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« on: August 09, 2018, 05:49:39 AM » |
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About to replace the front tire on my "fat lady" and couldn't help but notice one side has significantly more wear than the other. This got me to thinking about why and how I ride. I believe I tend to push her harder in left curves than right and that seems to show up on both front and rear tires. Though, I am a dark sider on the back end. Any opinions on this? Or, should I be looking at a two wheel alignment?  Rams |
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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2018, 06:02:54 AM » |
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Before I left for Billings, I mounted a new front tire. When I got back, I noticed the right side was worn more than the left, by quite a bit. I attributed it to all those slab miles riding in the left lane on that side of the crown.
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2018, 06:36:12 AM » |
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I went to a Car tire because I was Squaring off every Motorcycle tire.
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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2018, 06:36:51 AM » |
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Before I left for Billings, I mounted a new front tire. When I got back, I noticed the right side was worn more than the left, by quite a bit. I attributed it to all those slab miles riding in the left lane on that side of the crown.
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2018, 06:38:36 AM » |
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I went to a Car tire because I was Squaring off every Motorcycle tire.
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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2018, 06:56:25 AM » |
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When I was in Japan we had a practice flat track setup. I ALWAYS did better going left stead of right. I also noticed while motocrossing I did NOT attack right handers near as aggressively as I attacked the left handers. Even today on Phatt Ghurl there IS a Difference in the way I turn right and left. And it do show up on the tires! RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2018, 07:01:57 AM » |
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It seems that is a phenomenon of 2 wheel vehicles on the highway. Just the nature of the beast. Probably not so much if only ridden in a straight line or ridden off road only.
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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2018, 07:09:46 AM » |
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Before I left for Billings, I mounted a new front tire. When I got back, I noticed the right side was worn more than the left, by quite a bit. I attributed it to all those slab miles riding in the left lane on that side of the crown.
I don't buy this theory. If you stop and think about the crown of a road, it is what? one inch in 12 feet? What does that equate to in the 3 or 4 inch contact patch on a front tire? It is very minimal, I am sure someone much better than I am with math can figure it out. When I see the difference in wear on a front tire it is usually an inch or more farther to the sidewall on one side vs. the other side of the tire. I can see hitting the curves harder on one side than the other. I also realize that you are going faster in left turns than right in most intersections due to the larger turn radius. I guess I am asking someone to prove to me that it is the crown, I have an open mind, but it will take some convincing to do so. Jim |
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2018, 07:15:21 AM » |
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On the highway, in countries that drive on the right hand side of the road, 2 things are certain. First, Left turns are always on the outside of the turn and right turns are always on the inside.......what that means in terms of the tire is that it runs farther while leaning left than it does leaning right. Secondly, left turns which are always on the outside of the turn are never as sharp as right turns which are on the inside and that makes most of us more comfortable “powering through” the turn thereby increasing the pressure put on the tire.
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2018, 08:09:28 AM » |
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I think if you eat up each side of your tires, you're probably a hotshoe in the twisties. If you get a big flat spot in the middle you might be someone who only rides in the flatlands. Probably and maybe, because I've been running flat spots in the middle of my tires in no time the last few years, but I ride in the mountains (not all that much of a hotshoe) a lot. I believe my flat spot came from running some very pleasant farm roads to work a few times a week for the last few years.  I'm retired now, and so far this year's tire on the 1800 is holding up pretty good after two Pikevilles, InZane and numerous backyard rides... -Mike "don't go down the chipsealed farm road that often anymore..." |
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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2018, 09:14:17 AM » |
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I believe I tend to push her harder in left curves than right and that seems to show up on both front and rear tires.
I think that's petty common Ron. Most left turns are longer sweeper turns that you can go faster (and lean more) in. Most right turns (intersections), you have to slow way down to make the turn, and don't lean much with little force.
This does not apply in the twisties where you can go whatever speed the conditions and road curves allow in either direction.
Driving on the right side, the crown will also wear the left more than the right.
