Separation of families at the border: opinions?

[..]

As others have stated over and over and over but seems to be a concept hard to understand by some.

IT'S ILLEGAL TO ENTER THE USA ILLEGALLY.

In other words it's breaking the law.

For asylum you HAVE to go to a clearly defined PORT OF ENTRY.

You can't just cross the border at any point in the wilderness.

IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR YEARS!

[Bighead]

There are reports that many of the children dont even belong to the adults they are crossing with.
My take is you commit a crime ( Illegal Crossing ) you are detained. So what to do with the kids? You want them in jail with the adults? Or should we not put the adults in jail? And let them in freely?
I am in the way of thinking as serk ......but I dont think there are enough vehicles to transport them back.....many planes would be needed to get the people back to their country lf origin. Many crossing are Not Mexican. But from many countries that are getting into Mexico Illegally.



Oh and Savago you stating Sure to Britmans question is NOT an answer.

[Fla. Jim]

The Left on President Trumps "New" Executive order keeping children with their Illegal Alien Parents. There is no winning with the left. Unless you want to throw open all borders to whoever want to come. Even then they would find some new attack. Seems as though the"Russian" lie is going by the wayside. And the prostitute has faded from her 15 min. Image he might have bumped up against a dog when he was three or four and Peta will fire up the latest non-event.

"Instead of protecting traumatized children, the president has directed his attorney general to pave the way for the long-term incarceration of families in prison-like conditions," Pelosi said in a statement."



Trump cures Cancer!!!!!

[michaelyoung254]

There are reports that many of the children dont even belong to the adults they are crossing with.
My take is you commit a crime ( Illegal Crossing ) you are detained. So what to do with the kids? You want them in jail with the adults? Or should we not put the adults in jail? And let them in freely?
I am in the way of thinking as serk ......but I dont think there are enough vehicles to transport them back.....many planes would be needed to get the people back to their country lf origin. Many crossing are Not Mexican. But from many countries that are getting into Mexico Illegally.



Oh and Savago you stating Sure to Britmans question is NOT an answer.

If it is determined that they crossed the US - Mexico border, simply take them back to Mexico. They were in Mexico before illegally crossing into the US; therefore, they're Mexico's problem!

[Chrisj CMA]

If you don’t want to be separated from your kids, stay in your own country.
Try coming to our country the legal way.
Pretty simple,
Craig

Craig, this is true. But many are coming here to escape death from cartels and corrupt politicians. Surely we can find a more humane way to deal with them ?

Lots of the ones claiming asylum had to be coached.  They SAY they were in fear of their lives after the coaching on THIS side of the border.  Sure some are really running for their lives, they should be easy to spot if looking!

[f6john]

All this outrage over separating children in the company of adults who are breaking the law and yet we legalize the euthanasia of unborn children and they die under the most horrific of circumstances and the bleeding hearts who are doing nothing but politicizing the immigration situation are perfectly content to happen. Give me a break, the outrage is bulls£^t.

[firemedic309]

Being compassionate  and enabling are two different things. We can not just except every person who wants to come here and be taken care of . Most of us , if not all of us have worked very hard to get to where we are in life. We as a country have blessed abundantly by God. We trust in God . But how many of us leave our home ,our car or dare I say our bike with out properly caring for it and securing it!  What I am trying to say is I trust in God and I believe He wants me to use common sense. Lock my doors , take my keys and beware of my surroundings. I give back to my community in many ways, serve the homeless, give to charity's and also I am a public servant. I am not sure what the answer to immigration is but I do believe we need to work together, we need to control the flow of people into this country so we can take care of our own house before we can care for others.

[Pete]

Anyone in the country illegally should be immediately deported (all of them no exceptions).
At their expense first and ours last and they should be billed for the remainder. Barred for legal entry forever.

Second offense same unless they owe money for the first offense, then work house until the debt is paid including there food and housing during the work house experience and transport out of the country.

Third offense - they are not going to learn, and are to stupid to be al....................................... 

[Robert]

Photos of border detention facilities from the Obama-era, taken during 2014, look nearly identical to the ones taken during the Trump era.

You never see them, however. Here they are, taken in 2014 during a media tour of Obama-era detention facilities in Brownsville, Texas, and Nogales, Arizona.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/photos-obama-immigration-detention-facilities/

The kids in cages were from the Obama era that is the manipulation and push to divert the news from the prosecutions to say that its now instead of the Obama era.
 








 




While using kids in any form is bad, being manipulated by the media is even worse especially when our government was nearly taken over, the FBI is in turmoil with Strok being escorted from his job, Comey on his way out, Hillary may be prosecuted and so much more. We dont hear so many issues that are going on with kids like the Nigerians using kids as suicide bombers. Wake up this has been going on is a ploy and why did Hondurans cross Mexico and come to the US. Why didnt Mexico take them in, but they have immigration laws and good luck with that. Suckers.

