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I did not write this but it reflects an accurate view of many folks. It was brought to my attention by a person that posts on chattanooga.com. A quick search did not turn up who to attribute it to. My personal thanks to whoever wrote this, if you know who wrote it please post it here.
Comments are welcome, but I did not post this to start a discussion. I posted this because it states an accurate viewpoint of some of us very well and very clearly.
If you do not like it please stop reading it.
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THE ANGRY MAN IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
For all the interest-group pandering that shapes modern American politics, the group that may well (decide the mid-term elections in November) might come down to the demographic of “The Angry Man.”
The Angry Man is difficult to stereotype. He comes from all economic backgrounds, from dirt-poor to filthy rich. He represents all geographic areas in America, from sophisticated urbanite to rural redneck, Deep South to Yankee North, Left Coast to Eastern Seaboard.
No matter where he’s from, Angry Men share many common traits; they aren’t asking for anything from anyone other than the promise to be able to make their own way on a level playing field. In many cases, they are independent businessmen and employ several people. They pay more than their share of taxes and they work very hard for what they have and intend to keep.
He’s used to picking up the tab, whether it’s the Christmas party for the employees at his company, three sets of braces, college educations or a beautiful wedding or two. Not because he was forced to, but because it’s the right thing to do.
The Angry Man believes the Constitution should be interpreted as it was written. It is not as a “living document” open to the whims and vagaries of appointed judges and political winds.
The Angry Man owns firearms, and he’s willing to pick up a gun and use it in defense of his home, his country and his family. He is willing to lay down his life to defend the freedom and safety of others, and the thought of killing someone if necessary to achieve those goals gives him only momentary pause.
The Angry Man is not, and never will be, a victim. Nobody like him drowned in Hurricane Katrina. He got his people together and got out. Then, he went back in to rescue those who needed help or were too stupid to help themselves in the first place.
He was selfless in this, just as often a civilian as a police officer, a National Guard soldier or a volunteer firefighter. Victimhood syndrome buzzwords; “disenfranchised,” “marginalized” and “voiceless” don’t resonate with The Angry Man. “Press ‘one’ for English” is a curse-word to him.
His last name, his race and his religion don’t matter. His ancestry might be Italian, English, African, Polish, German, Slavic, Irish, Russian, Hispanic or any of a hundred others. What does matter is that he considers himself in every way to be an American. He is proud of this country and thinks that if you aren’t, you are whole-heartedly encouraged to find one that suits you and move there.
The Angry Man is usually a man’s man. The kind of guy who likes to play poker, watch football, go hunting, play golf, maintain his own vehicles and build things. He coaches kid’s baseball, soccer and football and doesn’t ask for a penny. He’s the kind of guy who can put an addition on his house with a couple of friends, drill an oil well, design a factory or work the land.
He can fill a train with 100,000 tons of coal and get it to the power plant so that you can keep the lights on while never knowing everything it took to do that. The Angry Man is the backbone of this country.
He’s not racist, but is truly disappointed and annoyed, when people exhibit behavior that typifies the worst stereotypes of their ethnicity. He’s willing to give everybody a fair chance if they’re willing to work hard and play by the rules. He expects other people to do the same. Above all, he has integrity in everything he does.
The Angry Man votes, and he loathes the dysfunction now rampant in government. It’s the victim groups being pandered to and the “poor me” attitude that they represent. The inability of politicians to give a straight answer to an honest question. The tax dollars that are given to people who simply don’t want to do anything for themselves.
The fact that, because of very real consequences, he must stay within a budget but for some obscure reason the government he finances doesn’t. Mostly, it’s the blatantly arrogant attitude displayed implying that we are too stupid to run our own lives and only people in government are smart enough to do that.
The Angry Man has reached his limit. When a social justice agitator goes on TV, leading some rally for Black Lives Matter, safe spaces or other such nonsense, he may bite his tongue but, he remembers. When a child gets charged with carrying a concealed weapon for mistakenly bringing a penknife to school, he takes note of who the local idiots are in education and law enforcement.
But when government officials are repeatedly caught red-handed breaking the law and getting off scot-free, The Angry Man balls up his fists and readies himself for the coming fight. He knows that this fight, will be a live or die situation, so he prepares fully. Make no mistake, this is a fight in which he is not willing to lose and he will never give up.