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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2018, 10:19:32 AM » |
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On 2 lane roads the top of the crown is going to be to your left. Right hand drive will be opposite. Multi lane roads, 4+ lanes, the crown “may” be split evenly. IF the pavement is new. Any other pavement is going to have wear grooves. Your placement in those grooves is going to have an effect on tire wear. Take a buddy and a string. Lay that string on the road surface and Stretch the string tight from one side to the other side. You’d be amazed at the depth of the grooves.  |
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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2018, 11:13:45 AM » |
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Before I left for Billings, I mounted a new front tire. When I got back, I noticed the right side was worn more than the left, by quite a bit. I attributed it to all those slab miles riding in the left lane on that side of the crown.
I don't buy this theory. If you stop and think about the crown of a road, it is what? one inch in 12 feet? What does that equate to in the 3 or 4 inch contact patch on a front tire? It is very minimal, I am sure someone much better than I am with math can figure it out. When I see the difference in wear on a front tire it is usually an inch or more farther to the sidewall on one side vs. the other side of the tire. I can see hitting the curves harder on one side than the other. I also realize that you are going faster in left turns than right in most intersections due to the larger turn radius. I guess I am asking someone to prove to me that it is the crown, I have an open mind, but it will take some convincing to do so. Jim Baldo is correct. Google the phenomenon. |
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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2018, 11:31:32 AM » |
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This has been beaten to death. Lots of people want to blame the crown. It's not possible given the depth of the wear.
It is, quite simply, the length and lean of left turns in the U.S. and right turns in the U.K.
As to general wear it is partially how one rides but largely on what type of pavement one rides.
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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2018, 11:49:17 AM » |
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This has been beaten to death. Lots of people want to blame the crown. It's not possible given the depth of the wear.
It is, quite simply, the length and lean of left turns in the U.S. and right turns in the U.K.
As to general wear it is partially how one rides but largely on what type of pavement one rides.
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« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2018, 12:10:18 PM » |
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This has been beaten to death. Lots of people want to blame the crown. It's not possible given the depth of the wear.
It is, quite simply, the length and lean of left turns in the U.S. and right turns in the U.K.
As to general wear it is partially how one rides but largely on what type of pavement one rides.
How can you be so sure that your OPINION is correct and that other "lots of people"'s OPINION is not possible?  I'd be interested in knowing the basis of your opinion that makes you so sure.  |
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« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2018, 12:28:16 PM » |
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My front wears evenly both sides. The roads I ride tend not to have many straight lines through/up/down the Appalachian Mnts. "Chicken" strips are soon worn away.
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« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2018, 12:50:35 PM » |
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How can you be so sure that your OPINION is correct and that other "lots of people"'s OPINION is not possible? I'd be interested in knowing the basis of your opinion that makes you so sure. Understanding based upon knowledge, information, and logical analysis. You emphasize OPINION but what I stated was understanding. I thought I gave the short explanation in a sentence. If you want more detail Baldo provided it earlier. I don't think you're really interested. I think you just want to be contradictory. |
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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2018, 02:06:11 PM » |
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Maybe your weight is a bit more on one side or you tend to lean a bit to one side or other
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« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2018, 02:08:37 AM » |
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...one side has significantly more wear than the other. Any opinions on this? Left turns are longer |
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« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2018, 03:15:16 AM » |
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Maybe your weight is a bit more on one side or you tend to lean a bit to one side or other
Well, I know MY weight is pretty evenly distributed..... |
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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2018, 04:04:33 AM » |
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well round IS a shape I tend to just use the right saddlebag on the police bike, but the wear is even..... so maybe I lean a bit to the left sometimes. Oss nope that cant be right  |
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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2018, 05:06:24 AM » |
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well round IS a shape I tend to just use the right saddlebag on the police bike, but the wear is even..... so maybe I lean a bit to the left sometimes. Oss nope that cant be right LOL....I KNEW you had it in ya..... |
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