This below is the real news because the Democrates during Obama and even now had and have the ability to change it but they didnt and dont, but it sure makes really good fodder for accusations.

McCabe Pleads Fifth Amendment, Comey And Lynch Refuse To Appear

Illegal Alien Confesses To Killing Prostitutes, Dumping Bodies In Street: Cops

Shooter Who Shot 17 People Was Released Early From Prison…For Murder

LIE ONE:
Trump Created Separation Of Children From Illegal Immigrant Parents. This is plainly false.

  In 1997, the federal government made an agreement in a case called Flores not to keep unaccompanied illegal immigrant children in custody beyond 20 days. The settlement said nothing about accompanied illegal immigrant children – children who crossed the border with their parents. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals then ruled that accompanied children also could not be held in custody under the terms of the settlement. This meant that the government either had to release whole families, or that the government had to separate parents from children.


If you want to read the rest of the truth here you go
https://www.dailywire.com/news/31980/media-are-lying-about-trump-separating-illegal-ben-shapiro

or


Blast From The Past: Obama Administration Handed Child Migrants Over To Human Traffickers

As detention centers became incapable of housing the massive influx of migrants, the Department of Health and Human Services started placing children into the care of sponsors who would oversee the minors until their bids for refugee status could be reviewed. But in many cases, officials failed to confirm whether the adults volunteering for this task were actually relatives or good Samaritans — and not unscrupulous egg farmers or child molesters. The department performed check-in visits at caretakers’ homes in only 5 percent of cases between 2013 and 2015, according to the report.

A question with an answer:

I want to ask all the one so concerned about these kids, where were you in 14,13,12 when this was going on? Why didnt you speakup then?

Could it be that you didnt know, ok so Obama and the media effectively stopped all the information being revealed. OK so the Obama admin was not as open or reported on by the media like Trump I guess. So what does that say about openness in the Obama admin.

Well heres your out and begs another question, why now?

Democratic Texas Rep. Henry Cuellar admitted Saturday that the Obama administration attempted to cover up the child migrant crisis occurring at the Souther border.

“It was kept very quiet under the Obama Administration. There were large numbers of people coming in. The Obama administration was trying to keep this quiet,” Cuellar told CNN’s Fredricka Whitfield.

Whitfield displayed a 2014 image of migrant children held in cages at a detention center, and Cuellar said that he released similar photos of children separated from their parents.

Cuellar added that the number of children being held at the border right now is similar to the amount during the Obama administration.

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/brad-wilmouth/2018/06/18/msnbc-panel-admits-obama-also-separated-immigrant-families


Hillary Calls Trump A Liar, Unchristian Over Family Separation In Immigration Policy But this happened on Hillarys watch and no one says anything about that, I wonder why????


Boko Haram Jihadists Use 6 Little Girls As Suicide Bombers In Nigeria…

Suspected Boko Haram jihadists using girls apparently aged as young as seven as suicide bombers killed 31 people in an attack on a town in northeast Nigeria, a local official and a militia leader said on Sunday.

The official cited the decapitated heads of the girls, found at the scene, as proof of their role in the attacks.

[NewValker]

Hey Rob,
what is your “humane” answer? Not trying to be a dick, just wondering.
What will it cost us?
When will it end? A date? A maximum number of illegals? And when it ends, won’t we be in the very same boat we are now?
And if we are more humane to illegals, what about all the other law breakers? They will surely  want more humane treatment, because after all, if illegals get it why can’t citizens?

I think the wall would be a cheaper, more humane way to solve this problem.
Just my .02
Craig

P.S. hope you’re having a great return trip!

[Jess from VA]

I have to tell you, I lived in dorm rooms and basement walkouts (and cockroach rentals) that were worse than those places.  And I had to pay to live in them. But hey, the cockroaches only came out at night.

And I've never seen vented porta johns.  Kinda detracts from the usual ambiance.

Sorry, but I am not repulsed at all.  May be crowded, but a clean, warm, dry and wholesome environment... for illegals.  And I bet no one starves either.

The fencing may look bad, but they wandered in and must not be allowed to wander out.

Besides a wall, and better security, and maybe more manpower, the truth is they will not stop coming until we we make it unpleasant enough for them.  I'm not sure how unpleasant that has to be, but that must be part of the program.   

[Robert]

If you really care about children and not just pushing a agenda then why not find out about this picture and what goes with it. OH wait I remember nothing happened till Trump was in office, OK now I get it.

