes.  

[Gavin_Sons]

I guess Obama did have his name signed to the action that got Bin Laden. I'll give him that one. But it would be hard to reverse that since as far as I know we cant bring anyone back from the dead yet.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I don't see President Trump repeatedly lying.

I don't either Carl.  Not at all.  

Ditto the the annoying constant social media comms, but it is really so much more refreshing than the polished nonstop BS (and documented lying) we could have expected from the alternative (and predecessor).

Wailing is not necessarily lying at all, but it can still be annoying.  So it goes.  

Here is a starter course for you to peruse. It’s only 9 pages of “untruths”.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/?page=2

[headpeon]

You guys are right, we do see things differently.

Has not the stock market went up considerably the last few years with quite a few added jobs and 401K's gaining value, that is if you have one.

I just threw that # out there about gas but you know for a fact, we go into another stupid mid-east war that oil will go up and we all be paying quite a bit more for gas. To think otherwise is foolish.

Yes I think this president is a charlatan and a buffoon but I guess that's ok as long as he's a republican. And, robot Pence, I'm from Indiana and we were so glad to get rid of him. If there was ever a hypocrite.

[Skinhead]

I'm pretty much a middle of the road guy and personally am not against guns but don't particularly like the NRA as I think they use bully tactics and buy politicians. I am also not a fan of huge deficits but it doesn't matter what party you belong to they are going to happen because nobody can stomach the cuts that are necessary.

Ok, If the NRA is the problem, I have a solution, to most of the problem(s).  Starting tomorrow, make ALL Lobbying illegal!  And Speaking of lairs,, Barry said he was not going to allow lobbyist  access to his administration.  

So, lobbying is now illegal, no NRA, Big Pharma, Oil, coal, union, etc money flowing into the pockets of our elected officials.  Boy, talk about a pay cut.  I think we would see the repeal of the 2nd before we would see the end of lobbyists.

[Gavin_Sons]

You guys are right, we do see things differently.

Has not the stock market went up considerably the last few years with quite a few added jobs and 401K's gaining value, that is if you have one.

I just threw that # out there about gas but you know for a fact, we go into another stupid mid-east war that oil will go up and we all be paying quite a bit more for gas. To think otherwise is foolish.

Yes I think this president is a charlatan and a buffoon but I guess that's ok as long as he's a republican. And, robot Pence, I'm from Indiana and we were so glad to get rid of him. If there was ever a hypocrite.

Where at in Indiana?

[Pete]

I don't see President Trump repeatedly lying.

I don't either Carl.  Not at all.  

Ditto the the annoying constant social media comms, but it is really so much more refreshing than the polished nonstop BS (and documented lying) we could have expected from the alternative (and predecessor).

Wailing is not necessarily lying at all, but it can still be annoying.  So it goes.  

Here is a starter course for you to peruse. It’s only 9 pages of “untruths”.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/?page=2

When you get Politifact's thumb off the scale the general public may start to believe them (and you).
Citing a known bias-ed website is not a way to impress.

[Gavin_Sons]

I don't see President Trump repeatedly lying.

I don't either Carl.  Not at all.  

Ditto the the annoying constant social media comms, but it is really so much more refreshing than the polished nonstop BS (and documented lying) we could have expected from the alternative (and predecessor).

Wailing is not necessarily lying at all, but it can still be annoying.  So it goes.  

Here is a starter course for you to peruse. It’s only 9 pages of “untruths”.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/?page=2

When you get Politifact's thumb off the scale the general public may start to believe them (and you).
Citing a known bias-ed website is not a way to impress.

They should rename it politifiction or politifalse

[The emperor has no clothes]

I don't see President Trump repeatedly lying.

I don't either Carl.  Not at all.  

Ditto the the annoying constant social media comms, but it is really so much more refreshing than the polished nonstop BS (and documented lying) we could have expected from the alternative (and predecessor).

Wailing is not necessarily lying at all, but it can still be annoying.  So it goes.  

Here is a starter course for you to peruse. It’s only 9 pages of “untruths”.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/?page=2

When you get Politifact's thumb off the scale the general public may start to believe them (and you).
Citing a known bias-ed website is not a way to impress.

Did you read them ? If so, which are untrue ?