Obama calls him a Clinger. Hillary calls him Deplorable. Bill calls him Redneck. ‘Black lives Matter’ calls him Racist. Feminists call him Sexist. ISIS calls him an Infidel.
Donald Trump calls him an American.
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2018, 06:47:36 AM » |
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I think they believe the labels they use on us are benign, that they can always say I wasn’t talking about you, just those other radicals on the right. I don’t really identify myself by party since I always vote for the person not party. But when you take the things I value and believe and label them as deplorable, I don’t forget, ever.
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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2018, 08:19:39 AM » |
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I'm not as good as the Angry Man described in this piece, but I strive to be every day. 
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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2018, 08:47:41 AM » |
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Very poorly written and full of incorrect assumptions but I do hope that the thought holds up. I hope that a large number of men (and women) holding to good American values will get out to vote even though in the past few years they haven't done so.
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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2018, 09:56:55 AM » |
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And we are fading away, the backbone of America, men that are humble, proud and honest.
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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2018, 01:22:16 PM » |
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Have to kindly disagree with you Willow. I don't think its poorly written, in fact, I think it reflects a lot of the average working man's feelings. As a nation, we've always had our differences, but in the end we were all unified. I fear that those times are now gone.
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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2018, 02:22:27 PM » |
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Have to kindly disagree with you Willow. I don't think its poorly written, ...
He mixes singular and plural in the same sentence. To an educated person, his thoughts may be quite valid but will come off as an uneducated rant and not be accepted by anyone who does not already identify. His incorrect assumptions involve projecting someone, maybe himself, onto everyone who is part of the group of "angry men". I hope he's correct about that group in its entirety showing up to express its anger at the polls.
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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2018, 03:00:06 PM » |
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I hope he is correct as well. Win or lose, hopefully everyone starts to realize that their vote counts, and that it's important more now than ever. I pray that our country finds peace in these trying times!
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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2018, 03:14:57 PM » |
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I hope he is correct as well. Win or lose, hopefully everyone starts to realize that their vote counts, ...
I hope not everyone starts to realize how important is his votes. I hope those who agree with me realize that and that those who disagree with me either don't realize the importance of their votes or they change their views.  One of the flaws in democracy is that it counts the votes of the ignorant as of equal value to the votes of the intellectually superior. 
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I hope he is correct as well. Win or lose, hopefully everyone starts to realize that their vote counts, ...
I hope not everyone starts to realize how important is his votes. I hope those who agree with me realize that and that those who disagree with me either don't realize the importance of their votes or they change their views.  One of the flaws in democracy is that it counts the votes of the ignorant as of equal value to the votes of the intellectually superior.  Given the quality of some of the so called "higher education" environments, I would tend to favor the "ignorant" in today's world.
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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2018, 03:22:50 PM » |
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The power of the Republic is in its people.
To many on the left, we do not count as we are deplorable.
To we who cherish freedom and value the union, we must count on each other to lift the country out of the washington dc swamps
Does anyone besides me think it interesting that the party that gave us secession and the civil war is hell bent on giving us a second one by pitting one american against the other?
I think they want it so they can attempt to globalize us and abolish individual and states rights. Thank you Mr Trump for undoing so much of the democrat agenda so far I pray for you every day.
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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2018, 03:33:58 PM » |
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I hope he is correct as well. Win or lose, hopefully everyone starts to realize that their vote counts, ...
I hope not everyone starts to realize how important is his votes. I hope those who agree with me realize that and that those who disagree with me either don't realize the importance of their votes or they change their views.  One of the flaws in democracy is that it counts the votes of the ignorant as of equal value to the votes of the intellectually superior.  Given the quality of some of the so called "higher education" environments, I would tend to favor the "ignorant" in today's world. Be careful. The "ignorant" group that you wish to favor are largely populated by welfare recipients and folks who are anxious to live off of rather than contribute to society. Incidentally, highly educated and intellectually superior are not necessarily synonymous. For myself I'm a high school dropout who has taught at the college level. I don't consider myself to be part of the ignorant.
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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2018, 07:04:21 PM » |
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I hope he is correct as well. Win or lose, hopefully everyone starts to realize that their vote counts, ...