[98valk]

immigration policy which protected this God given Great country was changed and destroyed and brought us today's event was done by Lynda Johnson and ted kenedy.  follow the money...who owns all of the support companies that provide for these illegals? (democrat votes)  how many extra agencies and govt workers got jobs? (again more democrat votes)...etc., etc.  how much is the UN behind all of this to weaken destroy this country which actually is the last country in their to implement their no boarders on world govt? 100% from UN info, I've read for the past 30 yrs along with the future predicted by the Bible. IMHO this country will be gone in 20 yrs another new generation will be in power like the hoggs of the world and sadly I will be here to see it.  most of the senate and congress have sold this country out to the UN globalists for they have been promised untold wealth and power for themselves and their future family generations.

[Oss]

Oss wades into the fray...............

If you want to skip just assume I agree with Serk, Robert and Jess but in any event

BUILD the freaking wall already. Cant do crap without it

Any organism without a cell membrane is a dead organism

It is the first line of defense.  it is the truth.

Our country needs borders that are enforced.  I believe the 2nd amendment requires armed militia of the states (you can call it the Arizona national guard if you like) to patrol the border
with assistance, not lawsuits from the central US govmt  Going back to the time of the Revolution and the French and Indian wars the border colonies had militias. Our time is like their time, just the players are different but the need the same or greater

We should have a place like Ellis Island somewhere at the border where all entering who are not citizens or with real visa must be required to stay while we sort out who is here properly and who is not and Keep the family together during this time

If not here legally they go back where they came Like immediately  If the person caught wanted asylum they had to get on line at an embassy like millions before them have done over the centuries

Just because some bleeding heart is offended does not change the fact that a criminal act is just that.
If a person comes illegally they then get deported  

When the pain of where you are is greater than the fear of where you are going then you move.  It isnt difficult and there is a price for decisions. That said there will be some who REALLY escaped death for what ever reason. The Ellis islands will afford time for those to get properly sponsored, pay a humongous fine and join the country

The camps were set up under OBAMA. No outrage then. Should be none now except for the racist liberals. Sad to say that sentence but its true. The kids are criminal accessories, they go back where they came from with their "parents"

Also we had three different presidents who did mass deportations  Look it up.  Sanctuary cities, no federal aid, including NY SF Seattle LA  If the south could not secede then neither can Pelosi.

Now all that said I am in favor of families being able to sponsor their families PROVIDED that can show they can give them employment and they will learn English and swear allegiance to our constitution.

That was always how it was and should be restored.  Its how we bring good people here. Isnt that the real goal  ?  We have to be like the inscription on lady liberty when it is appropriate and kick in the ass those who would harm us by abusing our kindness

There is indeed pure evil in the world and we must be vigilant while being kind.

[Robert]

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), 8 U.S.C. 1101 et seq., it is hereby ordered as follows:

Section 1.  Policy.  It is the policy of this Administration to rigorously enforce our immigration laws.  Under our laws, the only legal way for an alien to enter this country is at a designated port of entry at an appropriate time.  When an alien enters or attempts to enter the country anywhere else, that alien has committed at least the crime of improper entry and is subject to a fine or imprisonment under section 1325(a) of title 8, United States Code.  This Administration will initiate proceedings to enforce this and other criminal provisions of the INA until and unless Congress directs otherwise.  It is also the policy of this Administration to maintain family unity, including by detaining alien families together where appropriate and consistent with law and available resources.  It is unfortunate that Congress’s failure to act and court orders have put the Administration in the position of separating alien families to effectively enforce the law.


https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/affording-congress-opportunity-address-family-separation/


There you go Trump by executive order reverses policy and helps people when Congress wont act. I'm sure we will hear how grateful everyone is that Trump acted when others have not.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Hey Rob,
what is your “humane” answer? Not trying to be a dick, just wondering.
What will it cost us?
When will it end? A date? A maximum number of illegals? And when it ends, won’t we be in the very same boat we are now?
And if we are more humane to illegals, what about all the other law breakers? They will surely  want more humane treatment, because after all, if illegals get it why can’t citizens?

I think the wall would be a cheaper, more humane way to solve this problem.
Just my .02
Craig

P.S. hope you’re having a great return trip!

Thanks, Craig. The ride is going great. It is a very complex issue. Personally I think illegals should be deported. Those already here and those trying to cross. But for the people fleeing drug cartel violence and seeking asylum, I don’t think it’s going to cost us anymore to keep the families together during their proceedings. (I know you weren’t trying to be a dick) 

[Bighead]

Hey Rob,
what is your “humane” answer? Not trying to be a dick, just wondering.
What will it cost us?
When will it end? A date? A maximum number of illegals? And when it ends, won’t we be in the very same boat we are now?
And if we are more humane to illegals, what about all the other law breakers? They will surely  want more humane treatment, because after all, if illegals get it why can’t citizens?

