Mueller no indication

[Robert]

But most interesting was the admission at the end of the indictment, according to which there is no indication that any American was a knowing participant in this activity, and no indication that these efforts altered the vote count in any way.

    Mayor Rudy Giuliani
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    @RudyGiuliani

    The indictments Rod Rosenstein announced are good news for all Americans. The Russians are nailed. No Americans are involved. Time for Mueller to end this pursuit of the President  and say President Trump is completely innocent.
    12:53 PM - Jul 13, 2018

    
Kayleigh McEnany
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@kayleighmcenany

Rod Rosenstein announces Mueller probe indictment of 12 Russians and says: “There is no allegation in this indictment that Americans knew that they were corresponding with Russians.... there is no allegation that any American committed a crime.”

NO COLLUSION!!!
12:19 PM - Jul 13, 2018

The DOJ announced charges against 12 Russian intelligence officers for hacking offenses during the 2016 presidential election. The indictments were announced by Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein as part of Mueller's counsel probe into potential coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia.

The charges include conspiracy to commit an offense against the U.S., conspiracy to launder money, and aggravated identity theft - along with releasing the stolen emails on the web.

Rosenstein said two separate Russian units of the GRU intelligence agency stole emails and information from Democrats and then disseminated it via online personas, DCLeaks and Guccifer 2.0. He also said there’s no allegation in the indictment that any American was involved in the operation. -Bloomberg

[Savago]

But weren't you saying some time ago that there was no Russian interference in the elections?

[Moonshot_1]

But weren't you saying some time ago that there was no Russian interference in the elections?

I guess this would require exactly how broad a definition we want to define an election. Technically, at this time anyway, there is no evidence that any foreign nation, including Russia, hacked voting machines, changed votes, bribed Electoral College officials, or committed any voter fraud, systematic or otherwise.

If you want to define an election as including anything even remotely connected to it then, there was all kinds of "meddling" by a number of countries. You could include Russia's alleged hack of the DNC (I still think it was the Israelis that did the hacking and dumped to Wikileaks) to the Saudi's "donations" to the Clinton Foundation. I think they had Trump brought up in the British Parliament prior to the election and not in a favorable way.

From my perspective, there was no Russian interference in the election itself.

[Robert]

Moonshot has it right, and NO collusion for Trump, certified now by 2 investigations. We will find that Hillary had all kinds of Russian connections and had control of the DNC and if that were not enough sold uranium to the Russians with a bribe going to the Clinton slush fund. So much more to come out and we may see that Mueller will come out with some of this information. Now if that interfered with the elections or we find the DNC was in collusion with the Russians, would you be willing to prosecute, Hillary and Schultz and the democrats like you would have Trump?

[Savago]

@Moonshot: everyone has the right for an opinion.
 

Personally, I think the Ruskies were less effective to manipulate the elections results than Robert Mercer was with Cambridge Analitica (not to mention Comey notifying the house about Hillary's new emails a few days before the election).

What is more concerning is to ask *why* they (Putin) wanted Trump to win the election.

@Robert: honestly (and this is in good faith) how you explain the meeting of Trump's campaign coordinator + son + son-in-law with Russian agents in Trump tower?

The one that initially didn't happen, but latter happened but no dirty on Hilary was ever discussed, but wait! Actually they promised some dirty but never delivered, so no harm!
 

Concerning Hillary, if she committed crimes I would love to see her in prison. The manipulation of DNC to knee-cap Bernie was shameful and if democrats were serious they would kick her out of the party for that.

[Moonshot_1]

@Moonshot: everyone has the right for an opinion.
 

Personally, I think the Ruskies were less effective to manipulate the elections results than Robert Mercer was with Cambridge Analitica (not to mention Comey notifying the house about Hillary's new emails a few days before the election).

What is more concerning is to ask *why* they (Putin) wanted Trump to win the election.

@Robert: honestly (and this is in good faith) how you explain the meeting of Trump's campaign coordinator + son + son-in-law with Russian agents in Trump tower?

The one that initially didn't happen, but latter happened but no dirty on Hilary was ever discussed, but wait! Actually they promised some dirty but never delivered, so no harm!
 

Concerning Hillary, if she committed crimes I would love to see her in prison. The manipulation of DNC to knee-cap Bernie was shameful and if democrats were serious they would kick her out of the party for that.

So I have a few questions here. How do we know Putin wanted Trump to win?
What was done to accomplish this? Hacked voting machines? No. Voter fraud? No. Bribing of Electoral College officials? Nope.