[Pete]

I don't see President Trump repeatedly lying.

I don't either Carl.  Not at all.  

Ditto the the annoying constant social media comms, but it is really so much more refreshing than the polished nonstop BS (and documented lying) we could have expected from the alternative (and predecessor).

Wailing is not necessarily lying at all, but it can still be annoying.  So it goes.  

Here is a starter course for you to peruse. It’s only 9 pages of “untruths”.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/?page=2

When you get Politifact's thumb off the scale the general public may start to believe them (and you).
Citing a known bias-ed website is not a way to impress.

Did you read them ? If so, which are untrue ?

Yes. - Much was half truths and misleading and misstatements.
Did you read it?  You should and research if you are going to cite it.
I am sorry Politifact gave up its credibility quite a while ago, I see some did not get the memo.
I would never use them as  a reference. I also would never use SNOPES for the same reasons.
Neither is un- biased or non political.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I don't see President Trump repeatedly lying.

I don't either Carl.  Not at all.  

Ditto the the annoying constant social media comms, but it is really so much more refreshing than the polished nonstop BS (and documented lying) we could have expected from the alternative (and predecessor).

Wailing is not necessarily lying at all, but it can still be annoying.  So it goes.  

Here is a starter course for you to peruse. It’s only 9 pages of “untruths”.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/?page=2

When you get Politifact's thumb off the scale the general public may start to believe them (and you).
Citing a known bias-ed website is not a way to impress.

Did you read them ? If so, which are untrue ?

Yes. - Much was half truths and misleading and misstatements.
Did you read it?  You should and research if you are going to cite it.
I am sorry Politifact gave up its credibility quite a while ago, I see some did not get the memo.
I would never use them as  a reference. I also would never use SNOPES for the same reasons.
Neither is un- biased or non political.

I only read 4 pages. I could find nothing inaccurate. 

[G-Man]

............you needed 3 things to vote. You needed to be male, a landowner, and a citizen. .............

That was here too, in the beginning.  Not sure about the citizen thing.

Being a land owner meant you were a tax payer.  There was no income tax.  This one intrigues me.  Where I live, it is becoming more and more urban.  With urbanization comes low income housing and apartment buildings (co-ops, condos, straight rentals), and more commercial areas.  NY is giving incredible tax breaks to businesses right now, and the rest, who utilize the services (schools, roads, library, parks, etc) are also paying very little, while the individual home/land owners are paying tens of thousands in property taxes.  And the former are starting to outnumber the latter.

So they, the folks who pay little or nothing into the system, get to have a vote that counts equal to those who they outnumber and pay all the bills.  Where's the fairness in that? 

And then those who pay little or nothing, complain that the real tax payers aren't paying enough.   

[Willow]

I don't see President Trump repeatedly lying.

I don't either Carl.  Not at all.  

Ditto the the annoying constant social media comms, but it is really so much more refreshing than the polished nonstop BS (and documented lying) we could have expected from the alternative (and predecessor).

Wailing is not necessarily lying at all, but it can still be annoying.  So it goes.  

Here is a starter course for you to peruse. It’s only 9 pages of “untruths”.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/?page=2

When you get Politifact's thumb off the scale the general public may start to believe them (and you).
Citing a known bias-ed website is not a way to impress.

Did you read them ? If so, which are untrue ?

Yes. - Much was half truths and misleading and misstatements.
Did you read it?  You should and research if you are going to cite it.
I am sorry Politifact gave up its credibility quite a while ago, I see some did not get the memo.
I would never use them as  a reference. I also would never use SNOPES for the same reasons.
Neither is un- biased or non political.

I only read 4 pages. I could find nothing inaccurate. 

That should speak loudly of and to you.  "I read four pages of a completely biased website and could find nothing inaccurate." 

I didn't read it when you initially presented it but out of respect for your assessment I sampled after your second claim.  I only went through the first couple of pages but found it total hogwash.

People will choose to believe what they choose to believe often with complete disregard to the truth.

In fairness I did find some of the lists of President Obama's untruths also rather ridiculous.  The couple that mattered to me were references to keeping the healthcare provider that you liked and that Americans would be paying less for healthcare.

