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Author Topic: How America can get another four years of Trump  (Read 2218 times)
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« Reply #40 on: September 11, 2018, 12:41:03 PM »

Before we get too carried away we need to remember that a majority of the Americans who voted voted Democrat in the 2016 presidential election.  Donald Trump has successfully retained his devoted supporters but shows no real sign of gaining supporters who voted against him in the presidential election.

To influence the mid term elections, which are very important, the supporters of the Trump plan need to gain some numbers from previous opposition.  The left and the MSM are fighting hard to see that that doesn't happen.

I do think that more noise from the former President can certainly excite more right wing voters to get out and cast.
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« Reply #41 on: September 11, 2018, 02:25:21 PM »

Their report draws attention to a move by former President Barack Obama to stop sending so-called “no match” letters to employers notifying them that numbers used by employees on the wage forms do not match their identity.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/illegal-immigrants-cited-in-theft-of-39-million-social-security-numbers
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« Reply #42 on: September 11, 2018, 05:39:47 PM »


"BTW, I became a registered Democrat almost two years ago.   Hoping to help change that party from within.   So far, it ain't working......   Embarrassed"

If you want to change the Democratic Party, may I suggest voting Republican? Only when they continue to find themselves irrelevant from their own death spiral towards one world order and American self-mutilation will they turn inwards and start to inch back towards something worthy of anything but disdain. Joining an organization to change it doesn't work.

"You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”

―  Buckminster Fuller

I believe the MAGA concept IS that new model, even though it's actually over 200 years old.

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« Reply #43 on: September 11, 2018, 06:21:53 PM »


"BTW, I became a registered Democrat almost two years ago.   Hoping to help change that party from within.   So far, it ain't working......   Embarrassed"

If you want to change the Democratic Party, may I suggest voting Republican? Only when they continue to find themselves irrelevant from their own death spiral towards one world order and American self-mutilation will they turn inwards and start to inch back towards something worthy of anything but disdain. Joining an organization to change it doesn't work.

"You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”

―  Buckminster Fuller

I believe the MAGA concept IS that new model, even though it's actually over 200 years old.

Spoom,
By changing the party from with in, I want the opportunity to have a say in who gets to the real election ballot and only applies to the primaries.   In Kentucky, if you aren't a registered Dem, you have very little to vote for in the primaries.    While I admit to never voting a straight ticket, on Election Day I always vote Conservative.   Normally that means Republican.

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« Reply #44 on: September 12, 2018, 01:59:07 AM »

These days even Republicans are not Conservative enough for me.
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« Reply #45 on: September 12, 2018, 03:58:39 AM »

These days even Republicans are not Conservative enough for me.

Republicans did not want Trump for their candidate, most are just another side of the same coin.
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« Reply #46 on: September 12, 2018, 06:59:01 AM »

Whatever gets Trump elected for a second term is a good thing!  cooldude
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« Reply #47 on: September 12, 2018, 07:04:48 AM »

I totally agree with almost everything you said here.

Back in late July, early August of 2016, I came to the conclusion that Donald Trump was going to be President. I even wrote it down somewhere. Maybe even posted it on these forums at the time.
The reason I came to that conclusion was largely based on the size of the Trump rallies during the campaign.

Trump was on “Fox and Friends” every Tuesday, I think, a year or so before the Presidential campaigns began. Rumors going around that he might run.
I told the wife then that if he decides to run he is going to disrupt the Political world!
1)   He’s got all the money in the world, so he can’t be bought by special interest groups that expect him to do their bidding once elected
2)   He’s a businessman who knows how to run a business and well experienced along those lines.

Turns out I was right!

If you were to look at the polling data at the time, Clinton always seemed to be considerably ahead in the race. Yet it seemed Trump could fill a 30k arena at will and Clinton would struggle to fill any venue unless she brought along Hollywood stars and pop icons.

I’ve heard this too that the only way Clinton had the crowds she did was due to the celebrities that performed.
Makes sense because otherwise you’d have to sit there and listen to the SOS speech from a lying career politician.

One of the points here is that this was not some anomaly. This was the common state of affairs at the time and the polls did not reflect that.

I would surmise that if Jeb Bush, Rubio or Cruz were the leading candidates in the Republican primary, they would have had the same level of support that Clinton had. Which is what the polling was showing.
The polling models being used were based on typical Republican/Democrat models. A 2 party system polling model.
But Trump, although running on the Republican ticket isn’t really a Republican in the establishment sense. Hell, the Republican establishment wants him out maybe even more than the Democrat establishment does. Trump is simply a pragmatist.

