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Author Topic: Vet. Admin. and their Aid and Attendance program.  (Read 856 times)
John Schmidt
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« on: August 25, 2018, 07:30:07 PM »

Has anyone here ever used Aid & Attendance from the VA to help with in-home daily help? I applied for it for my wife, badly needed so I can get a break a couple times a week. I was told they would cover a helper six days a week if needed and they offer slight housekeeping, fixing small meals for the one in need(wife), making sure she gets her meds on time, helping with going to/from the bathroom....(a small part of the stuff I already do) plus just keeping her company and watching over her while I'm gone. I'm just wondering how long it takes for the VA to move on this, some time back I registered with the VA for health benefits although at present I don't use it, turns out it takes a different application for the A & A. Still gets me discounts at times if I show the ID. I guess freezing my butt off on the flightline of Loring AFB in northern Maine nearly 60 yrs. ago is going to finally pay off.  Smiley
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sandy
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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2018, 08:05:36 PM »

John: Locate an advocate at the VA. They work to help vets get through the system more efficiently.
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Jess from VA
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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2018, 09:20:45 PM »

John, I've been retired for 8 years, and am a little rusty.

Aid and Attendance (A & A) and Housebound benefits are extras that can be available to any veteran who qualifies for VA pension, but you must qualify for pension first to get either of them.  VA pension is considered a bare bones subsistence benefit.  

Pension is available to any wartime vet (basically served one day of active duty during a period of war) (and I'm guessing you served during Vietnam). You need not have served in combat, only during any period of war.

VA pension is means tested, both net worth and income.  In 2017, a veteran with dependent spouse was eligible for $25,525 in pension, less any income (almost no income is exempt, social security retirement/disability and State or Federal G pensions are not exempt).  If the two of you made more than that, no pension would be awarded (and without qualifying pension, no A & A either).  However, there is a list of expenses that are allowed to reduce countable income, and I think that would include medical expenses/insurance.  If, say, for 2017, your combined countable income, less allowable expenses, was $15K, then pension would be $10, 525 (this is how pension works).  

However, the total amount of countable income, for a vet and dependent, less allowable expenses, for 2018 is $17,241 for basic pension, but $26,036 for A & A.

Now the net worth test exempts house, furnishings, vehicles.  A veteran’s net worth includes assets in bank accounts, stocks, bonds, mutual funds and property other than the veteran's primary residence and vehicle  (ie cash).  Now there is no hard limit on net worth, VA adjudicators just look at what you have and decide if you can live on that instead of VA benefits.

Someone else already gave this link in another thread.  
https://www.payingforseniorcare.com/longtermcare/resources/veterans_pension.html#title6

https://www.payingforseniorcare.com/va-benefits-planning/income-calculation.html

All the actual regulations are in 38 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR).

The linked attachment says 9-12 months for a decision is usual.  I think if you live in an area with a high concentration of veterans, the backlog at your VA Regional Office may be worse, and the wait longer.

I agree with Sandy, and advise you seek assistance from a local Veteran Service Officer with a Veteran Service Organization (they are free).  In my experience, two of the best are Disabled American Veterans (DAV), and Paralyzed Veterans of America (PVA) (you don't have to be paralyzed to use them) (and in my 18 years with VA, I mean head and shoulders better than most of the other VSOs).  I would do this even if you have already applied to VA for benefits. Take a copy of your application with you, and be prepared to show income, expenses and assets (other than home and vehicles).

And John, I'm not certain of this, but think the A & A benefit would only be payable to you if YOU qualified during your lifetime, then to a surviving spouse only after your death.  If A & A is available just for Rita, I think the additional Housebound benefit would also very likely apply to her.

I am sorry if this is not what you were hoping to hear. (But, I probably only looked a few A & A/Housebound appeals in all my years at VA, and those were knocked out on income tests.)

The above links are not VA itself, these are:

https://www.benefits.va.gov/pension/

https://www.benefits.va.gov/pension/pencalc.asp

https://www.benefits.va.gov/pension/aid_attendance_housebound.asp

If you would like to talk about this, send me a phone number on PM and tell me when to call.  

Jess  



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John Schmidt
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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2018, 08:43:35 PM »

Well Jess, if it doesn't fly at least I'll get an A for effort.  Wink  I am using a guy that works in an office down toward Ft. Lauderdale....a Major Jones who is most likely retired judging by conversation. One thing he told me was since I'm in my 80's my assets(cash, investments, etc.) are allowed to be $40k. I guess I'll just have to wait and see, one thing for certain....I don't understand the "pension" thing at all. I have just over 6 yrs. active so probably nothing will come of it. Can't hurt trying though.  cooldude
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carolinarider09
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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2018, 05:07:55 AM »

Jess,

I just wanted to thank you for your detailed reply to John.  Makes me proud to be a member of this site.

I too served  ( U. S. Navy 1967 - 1973) and while I have been told I should apply for the VA benefits I had not had the need to do so.

Thanks again for the detailed reply.

Jim

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Jess from VA
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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2018, 09:08:31 AM »

Jess,

I just wanted to thank you for your detailed reply to John.  Makes me proud to be a member of this site.

I too served  ( U. S. Navy 1967 - 1973) and while I have been told I should apply for the VA benefits I had not had the need to do so.

Thanks again for the detailed reply.

Jim

Welcome Jim.  I spent 18 years being a VA shyster (after the USAF JAG), and I'm a vet, and I try to help any vet I can.

Veteran's law is a crazy lashup of old, arcane and complex Administrative law and procedure, and hard to navigate without help.

To make matters worse, it's run by the Fed G.   Grin

Thank you for YOUR service.

Something I always advise vets such as yourself who have never filed any claim with VA is this:

While taking care of yourself without G assistance is always admirable behavior, none of us can know what may happen in our old age.  We can end up broke or homeless or without medical care (and may still have family/dependents to support).  The seminal concept in VA disability is proving you have disability now that was caused (or aggravated) by some incident, injury or disease of active military service.  This proof is continuity of symptoms, from service to present.  The longer after service you wait to file, the harder it is to prove your case.  What was only bothersome when you separated from service, can progress to truly disabling later in life.  Anyone who files (and wins) can refuse the money, but take the medical treatment for that disability (and later take the money also if they need it).  Records get lost or destroyed, doctors close their practices, and 30 or more years after service (now that you need help), it can be very difficult to prove your case (and take years to do it).

Couple points.  You have hearing loss, but it's not bad.  Decades later you need hearing aids, which state of the art can run thousands of dollars.  If you have VA service connection for hearing loss, you may not get much disability compensation in term of monthly benefit, but you can have state of the art hearing aids for life.  When you wait 30 years to file, and get your VA examination, the doctor will ask what you did in your post service work, if you shot guns, if you rode motorcycles, if you went to rock concerts.... and then conclude your hearing loss in old age is from a lifetime of loud noise, not just loud noise in service.  

Every service connected disability gets VA medical treatment (gratis), just for that disability.  But once you are rated at least 50% disabled (maybe from several disabilities), then VA will treat you for anything and everything wrong with you, for life.

When you die, your surviving spouse (and any helpless child) can use all the help she can get, and surviving spouses are covered (at lesser rates) for their lives after you die.

I walked past this sign every day of my VA employment.
     


Yes, it is a part of American socialism........ but it's the best part there is.  



    
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