I'm working on a proposal to make the voting public more responsible.  It will disallow voting from those who are largely dependent upon government giveaways, those with IQs measured less than 50 and butchers.   

[The emperor has no clothes]

I don't see President Trump repeatedly lying.

I don't either Carl.  Not at all.  

Ditto the the annoying constant social media comms, but it is really so much more refreshing than the polished nonstop BS (and documented lying) we could have expected from the alternative (and predecessor).

Wailing is not necessarily lying at all, but it can still be annoying.  So it goes.  

Here is a starter course for you to peruse. It’s only 9 pages of “untruths”.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/?page=2

When you get Politifact's thumb off the scale the general public may start to believe them (and you).
Citing a known bias-ed website is not a way to impress.

Did you read them ? If so, which are untrue ?

Yes. - Much was half truths and misleading and misstatements.
Did you read it?  You should and research if you are going to cite it.
I am sorry Politifact gave up its credibility quite a while ago, I see some did not get the memo.
I would never use them as  a reference. I also would never use SNOPES for the same reasons.
Neither is un- biased or non political.

I only read 4 pages. I could find nothing inaccurate. 

That should speak loudly of and to you.  "I read four pages of a completely biased website and could find nothing inaccurate." 

I didn't read it when you initially presented it but out of respect for your assessment I sampled after your second claim.  I only went through the first couple of pages but found it total hogwash.

People will choose to believe what they choose to believe often with complete disregard to the truth.

In fairness I did find some of the lists of President Obama's untruths also rather ridiculous.  The couple that mattered to me were references to keeping the healthcare provider that you liked and that Americans would be paying less for healthcare.

I'm working on a proposal to make the voting public more responsible.  It will disallow voting from those who are largely dependent upon government giveaways, those with IQs measured less than 50 and butchers.   

I’m still waiting for some evidence of what you guys find untrue. Countering with “Obama lied” doesn’t really cut it. (Respectfully your dumb butcher) 

[Skinhead]

I don't see President Trump repeatedly lying.

I don't either Carl.  Not at all. 

Ditto the the annoying constant social media comms, but it is really so much more refreshing than the polished nonstop BS (and documented lying) we could have expected from the alternative (and predecessor).

Wailing is not necessarily lying at all, but it can still be annoying.  So it goes.   

Here is a starter course for you to peruse. It’s only 9 pages of “untruths”.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/?page=2

When you get Politifact's thumb off the scale the general public may start to believe them (and you).
Citing a known bias-ed website is not a way to impress.

Did you read them ? If so, which are untrue ?

Yes. - Much was half truths and misleading and misstatements.
Did you read it?  You should and research if you are going to cite it.
I am sorry Politifact gave up its credibility quite a while ago, I see some did not get the memo.
I would never use them as  a reference. I also would never use SNOPES for the same reasons.
Neither is un- biased or non political.

I only read 4 pages. I could find nothing inaccurate. 

That should speak loudly of and to you.  "I read four pages of a completely biased website and could find nothing inaccurate." 

I didn't read it when you initially presented it but out of respect for your assessment I sampled after your second claim.  I only went through the first couple of pages but found it total hogwash.

People will choose to believe what they choose to believe often with complete disregard to the truth.

In fairness I did find some of the lists of President Obama's untruths also rather ridiculous.  The couple that mattered to me were references to keeping the healthcare provider that you liked and that Americans would be paying less for healthcare.

I'm working on a proposal to make the voting public more responsible.  It will disallow voting from those who are largely dependent upon government giveaways, those with IQs measured less than 50 and especiallybutchers.   

FIFY

[MP]

To me, there is a difference in the type of lie.
Saying for example, the moon is made of cheese, is a lie. However, it has no bearing on policy or our lives.

Saying you can keep your doctor, while selling the largest change in healthcare in history, is a lie that matters.

Politicians "lie" all the time. We all know it.

Judging the impact of that lie is up to us, the voter.

[The emperor has no clothes]

To me, there is a difference in the type of lie.
Saying for example, the moon is made of cheese, is a lie. However, it has no bearing on policy or our lives.

Saying you can keep your doctor, while selling the largest change in healthcare in history, is a lie that matters.

Politicians "lie" all the time. We all know it.

Judging the impact of that lie is up to us, the voter.

