When is it ok

[Jess from VA]

There is really no justification for throwing punches for insults (no matter how insulting).

The civilized art form is to intelligently (and humorously if at all possible with a smile on your face), to return the insult in kind, belittling and humiliating the insulter, with any standers-by laughing with you.

The Machiavellian art form is to return the insult so well that it drives the insulter to throw the first punch (or two), and then you are free to defend yourself.  But remember that just because the other guy thew the first punch, doesn't mean you both don't get charged with assault (which is pretty SOP with the constabulary) (we'll let the Judge figure this out).   

OR, just walk away.

My favorite insult of all time (from childhood) was.... Your mother wears combat boots.   Mine didn't, but the image was so funny I was not insulted, I was laughing at the image.

[Gryphon Rider]

The civilized art form is to intelligently (and humorously if at all possible with a smile on your face), to return the insult in kind, belittling and humiliating the insulter, with any standers-by laughing with you.

Winston Churchill was a master of the insult-in-kind.

From https://www.buzzfeed.com/expresident/wittiest-comebacks-of-all-time:

Vs. George Bernard Shaw:

[Alpha Dog]

Never ever punch a girl, woman, lady, etc.   However when needed a proper spanking may be in order.

Right Duke.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=zY9V91TW&id=6420C12381ACDAF4841EDA7EE1D8107198669D7F&thid=OIP.zY9V91TWqSu7TooDmxNo7wHaGX&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2frisbastu.files.wordpress.com%2f2016%2f02%2fmclintock-1-669x576.jpg%3fw%3d537%26h%3d462&exph=462&expw=537&q=john+wayne+spanks+maureen+o%27hara&simid=608027750867141090&selectedIndex=7&ajaxhist=0

[Cyclejohn]

1) When is it OK to punch women in the face ?

2) Is there ever a circumstance where you can contemplate punching a woman in the face for something they said ?

3) Is there any you would consider ?

Are these questions aimed solely at the male populace here?

1) When their actions warrant it.

2) Circumstance...yes    /    Said...no (unless it is tied in with the circumstance)

3) Yes

[The emperor has no clothes]

Regarding striking someone for some insult or slanderous statement, there are always wiser ways to handle the situation.  If nothing else, remember that eventually justice will prevail; Jesus said, "But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment." (Matthew 12:36, NASB)

I’m sure you are correct. Someone earlier asked when is it ok to punch a man for something said ? Probably never. But, I don’t know if I would be able to walk away if someone was insulting my wife or grandkids. I hope I would, but I’m not nearly as sure as I am about punching a woman.

What if a woman was insulting your wife or grandkids? You are quick to judge people on what they say but probably the first to act out of line. 

I have already stated I can’t think of a circumstance where I would punch a woman for something she said.

[The emperor has no clothes]

1) When is it OK to punch women in the face ?

2) Is there ever a circumstance where you can contemplate punching a woman in the face for something they said ?

3) Is there any you would consider ?

Are these questions aimed solely at the male populace here?

1) When their actions warrant it.

2) Circumstance...yes    /    Said...no (unless it is tied in with the circumstance)

3) Yes

Yes, I guess they were directed at the male populace here.

[Dave Ritsema]

This does bring up an interesting quandary to the equation - With the current liberal mantra of "Trans women ARE women", insisting that any dude that claims to be a chick should be treated in every was as a woman; do the same social courtesies and protections that we as men apply to women apply to dudes in dresses? 

No quandry for me.  Sometimes it's good to not be a libertarian.  As a conservative I live within certain rules.  I know the difference between men and women.  Just because someone claims to be a cow doesn't make him a cow.

Perhaps I should find it disturbing that I tend to agree with you on most points and I do on this one as well.
I would have no quandaries punching the former(?) Bruce Jenner in the face should the situation demand it. 

[Psychotic Bovine]

This does bring up an interesting quandary to the equation - With the current liberal mantra of "Trans women ARE women", insisting that any dude that claims to be a chick should be treated in every was as a woman; do the same social courtesies and protections that we as men apply to women apply to dudes in dresses? 