I hope not everyone starts to realize how important is his votes. I hope those who agree with me realize that and that those who disagree with me either don't realize the importance of their votes or they change their views. One of the flaws in democracy is that it counts the votes of the ignorant as of equal value to the votes of the intellectually superior.  Given the quality of some of the so called "higher education" environments, I would tend to favor the "ignorant" in today's world. Be careful. The "ignorant" group that you wish to favor are largely populated by welfare recipients and folks who are anxious to live off of rather than contribute to society. Incidentally, highly educated and intellectually superior are not necessarily synonymous. For myself I'm a high school dropout who has taught at the college level. I don't consider myself to be part of the ignorant. Okay, I wasn't going to go here. Twice, I decided to just leave this to those of you who have had your rants. Then I came back and read the ongoing "opinions" on this thread and to the extent it devolved. I spend too much time on this forum (I'm making a personal note of that and vow to improve myself in that regard, as best as I can) to not stand up for who and what I believe in. Now you're going to hear my "rant" to respond. Kick me off this forum at your whim. That's not really important to me. As an actually qualified and state-certified educator in this and other states, I have known many "proud drop-outs" who will then, for the rest of their lives, constantly refer to themselves as such as if it were a badge of honor. "And in spite of dropping out, I have done (insert your incredible accomplishments here)". You have just made it very clear, Willow, that you consider yourself to be "intellectually superior". I admire people who are able to find a way to succeed in life, regardless of their limitations. And I know that formal education just doesn't work for everyone. I don't find it admirable to put down someone who is trying to express themselves but is unable to do so to your level of arrogant expectation. So their view is therefore invalid, because you found a grammatical, spelling or political flaw? Or does it just give you pleasure to "elevate" yourself by putting someone else down? I hate bullies. Of all kinds. Period. Of course you don't consider yourself ignorant. How many people do? (Wouldn't that make them the smart ones? ??? ) And ignorance and stupidity are two completely different things. Ignorance is simply not knowing the facts; stupidity is knowing the facts but ignoring them. Education is education, whether you stuck it out and did what you had to do to achieve a degree (as opposed to giving up and dropping out), or you just decided that you weren't getting what you were looking for in the institutional education system and decided to spend your time doing something that was more worthwhile to you at the time? That's also where home-schooling and everlasting personal self-education comes into play. What I object to is the juvenile name-calling of "ignorant, stupid, uneducated, crazy", etc. just because you don't agree with a viewpoint. Or the mere implying of the same, and thinking that you're so clever as you "wink-wink" to your cheerleaders during your public put-down. Your soapbox doesn't make the rules for mine. My mother is a retired English instructor who would not allow me to write anything for homework assignments that wasn't academically correct in every way. Due to her (PITA) diligence and making very good points about that ("if you can't communicate and write properly, your views will never be given full value"), I have been published many times in my life and in numerous formats. By others, not self-publishing my own "self-important wisdom". What my mother has never understood, however, is that true communication does not always require those pedantic skills. Unless you are more concerned with making red pencil marks to suggest your own superiority. Sometimes speaking, perhaps in-eloquently, from the heart reaches more people and in more profound ways. Isn't that communicating? Do you knock points off of your debate opponent because he used the word "ain't" as he/she devastated your position? I'll close this "rant" with a simple request and an apology: we are on this forum together, or at least I'd originally thought and hoped, because of a common bond of riding a great motorcycle that we can all relate to. The personal friendships and other serendipitous benefits we develop and enjoy by interacting with one another should be valued and appreciated, not denigrated with snide put-downs because someone isn't as consummate a communicator or writer such as yourself. There are those on this forum whose posts I know will probably rub me the wrong way even before I read them, but I have joined this forum with good intentions and open arms to reciprocal friendship, and long ago decided that I was willing to listen to opinions contrary to my own. And yes, I have had some of my opinions changed for the better after reading some things I thought I'd not buy. Can anyone else sign up for that? That was my request. My apology is to any of you who took your time to read this thread addition. I have always tried to not express anything, anywhere online that could ever come back to bite me. And I have always felt that it was a complete waste of my time to try to express myself to a group of people I can't see and don't know. And to you, Willow: we've never met and I truly mean no disrespect. I appreciate your under-paid and under-appreciated position in making this forum even possible. I have been in just such "leadership" (grunt) positions that get no props. Thanks for letting me express how I feel. I have enjoyed the people on this forum for a couple of years now and feel that I can share a concern without being subjected to undue static. Thanks for that. -KUGO
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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2018, 07:26:46 PM » |
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Good post.  No complaints, no arguments. I spent a lifetime writing for a living (and speaking in some courtrooms), and the goal was always accurate and grammatical perfection. Then, I finally retired (thank the good Lord). Now I take pleasure in writing here and elsewhere, and while much of is it accurate and grammatical, some of it isn't and I don't give a crap. I enjoy breaking the rules and using language that communicates even improperly. I end sentences with prepositions all the time, write run-on sentences, use dots...., lots of parenthesis, cuss (within the allowed limits), and generally have fun doing it. If someone want's to correct my work and send it back, go for it. Life never has enough humor in it and that would be funny.  The first time I read Mark Twain (Sawyer and Finn), his use of common uneducated colloquialism was a revelation and an inspiration. Though my teacher pointed out it was fine to enjoy it, I was sure not going to be allowed to make it my writing style.  PS: I think most of Willow's grammatical corrections on here are intended in good fun and respectful. And sometimes, a small poke in the eye for how they wrote it (when really he didn't like the message itself much).