I think the wall would be a cheaper, more humane way to solve this problem.
Just my .02
Craig

P.S. hope you’re having a great return trip!

Thanks, Craig. The ride is going great. It is a very complex issue. Personally I think illegals should be deported. Those already here and those trying to cross. But for the people fleeing drug cartel violence and seeking asylum, I don’t think it’s going to cost us anymore to keep the families together during their proceedings. (I know you weren’t trying to be a dick)  

Rob your post is confusing ....Illegals should be depoted...but families kept together.....so you want the kids in Jail?  And Illegal is Illegal fleeing cartels or what ever they are still Illegal and still need to go about it the correct way not crossing and not running  through the freakin Desert trying to get here without being known.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Hey Rob,
what is your “humane” answer? Not trying to be a dick, just wondering.
What will it cost us?
When will it end? A date? A maximum number of illegals? And when it ends, won’t we be in the very same boat we are now?
And if we are more humane to illegals, what about all the other law breakers? They will surely  want more humane treatment, because after all, if illegals get it why can’t citizens?

I think the wall would be a cheaper, more humane way to solve this problem.
Just my .02
Craig

P.S. hope you’re having a great return trip!

Thanks, Craig. The ride is going great. It is a very complex issue. Personally I think illegals should be deported. Those already here and those trying to cross. But for the people fleeing drug cartel violence and seeking asylum, I don’t think it’s going to cost us anymore to keep the families together during their proceedings. (I know you weren’t trying to be a dick)  

Rob your post is confusing ....Illegals should be depoted...but families kept together.....so you want the kids in Jail?  And Illegal is Illegal fleeing cartels or what ever they are still Illegal and still need to go about it the correct way not crossing and not running  through the freakin Desert trying to get here without being known.

Like I said to Craig, it’s a complicated issue. There are no doubt people with legitimate asylum issues. (And a lot of it is our making due to the drug issue in our country). I think a person trying to come into our country to get work to provide for their family, regardless of how understandable that is should be immediately deported. I think people fleeing death with legitimate claims of asylum should be able to keep their family together. If it turns out their claims are unfounded, deport them. It is immoral to separate children as a bargaining chip.

[Bighead]

I dont see it as a barganing chip....your All Mighty O did the same .....but not outrage.....if you comitt a crime no matter the reason you go to jail and are taken away from your children ....True?.....so why should it be different for people crossing our borders Illegally? Which is a  crime against the USA ...no?
Dont get me wrong I know and understand the kids have no fault in this but they are being cared for and will be reunited with their families.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I dont see it as a barganing chip....your All Mighty O did the same .....but not outrage.....if you comitt a crime no matter the reason you go to jail and are taken away from your children ....True?.....so why should it be different for people crossing our borders Illegally? Which is a  crime against the USA ...no?
Dont get me wrong I know and understand the kids have no fault in this but they are being cared for and will be reunited with their families.

"I hate the children being taken away," Trump said Friday morning. But Trump suggested Friday in an interview on Fox News' "Fox and Friends" he would not reverse his administration's policy unless Democrats agreed to his longstanding immigration priorities.


Sounds like our president views them as a bargaining chip.

[Serk]

Thanks, Craig. The ride is going great. It is a very complex issue. Personally I think illegals should be deported. Those already here and those trying to cross. But for the people fleeing drug cartel violence and seeking asylum, I don’t think it’s going to cost us anymore to keep the families together during their proceedings. (I know you weren’t trying to be a dick) 

The kids were being separated for their own safety. It's generally far better for juveniles to be housed together and not mixed in with adults.

[Bighead]

I dont see it as a barganing chip....your All Mighty O did the same .....but not outrage.....if you comitt a crime no matter the reason you go to jail and are taken away from your children ....True?.....so why should it be different for people crossing our borders Illegally? Which is a  crime against the USA ...no?
Dont get me wrong I know and understand the kids have no fault in this but they are being cared for and will be reunited with their families.

"I hate the children being taken away," Trump said Friday morning. But Trump suggested Friday in an interview on Fox News' "Fox and Friends" he would not reverse his administration's policy unless Democrats agreed to his longstanding immigration priorities.


Sounds like our president views them as a bargaining chip.

When did this law get enacted or passed? He is just doing what the LAW SAYS. Blame him all you wont but this is NOT a Trump issue as the MSM is making it out to be.  All are saying his Policy....which it is not.....people need to wake up.
ZERO TOLERANCE MEANS JUST THAT.
would you rather see the kids in jail? After all they are too breaking the law.(willingly or not) (knowing better or not)..but no  child will be charged as such. 