No quandry for me.  Sometimes it's good to not be a libertarian.  As a conservative I live within certain rules.  I know the difference between men and women.  Just because someone claims to be a cow doesn't make him a cow.

Perhaps I should find it disturbing that I tend to agree with you on most points and I do on this one as well.
I would have no quandaries punching the former(?) Bruce Jenner in the face should the situation demand it. 

Even though I have participated in this discussion, I am wondering why this thread even exists.  I mean, it appears to have been made for the sole reason to slam another member of this board.
Am I correct in that conclusion?

[The emperor has no clothes]

This does bring up an interesting quandary to the equation - With the current liberal mantra of "Trans women ARE women", insisting that any dude that claims to be a chick should be treated in every was as a woman; do the same social courtesies and protections that we as men apply to women apply to dudes in dresses? 

No quandry for me.  Sometimes it's good to not be a libertarian.  As a conservative I live within certain rules.  I know the difference between men and women.  Just because someone claims to be a cow doesn't make him a cow.

Perhaps I should find it disturbing that I tend to agree with you on most points and I do on this one as well.
I would have no quandaries punching the former(?) Bruce Jenner in the face should the situation demand it. 

Even though I have participated in this discussion, I am wondering why this thread even exists.  I mean, it appears to have been made for the sole reason to slam another member of this board.
Am I correct in that conclusion?

It exists because I had a question how other people see it. I couldn’t think of an instance where I would punch women in the face. Evidently others feel differently. I took care not to name anyone. Gavin decided on his own to. When my views are so far different than others I try to understand why. That doesn’t mean I’m right, just means I’m different than some others.

[hubcapsc]

I know a fellow who participated in one of those programs
where civilians go out on calls with police. He (and his
real police mentors) went out on a domestic disturbance
call. When they got there to separate the man and the lady,
the lady started beating the civilian with her purse while they
were arresting the man. After a while, he said, the purse
beating was becoming hurtful and he, I think, punched the
lady in the face.

-Mike

[Psychotic Bovine]

This does bring up an interesting quandary to the equation - With the current liberal mantra of "Trans women ARE women", insisting that any dude that claims to be a chick should be treated in every was as a woman; do the same social courtesies and protections that we as men apply to women apply to dudes in dresses? 

No quandry for me.  Sometimes it's good to not be a libertarian.  As a conservative I live within certain rules.  I know the difference between men and women.  Just because someone claims to be a cow doesn't make him a cow.

Perhaps I should find it disturbing that I tend to agree with you on most points and I do on this one as well.
I would have no quandaries punching the former(?) Bruce Jenner in the face should the situation demand it. 

Even though I have participated in this discussion, I am wondering why this thread even exists.  I mean, it appears to have been made for the sole reason to slam another member of this board.
Am I correct in that conclusion?

It exists because I had a question how other people see it. I couldn’t think of an instance where I would punch women in the face. Evidently others feel differently. I took care not to name anyone. Gavin decided on his own to. When my views are so far different than others I try to understand why. That doesn’t mean I’m right, just means I’m different than some others.

I think that you made this thread to stir poop.  I would hazard a guess that I am not alone in this thinking.
I see nowhere in this thread of anyone saying it's ok to punch a genetic woman in the face for something she says.  I haven't seen any "others" that feel that way, either.

[Gavin_Sons]

This does bring up an interesting quandary to the equation - With the current liberal mantra of "Trans women ARE women", insisting that any dude that claims to be a chick should be treated in every was as a woman; do the same social courtesies and protections that we as men apply to women apply to dudes in dresses? 

No quandry for me.  Sometimes it's good to not be a libertarian.  As a conservative I live within certain rules.  I know the difference between men and women.  Just because someone claims to be a cow doesn't make him a cow.

Perhaps I should find it disturbing that I tend to agree with you on most points and I do on this one as well.
I would have no quandaries punching the former(?) Bruce Jenner in the face should the situation demand it. 

