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[The emperor has no clothes]

Mark, when have I said Trump has committed treason ? I have said we should let Mueller investigate and then go from there. I would think any patriotic American would want to know what the Russians have done ?  

We already know what the Russians did.  They (the Russians) put out some ads on facebook trying to convince people of whatever.  I saw a few of the ads after the fact and they were pretty ludicrous.  I am thinking no one was convinced to change their vote.
The investigation has gone on long enough, they haven't found any evidence that Trump colluded with anyone from Russia.  It's really a waste of taxpayer money at this point.  They have only gotten a couple people on crimes before Trump even ran for office, and the crimes are completely unrelated.

 You need to go back and reread my post above.  I never said YOU did I said "your side" did. Like my brother said they put out Facebook ads against Hillary. So what. I never saw them. Even if I did I wasn't voting for her anyway. I'm fairly certain it didn't sway those that were already voting against her. If so how is this any different then Hillary paying for and using a fake document to smear candidate Trump? Or Obama using surveillance to spy on then citizen Trump. And Clinton and her team making sure she won the primary against Berny by cheeting.

 Oh and also, Mueller and Comie are no more republicans then Bloomberg is.?

My side ? There should only be one side on this matter. EVERYBODY SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT OUR ELECTIONS.

[Moonshot_1]

And everybody should care about our elections. And when the Trump administration tasked the states to be a part of an investigation into voter fraud and illegal immigrants voting, the left refused to care and would not even engage in assisting such an investigation. Instead, the left makes bogus accusations, creates false narratives, and demands unending investigations into some kind of Russian fantasy election caper.

Everyone should care. And a non partisan investigation into the election integrity of every state would be in order.

[Alberta Patriot]

One of my comments was deleted, I am guessing because I was a little too hard on Meathead, but it burns my arse to see his "brief hit and run" responses without a full response to my comments. If you got something to say Meathead, give me the full meal deal...And...by the way...I still would like to hear what you have  to say with more than a cheap shot and an emoji chaser!!!
Explain in some detail where or why I am off base with my comment.

Ignore him.  It'll save you a lot of time since he believes it's his mission to join every thread and ruin them with his garbage.  Case in point, this thread.  Every thread there's a series of posts between him and someone else over bickering GARBAGE that adds nothing to subject.  Case in point, this thread. (not stuttering)  And he's been asked not to, but he just can't help himself.

(modified after seeing all of the posts in this thread up till now)

Yep, You are exactly right, and I DO generally stay away from Meathead as he is normally short on meaningful commentary and long Emojies. It seems as though he really has nothing of substance to say most of the time.

[MAD6Gun]

Mark, when have I said Trump has committed treason ? I have said we should let Mueller investigate and then go from there. I would think any patriotic American would want to know what the Russians have done ?  

We already know what the Russians did.  They (the Russians) put out some ads on facebook trying to convince people of whatever.  I saw a few of the ads after the fact and they were pretty ludicrous.  I am thinking no one was convinced to change their vote.
The investigation has gone on long enough, they haven't found any evidence that Trump colluded with anyone from Russia.  It's really a waste of taxpayer money at this point.  They have only gotten a couple people on crimes before Trump even ran for office, and the crimes are completely unrelated.

 You need to go back and reread my post above.  I never said YOU did I said "your side" did. Like my brother said they put out Facebook ads against Hillary. So what. I never saw them. Even if I did I wasn't voting for her anyway. I'm fairly certain it didn't sway those that were already voting against her. If so how is this any different then Hillary paying for and using a fake document to smear candidate Trump? Or Obama using surveillance to spy on then citizen Trump. And Clinton and her team making sure she won the primary against Berny by cheeting.

 Oh and also, Mueller and Comie are no more republicans then Bloomberg is.?

My side ? There should only be one side on this matter. EVERYBODY SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT OUR ELECTIONS.

 Yes your side!!! You're right everyone should be concerned about our election. But if the left is so concerned then why are they against voter IDs? Everybody knows that illegals vote. Especially in CA. Voter ID would put a stop to voter fraud. Who's not for that? The dems that's who. Otherwise illegals and the dead couldn't vote for them.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Mark, when have I said Trump has committed treason ? I have said we should let Mueller investigate and then go from there. I would think any patriotic American would want to know what the Russians have done ?  