Did the hacking of the DNC accomplish this? Wasn't this done during the primaries when Clinton was up against Sanders and Trump wasn't even the nominee yet?

I believe the Israeli's were behind the DNC hack to expose Hillary because she'd screwed them, along with Obama, on policy issues as Sec. of State and did not want her to be POTUS. There is information out there suggesting a 2nd state being involved. I believe it was them. Much more direct cause and effect than the Ruskies.

As to the meeting with "Russian Agents" A family with business ties around the world are talking to people from Russia. I don't know what they discussed. I'm pretty certain the overthrow of America was not a topic. I'm sure the Trump family discussed matters with "agents" from other countries.

It is all Kabuki theater until I see real evidence and real crimes.

[Bighead]

Grasping at straws 18 months and zero nothing nadda. Yet they still think so

[Robert]

@Robert: honestly (and this is in good faith) how you explain the meeting of Trump's campaign coordinator + son + son-in-law with Russian agents in Trump tower?

The problem is, the meetings really dont need an explanation since,

Admiral Rodgers went to the Trump towers, the campaign headquarters to tell Trump that they were bugged big time and that is why Trump moved to one of his other properties the next day. This is also why Trump caused a big uproar in saying that Obama had him bugged.  If there had been anything or anything discussed that was of a nature to be used against Trump it would have already come out. Since that meeting already took place before Rogers told Trump the Towers was bugged. The fact that Muller has found nothing and pretty much admits it confirms this issue.

This coupled with the fact that the Russians misrepresented themselves and their intentions as stated in the latest revelations from Mueller investigations means these meetings need no explanation and do not represent a problem in any way. I have included an article caption below, that is interesting and Mueller already interviewed everyone in the article and found no collusion. Along with no payments and no identifiable Russian contacts.

 The plan was for Stone to vet the information Greenberg was offering. Whatever that supposed Clinton dirt was, Stone told the Post that Greenberg offered to sell it to Trump for $2 million, but that he dismissed the offer, telling Greenberg that Trump “doesn’t pay for anything.” In a text exchange with Caputo following the meeting, Stone said that Greenberg “wants big &$ for the info” before calling the meeting a “waste of time” and telling Caputo that he heard nothing of interest. Stone told the Post that he attended the meeting to practice “due diligence” on something it would have been “political malpractice” for the Trump team to ignore. Caputo claims that Greenberg’s Russian accent didn’t seem important to him at the time, since links to Russia were not yet a major issue for the Trump

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/06/roger-stone-met-with-russian-who-promised-clinton-dirt.html

[RP#62]

I don't think its so much that the Russians wanted Trump to win.  If you remember at the time, it was a foregone conclusion that Hillary would win. Conventional wisdom, the press, the establishments of both parties, hell even Baldo thought that would be the case.   The Russians were trying to undermine or at least make Hillary's presidency appear less legitimate.  They were still pissed at her for meddling in their elections.

-RP

[Robert]

The Russians were trying to undermine or at least make Hillary's presidency appear less legitimate. 
-RP

Making Hillary look less legitimate was done best by Hillary herself.

Going forward I will be looking for the reveal that the Russia collusion narrative was just a cover up for the corruption and illegal activities by the previous admins.

Documents are already being prepared to impeach Rod Rosenstien and once he is gone the flood of documents that pinpoints corruption will be revealed.

[JFaje1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

A lot here if you care to read this. The Russians did hack our election!

John

[Moonshot_1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

A lot here if you care to read this. The Russians did hack our election!

John

No, the wikipedia site simply said that our Office of the Director of Inteligence's assessment was the Russians hacked the DNC. It is difficult to find them credible without some kind of hard evidence to accompany such a claim. Personally, and I have floated this idea before, I believe the Israelis were behind the DNC hack to undermine Clinton whose potential Presidency they perceived as a National threat to Israel. And it would have been. They could do the hack and make it look like Russians did it. There are reports about another Government state involved in all this. And personally again, I would think the level of sophistication of Israel, given their expertise in fighting terrorism through the internet, exceeds the Russian's level of sophistication and probably even ours. So I'm kinda thinking Israel is behind this and this is the reason for the smoke and mirrors when it comes to bringing evidence to light.

I'd like to see Trump and Putin agree to send a couple of those indicted back to the US to defend themselves of the charges. The DOJ would be compelled to release all the documents in regard to this in the discovery process. Wouldn't need all of them. Just a couple or three would do.