Even though I have participated in this discussion, I am wondering why this thread even exists.  I mean, it appears to have been made for the sole reason to slam another member of this board.
Am I correct in that conclusion?

You couldn't convince me otherwise.  That's ok, we all know Rob is special.

[The emperor has no clothes]

This does bring up an interesting quandary to the equation - With the current liberal mantra of "Trans women ARE women", insisting that any dude that claims to be a chick should be treated in every was as a woman; do the same social courtesies and protections that we as men apply to women apply to dudes in dresses? 

No quandry for me.  Sometimes it's good to not be a libertarian.  As a conservative I live within certain rules.  I know the difference between men and women.  Just because someone claims to be a cow doesn't make him a cow.

Perhaps I should find it disturbing that I tend to agree with you on most points and I do on this one as well.
I would have no quandaries punching the former(?) Bruce Jenner in the face should the situation demand it. 

Even though I have participated in this discussion, I am wondering why this thread even exists.  I mean, it appears to have been made for the sole reason to slam another member of this board.
Am I correct in that conclusion?

It exists because I had a question how other people see it. I couldn’t think of an instance where I would punch women in the face. Evidently others feel differently. I took care not to name anyone. Gavin decided on his own to. When my views are so far different than others I try to understand why. That doesn’t mean I’m right, just means I’m different than some others.

I think that you made this thread to stir poop.  I would hazard a guess that I am not alone in this thinking.
I see nowhere in this thread of anyone saying it's ok to punch a genetic woman in the face for something she says.  I haven't seen any "others" that feel that way, either.

You are wrong.

[baldo]

This does bring up an interesting quandary to the equation - With the current liberal mantra of "Trans women ARE women", insisting that any dude that claims to be a chick should be treated in every was as a woman; do the same social courtesies and protections that we as men apply to women apply to dudes in dresses? 

No quandry for me.  Sometimes it's good to not be a libertarian.  As a conservative I live within certain rules.  I know the difference between men and women.  Just because someone claims to be a cow doesn't make him a cow.

Perhaps I should find it disturbing that I tend to agree with you on most points and I do on this one as well.
I would have no quandaries punching the former(?) Bruce Jenner in the face should the situation demand it. 

Even though I have participated in this discussion, I am wondering why this thread even exists.  I mean, it appears to have been made for the sole reason to slam another member of this board.
Am I correct in that conclusion?

It exists because I had a question how other people see it. I couldn’t think of an instance where I would punch women in the face. Evidently others feel differently. I took care not to name anyone. Gavin decided on his own to. When my views are so far different than others I try to understand why. That doesn’t mean I’m right, just means I’m different than some others.

I think that you made this thread to stir poop.  I would hazard a guess that I am not alone in this thinking.
I see nowhere in this thread of anyone saying it's ok to punch a genetic woman in the face for something she says.  I haven't seen any "others" that feel that way, either.

What's a genetic woman? Asking for a friend.

[Willow]

...
I see nowhere in this thread of anyone saying it's ok to punch a genetic woman in the face for something she says.  I haven't seen any "others" that feel that way, either.

What's a genetic woman? Asking for a friend.

ge·net·ic
jəˈnedik
adjective
1.
relating to genes or heredity.
"all the cells in the body contain the same genetic information"
2.
relating to origin; arising from a common origin.
"the genetic relations between languages"

[Robert]

Punching in polite society is not accepted either way from a man or a woman. If the woman is physically abusing a man I would question if she is a woman. A slap or a punch is one thing from a woman, continued abuse at her hands is another story. Etiquette only goes so far and upholding it is to a mans honor not to his injury.

[scooperhsd]

Punching in polite society is not accepted either way from a man or a woman. If the woman is physically abusing a man I would question if she is a woman. A slap or a punch is one thing from a woman, continued abuse at her hands is another story. Etiquette only goes so far and upholding it is to a mans honor not to his injury.

Absolutely. I'll be a gentleman to her being a lady - but if she starts getting physically abusive, all bets are off.

[Pete]

Clarification:

I find it interesting that in later statements he cannot "think" of a situation where it might be OK.