Agreed. But someone who needs to lie about little and big things continually must have reasons for it.

[Pete]

I don't see President Trump repeatedly lying.

I don't either Carl.  Not at all.  

Ditto the the annoying constant social media comms, but it is really so much more refreshing than the polished nonstop BS (and documented lying) we could have expected from the alternative (and predecessor).

Wailing is not necessarily lying at all, but it can still be annoying.  So it goes.  

Here is a starter course for you to peruse. It’s only 9 pages of “untruths”.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/?page=2

When you get Politifact's thumb off the scale the general public may start to believe them (and you).
Citing a known bias-ed website is not a way to impress.

Did you read them ? If so, which are untrue ?

Yes. - Much was half truths and misleading and misstatements.
Did you read it?  You should and research if you are going to cite it.
I am sorry Politifact gave up its credibility quite a while ago, I see some did not get the memo.
I would never use them as  a reference. I also would never use SNOPES for the same reasons.
Neither is un- biased or non political.

I only read 4 pages. I could find nothing inaccurate. 

Probably best I not reply, except to say use a little more effort.

[Motodad71]

Here is the real truth folks, regardless of what your stances/leanings are. The real issues at hand and what could/should be easily addressed and aggressively scrutinized and the main focus, is HOW and WHY are these shootings happening? How is it that easy to just walk into a school fully armed undetected, and notice how these shootings are happening in affluent areas and not inner city schools? So we have BLATANT failures of both the FBI and in particular the local law enforcement, they KNEW this kid was a bad egg about to crack. And now lets discuss who really has blood on their hands "in the Florida shooting"......the school district, the board, the superintendent. It's all due to politics folks and political correctness, and everyone is now terrified to speak out and or to actually take any action, due to potential lawsuits and such. As for the NRA who has "literally" never funded or killed any living soul, lets compare that to Planned parenthood who has "literally" killed and still killing at this very moment, and it is funded to do such. Where is the outrage, who is the voice for the countless innocents slaughtered each and every day and why isn't that a moral focus? Ya know....since it's all about the kids and such right? We have too many gun regulations as it is, and yes many of those which are effective are not being consistently enforced, there should be no "falling between the cracks". There are millions of AR15's in the hands of law abiding citizens "I am one of them", and we aren't the ones slaughtering innocent lives with them.

But the TRUTH is.......why the focus on scary black rifles, when they are only used about 1% of the time in any crime? Registration leads to confiscation, yet we have how many sanctuary cities giving asylum to criminals who aren't even supposed to be here, and too many are worried about guns? Kudos to these kids "well actually they are overwhelmingly adults", who are using their rights to peacefully protest.....but it is so misguided and HYPOCRITICAL. Inanimate objects don't kill on their own, the human element is always there........always. Yup some changes need to happen, but they most certainly are not towards firearms and the type of firearms. Personal accountability is the number one issue here, and there is much personal accountability in question. Lets also discuss the breakdown of families, there is most certainly a pattern to these shootings and that is at the top of the list. Adults are afraid to say something, kids are afraid to say something, anytime we see/hear of a suspicious person being suspicious......there are consequences.

When I was growing up in my hometown back in the 70's/80's/90's....divorce, out of wedlock pregnancy, drug use, violent crimes, school shootings......ALL UNHEARD OF. Now my hometown minus the school shootings, is totally overwhelmed by all of what I just mentioned. So here we are back to families failing, giving up, allowing their kids to be absolute heathens with no guidance or repercussions. My father told me as I also told my son, "I'm not your friend I am your Dad, but one of these days we can be both". So yeah I fully believe that as a society we are totally failing our kids, and the proof is in the pudding. If we all just did our job and duty, things would surely be better than they are now. Young minds are indoctrinated in schools and universities, and yes it is LIBERAL indoctrination and brain washing. We have 24/7 liberal biased/funded and focused media outlets, and we wonder why everything is so screwed up here? We somehow made it through 8 years of anti American propaganda and flat out treason, and we FINALLY have a president who gives a crap and trying to give this country back to the people. Yup he is plenty flawed, I actually like that a lot......he is REAL and he is the enemy of all the corrupt bureaucratic enemies within our own border. ANYONE that says we are not better now "under Trump" in many ways then we have been in a long time, is either in denial or totally blinded by hate and animosity. Drain that swamp, keep going after the irresponsible and unaccountable, and we all might just have a chance to truly MAGA. My rights trump feelings and emotions, it's time to get back to being a proud America again. Keep an eye on ole Barry, he is potentially more dangerous now than he was as president.....and he is ashamed of this country, he wants to burn it down.