[Robert]

 A January 2017 assessment by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence,  from your article, note the date.
 
There was no evidence of this at this time and was a statement made to initialize the Russian collusion narrative.
 
Much has been looked into after that and found NO Russian interference with the election.

But they did find the Hillary email server hacked, DNC server hacked, fake FISA warrent, FAKE Steel dossier, collusion to stop Trump winning on the part of Hillary,Obama,Strok,Page,Rosenstien,Lynch,and much much more, but it had NOTHING to do with the Russian narrative.

This is what Russia did but it did not affect the election

US indicts 12 Russians for hacking DNC emails during the 2016 election
Deputy attorney general Rod Rosenstein announces that 12 individuals have been charged as part of the investigation into Russian interference

Lets see if Monday or Tuesday if Rosenstien is impeached

“The stories you heard about the 12 Russians yesterday took place during the Obama Administration, not the Trump Administration. Why didn’t they do something about it, especially when it was reported that President Obama was informed by the FBI in September, before the Election?” Trump wrote at 6:08 a.m.

[JFaje1]

As for impeachment of Rosenstein, it would require two thirds of the Senate to do so, and I don't see that happening.
I guess we can all have our opinions about all of this, and never really agree, so if Trump and all of his cronies are innocent, then just let the investigation finish and see where we land. I say let Trump go and do a sit down with Mueller like he has always claimed he wanted to do and see if the self proclaimed genius can come out clean. All he has to do is tell the truth which I know is a little hard for him to do.
John

[Alpha Dog]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

A lot here if you care to read this. The Russians did hack our election!

John

No, the wikipedia site simply said that our Office of the Director of Inteligence's assessment was the Russians hacked the DNC. It is difficult to find them credible without some kind of hard evidence to accompany such a claim. Personally, and I have floated this idea before, I believe the Israelis were behind the DNC hack to undermine Clinton whose potential Presidency they perceived as a National threat to Israel. And it would have been. They could do the hack and make it look like Russians did it. There are reports about another Government state involved in all this. And personally again, I would think the level of sophistication of Israel, given their expertise in fighting terrorism through the internet, exceeds the Russian's level of sophistication and probably even ours. So I'm kinda thinking Israel is behind this and this is the reason for the smoke and mirrors when it comes to bringing evidence to light.

I'd like to see Trump and Putin agree to send a couple of those indicted back to the US to defend themselves of the charges. The DOJ would be compelled to release all the documents in regard to this in the discovery process. Wouldn't need all of them. Just a couple or three would do.

Funny you should say that Moonshot.  Remember the annnounced indictments of essentially Russian Troll Farms about 6 months ago.  Well one of them showed up which surprised to no end the Mueller rascals.  They were blindsided.  The lawyers asked for just what you stated above.  The rascals are refusing to do so.  Expect their case to be dropped.

[F6Dave]

Is there even a chance any of these Russians will ever be brought to justice?  Since they're all military intelligence guys, and since the U.S. has no extradition treaty with Russia, I doubt any of them will ever set foot in a U.S. courtroom.

If that's true, then why did Rod make such a long speech to announce a bunch of indictments that will end up being meaningless?

[f6john]

What if we just took all the money wasted on the “investigation” and spent it on cyber security technology warfare and become extremely proactive in protecting our country? If there was a bill in Congress to appropriate the money spent it would be hard pressed to get passed but put a little blood in the water and spare no expense.

[Cracker Jack]

I have an idea!! Why don't we make it a punishable offense for Government Officials to use servers outside of Official Government secured servers to conduct Official business (As opposed to private servers). That would also facilitate implementation of Government oversite of crooked Government Officials when warranted. Of course, that would only be true if the various agencies (such as the FBI and DOJ) didn't decide to stonewall compliance with oversite.

[JFaje1]

Yea, like the unsecure phone Trump uses for all his twitter trash. They have been trying to get him to give it up, but he wont. Shoe is on the other foot.
John

[Bighead]

Yea, like the unsecure phone Trump uses for all his twitter trash. They have been trying to get him to give it up, but he wont. Shoe is on the other foot.
John

Nothing confidential being tweeted. So no the shoe isnt on the  other foot.

[Robert]

Former CIA Officer and whistleblower Kevin Shipp says what Hillary Clinton did with her charity and Uranium One while she was Secretary of State was a crime for the history books.