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« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2018, 07:41:15 PM » |
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Kugo (and Jess) you apparently didn't bother to read before taking exception. In both of my posts in this thread I stated specifically that I do not hold a differing view than the author. I'm aware of the difference between ignorant and stupid. I try to use the term that I have chosen intentionally for its meaning. My point was not to put down the author but simply to point out that his writing would not be taken seriously to change the opinion of one who did not already agree with his point. Lastly, if you took the time to read the OP you would have seen that it was not authored by the poster. I only bother to correct grammatical and spelling errors of members with whom I have a personal respectful relationship and of Jess.  I wasn't in this case referring to a few grammatical errors by the non-member author. I was pointing out that it was a viewpoint and prediction that I hope are correct but were poorly expressed. Kugo, thank you for your thoughts. They were well written.
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« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2018, 09:04:17 PM » |
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Willow: Kugo, thank you for your thoughts. They were well written. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Even though he did end a sentence or two with a preposition!  Years ago I also was a certified educator, and in that role was a stickler for proper expression when writing. In the last ~30 years prior to retirement, my administrative position required a full review of audit results for grammatical and statutory correctness prior to assessment(I was employed by the State of Florida). In that position, I didn't make many friends within the department. In the end, I had my fill of being the "writing policeman" and once retired decided that unless it was something of importance, such as a legal matter, I was going to ignore it all and both speak and write as I wanted. Yes, there are some...nay, many...grammatical and spelling errors posted on here and I generally find them amusing, mainly because through it all I still understand the author's point. Overall we have a highly intelligent group of members, some with higher degrees of education than others but you seldom see it brought up in some sort of self aggrandizement. I like that, I think it should stay that way....we're not in a classroom any longer. In closing, one item that always gives me a chuckle is when writers improperly use the word "your" in place of the contraction "you're".....there so dumb! And if I'm corrected on that last sentence, congratulations 'cuz it means you read it....or is it red....now I'm cornfused! 
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« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2018, 10:20:15 PM » |
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Hi guys! Well, I'll put in my two-cent's worth. Every day, give me a rough, honest person who knows what he is talking about, but does not use 'perfect' grammar, over a silver-tongued fool or liar who crosses every 't' and dots every 'i', but has NO CLUE what they are talking about, or purposely deceives their listener or reader. (example: President Trump vs. The Teleprompter Guy) NOT to denigrate those who DO use perfect grammar, but the message and the language skill are different things. Sometimes they overlap, sometimes they don't. I thought it was a good post, but I can also agree that 'speling' and grammar errors that exceed a certain level do tend to degrade the writer's credibility...... and it seems to me that, that level depends on the READER. For myself, I try to write so that the reader would read it as I would speak. And yes, I DO use a series of dots to ........ describe a pause! Over the years, I have found that there are several -perhaps many- different types of 'intelligence', and it does happen that a person who is an absolute artist at hunting, or handling large animals, or working with tools, or a TIG welder, or a paint gun, or driving a bulldozer sculpting a landscape, may not be very talented at writing. They are different skills. Sometimes they overlap, sometimes they do not. As the lead carpenter (a very decent, smart 'country boy') who framed my house once said....."I can talk to most of these construction guys pretty good, but Roofers and Concrete Finishers are a little...... different!" If some big, sweaty, rough, angry guy says to you "I'm a-fixin' to Bust you in the Mouth!"..... you may criticize his grammar, but if you decide you don't give credence to what he is saying...... you'll figure out that you were wrong soon enough! Here is a guy I think 'says it' pretty well. Humor me, and view the video in this link, the segment starting at: 1:59, and running for about 1 minute. (Of course you are welcome to watch the whole video, but bring a towel. You'll have tears- of Laughter!- running down your face by the end of it!) Link: https://intellectualfroglegs.com/red-tsunami/
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First I agree with the original post. I would say I am part of the angry men.
