Made in USA ? (Harley)

[The emperor has no clothes]

Isn't Polaris a Canadian company?

I thought they were too, but evidently they're currently based in Roseau, Minnesota....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polaris_Industries

They've been in Minnesota as long as I remember. At least going back to the early 70's . They made some pretty good snowmobiles.

[¿spoom]

Spoom, if it isn't the truth, then it's a lie.  People need to start fact checking Trump's statements.  They are so full of one sided statements and most are just plain old lies.  If you are to believe Trump, then the US doesn't charge any tariffs on anything, but every other country does.  Trump can mock other world leaders, but if one of them says something he doesn't like then he takes a hissy fit, like a child.



On another note, it looks like Indian motorcycle may be moving some of their production to Poland because of the tariffs the EU put on in retaliation to the Trump tariffs.

https://siouxcityjournal.com/business/local/polaris-mulls-moving-some-indian-motorcycle-production-from-spirit-lake/article_71969f61-ec98-595c-9e0f-0380b84000e0.html

OK, since that newspaper story is mosty BS, it's a lie, right? Polaris has already been moving production across the Atlantic and the tariffs need to be dealt with regardless. The truly stupid companies will jump fast to use the tariffs as an excuse. Polaris moved too slow to be the "Official Motorcycle of the DNC". Guinness will be building a plant here, must be the tariffs. It's all the tariffs.

[bscrive]

Alphadog, if you think that the US doesn't have tariffs on other countries products then you are sadly mistaken. For one, the US has a 300% tarif on tobacco from Canada. Very country impose tariffs to protect certain industries. Canada does It, and the US does It. Stop listening to Trumps lies and look for yourself.

I ain't talking about some itsy bitsy specialty item.  Does Canada raise a bunch of tobacco?  My goodness they moved that industry out of Ohio in the 80's.  I am sure this was done by big tobacco in some special lobby of the people that make those decisions, in any case it is minute.

I am talking about the big picture, the whole enchelada.  And this shows the U.S. had a trade deficit of 800 billion dollars.  Most of our tariffs are small to non existant.    What if we had an even trade balance or somewhere close to that.  That represents several million American workers making that product here.


My history with this subject goes back to the mid 1970s, and a huge schooling in the early 90s, long before I knew much about Donald Trump being anything other that a successful and flamboyant real estate developer.

Just so that you are informed Canada actually had a trade deficit with the US . we bought five times more stuff from the US than the US bought from Canada so with Canada Trump lied in saying that there was a trade  deficit there  is actually around 12 billion dollars more that we bought from you guys then wvhat the US bought from Canada.  Also Canada has always had a trade deficit with the United States all the way back to 1985 but Trump never tells you that. If you don't believe me look it up.

[Serk]

Also Canada has always had a trade deficit with the United States all the way back to 1985 but Trump never tells you that. If you don't believe me look it up.

I was curious so I did look it up. As is often the case, it appears the issue is far more complex than that, and which way it goes depends on who you ask and how you ask it...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-12/trump-may-actually-be-right-about-the-trade-deficit-with-canada

"Imports from the U.S. were up 3.3 per cent to $32.1 billion during the month, while exports to the U.S. increased 1.9 per cent to $34.6 billion."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-trade-deficit-1.4605982

If it's close enough that it can easily be flipped either way, odds are it's close enough to being balanced, of course.

[¿spoom]

Also Canada has always had a trade deficit with the United States all the way back to 1985 but Trump never tells you that. If you don't believe me look it up.

I was curious so I did look it up. As is often the case, it appears the issue is far more complex than that, and which way it goes depends on who you ask and how you ask it...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-12/trump-may-actually-be-right-about-the-trade-deficit-with-canada

"Imports from the U.S. were up 3.3 per cent to $32.1 billion during the month, while exports to the U.S. increased 1.9 per cent to $34.6 billion."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-trade-deficit-1.4605982

If it's close enough that it can easily be flipped either way, odds are it's close enough to being balanced, of course.

Sorry, it has to be black and white, reduced to a single sentence, or it's a lie.

[¿spoom]

Alphadog, if you think that the US doesn't have tariffs on other countries products then you are sadly mistaken. For one, the US has a 300% tarif on tobacco from Canada. Very country impose tariffs to protect certain industries. Canada does It, and the US does It. Stop listening to Trumps lies and look for yourself.

I ain't talking about some itsy bitsy specialty item.  Does Canada raise a bunch of tobacco?  My goodness they moved that industry out of Ohio in the 80's.  I am sure this was done by big tobacco in some special lobby of the people that make those decisions, in any case it is minute.

I am talking about the big picture, the whole enchelada.  And this shows the U.S. had a trade deficit of 800 billion dollars.  Most of our tariffs are small to non existant.    What if we had an even trade balance or somewhere close to that.  That represents several million American workers making that product here.


My history with this subject goes back to the mid 1970s, and a huge schooling in the early 90s, long before I knew much about Donald Trump being anything other that a successful and flamboyant real estate developer.

Just so that you are informed Canada actually had a trade deficit with the US . we bought five times more stuff from the US than the US bought from Canada so with Canada Trump lied in saying that there was a trade  deficit there  is actually around 12 billion dollars more that we bought from you guys then wvhat the US bought from Canada.  Also Canada has always had a trade deficit with the United States all the way back to 1985 but Trump never tells you that. If you don't believe me look it up.

