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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2018, 07:08:21 AM » |
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It would be nice if someone local to her fixes or replaces her door for her, then bills the pervert.
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« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2018, 07:11:02 AM » |
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It would be nice if someone local to her fixes or replaces her door for her, then bills the pervert.
But they need to leave the sign on it. 
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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2018, 07:49:16 AM » |
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Yeah, I agree. Good for her!!
And that’s the way it should be! As the saying goes “do stupid things, win stupid prizes”
Unfortunately, this lady will probably spend tons of money defending her actions to protect herself and her family! If so, I hope there is a “Gofundme” started.
Only thing I see that would’ve improved this situation is better shot placement!
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Remember, if you are on a bike and wreck with a car no matter how "in the right" you are you are going to lose. RIDE LIKE EVERBODY IS OUT TO GET YOU!! Al
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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2018, 09:20:17 AM » |
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Too bad she couldn't have shot him in his junk!  YUP-betta shot placement!  RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2018, 10:39:13 AM » |
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I politely disagree with the responses here. Her obligation was to protect her family and call 911. Then warn the potential intruder. If the door was locked and he was still outside, she should never shoot through a closed, locked door. I find it sad that a man with some mental issues gets shot.
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« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2018, 10:50:16 AM » |
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I politely disagree with the responses here. Her obligation was to protect her family and call 911. Then warn the potential intruder. If the door was locked and he was still outside, she should never shoot through a closed, locked door. I find it sad that a man with some mental issues gets shot.
I agree, it is sad. But, it’s hard to tell from the article all the circumstances.
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« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2018, 08:19:32 PM » |
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This story was on the evening news tonight. The granny shooter probably didn't have 3 digits in her IQ. And the door was locked. Defense is about saving yourself and family from an imminent threat, not "get off my porch or else".
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« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2018, 11:23:52 PM » |
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Imminent threat on porch
Get off the porch
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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2018, 05:12:15 PM » |
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If he was a self employed truck driver , would it be an owner operator .  da prez
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Willow
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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2018, 05:40:19 AM » |
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This story was on the evening news tonight. The granny shooter probably didn't have 3 digits in her IQ. And the door was locked. Defense is about saving yourself and family from an imminent threat, not "get off my porch or else".
He was trying to come (no pun intended) through the door, was he not? Perhaps your assessment was she should have waited until he kicked the door in to shoot him in to possibly shoot him in the confusion of being attacked in her living room? You may want to read up on what "stand your ground" means. 
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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2018, 09:26:10 PM » |
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This story was on the evening news tonight. The granny shooter probably didn't have 3 digits in her IQ. And the door was locked. Defense is about saving yourself and family from an imminent threat, not "get off my porch or else".
He was trying to come (no pun intended) through the door, was he not? Perhaps your assessment was she should have waited until he kicked the door in to shoot him in to possibly shoot him in the confusion of being attacked in her living room? You may want to read up on what "stand your ground" means.  Stand your ground means you don't have to retreat out of your house to avoid conflict. I've taken numerous NRA and CCW classes taught by LEOs. The laws defining "The justification of the use of deadly force" don't include closed locked doors.
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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2018, 01:45:13 AM » |
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IF you feel you really have to shoot through a door to save your life (I'd be an old lady before using that argument), shoot down at knee level (left or right of center). This would go a long way to arguing you were not using or intending deadly force. (So long as your assailant is not 3 feet tall)
While warning shots are generally a bad idea for multiple reasons, letting someone outside beating on your door know you are locked and loaded may make him decide to go find a different house. And if he breaks down the door anyway, and you put three in him, the first warning shot (a provable shot in the floor or wall) could go a long way to dispel any notion that you sucker ambushed him. (Since it will no doubt come out later, like in a wrongful death civil suit, that he was drunk or drugged or insane or retarded and not responsible for his actions.)
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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2018, 03:05:51 AM » |
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I think we'll see trouble for this woman in the not too distant future.
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« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2018, 04:41:08 AM » |
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I think we'll see trouble for this woman in the not too distant future.
I doubt it. This was in Texas. A guy trying to come through your front door and you shoot him. I'm pretty positive that is within stand your ground. Stand your ground is not just restricted to your home. I dont care how many classes anyone has taken taught by LEO's. Apparently the ones teaching you did not know the law.