Probably learned the lesson from the Ross Perot run, never had a chance of winning but took enough votes away from one candidate to allow the other to win.
Knowing “Independent candidates” have a snowballs chance in he11 to win, he was smart enough to run as one of the two major parties, and chose the republicans.

 
What the polling model didn’t and couldn’t consider was that there exists an entire political party, larger than either the Republican or Democrat parties. Ironically, Hillary named them. “The Deplorables”

Maybe this should be the name of a new party, like the “TEA” party!!

These are a vast contingent of people who typically lean conservative and have become disillusioned about politics in this country. They have been waiting for a leader that was willing to stand up to the establishment and take them down. To fix the things that have been abused and broken. And Trump steps up.
 His rallies continue. Trump generally fills most venues, generally large ones, with many more people looking to get in and usually does it with out a bunch of Hollywood or pop icon types. The people come to see and support Trump.

This leads me to think that there is likely to be a large red political wave for the midterms. And like the general election in 16, you are not going to see it in the polls but in the actual election. The polling models just can’t account for it. They don't know how.

I hope it will be a large red wave and people don’t sit on the butts thinking “we got this in the bag, there can’t be that many stupid people that vote blue. I don’t need to go vote”.

On a related note, that Hillary lost because she was a "bad Candidate".

WAIT!!! Have you not been paying attention?
Remember, it was:
Comey
Or low information voters
Or husbands told wife’s who to vote for
Or Russia
Or the Electoral college
Or Sanders voters
Or various other reasons too many to list here, according to her!

So pay attention Moon (of course we all know why she lost, she was a “bad candidate”).

This is undeniably true. But on the morning of Nov. 8, 2016 every democrat in the country knew that Hillary was going to win, win in a landslide, because she was an awesomely great candidate. In the early evening, Hillary was going to win because she was a great candidate. Again, this was nearly universally true among the Democrats. By 11 o'clock she was one of the lousiest candidates we the Democrats ever had. "What were we thinking??"
Ahhh…

Good memories…
I clearly remember the feeling I had when I turned on the TV that morning, dreading to hear “President Clinton”.
But instead seeing pictures of Clinton supporters wailing in disbelief!!
And then the joy and relief I had hearing Donald J Trump was our President!!!

Good times…
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« Reply #48 on: September 12, 2018, 05:47:31 PM »

I worked here in Dallas at Ross Perot's phone bank both times and supported Ron Paul runs----so I got a little inside views....both were outside the Party and were back stabbed by the Party and Media...google up "TheMoneyMasters.com. of "the history of money and banking in the United States"..it is always follow the money...and the top 1,200 people own 80% of it worldwide.
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« Reply #49 on: September 15, 2018, 09:15:13 AM »

FACTS DO MATTER !

They sure do.   The facts are we are spending your grandkids future on all kinds of free stuff and vote buying programs.   Prove me wrong and show me which party promotes the most give always....

Be sure to advise you grandkids to take a foreign language, Chinese would be a good choice.
I am not a Trump fan but the Dems gave me no acceptable options.   HRC is and was pure evil.

Rams
Those pesky facts again. Do you have any idea of the budget deficits we are currently running up  ?

To some extent, I saw your graph in another thread.   Those deficits are a result of legislation from......?
Not even related. That was a pie chart of where our money goes. The question I asked, was do you know what our CURRENT budget deficit is ? You can believe what you want, it won't change the facts though. (That was kind of my point)

And, my point was who is/was (party) responsible for the legislation allowing those massive deficits you are so proud of.    Deflecting the discussion to the size of the deficit doesn't put a tail on that donkey.   

What is the Democratic Party leadership's answer those deficits?   In most cases it's more taxes on those already carrying the burden, more give away vote buying legislation.   
It's easy to spend other people's money.   

IMHO, DJC was elected due to two major issues.   Conservative Americans wanted change from the Obama era path and the Dems offered up a candidate that was totally unacceptable.

Rams
You truly are deluded. Where have I ever said or implied I am proud of deficits ? You have evidently let your mind become so warped with hate for the other party that you can't see that we are racking up massive budget deficits with the current regime of leaders (who call themselves conservatives)

 We as conservatives believe the eight years of Obama were an absolute disaster. Even some dems did too. My wife's democratic aunt and uncle voted for Trump because of what Obama did to this country.