We already know what the Russians did.  They (the Russians) put out some ads on facebook trying to convince people of whatever.  I saw a few of the ads after the fact and they were pretty ludicrous.  I am thinking no one was convinced to change their vote.
The investigation has gone on long enough, they haven't found any evidence that Trump colluded with anyone from Russia.  It's really a waste of taxpayer money at this point.  They have only gotten a couple people on crimes before Trump even ran for office, and the crimes are completely unrelated.

 You need to go back and reread my post above.  I never said YOU did I said "your side" did. Like my brother said they put out Facebook ads against Hillary. So what. I never saw them. Even if I did I wasn't voting for her anyway. I'm fairly certain it didn't sway those that were already voting against her. If so how is this any different then Hillary paying for and using a fake document to smear candidate Trump? Or Obama using surveillance to spy on then citizen Trump. And Clinton and her team making sure she won the primary against Berny by cheeting.

 Oh and also, Mueller and Comie are no more republicans then Bloomberg is.?

My side ? There should only be one side on this matter. EVERYBODY SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT OUR ELECTIONS.

 Yes your side!!! You're right everyone should be concerned about our election. But if the left is so concerned then why are they against voter IDs? Everybody knows that illegals vote. Especially in CA. Voter ID would put a stop to voter fraud. Who's not for that? The dems that's who. Otherwise illegals and the dead couldn't vote for them.

I'm not sure of your theory. Do you feel illegal immigrants are faking to be someone else and voting ?

[Alberta Patriot]

The case for mandatory I.D. at the polls:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBxZGWCdgs
The TRUE Racists are those who think people of color are not up to having proper I.D. ready at the Polls on election day...shame on them for even thinking that!!!
Cheating with illegal/undocumented voters is the only way that the Democrats will ever win an election these days.

[MAD6Gun]

Mark, when have I said Trump has committed treason ? I have said we should let Mueller investigate and then go from there. I would think any patriotic American would want to know what the Russians have done ?  

We already know what the Russians did.  They (the Russians) put out some ads on facebook trying to convince people of whatever.  I saw a few of the ads after the fact and they were pretty ludicrous.  I am thinking no one was convinced to change their vote.
The investigation has gone on long enough, they haven't found any evidence that Trump colluded with anyone from Russia.  It's really a waste of taxpayer money at this point.  They have only gotten a couple people on crimes before Trump even ran for office, and the crimes are completely unrelated.

 You need to go back and reread my post above.  I never said YOU did I said "your side" did. Like my brother said they put out Facebook ads against Hillary. So what. I never saw them. Even if I did I wasn't voting for her anyway. I'm fairly certain it didn't sway those that were already voting against her. If so how is this any different then Hillary paying for and using a fake document to smear candidate Trump? Or Obama using surveillance to spy on then citizen Trump. And Clinton and her team making sure she won the primary against Berny by cheeting.

 Oh and also, Mueller and Comie are no more republicans then Bloomberg is.?

My side ? There should only be one side on this matter. EVERYBODY SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT OUR ELECTIONS.

 Yes your side!!! You're right everyone should be concerned about our election. But if the left is so concerned then why are they against voter IDs? Everybody knows that illegals vote. Especially in CA. Voter ID would put a stop to voter fraud. Who's not for that? The dems that's who. Otherwise illegals and the dead couldn't vote for them.

I'm not sure of your theory. Do you feel illegal immigrants are faking to be someone else and voting ?

 They don't have to fake being anyone else. They are allowed to vote in many cities anyway. Is that real hard to understand?

If everyone had to show ID to vote there would no voter fraud. You have to have an ID to drive,buy alcohol,a car,a house or do any banking,ect.... Oh and to get welfare and food stamps. So why doesn't it make sense to show an ID to vote? The left has said making someone show ID to vote is racist. HOW is that racist?

[The emperor has no clothes]

Mark, when have I said Trump has committed treason ? I have said we should let Mueller investigate and then go from there. I would think any patriotic American would want to know what the Russians have done ?  

We already know what the Russians did.  They (the Russians) put out some ads on facebook trying to convince people of whatever.  I saw a few of the ads after the fact and they were pretty ludicrous.  I am thinking no one was convinced to change their vote.
The investigation has gone on long enough, they haven't found any evidence that Trump colluded with anyone from Russia.  It's really a waste of taxpayer money at this point.  They have only gotten a couple people on crimes before Trump even ran for office, and the crimes are completely unrelated.

 You need to go back and reread my post above.  I never said YOU did I said "your side" did. Like my brother said they put out Facebook ads against Hillary. So what. I never saw them. Even if I did I wasn't voting for her anyway. I'm fairly certain it didn't sway those that were already voting against her. If so how is this any different then Hillary paying for and using a fake document to smear candidate Trump? Or Obama using surveillance to spy on then citizen Trump. And Clinton and her team making sure she won the primary against Berny by cheeting.