I spent the last 33 years working as a GM auto technician. I have never been very good at spelling or grammer. My brother Chris (Psychotic Bovine) majored in English so he is much better then myself at making complete sentences. At times I look to him for writing advice. As he looks to me for my mechanical experience...
During my time as a tech I had to write many repair orders after repairing vehicles. They had to be short and to the point. For instance. A customer might come in for say a check engine light. After making the diagnosis and the repair it might go as such. 'Installed scan tool to check for codes. Found code for O2 sensor fault. Performed diagnosis and circuit tests per code. Found O2 sensor is defective. Replace sensor. Cleared code. Test drove vehicle. Vehicle is repaired." Officially I would put the code in the story and the story would much more detailed if it was warranty. Warranty requires more details to get paid correctly. When making a story for a customer they have to be able to understand what they are reading and not be to technical. I am writing this to tell you I rely on spell check a lot. Sometimes a word gets missed. I have been corrected on this board many times by one person who will go nameless (not Willow). I am not a English major,never claimed to be so if you see me mispell a word now and then or use the wrong context you'll know why............
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Even with spell check you have to be careful. It doesn't know the difference between does not and doe snot.
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Even with spell check you have to be careful. It doesn't know the difference between does not and doe snot.
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« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2018, 06:56:16 PM » |
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In spite of my good intentions to just stay away for awhile, I realized today that I didn't really want to do that. And you all know why, because you feel the same way. When I posted my bit of vitriol originally (Reply #14, above), I wasn't angry. I was exasperated. I expressed some of that with a very honest and heartfelt post, which several of you have kindly responded to. And whether you agreed with my thoughts or quite respectfully disagreed, each and every one of you responded without any malice whatsoever. As well as contributing other pertinent viewpoints to round off the edges of the sensitive topic. I guess I was expecting someone to be aggressively upset with me, and I was ready for it. I'll try to chill that a bit, out of respect for the way you all have responded. And that goes double for Willow. I want everyone to know that I fully agree with every single word of every single response following my long post above. (At least up to the point that I started this reply, some hours ago. Household distractions, including needy pets have strung this out.) Thank you, All, for your replies, for your willingness to be thoughtful about what we've been discussing, and for showing that you have far more class than a group of Congressmen who shall remain nameless. Or should be. (Dang; just had to throw that in. Sorry, again. I'm fallible.) 
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« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2018, 10:49:14 PM » |
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Good posts all! SixGun, you're my kind of guy!
Gee, maybe we can get a good argument going about.... well, something that can be argued to death, and never reach a solid conclusion. Something like.... ....Batteries, ....Motor Oil, ....Speakers, ....Tires
Of course, we should leave Religion and (most) Politics out of it. We don't want to get TOO mad at each other!
Between me and my son, we have a never-ending contest and 'discussion' about who has come up with the 'Best' Potato Chip. I once opened a fresh bag of chips, grabbed the first chip out of the bag and tossed it to the DOG, and as her jaws closed around it, I realized that THERE..... THERE!...was the Perfect chip! Lost! Wasted on a DOG! Ugh!
All the Best, Y'all!
And if you are ever on I-10, passing through Mississippi, take the Mile #16 off-ramp and stop in! I'm at 2346 Airport Drive, on the south side of the Interstate.
By the way, 'Cruisin' the Coast' is this week, from Sunday through Saturday, from Pascagoula (Home of the Squirrel Revival and almost to Alabama) to Bay Saint Louis (almost getting into Louisiana). Lots of Hot-Rods, Antiques, Muscle Cars..... and a LOT of Tire Kickin', Story Telling, and BBQ Eating!