 I have a question for you Rob. Hillary basically ran on Obama's policies. If said policies were so great how did Trump win?
She should have won in a landside.

The fact is Obama almost doubled the national debt. DOUBLED. More than the previous 43 presidents combined.  There is a fact for you.

 Trump won because Obama's hopeless change didn't work and America didn't want more of the same with Hillary.


We have talked about why Clinton lost till the cows come home. She sucked as a candidate. The issue with Rams post is this : he seems to believe (along with many others) that we are in this debt of ours because Democrats give away all the money to buy votes. There are so many problems with this thesis, it would take a week to list them all. My point in trying to explain where we are at now is that the Republicans control the Senate, the Whitehouse, the House of Representatives. Yet last year we racked up a budget deficit of approximately 690 billion. This year these same "conservatives" are going to rack up close to 900 billion. Trump's own Whitehouse is projecting over a trillion each for the next 2 years. And this is happening in an environment of a booming economy, not a huge recession.
  Yeah, they are "Conservatives" all right.  Shocked

Yeah they racked up a 690B$ deficit one year, almost 900B$ the next, might be a Trillion next year, Still better than the 2.5-3 Trillion the other guy racked up every year.
Personally I think the government should be held to sticking to a budget, and the last thing to be paid out of that budget would be all the salaries, perks, benefits, ancillary staff, real estate leases, etc, of the house, senate, executive branches, along with all the various alphabet agencies. Don't make budget?? Oh well, you don't get paid. All government perks and benefits should be what the common man gets. No million dollar health care that we pay for, all of the government should have to buy and pay for their on health care on the open exchange.
The vast majority of entitlement programs need to be reformed.
Reduce government back to public service, not a career path.
Stop ALL foreign aid, we cannot keep supporting the rest of the world, bring all our troops home, this war on Terror has done more to antagonize terrorists and make them do stuff than to eliminate them. After 9/11 we hemmed and hawwed for weeks, then started an 18yr war against folks that did noting to attack us. If they attack us again, swift justice against the home country of the terrorists. End ALL refugee programs from the Middle East, let the middle east take care of the middle east, stop spending trillions there doing nothing.
I would be embarrassed to call myself either a R or a D, I'm a real person with common sense.
No raising of the debt ceiling. Imagine your house breaks a sewer line and you living room is filling up with crap, what do you do??? Raise the ceilings or pump out the crap???? We need to pump the crap out of Washington.
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« Reply #50 on: September 15, 2018, 10:03:13 AM »



We have talked about why Clinton lost till the cows come home. She sucked as a candidate. The issue with Rams post is this : he seems to believe (along with many others) that we are in this debt of ours because Democrats give away all the money to buy votes. There are so many problems with this thesis, it would take a week to list them all. My point in trying to explain where we are at now is that the Republicans control the Senate, the Whitehouse, the House of Representatives. Yet last year we racked up a budget deficit of approximately 690 billion. This year these same "conservatives" are going to rack up close to 900 billion. Trump's own Whitehouse is projecting over a trillion each for the next 2 years. And this is happening in an environment of a booming economy, not a huge recession.
  Yeah, they are "Conservatives" all right.  Shocked

Yeah they racked up a 690B$ deficit one year, almost 900B$ the next, might be a Trillion next year, Still better than the 2.5-3 Trillion the other guy racked up every year.

[/quote]I guess if you hear something enough times it becomes true to you Shocked But, it doesn’t make it fact. Your numbers are nowhere even close.  coolsmiley
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« Reply #51 on: September 15, 2018, 12:41:33 PM »

From what I've seen, the only time a party voices any concern about the budget is when they're not in power.

-RP
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« Reply #52 on: September 15, 2018, 01:52:38 PM »

From what I've seen, the only time a party voices any concern about the budget is when they're not in power.

-RP
Pretty close  cooldude but, there were 3 years of Clinton’s term when the planets aligned  Smiley
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« Reply #53 on: September 15, 2018, 03:54:58 PM »

From what I've seen, the only time a party voices any concern about the budget is when they're not in power.

-RP
Pretty close  cooldude but, there were 3 years of Clinton’s term when the planets aligned  Smiley
Yes and you can kindly thank the House and Senate for doing it.
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