 Oh and also, Mueller and Comie are no more republicans then Bloomberg is.?

My side ? There should only be one side on this matter. EVERYBODY SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT OUR ELECTIONS.

 Yes your side!!! You're right everyone should be concerned about our election. But if the left is so concerned then why are they against voter IDs? Everybody knows that illegals vote. Especially in CA. Voter ID would put a stop to voter fraud. Who's not for that? The dems that's who. Otherwise illegals and the dead couldn't vote for them.

I'm not sure of your theory. Do you feel illegal immigrants are faking to be someone else and voting ?

 They don't have to fake being anyone else. They are allowed to vote in many cities anyway. Is that real hard to understand?

If everyone had to show ID to vote there would no voter fraud. You have to have an ID to drive,buy alcohol,a car,a house or do any banking,ect.... Oh and to get welfare and food stamps. So why doesn't it make sense to show an ID to vote? The left has said making someone show ID to vote is racist. HOW is that racist?

Don't get all pissy now. I'm just trying to understand exactly what you are saying.

[Alberta Patriot]

Wow...Pissy??? that is petty...he asked a simple question. Why not a simple answer Meathead. Is that too much to ask???.

[MAD6Gun]

Mark, when have I said Trump has committed treason ? I have said we should let Mueller investigate and then go from there. I would think any patriotic American would want to know what the Russians have done ?  

We already know what the Russians did.  They (the Russians) put out some ads on facebook trying to convince people of whatever.  I saw a few of the ads after the fact and they were pretty ludicrous.  I am thinking no one was convinced to change their vote.
The investigation has gone on long enough, they haven't found any evidence that Trump colluded with anyone from Russia.  It's really a waste of taxpayer money at this point.  They have only gotten a couple people on crimes before Trump even ran for office, and the crimes are completely unrelated.

 You need to go back and reread my post above.  I never said YOU did I said "your side" did. Like my brother said they put out Facebook ads against Hillary. So what. I never saw them. Even if I did I wasn't voting for her anyway. I'm fairly certain it didn't sway those that were already voting against her. If so how is this any different then Hillary paying for and using a fake document to smear candidate Trump? Or Obama using surveillance to spy on then citizen Trump. And Clinton and her team making sure she won the primary against Berny by cheeting.

 Oh and also, Mueller and Comie are no more republicans then Bloomberg is.?

My side ? There should only be one side on this matter. EVERYBODY SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT OUR ELECTIONS.

 Yes your side!!! You're right everyone should be concerned about our election. But if the left is so concerned then why are they against voter IDs? Everybody knows that illegals vote. Especially in CA. Voter ID would put a stop to voter fraud. Who's not for that? The dems that's who. Otherwise illegals and the dead couldn't vote for them.

I'm not sure of your theory. Do you feel illegal immigrants are faking to be someone else and voting ?

 They don't have to fake being anyone else. They are allowed to vote in many cities anyway. Is that real hard to understand?

If everyone had to show ID to vote there would no voter fraud. You have to have an ID to drive,buy alcohol,a car,a house or do any banking,ect.... Oh and to get welfare and food stamps. So why doesn't it make sense to show an ID to vote? The left has said making someone show ID to vote is racist. HOW is that racist?

Don't get all pissy now. I'm just trying to understand exactly what you are saying.

 I'm not '"pissy". Let me spell it out for you since you can't seam to comprehend what I am saying...

.... I-L-L-E-G-A-L-S  H-A-V-E  A-N-D  S-T-I-L-L  V-O-T-E  I-N  O-U-R  E-L-E-C-T-I-O-N-S...

 Do you understand it NOW ?

[The emperor has no clothes]

Mark, when have I said Trump has committed treason ? I have said we should let Mueller investigate and then go from there. I would think any patriotic American would want to know what the Russians have done ?  

We already know what the Russians did.  They (the Russians) put out some ads on facebook trying to convince people of whatever.  I saw a few of the ads after the fact and they were pretty ludicrous.  I am thinking no one was convinced to change their vote.
The investigation has gone on long enough, they haven't found any evidence that Trump colluded with anyone from Russia.  It's really a waste of taxpayer money at this point.  They have only gotten a couple people on crimes before Trump even ran for office, and the crimes are completely unrelated.