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« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2018, 04:53:29 AM » |
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This story was on the evening news tonight. The granny shooter probably didn't have 3 digits in her IQ. And the door was locked. Defense is about saving yourself and family from an imminent threat, not "get off my porch or else".
He was trying to come (no pun intended) through the door, was he not? Perhaps your assessment was she should have waited until he kicked the door in to shoot him in to possibly shoot him in the confusion of being attacked in her living room? You may want to read up on what "stand your ground" means.  Stand your ground means you don't have to retreat out of your house to avoid conflict. I've taken numerous NRA and CCW classes taught by LEOs. The laws defining "The justification of the use of deadly force" don't include closed locked doors. I think you are confusing stand your ground with castle doctrine.
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« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2018, 04:56:20 AM » |
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« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2018, 08:36:10 AM » |
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A stand-your-ground law (sometimes called "line in the sand" or "no duty to retreat" law) is a justification in a criminal case, whereby defendants can "stand their ground" and use force without retreating, in order to protect and defend themselves or others against threats or perceived threats. The above quote says it all. It will all comes down to what she initially said to the responding officers. If she perceived a threat, and can convince a jury or judge that she felt threatened, I think she is justified with the shooting. (as she should be) Jim
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« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2018, 09:45:55 AM » |
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AND do Not forget-Every States Laws have some differences in them. Just cuz yer "legal" where you reside you may Not be "legal" where yer visiting. IF it went down as we read about it And the fact she resides in Texas-I'd say I M H O she has a much Better than 50/50 chance of NOT being charged. BUT I've been wrong before. RIDE SAFE.
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Willow
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« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2018, 02:59:34 PM » |
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This story was on the evening news tonight. The granny shooter probably didn't have 3 digits in her IQ. And the door was locked. Defense is about saving yourself and family from an imminent threat, not "get off my porch or else".
He was trying to come (no pun intended) through the door, was he not? Perhaps your assessment was she should have waited until he kicked the door in to shoot him in to possibly shoot him in the confusion of being attacked in her living room? You may want to read up on what "stand your ground" means.  Stand your ground means you don't have to retreat out of your house to avoid conflict. I've taken numerous NRA and CCW classes taught by LEOs. The laws defining "The justification of the use of deadly force" don't include closed locked doors. Rather than you and I spending a lot of time telling each other how wrong we are let's just wait for the follow up story on whether or not the lady is charged. I'll trust you to be looking for that. I don't really care that much.
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« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2018, 05:17:54 PM » |
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This story was on the evening news tonight. The granny shooter probably didn't have 3 digits in her IQ. And the door was locked. Defense is about saving yourself and family from an imminent threat, not "get off my porch or else".
He was trying to come (no pun intended) through the door, was he not? Perhaps your assessment was she should have waited until he kicked the door in to shoot him in to possibly shoot him in the confusion of being attacked in her living room? You may want to read up on what "stand your ground" means.  Stand your ground means you don't have to retreat out of your house to avoid conflict. I've taken numerous NRA and CCW classes taught by LEOs. The laws defining "The justification of the use of deadly force" don't include closed locked doors. Rather than you and I spending a lot of time telling each other how wrong we are let's just wait for the follow up story on whether or not the lady is charged. I'll trust you to be looking for that. I don't really care that much. I care ! I'm going to be pissed if she gets charged. (I'm pretty sure she won't)
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« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2018, 08:07:32 PM » |
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This story was on the evening news tonight. The granny shooter probably didn't have 3 digits in her IQ. And the door was locked. Defense is about saving yourself and family from an imminent threat, not "get off my porch or else".
He was trying to come (no pun intended) through the door, was he not? Perhaps your assessment was she should have waited until he kicked the door in to shoot him in to possibly shoot him in the confusion of being attacked in her living room? You may want to read up on what "stand your ground" means.  Stand your ground means you don't have to retreat out of your house to avoid conflict. I've taken numerous NRA and CCW classes taught by LEOs. The laws defining "The justification of the use of deadly force" don't include closed locked doors. Rather than you and I spending a lot of time telling each other how wrong we are let's just wait for the follow up story on whether or not the lady is charged. I'll trust you to be looking for that. I don't really care that much. I care ! I'm going to be pissed if she gets charged. (I'm pretty sure she won't) Dang Rob we agree again 
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