Shipp explains, “Hillary Clinton used this to launder money in foreign banks so it wasn’t subject to U.S. laws, congressional subpoenas or FOIA demands for the evidence.  This was done to launder this money globally into the Clinton Foundation so the U.S. government could not examine it at all.”


Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller was the head of the FBI while the Uranium One deal was being done by Clinton and the Russians.  One fifth of U.S. uranium production was bought by the Russians in a deal Clinton pushed and approved.  The Clinton Foundation received more than $140 million from some of the same Russian players who were involved with Uranium One.  Why didn’t Mueller stop the deal?  Shipp says,

    “Mueller is either a complete moron, which he is not, or he overlooked the biggest counterterrorism cases in U.S. history.  It involved Hillary Clinton, the Clinton Foundation, Uranium One and, of course, the destruction of all the emails and evidence and her secret server, and on and on and on it goes, and he (Mueller) ignored it all.”

The most bizarre thing is the people who protected her from clear felonious activity and violations of the Espionage Act.  James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence, was protecting her and leaking things to the media and lying.  You had John Brennan, Director of the CIA, protecting her by starting a false investigation (on Trump) and stirring things up with this (false/unverified) dossier.  You had James Comey, Director of the FBI, protecting her...

Then, you’ve got Peter Strzok protecting her, and now it appears the United Kingdom GCHQ was using NSA information to target Donald Trump and protect Hillary Clinton.  You have to ask yourself what kind of power or connections does this woman have to get all of these members of the Deep State, Shadow Government to risk their own criminal penalties to protect her and try to get her elected?  That is the Shadow Government.  That is the Deep State.  That is what is so chilling about this whole thing...

This is deep.  This is dark.  This is as dark as it gets, and this is the biggest espionage case involving government officials in the history of this country.”

[Robert]

McCabe learned about Clinton emails on Weiner laptop a month before FBI alerted Congress, report says


Former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe

 knew of thousands of emails related to the Hillary Clinton private server investigation for at least a month before then-FBI Director James Comey informed Congress,

The Wall Street Journal reported late Wednesday.

That lag is the subject of an investigation by Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz as part of a wider probe into the FBI's actions prior to the 2016 election. The Washington Post was the first to report that McCabe was a focus of Horowitz's investigation.

[G-Man]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

A lot here if you care to read this. The Russians did hack our election!

John

No, the wikipedia site simply said that our Office of the Director of Inteligence's assessment was the Russians hacked the DNC. It is difficult to find them credible without some kind of hard evidence to accompany such a claim. Personally, and I have floated this idea before, I believe the Israelis were behind the DNC hack to undermine Clinton whose potential Presidency they perceived as a National threat to Israel. And it would have been. They could do the hack and make it look like Russians did it. There are reports about another Government state involved in all this. And personally again, I would think the level of sophistication of Israel, given their expertise in fighting terrorism through the internet, exceeds the Russian's level of sophistication and probably even ours. So I'm kinda thinking Israel is behind this and this is the reason for the smoke and mirrors when it comes to bringing evidence to light.

I'd like to see Trump and Putin agree to send a couple of those indicted back to the US to defend themselves of the charges. The DOJ would be compelled to release all the documents in regard to this in the discovery process. Wouldn't need all of them. Just a couple or three would do.

The purveyor of Wikileaks stated numerous times that the Clinton and DNC files that Wiki dumped, WERE NOT RECEIVED FROM RUSSIA.

At today's summit, Putin denied, and Trump wouldn't publicly point his finger at Putin regarding election interference.  The left and the media are gonna turn that inside out and upside down against Trump.  But with all those indictments, Trump's gotta know something we don't.  He has to know that if the indictments are on the level, then going easy on Putin HAS to make him look bad.  So why do it, unless he has real info to the contrary?

Best soap opera on television!

[G-Man]

McCabe learned about Clinton emails on Weiner laptop a month before FBI alerted Congress, report says


Former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe

 knew of thousands of emails related to the Hillary Clinton private server investigation for at least a month before then-FBI Director James Comey informed Congress,

The Wall Street Journal reported late Wednesday.

That lag is the subject of an investigation by Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz as part of a wider probe into the FBI's actions prior to the 2016 election. The Washington Post was the first to report that McCabe was a focus of Horowitz's investigation.

The reason for the lag was that they were completely confident that Carlos Danger would handle the files appropriately.  And even if he didn't, the tweenage girls he was connecting with are politically ignorant.