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« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2018, 07:40:09 AM » |
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It has been a while. The post of the Angry Man, in my opinion, was/is spot-on.  This country, again "my opinion", is being ruined by, oh, I don't know, any number of groups of power-hungry men, women, transgenders, etc. Now, if you wanna talk motorcycles, beer, bbq, tires, batteries, oil, potato chips, whatever, just leave me the f*** out of talking trash about our current president. NOBODY seems to hear all the good he is doing, meeting with other world leaders and having constructive conversations, making "deals" in order to improve this country's economy as well as being beneficial to theirs. The mainstream media does not want to hear about it. They seem to be intent on undermining the president so that they can further their agenda. If you think that I am wrong in "my opinion", well, let me give you an acronym: DILLIGAF?  RIDE SAFE, Y'ALL!!!!!
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« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2018, 08:07:53 AM » |
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It has been a while. The post of the Angry Man, in my opinion, was/is spot-on.  This country, again "my opinion", is being ruined by, oh, I don't know, any number of groups of power-hungry men, women, transgenders, etc. Now, if you wanna talk motorcycles, beer, bbq, tires, batteries, oil, potato chips, whatever, just leave me the f*** out of talking trash about our current president. NOBODY seems to hear all the good he is doing, meeting with other world leaders and having constructive conversations, making "deals" in order to improve this country's economy as well as being beneficial to theirs. The mainstream media does not want to hear about it. They seem to be intent on undermining the president so that they can further their agenda. If you think that I am wrong in "my opinion", well, let me give you an acronym: DILLIGAF?  RIDE SAFE, Y'ALL!!!!! I've nearly worn out my DILLIGAFF. (Note mine has a FF). Where can I get a new one?
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« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2018, 08:44:32 AM » |
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While I didn't agree with you Kugo, I would never do so with any malice. Malice creates more malice. I respect everyone's opinions and thoughts, always have my whole life. Although I might not agree, you are entitled to your thoughts and opinions. Glad it didn't blow up into anything. Tolerance is more important today then ever. If we can all respect each other's opinions without becoming angry, perhaps things will slowly change for the better.
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« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2018, 04:50:32 PM » |
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Hey guys I'm going to let you in a little secret
The Trumps, the Clintons or any of the presidents and their families...
They don't give a crap about you. You're nothing but trash to those kind of people. It's crazy people still can't seem to realize this...
Just make your money and be nice to people.
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« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2018, 04:40:23 AM » |
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Hey guys I'm going to let you in a little secret
The Trumps, the Clintons or any of the presidents and their families...
They don't give a poop about you. You're nothing but trash to those kind of people. It's crazy people still can't seem to realize this...
Just make your money and be nice to people.
Yea that is a bit cynical don't you think? Most presidents yes. The Clinton's and Obama's for sure. They are only in it for the money plain and simple. But Trump walked away from his billionaire lifestyle to become president for NO pay to bring America back from the brink of disaster that was the Obama administration. Is he "one of us"? No but he sure as hell treats us a whole lot better any past presidents. Especially the dems......
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« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2018, 04:47:03 AM » |
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Hey guys I'm going to let you in a little secret
The Trumps, the Clintons or any of the presidents and their families...
They don't give a poop about you. You're nothing but trash to those kind of people. It's crazy people still can't seem to realize this...
Just make your money and be nice to people.
Thought you were going to let us in on a secret.......... Still waiting  I agree with Mark though. Trump left his billionaire lifestyle to work for free. And he doesn't care about the American people? How do you figure? Trump is all about his money and for him to leave that to work for nothing says something about him.
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« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2018, 06:54:12 AM » |
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I hope he is correct as well. Win or lose, hopefully everyone starts to realize that their vote counts, ...