[Alpha Dog]

If you don’t want to be separated from your kids, stay in your own country.
Try coming to our country the legal way.
Pretty simple,
Craig

Craig, this is true. But many are coming here to escape death from cartels and corrupt politicians. Surely we can find a more humane way to deal with them ?

Lots of the ones claiming asylum had to be coached.  They SAY they were in fear of their lives after the coaching on THIS side of the border.  Sure some are really running for their lives, they should be easy to spot if looking!

Indeed.  I know I heard a small snid bit 2 days ago when CBS went down there and broadcast  kids crying  Mommy   Daddy, all the time with, of course, crocodile tears which is always a must for a progressive.   My gosh,  for coming from such deprived conditions these kids  already know at least 2 languages.  It is pretty hard to find a kid in this country ( and adult ) that knows 2 languages.


Or to the perceptive mind  - is something else in play?

Also most of these children came with out their parents.  Unknown to these children is that the MS 13 gangs and such that get them here, will turn them into sex slaves and child labor for there affiliated crime organizations.

[Alpha Dog]

Oss wades into the fray...............

If you want to skip just assume I agree with Serk, Robert and Jess but in any event

BUILD the freaking wall already. Cant do crap without it

Any organism without a cell membrane is a dead organism

It is the first line of defense.  it is the truth.

Our country needs borders that are enforced.  I believe the 2nd amendment requires armed militia of the states (you can call it the Arizona national guard if you like) to patrol the border
with assistance, not lawsuits from the central US govmt  Going back to the time of the Revolution and the French and Indian wars the border colonies had militias. Our time is like their time, just the players are different but the need the same or greater

We should have a place like Ellis Island somewhere at the border where all entering who are not citizens or with real visa must be required to stay while we sort out who is here properly and who is not and Keep the family together during this time

If not here legally they go back where they came Like immediately  If the person caught wanted asylum they had to get on line at an embassy like millions before them have done over the centuries

Just because some bleeding heart is offended does not change the fact that a criminal act is just that.
If a person comes illegally they then get deported  

When the pain of where you are is greater than the fear of where you are going then you move.  It isnt difficult and there is a price for decisions. That said there will be some who REALLY escaped death for what ever reason. The Ellis islands will afford time for those to get properly sponsored, pay a humongous fine and join the country

The camps were set up under OBAMA. No outrage then. Should be none now except for the racist liberals. Sad to say that sentence but its true. The kids are criminal accessories, they go back where they came from with their "parents"

Also we had three different presidents who did mass deportations  Look it up.  Sanctuary cities, no federal aid, including NY SF Seattle LA  If the south could not secede then neither can Pelosi.

Now all that said I am in favor of families being able to sponsor their families PROVIDED that can show they can give them employment and they will learn English and swear allegiance to our constitution.

That was always how it was and should be restored.  Its how we bring good people here. Isnt that the real goal  ?  We have to be like the inscription on lady liberty when it is appropriate and kick in the ass those who would harm us by abusing our kindness

There is indeed pure evil in the world and we must be vigilant while being kind.

Very, very well thought out OSS, and I concur.  The inscription on Lady Liberty was not put on the statue by the French and was not their intention.   It was from a poem written by Emma Lasarus in some contest I think, however it has stuck .   The statue should be and I think was intended to be a beacon to the world to see what America has done and to try and imulate this in you own lands where you have a common culture.  Let freedom ring in your house.

We could possibly settle this matter, not totally, but to a large extent if we used political and economic pressure on Mexico to not let these folks come through, but instead to stop them at the southern Mexico border.  My step daughter last fall went to live in Tiajuana with a Mexican citizen.  She is in the medical field and soon found work in San Diego.  One day in January while crossing back into Mexico they put her in cuffs and deported her back to the U.S.  Mexico could stop this nonsense if they wanted too and pressure should be exerted on them capitulate.

[Alberta Patriot]

Keep the families together.

Deport them all IMMEDIATELY to their country of origin.

Take fingerprints and DNA of all who attempt to enter illegally, and put a lifetime ban on them EVER getting legal status.

Tighten up our amnesty laws, our generosity and overly trusting nature is being abused right now, and this must stop.

Welcome those who choose to enter legally and jump through the necessarily difficult hoops to do so with open arms, and when or if they earn their citizenship, greet them as fellow Americans.

Serk,
Sadly, you are one of only a few sane people on here about this subject.  It's really sad when people on here cannot have compassion for the kids.  Yes, a crime is committed, but how you handle the punishment reveals your nature.

Pass them right through to Canada. That's the ticket. Show your compassion. Get in touch with your Govt and tell 'em you'll pick up the tab for the flight, accommodation, food etc

Go on and then show us your email/letter telling your Govt. Go on.