To be clear, it is NEVER OK, nor is it ever necessary, "think" or not.

[Serk]

What's a genetic woman? Asking for a friend.

Here ya' go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5z9s_bimnw

Or for the ultra simplified version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3wcxHiorJ4

[Psychotic Bovine]

What's a genetic woman? Asking for a friend.

Here ya' go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5z9s_bimnw

Or for the ultra simplified version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3wcxHiorJ4

I hope that helps him, Serk.

PS:  Baldo, I think your friend ate paint chips as a child.

[baldo]

What's a genetic woman? Asking for a friend.

Here ya' go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5z9s_bimnw

Or for the ultra simplified version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3wcxHiorJ4

Thanks my tall friend.....I've never heard that term before........my friend thanks you, too.

[3fan4life]

That doesn’t mean I’m right, just means I’m different than some others.

We certainly know that! 

[The emperor has no clothes]

That doesn’t mean I’m right, just means I’m different than some others.

We certainly know that! 

I'm perfectly fine with that. 

[Willow]

Interesting to the discussion of genetic woman is the conversation I had while giving blood today.  One of the questions the phlebotomist is required to ask is whether the donor is male or female.  The stupid thing about that requirement is that no matter what one thinks one is or what surgeries one has had, the blood in one's veins is the gender with which one was born.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Interesting to the discussion of genetic woman is the conversation I had while giving blood today.  One of the questions the phlebotomist is required to ask is whether the donor is male or female.  The stupid thing about that requirement is that no matter what one thinks one is or what surgeries one has had, the blood in one's veins is the gender with which one was born.

Interesting. I didn't realize they were different, besides the hormones. If given female blood during a transfusion, does your voice become higher ?

[Willow]

Interesting to the discussion of genetic woman is the conversation I had while giving blood today.  One of the questions the phlebotomist is required to ask is whether the donor is male or female.  The stupid thing about that requirement is that no matter what one thinks one is or what surgeries one has had, the blood in one's veins is the gender with which one was born.

Interesting. I didn't realize they were different, besides the hormones. If given female blood during a transfusion, does your voice become higher ?

No, but you do develop an urge to sit down when you piss until the body has readjusted.  XX XY The dna is in the blood.  I'm not certain how long it takes the body to recover but the blood is continually being refreshed.

[cookiedough]

"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me."

That said - you start making moves or have actually / tried to physically hurt me - there is no men or women - only targets and non-targets. Fortunately, it has never come down to that - you treat me civil, I treat you civil.

well said, I was going to say that as well.  Man nor woman should not matter words alone do not matter but threat of physical harm and then game on no one is safe!  

If a woman pushes or hits me first (or man) I will push/hit back twice as hard.  Tick for tack!

Not to sound childish, but 'he/she started it!'    and I will finish it!

I once about 12 or so years ago had an Afro-American young punk (guessing over age 18 not sure?)  at a waterpark with my young kid at the time call me a big fat white honky out of the blue for no reason minding my own business.  I will not repeat what I said back to him but was not too nice got in his face big time but both of us were just words.  He backed down walking away laughing after I got right in his face stating something not too nice back as well while he walked away, but words for words should not provoke a fight but would have been nice to whoop his keester if he hit me first! 

[..]

Be thankful you aren't in this guys shoes because you too would be dead because you wouldn't have defended yourself BY ANY MEANS.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/son-domestic-violence-girlfriend-killed-13293538#ICID=Android_TMNewsApp_AppShare

[Serk]

So, you're riding the subway, minding your own business, when this self-righteous SJW woman pours bleach in your crotch...

Is that enough to hit her? Or at least physically restrain her and stop her from doing this?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6206701/Law-student-20-pours-water-mixed-BLEACH-mens-groins-Russia-stop-manspreading.html

Not 100% sure what I would do but if I didn't see where it came from, and just felt bleach being poured on the boys, I'd probably be throwing a punch in the direction of the applicator of said bleach, without checking their gender first.