I hope not everyone starts to realize how important is his votes. I hope those who agree with me realize that and that those who disagree with me either don't realize the importance of their votes or they change their views.  One of the flaws in democracy is that it counts the votes of the ignorant as of equal value to the votes of the intellectually superior.  Given the quality of some of the so called "higher education" environments, I would tend to favor the "ignorant" in today's world. Be careful. The "ignorant" group that you wish to favor are largely populated by welfare recipients and folks who are anxious to live off of rather than contribute to society. Incidentally, highly educated and intellectually superior are not necessarily synonymous. For myself I'm a high school dropout who has taught at the college level. I don't consider myself to be part of the ignorant. I'm afraid your, "Be careful. The "ignorant" group that you wish to favor are largely populated by welfare recipients and folks who are anxious to live off of rather than contribute to society." is more false than what you commented on in the article. Many of those who live off of society absolutely intelligent AND educated, that's part of why they DO successfully live off of society by voting for and taking advantage of socialist plans. If those who suckle off Uncle Sam were stupid, they'd be easy to destroy.
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« Reply #31 on: October 01, 2018, 06:55:25 AM » |
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Hey guys I'm going to let you in a little secret
The Trumps, the Clintons or any of the presidents and their families...
They don't give a poop about you. You're nothing but trash to those kind of people. It's crazy people still can't seem to realize this...
Just make your money and be nice to people.
No, you are wrong. No secret.
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« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2018, 07:27:22 AM » |
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I'm afraid your, "Be careful. The "ignorant" group that you wish to favor are largely populated by welfare recipients and folks who are anxious to live off of rather than contribute to society." is more false than what you commented on in the article. Many of those who live off of society absolutely intelligent AND educated, that's part of why they DO successfully live off of society by voting for and taking advantage of socialist plans. If those who suckle off Uncle Sam were stupid, they'd be easy to destroy.
No, I'm correct. There are indeed some intelligent and educated persons who take advantage of the system to thrive, but in numbers the vast majority are uneducated residents of the inner cities. Conservative votes among welfare recipients are rare. Ignorant and stupid are not synonymous although their group boundaries do overlap.
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« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2018, 07:43:56 AM » |
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Hey guys I'm going to let you in a little secret
The Trumps, the Clintons or any of the presidents and their families...
They don't give a poop about you. You're nothing but trash to those kind of people. It's crazy people still can't seem to realize this...
Just make your money and be nice to people.
Yea that is a bit cynical don't you think? Most presidents yes. The Clinton's and Obama's for sure. They are only in it for the money plain and simple. But Trump walked away from his billionaire lifestyle to become president for NO pay to bring America back from the brink of disaster that was the Obama administration. Is he "one of us"? No but he sure as hell treats us a whole lot better any past presidents. Especially the dems...... Trump didn't walk away from anything. He is still a billionaire and runs his companies from behind the scenes. The reason he decided to run was for the same reason everyone with money wants....Power. He is still doing pretty good stuff for the US, but he isn't doing it for the little guy. Once you realize that, you will see him for what he and all others like him are.
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« Reply #34 on: October 01, 2018, 07:59:16 AM » |
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Hey guys I'm going to let you in a little secret
The Trumps, the Clintons or any of the presidents and their families...
They don't give a poop about you. You're nothing but trash to those kind of people. It's crazy people still can't seem to realize this...
Just make your money and be nice to people.
Yea that is a bit cynical don't you think? Most presidents yes. The Clinton's and Obama's for sure. They are only in it for the money plain and simple. But Trump walked away from his billionaire lifestyle to become president for NO pay to bring America back from the brink of disaster that was the Obama administration. Is he "one of us"? No but he sure as hell treats us a whole lot better any past presidents. Especially the dems...... Trump didn't walk away from anything. He is still a billionaire and runs his companies from behind the scenes. The reason he decided to run was for the same reason everyone with money wants....Power. He is still doing pretty good stuff for the US, but he isn't doing it for the little guy. Once you realize that, you will see him for what he and all others like him are. I am going to say this one more time because you are not listening. YOU WORRY ABOUT YOUR COUNTRY AND WE WILL TAKE CARE OF OURS. OK'... Trump is doing more for America then your moron in charge is for Canada but I don't say anything about him because it doesn't effect me. So just STFU.
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« Reply #35 on: October 01, 2018, 09:01:17 AM » |
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Hey guys I'm going to let you in a little secret
The Trumps, the Clintons or any of the presidents and their families...
They don't give a poop about you. You're nothing but trash to those kind of people. It's crazy people still can't seem to realize this...
Just make your money and be nice to people.