Make me laugh.

Pass the through to Canada???Hell no...just Ottawa Canada and preferably to bscrives address if he is willing to show several thousand lawbreakers some Liberal "mercy"...
These people are illegal...and for those who may not "Get It"...that means they entered a sovereign country without that country's permission...lock em' up and if they intentionally involved their children in that crime, charge them with aiding and abetting as well. Here in Canada, intentionally involving a minor in a crime is an indictable offence, and if that minor is your child social services may come knocking and remove said minor from your custody.

[The emperor has no clothes]

My opinion, the kids will be fine.  How much do you remember from before you were 10 years old?  And after 10 years old you probably didn't hang out with your parents much anyway.  Aside from that, where the children are being held is much more comfortable than the experience they had getting to the border.  

What an asinine thing to say.

Yep,, and I remember tons from before I was 10. Thankfully all of it is good.

I had a great childhood. But my Mom left my Dad, me and my two brothers when I was 5. (She eventually came back) Even though I still had my Dad, it was traumatic. Anybody who thinks these kids aren’t being hurt by this don’t have any idea.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

I'm with Oss, Serk and several others on this for the most part.

However, I think the degree that these people are being used as pawns is repulsive and nauseating. The Washington Dems want as many as possible crossing our border with children to embarrass Trump and his side. They want the border open to bring in more people who they think will vote for them. But they actually care nothing about these children and adults, they are just a tool to be manipulated as are the immigrants already here. They care nothing about the fate of these people, only how they can profit from it.

Compassion for these people demands that the wall gets built and our borders get secured as soon as humanly possible. These people are only going through this misery because they have been led to believe they can break into our country and get by with staying. Those who encourage this behavior for political purposes are the ones to blame for this. They should lay awake, filled with guilt every night for the rest of their lives but I doubt they have the humanity to do so.

As far as getting the illegals out of our country.  Those who have grown up in our country because they were brought here as children should be given an easy path to citizenship after the wall is built and the border secured as long as they are not criminals.

To send otherwise American young adults alone into Mexico to fend for themselves would be absolutely wrong. Trump could and should guarantee he will support granting them citizenship once the border is secured, but not before. To do so before the border is secured would encourage more to break into our country.

[Savago]

As happens in the USA when someone breaks the law and goes to jail THEY DO NOT get to play happy families whilst in jail unless it's visiting time.

I take from your answer that you are ok with separating the families.

Now is my turn... as I wrote: "... all of the above is wrong or a plain lie.", emphasis on the 'or'.

To make it even clearer:
a) Lie. This policy was started in the current administration.
b) Wrong. It is imoral to separate the families. Keep them together and deport them, like Serk suggested.
c) Lie. Ask any regular kid (Latino or not) if they prefer to stay arrested with their family or be locked in a warehouse by themselves and unable to talk to their parents.
d) Lie. It is statistically impossible that all the near 2000 kids separated from their families were smuggled by thugs. May it have happened once or twice? Probably. That won't justify to use this policy as the 'default'.

It is clear that is all about sending a message to the world that any ilegal will have their kids taken from them. Now the administration is dealing with the blowback as usual: blaming everyone else (Democrats, congress, etc) and lacking the balls to assume responsibility.

Pro-tip: when you write in UPPERCASE that means that you are screaming in the web. It is poor form.

[..]

As happens in the USA when someone breaks the law and goes to jail THEY DO NOT get to play happy families whilst in jail unless it's visiting time.

I take from your answer that you are ok with separating the families.

Now is my turn... as I wrote: "... all of the above is wrong or a plain lie.", emphasis on the 'or'.

To make it even clearer:
a) Lie. This policy was started in the current administration.
b) Wrong. It is imoral to separate the families. Keep them together and deport them, like Serk suggested.
c) Lie. Ask any regular kid (Latino or not) if they prefer to stay arrested with their family or be locked in a warehouse by themselves and unable to talk to their parents.
d) Lie. It is statistically impossible that all the near 2000 kids separated from their families were smuggled by thugs. May it have happened once or twice? Probably. That won't justify to use this policy as the 'default'.

It is clear that is all about sending a message to the world that any ilegal will have their kids taken from them. Now the administration is dealing with the blowback as usual: blaming everyone else (Democrats, congress, etc) and lacking the balls to assume responsibility.

Pro-tip: when you write in UPPERCASE that means that you are screaming in the web. It is poor form.

I'm sure your opinions are as valuable as mine.

[Robert]

So read below and tell us who actually started this and why they didn't settle in Mexico


 The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals then ruled that accompanied children also could not be held in custody under the terms of the settlement. This meant that the government either had to release whole families, or that the government had to separate parents from children.