Edit - Yes, this is more than "just words" being the justification, just found it interesting, and kinda odd that pouring bleach on men's genitals because you don't like the way they're sitting is becoming an acceptable behavior. Strange times we live in. Strange times indeed.

[Tx Bohemian]

I saw a video that showed evidence Melania was an Alien from far past Jupiter. According to the overwhelming evidence she has “mind melded” with Donald to take over our planet. I’m sure it’s true.  

Well, at least they used a "Knock-out" this time!!

Extremely easy on the eyes compared to what we HAD to look at for the last 8 years (and, unfortunately, beyond).

[3fan4life]

So, you're riding the subway, minding your own business, when this self-righteous SJW woman pours bleach in your crotch...

Is that enough to hit her? Or at least physically restrain her and stop her from doing this?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6206701/Law-student-20-pours-water-mixed-BLEACH-mens-groins-Russia-stop-manspreading.html

Not 100% sure what I would do but if I didn't see where it came from, and just felt bleach being poured on the boys, I'd probably be throwing a punch in the direction of the applicator of said bleach, without checking their gender first.


Edit - Yes, this is more than "just words" being the justification, just found it interesting, and kinda odd that pouring bleach on men's genitals because you don't like the way they're sitting is becoming an acceptable behavior. Strange times we live in. Strange times indeed.

She sounds like a Fricken Nut Job to me.  

[Jess from VA]

As an 18 year (DC) metro rider, I am here to tell you that man spreading was a problem for both genders, not just females.  The seats are two-up for medium sized people, not big people, and people mostly tried to be accommodating with each other, but it was not uncommon to have a guy sitting with wide legs get surly and combative when you sat down, and just the width of your body (legs together) forced his legs back to his own side of the seat.  Lots of people who had a long ride home would just stand up all the way home (for the same 5-8$ in fees and parking that the sitting people paid), rather than deal with the obviously combative man spreaders.  

I once accommodated a woman the size of New Jersey by squashing myself up against the cabin wall, and it was winter and the heavy coat, and steady rocking of the car, and the tremendous heat she put off just put me into a deep sleep in no time.  Eight stops later, she got up to leave, and I fell sprawling completely to the floor from the sudden lack of support; to the great humor of my fellow riders... and I laughed myself, it was funny.

Pouring bleach is a bit extreme, but the problem of the surly (always male) public transit riders is a real one.  (And forget the ever diminishing seat size on airlines.)  If you don't like pressing flesh on public transit, you should find another way to travel.  

After all, we're all just ants in the ant hill aren't we?

PS; having a fist fight in a locked moving train car is not a good idea.  You never know the psychiatric diagnosis of your opponent, or whether he is armed (if you are, you're in trouble) or his perceived friends (or soul mates) will join in to help him, and there is no way out, and even if the train stops, they won't open the doors (even if you're dying from smoke or being beaten to death, if they open the doors, you might get electrocuted on the hot rails and sue them). And kicking out the industrial strength plastic windows would be no mean feat.

I'm happy to say that from the day of my retirement, I have never set foot (or ass) on a DC metro again.  I still have some money on two DC smart cards but it will never get used by me.

Young lady, there are plenty of empty seats available, go sit your stupid ass in one (and drink your water).


If this doesn't make you love your job, I don't know what will....


And here's a long time rider's trick, when standing just inside the door (and you can't get any further in), always turn your back before the doors slam shut, so nothing important gets slammed in the doors.

Then the conductor comes on the intercom saying he can't leave with people leaning on the doors. 

Hey I'm not leaning on the doors, I'm being forced into the doors.

[DIGGER]

I had an ER visit last yr with a chemical burn on my back from 50/50 mix of bleach and water when i was putting on a back pack sprayer to get mold off my barn.   If anyone man or woman did that to me on a train there would be physical violence and assault charges filed

[Atl-Jerry]

Not for something that is said, however, while watching for threats in my daily activities I do not see gender.  Any threat must be dealt with accordingly.  There is real evil in this world and they don't always wear a scrotum.