Doesn't matter if I believe you or not. BTW, do you happen to know if Canada still has auto/truck content laws like in the '60s? I know they still have several US automaker plants in Canada that never would have been built except for those content laws. How does one figure in things like that? That's why I say "liar" is a bit strong.

EDIT, if I read it right, the current terms of NAFTA, are that at least 62.5 per cent of a vehicle’s content must be made in North America to qualify for duty-free access between the U.S., Canada and Mexico, so I suppose that means there's no tariff threat anymore to have some Canadian plants to avoid large import tariffs. Guess that explains why so many automotive industry jobs from the US have gone to Mexico, which also meant Canadian ones went. So much for NAFTA. I can't say I'm all against tariffs, they are sometimes the only way to save a country's core mfg. That's especially important for countries that are expected to pay the bills of others while losing their own means of earning money.   

[bscrive]

As always Serk, you do your homework.  We can see that there probably is a balance between trade.  Why then is Trump bent on making us look like the bad guy.  I guess he needs a 'fall guy' to blame problems on.
All in all, it comes down to this: he will make America great again even if it kills your economy. 

[Alpha Dog]

My argument has never been with Canada.  Countries that have similar structures in which they have high paid employees and a high quality of production process should treat each with same tariffs, duties, value added taxes, no restriction of commerce, etc and let the chips fall where they may.  I would say no tariffs or something small to cover the port costs and inspections, but same for all these type countries.

My big issue is a country such as ours or Canada racing off to very low wage countries such as Mexico, China, or most of SE Asia and leave factories, employees, and sometimes entire towns in the dust.  Ross Perot and others  like Democrate House Majority leader Dick Gephardt of Misssouri, Democrate congresswoman Marcy Kaptor of Toledo, Jerry Brown at that time, Pat Buchannon, Pat Choate, and a host or other notables labeled this a race to the bottom in the early 90s during the hotly contested Nafta discussions.  Nafta, Gatt, WTO won the day and the 2000s brought about the effect which was a disaster, and led to the election of Trump.

[Serk]

Why then is Trump bent on making us look like the bad guy.  I guess he needs a 'fall guy' to blame problems on.

My read on it is initially Canada got caught up with our real problem neighbor to the south, can't renegotiate NAFTA without bringing Canada in on the discussions.

Problem is, Trump and Trudeau had words, and Trump can't let a personal slight like that go unanswered, and thus here we are.

(That is FAR from a defense of President Trump or his actions, just trying to read the tea leaves.)

[northernvalk]

Isn't Polaris a Canadian company?

I thought they were too, but evidently they're currently based in Roseau, Minnesota....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polaris_Industries

They've been in Minnesota as long as I remember. At least going back to the early 70's . They made some pretty good snowmobiles.

They MAKE some awesome sleds....like my 2016 PRORMK.....

[¿spoom]

Serk and Alpha nailed it. We really shouldn't be having any unfriendly dialog between Canada and the US, but we can chalk it up to the Clinton Legacy. Mexico should not have been a part of NAFTA, because there shouldn't have been a NAFTA. Mexico wasn't and isn't anywhere close to the US & Canada except for on a map. Mexico's leaders are so corrupt that the entire country is screwed. While US and Canadian armed forces were bleeding out in Normandy, Mexico had been consorting with Hitler. Canada and the US share similar history and origins, currency closely tied together and for a large % a common language since English is the global business language. Clinton would have done a very great thing if he'd done a ground-sweeping, game-changing economic deal with Canada only, but that really was never discussed, nor desired. The Clinton game included only "one world power BS" and maximum cash to cart of for personal use. NAFTA would have included Nigeria, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia and Antarctica if the "commissions" had been rich enough. The only plan to make "everybody equal" requires elevator shoes for some and beheading for others, to get us all at the same height. No thanks. Would love to see NAFTA tossed and immediate tariff reduction/elimination talks commence with Canada.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Problem is, Trump and Trudeau had words, and Trump can't let a personal slight like that go unanswered, and thus here we are.

(That is FAR from a defense of President Trump or his actions, just trying to read the tea leaves.)

Hell of a way to run a country.

[Alpha Dog]

Isn't Polaris a Canadian company?

I thought they were too, but evidently they're currently based in Roseau, Minnesota....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polaris_Industries

They've been in Minnesota as long as I remember. At least going back to the early 70's . They made some pretty good snowmobiles.

They MAKE some awesome sleds....like my 2016 PRORMK.....

And an awesome bike.  This is same as mine except my tri oval exhaust are chrome.  One day I will post photos to postimage I think.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=1PhnVtjY&id=693DC2254E8EED3A2F2848AD177D949270A9B672&thid=OIP.1PhnVtjYOyE9nWU_igZaEwHaEK&mediaurl=http%3a%2f%2fimg.scgpix.com%2flistimg%2fimg1_0317%2f28%2fimg_I8c2uqvUY538XTp_r.jpg&exph=698&expw=1242&q=2014+victory+cross+country+sunset+red&simid=608034691378184275&selectedIndex=11&ajaxhist=0