Obama Approves Plan to Let Children in Central America Apply for Refugee Status Sept. 30, 2014

WASHINGTON — President Obama has approved a plan to allow several thousand young children from Central American countries to apply for refugee status in the United States, providing a legal path for some of them to join family members already living in America, White House officials said Tuesday.

The program is aimed at helping to discourage many children from making a long, dangerous trek across Mexico in an attempt to cross into the United States and join their parents. The idea was first presented to Mr. Obama at the height of the summer’s border crisis, when tens of thousands of young children from El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras were pouring across the border from Mexico and presenting themselves to American border patrol agents as refugees fleeing from rape and gang violence.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/01/us/obama-approves-plan-to-let-children-apply-for-refugee-status-in-central-america.html

[bscrive]

Keep the families together.

Deport them all IMMEDIATELY to their country of origin.

Take fingerprints and DNA of all who attempt to enter illegally, and put a lifetime ban on them EVER getting legal status.

Tighten up our amnesty laws, our generosity and overly trusting nature is being abused right now, and this must stop.

Welcome those who choose to enter legally and jump through the necessarily difficult hoops to do so with open arms, and when or if they earn their citizenship, greet them as fellow Americans.

Serk,
Sadly, you are one of only a few sane people on here about this subject.  It's really sad when people on here cannot have compassion for the kids.  Yes, a crime is committed, but how you handle the punishment reveals your nature.

Pass them right through to Canada. That's the ticket. Show your compassion. Get in touch with your Govt and tell 'em you'll pick up the tab for the flight, accommodation, food etc

Go on and then show us your email/letter telling your Govt. Go on.

Make me laugh.

Pass the through to Canada???Hell no...just Ottawa Canada and preferably to bscrives address if he is willing to show several thousand lawbreakers some Liberal "mercy"...
These people are illegal...and for those who may not "Get It"...that means they entered a sovereign country without that country's permission...lock em' up and if they intentionally involved their children in that crime, charge them with aiding and abetting as well. Here in Canada, intentionally involving a minor in a crime is an indictable offence, and if that minor is your child social services may come knocking and remove said minor from your custody.

Obviously, you and Britman never learned how to read properly.  I agreed with Serk, but for some reason you two think that I want them released.    I think that you two should learn to read someone's comment fully before you comment.  I guess you believe Serk should have them in his house as well.  All I added is that you should have compassion for the kids, but I guess you guys don't have any.  You two are truly sad individuals if that is the case.  

[Robert]

Look at the date the numbers and what do we see? That Trump does not have to blame anyone, the blame squarely lies with the Obama administration not taking the steps needed to stop illegal immigration, not building a wall, not stopping the courts from separating families and advertising DACA to so as to say come on in, no problem. 


Fact Tank - Our Lives in Numbers
November 20, 2014

Unauthorized immigrants from Mexico account for two-thirds of those who will be eligible for deportation relief under President Obama’s executive action, even as they account for about half of the nation’s unauthorized population, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis. This posting has been updated with a revised total of 3.9 million unauthorized immigrants affected by the president’s action,

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/11/20/those-from-mexico-will-benefit-most-from-obamas-executive-action/

2014 American immigration crisis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_American_immigration_crisis

The 2014 American immigration crisis was a surge in unaccompanied children and women from the Northern Triangle of Central America (NTCA) seeking entrance to the United States in 2014

Obama seeks change to law that protects immigrant kids
Published 12:00 p.m. ET July 2, 2014 | Updated 7:02 p.m. ET July 2, 2014
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/07/02/immigration-obama-deportation-children-border/11915723/

[Robert]

CNN presents the truth about the seperation issue if anyone cares to be informed and not bias


https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/18/politics/donald-trump-immigration-policies-q-and-a/index.html

A 1997 court settlement agreed to by the US government in a case called Flores v. Reno, which remains in effect today,

The 2008 Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act, signed by President George W. Bush, codified parts of the settlement into federal law.

An appeals court in 2016 affirmed that Flores applied to all children but reversed the ruling that parents should be released as well.

Operation Streamline was extended to some other Border Patrol sectors and continued under the Obama administration, reaching a peak 97,000 criminal prosecutions in 2013.


As this has been an ongoing problem Trump has made headway but it is Congress that needs to make policy on this issue and they refuse to do it, so its not Trump against anyone, its Trump enforcing rules that are on the books.

The Trump administration has decided to refer every person caught crossing the border illegally for federal prosecution, a policy that could result in the separation of far more parents from their children at the border.

With troubles in South America and the fact that many US citizens have been killed at the hands of illegals and that MS 13 is among those coming in and its known that the first offense at crossing is a misdemeanor the second is a felony why should anyone cross or expect Trump not to protect US citizens when Congress doesn't act?