[MAD6Gun]

 Well said motodad,well said.

 Cue the local liberals in denial.......in.... 3...... 2..... 1......

[Alpha Dog]

Here is the real truth folks, regardless of what your stances/leanings are. The real issues at hand and what could/should be easily addressed and aggressively scrutinized and the main focus, is HOW and WHY are these shootings happening? How is it that easy to just walk into a school fully armed undetected, and notice how these shootings are happening in affluent areas and not inner city schools? So we have BLATANT failures of both the FBI and in particular the local law enforcement, they KNEW this kid was a bad egg about to crack. And now lets discuss who really has blood on their hands "in the Florida shooting"......the school district, the board, the superintendent. It's all due to politics folks and political correctness, and everyone is now terrified to speak out and or to actually take any action, due to potential lawsuits and such. As for the NRA who has "literally" never funded or killed any living soul, lets compare that to Planned parenthood who has "literally" killed and still killing at this very moment, and it is funded to do such. Where is the outrage, who is the voice for the countless innocents slaughtered each and every day and why isn't that a moral focus? Ya know....since it's all about the kids and such right? We have too many gun regulations as it is, and yes many of those which are effective are not being consistently enforced, there should be no "falling between the cracks". There are millions of AR15's in the hands of law abiding citizens "I am one of them", and we aren't the ones slaughtering innocent lives with them.

But the TRUTH is.......why the focus on scary black rifles, when they are only used about 1% of the time in any crime? Registration leads to confiscation, yet we have how many sanctuary cities giving asylum to criminals who aren't even supposed to be here, and too many are worried about guns? Kudos to these kids "well actually they are overwhelmingly adults", who are using their rights to peacefully protest.....but it is so misguided and HYPOCRITICAL. Inanimate objects don't kill on their own, the human element is always there........always. Yup some changes need to happen, but they most certainly are not towards firearms and the type of firearms. Personal accountability is the number one issue here, and there is much personal accountability in question. Lets also discuss the breakdown of families, there is most certainly a pattern to these shootings and that is at the top of the list. Adults are afraid to say something, kids are afraid to say something, anytime we see/hear of a suspicious person being suspicious......there are consequences.

When I was growing up in my hometown back in the 70's/80's/90's....divorce, out of wedlock pregnancy, drug use, violent crimes, school shootings......ALL UNHEARD OF. Now my hometown minus the school shootings, is totally overwhelmed by all of what I just mentioned. So here we are back to families failing, giving up, allowing their kids to be absolute heathens with no guidance or repercussions. My father told me as I also told my son, "I'm not your friend I am your Dad, but one of these days we can be both". So yeah I fully believe that as a society we are totally failing our kids, and the proof is in the pudding. If we all just did our job and duty, things would surely be better than they are now. Young minds are indoctrinated in schools and universities, and yes it is LIBERAL indoctrination and brain washing. We have 24/7 liberal biased/funded and focused media outlets, and we wonder why everything is so screwed up here? We somehow made it through 8 years of anti American propaganda and flat out treason, and we FINALLY have a president who gives a crap and trying to give this country back to the people. Yup he is plenty flawed, I actually like that a lot......he is REAL and he is the enemy of all the corrupt bureaucratic enemies within our own border. ANYONE that says we are not better now "under Trump" in many ways then we have been in a long time, is either in denial or totally blinded by hate and animosity. Drain that swamp, keep going after the irresponsible and unaccountable, and we all might just have a chance to truly MAGA. My rights trump feelings and emotions, it's time to get back to being a proud America again. Keep an eye on ole Barry, he is potentially more dangerous now than he was as president.....and he is ashamed of this country, he wants to burn it down.

Very well stated Motodad.  There are many reasons but at the fore front is pure cultural rot served up steaming every day from you know where.  By the way I like that Iron Pony / Pony Powersports over there in your town.