 You need to go back and reread my post above.  I never said YOU did I said "your side" did. Like my brother said they put out Facebook ads against Hillary. So what. I never saw them. Even if I did I wasn't voting for her anyway. I'm fairly certain it didn't sway those that were already voting against her. If so how is this any different then Hillary paying for and using a fake document to smear candidate Trump? Or Obama using surveillance to spy on then citizen Trump. And Clinton and her team making sure she won the primary against Berny by cheeting.

 Oh and also, Mueller and Comie are no more republicans then Bloomberg is.?

My side ? There should only be one side on this matter. EVERYBODY SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT OUR ELECTIONS.

 Yes your side!!! You're right everyone should be concerned about our election. But if the left is so concerned then why are they against voter IDs? Everybody knows that illegals vote. Especially in CA. Voter ID would put a stop to voter fraud. Who's not for that? The dems that's who. Otherwise illegals and the dead couldn't vote for them.

I'm not sure of your theory. Do you feel illegal immigrants are faking to be someone else and voting ?

 They don't have to fake being anyone else. They are allowed to vote in many cities anyway. Is that real hard to understand?

If everyone had to show ID to vote there would no voter fraud. You have to have an ID to drive,buy alcohol,a car,a house or do any banking,ect.... Oh and to get welfare and food stamps. So why doesn't it make sense to show an ID to vote? The left has said making someone show ID to vote is racist. HOW is that racist?

Don't get all pissy now. I'm just trying to understand exactly what you are saying.

 I'm not '"pissy". Let me spell it out for you since you can't seam to comprehend what I am saying...

.... I-L-L-E-G-A-L-S  H-A-V-E  A-N-D  S-T-I-L-L  V-O-T-E  I-N  O-U-R  E-L-E-C-T-I-O-N-S...

 Do you understand it NOW ?

I understand that's what you believe.

[old2soon]

            Most recent election here I was Asked Politely for my Photo I D which either my drivers license or my V A card-both have photos-would suffice. AND I knew the Lady asking for my I D we've attended the same Church services for bout 15 years. And I asked her politely What would have transpired had I Not produced a Valid photo I D. The Lady told me I would Not be allowed to vote even though she doe's in fact know me. And That I'm here to tell ya was THAT. Basically-no tickee no washee. And I was NO how NO way made to feel inferior or less of a Man because I was asked for my I D. It wasn't even close to an inconvenience. The need for the I D was in the paper and posters were outside the different polling stations. East peasy. ANYONE takes showing I D the wrong way may either have a warrant out on them or in fact be ILLEGAL. While still driving truck Many of the loads I hauled I was REQUIRED to show my C D L and my Current medical card. Added an entire minute or two to the transaction. B F D. Checking the Identification I M H O ONLY makes Sense these days. RIDE SAFE.

[Serk]

.... I-L-L-E-G-A-L-S  H-A-V-E  A-N-D  S-T-I-L-L  V-O-T-E  I-N  O-U-R  E-L-E-C-T-I-O-N-S...

I understand that's what you believe.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/non-citizens-registered-to-vote-in-texas-some-cast-ballots/287-586659115

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/01/names-non-us-citizens-increasingly-found-on-voter-rolls.html

If simple voter-id laws can stop just one illegal vote from being cast, isn't it worth it?

Keep in mind every illegal vote cast effectively disenfranchises a legitimate voter by canceling out their vote.

Isn't nothing more important than protecting the sanctity, honesty, and truthiness of the vote?

[Moonshot_1]

So if I understand this correctly, foreign nationals who illegally enter this country, get subsidized by our tax dollars, would send their kids to our schools, work, go to church, and live among us, they draw the line at voting?

And you believe this because??

[carolinarider09]

Lets see.  I have to have a valid ID to fly on a commercial airliner.  I have to have a valid ID to enter a federal building.  This just names a few of the current requirements that limit my access to things.

Since voting is a corner stone of our republic, why should I not have to show an ID to exercise that privilege/right?

For instance, here in South Carolina when I last went to vote, I showed them my "Voter ID Card".  They said they would rather have my "Driver's License".  Not a problem.  

And yes I know that the possession of a "Driver's License" does not mean I am a U. S. Citizen but it does show that I am who I said I was and my vote will count as I made it.

While I don't think voter fraud rampant, as someone else said, one illegal vote is one vote too many.

[¿spoom]

Lets see.  I have to have a valid ID to fly on a commercial airliner.  I have to have a valid ID to enter a federal building.  This just names a few of the current requirements that limit my access to things.