Trump ran on protecting US citizens, Congress has failed to make good policy on this issue, Trump is enforcing the law and keeping campaign promises and not compromising the safety and welfare of the citizens of the US. So why blame Trump? Trump did not write new laws, compromise existing laws he only enforced the laws on the books. So now who is to blame?

No other country allows free access to come in, it costs the US billions of dollars to provide free services and lodging. It displaces US workers when they take the jobs that should be a job for a US citizen and there are many who PAID big money to become US citizens, what about being fair to those that did it right?



The message is clear, DHS Sec. Nielsen: We Have A Simple Message, “We Will Prosecute You” If You Enter The U.S. Illegally

Dont come illegally, dont force your children to come alone, dont give them to anyone else to bring, dont break the law. That seems pretty simple, dont overwhelm the system especially with the numbers that are coming in.

Democrat's good job of dividing the country 

[mbramley]

 I'm new to this but I wanted to point out a couple of things here. First it is obvious from reading here that as Americans (myself included) we do not know what our laws say. Our system is so complex that people spend a lifetime studying them and still argue over what is "the law". So if we do not know what the law says how can you expect someone from another country to understand it. They are going by hearsay just like many of us do. Also if they attempt to go thru the proper channels the cartels are embedded in the governments so them and their families are targeted and killed or worse. As far as MS-13 from the research I have done that is a gang that started in California. Not saying it doesn't have ties in Mexico but it is home grown.  Don't get me wrong either, I am not saying open our borders, but this way more complicated than can be solved over a beer and a shot. In short I don't see why the families have to be separated.  I say this on to regular of a basis anymore, just because you can do something doesn't necessarily mean you should. (I have forgotten who originally said that.) This is a topic that the more I try to learn about the more I find I need to learn.

[Valkorado]

This is a topic that the more I try to learn about the more I find I need to learn.

Yes.  No offense.

[¿spoom]

I'm new to this but I wanted to point out a couple of things here. First it is obvious from reading here that as Americans (myself included) we do not know what our laws say. Our system is so complex that people spend a lifetime studying them and still argue over what is "the law". So if we do not know what the law says how can you expect someone from another country to understand it. They are going by hearsay just like many of us do. Also if they attempt to go thru the proper channels the cartels are embedded in the governments so them and their families are targeted and killed or worse. As far as MS-13 from the research I have done that is a gang that started in California. Not saying it doesn't have ties in Mexico but it is home grown.  Don't get me wrong either, I am not saying open our borders, but this way more complicated than can be solved over a beer and a shot. In short I don't see why the families have to be separated.  I say this on to regular of a basis anymore, just because you can do something doesn't necessarily mean you should. (I have forgotten who originally said that.) This is a topic that the more I try to learn about the more I find I need to learn.

They don't need to be separated if they are immediately returned, but it's been turned into a big game between those who don't want to enforce laws they don't like (but have been unable to change) and those who think the only problem is lack of enforcement. We'd all know more about the law if by and large, the media hadn't taken sides ys just reporting on it. There are entire media networks that insist that the term illegal alien is not to be used and only "migrant" is acceptable. That's a non-starter with me.

[baldo]

I just read that this EO is only for 20 days?

Is that true?

Then what?

[¿spoom]

There are reports that many of the children dont even belong to the adults they are crossing with.
My take is you commit a crime ( Illegal Crossing ) you are detained. So what to do with the kids? You want them in jail with the adults? Or should we not put the adults in jail? And let them in freely?
I am in the way of thinking as serk ......but I dont think there are enough vehicles to transport them back.....many planes would be needed to get the people back to their country lf origin. Many crossing are Not Mexican. But from many countries that are getting into Mexico Illegally.



Oh and Savago you stating Sure to Britmans question is NOT an answer.

Mexico used to be fairly inflexible with illegal aliens coming INTO Mexico from the south-they jailed them and charged money for them to be released back to their families. Of late, they seem to be letting many pass through Mexico once they've determined they are only passing through to sneak into the US and not to be a burden to Mexico. Many end up relieved of most of their money & possessions along the way, though. Mexico is not a friend or ally to the US, they only see value in the money that can be obtained from within our borders.

[¿spoom]

FWIW, the Democrats could have passed any immigration law they wished in 2008, but chose to use their efforts to heavily subsidize the health insurance industry. Since then we had 6-7 years where Obama insisted on all or nothing (so he got nothing) and for the last year we've seen no push to change the laws, only increased pushback from some to ignore them. 

[Moonshot_1]

I just read that this EO is only for 20 days?

Is that true?

Then what?

I would hope that the Legislative branch which is Constitutionally charged with making law, would do their job and make law to fix this.