Since voting is a corner stone of our republic, why should I not have to show an ID to exercise that privilege/right?

For instance, here in South Carolina when I last went to vote, I showed them my "Voter ID Card".  They said they would rather have my "Driver's License".  Not a problem.  

And yes I know that the possession of a "Driver's License" does not mean I am a U. S. Citizen but it does show that I am who I said I was and my vote will count as I made it.

While I don't think voter fraud rampant, as someone else said, one illegal vote is one vote too many.

The vehement court fights against photo ID were because it hit a nerve, not because the requirements were actually oppressive. Anyone lucid enough to work a computer knows that things, but the regs are contrary or inconvenient to their vision for the Country, so they simply deny or ignore.

[Psychotic Bovine]

.... I-L-L-E-G-A-L-S  H-A-V-E  A-N-D  S-T-I-L-L  V-O-T-E  I-N  O-U-R  E-L-E-C-T-I-O-N-S...

I understand that's what you believe.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/non-citizens-registered-to-vote-in-texas-some-cast-ballots/287-586659115

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/01/names-non-us-citizens-increasingly-found-on-voter-rolls.html

If simple voter-id laws can stop just one illegal vote from being cast, isn't it worth it?

Keep in mind every illegal vote cast effectively disenfranchises a legitimate voter by canceling out their vote.

Isn't nothing more important than protecting the sanctity, honesty, and truthiness of the vote?

It's not just that, Serk.  It doesn't just cancel out a vote, but actually steals it.  You see, a good percentage of identity theft is committed by illegals.  Those SS#'s, CC, and DL#'s usually come from legitimate people.  People who have had their identities stolen.

[phideux]

The grilling that Ohr is facing are all questions that Congress already knows the answers to.
Lying to Congress, or pleading the 5th will not help him avoid the train that is just around the bend to scoop up all these DOJ, FBI and CIA criminals. I am guessing that Congress will also try and extradite Christopher Steel as well.

Scoop up and do what with them.  Hold them accountable for their actions and actually be punished?  In our lifetime?  

To start with....drag them over the same coals as Flynn, Manafort, Papadopoulos and Cohen until they are bankrupt and forced to sell everything to pay the D.C. lawyers who have been making a killing off all these corrupt people, on both sides of the isle...squeeze 'em 'till they squeal. Doesn't matter if they are all convicted, just the bankruptcies alone are just punishment.
What's the saying...what goes around comes around.
Many of the Obama insiders are guilty of provable treason, Including Hillary...just for the Uranium One/Clinton Foundation Scandal alone, never mind all the evidence to still be extracted, compiled and investigated from Anthony Weiner's Laptop.
And if you are wondering why I am so interested...being a student of history is no where near as interesting as watching it all happen live.

At the least, Manafort deserved how ever many coals that were used. Regardless of his professional job skills & accomplishments, he needed to go down for equal skills at avoiding taxes and financial laws. 

Just like they went after folks like Al Sharpton and Timothy Geithner(Obama appointed Treasury dept head), for Tax evasion????

[¿spoom]

The grilling that Ohr is facing are all questions that Congress already knows the answers to.
Lying to Congress, or pleading the 5th will not help him avoid the train that is just around the bend to scoop up all these DOJ, FBI and CIA criminals. I am guessing that Congress will also try and extradite Christopher Steel as well.

Scoop up and do what with them.  Hold them accountable for their actions and actually be punished?  In our lifetime?  

To start with....drag them over the same coals as Flynn, Manafort, Papadopoulos and Cohen until they are bankrupt and forced to sell everything to pay the D.C. lawyers who have been making a killing off all these corrupt people, on both sides of the isle...squeeze 'em 'till they squeal. Doesn't matter if they are all convicted, just the bankruptcies alone are just punishment.
What's the saying...what goes around comes around.
Many of the Obama insiders are guilty of provable treason, Including Hillary...just for the Uranium One/Clinton Foundation Scandal alone, never mind all the evidence to still be extracted, compiled and investigated from Anthony Weiner's Laptop.
And if you are wondering why I am so interested...being a student of history is no where near as interesting as watching it all happen live.

At the least, Manafort deserved how ever many coals that were used. Regardless of his professional job skills & accomplishments, he needed to go down for equal skills at avoiding taxes and financial laws. 

Just like they went after folks like Al Sharpton and Timothy Geithner(Obama appointed Treasury dept head), for Tax evasion????

Just like they SHOULD have gone after folks like Al Sharpton and Timothy Geithner.