Yea that is a bit cynical don't you think? Most presidents yes. The Clinton's and Obama's for sure. They are only in it for the money plain and simple. But Trump walked away from his billionaire lifestyle to become president for NO pay to bring America back from the brink of disaster that was the Obama administration. Is he "one of us"? No but he sure as hell treats us a whole lot better any past presidents. Especially the dems...... Trump didn't walk away from anything. He is still a billionaire and runs his companies from behind the scenes. The reason he decided to run was for the same reason everyone with money wants....Power. He is still doing pretty good stuff for the US, but he isn't doing it for the little guy. Once you realize that, you will see him for what he and all others like him are. How's that new NAFTA deal working out for you? You enjoying that?
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« Reply #36 on: October 01, 2018, 09:30:45 AM » |
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Hey guys I'm going to let you in a little secret
The Trumps, the Clintons or any of the presidents and their families...
They don't give a poop about you. You're nothing but trash to those kind of people. It's crazy people still can't seem to realize this...
Just make your money and be nice to people.
Yea that is a bit cynical don't you think? Most presidents yes. The Clinton's and Obama's for sure. They are only in it for the money plain and simple. But Trump walked away from his billionaire lifestyle to become president for NO pay to bring America back from the brink of disaster that was the Obama administration. Is he "one of us"? No but he sure as hell treats us a whole lot better any past presidents. Especially the dems...... Trump didn't walk away from anything. He is still a billionaire and runs his companies from behind the scenes. The reason he decided to run was for the same reason everyone with money wants....Power. He is still doing pretty good stuff for the US, but he isn't doing it for the little guy. Once you realize that, you will see him for what he and all others like him are. I am going to say this one more time because you are not listening. YOU WORRY ABOUT YOUR COUNTRY AND WE WILL TAKE CARE OF OURS. OK'... Trump is doing more for America then your moron in charge is for Canada but I don't say anything about him because it doesn't effect me. So just STFU. Your seem to be operating under the misconception that American politics only affects Americans.
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« Reply #37 on: October 01, 2018, 09:39:49 AM » |
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Hey guys I'm going to let you in a little secret
The Trumps, the Clintons or any of the presidents and their families...
They don't give a poop about you. You're nothing but trash to those kind of people. It's crazy people still can't seem to realize this...
Just make your money and be nice to people.
Yea that is a bit cynical don't you think? Most presidents yes. The Clinton's and Obama's for sure. They are only in it for the money plain and simple. But Trump walked away from his billionaire lifestyle to become president for NO pay to bring America back from the brink of disaster that was the Obama administration. Is he "one of us"? No but he sure as hell treats us a whole lot better any past presidents. Especially the dems...... Trump didn't walk away from anything. He is still a billionaire and runs his companies from behind the scenes. The reason he decided to run was for the same reason everyone with money wants....Power. He is still doing pretty good stuff for the US, but he isn't doing it for the little guy. Once you realize that, you will see him for what he and all others like him are. I am going to say this one more time because you are not listening. YOU WORRY ABOUT YOUR COUNTRY AND WE WILL TAKE CARE OF OURS. OK'... Trump is doing more for America then your moron in charge is for Canada but I don't say anything about him because it doesn't effect me. So just STFU. Your seem to be operating under the misconception that American politics only affects Americans. you seem to be operating under the misconception that America should do only things that benefit Canada.
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« Reply #38 on: October 01, 2018, 09:43:52 AM » |
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Hey guys I'm going to let you in a little secret
The Trumps, the Clintons or any of the presidents and their families...
They don't give a poop about you. You're nothing but trash to those kind of people. It's crazy people still can't seem to realize this...
Just make your money and be nice to people.
Yea that is a bit cynical don't you think? Most presidents yes. The Clinton's and Obama's for sure. They are only in it for the money plain and simple. But Trump walked away from his billionaire lifestyle to become president for NO pay to bring America back from the brink of disaster that was the Obama administration. Is he "one of us"? No but he sure as hell treats us a whole lot better any past presidents. Especially the dems...... Trump didn't walk away from anything. He is still a billionaire and runs his companies from behind the scenes. The reason he decided to run was for the same reason everyone with money wants....Power. He is still doing pretty good stuff for the US, but he isn't doing it for the little guy. Once you realize that, you will see him for what he and all others like him are. I am going to say this one more time because you are not listening. YOU WORRY ABOUT YOUR COUNTRY AND WE WILL TAKE CARE OF OURS. OK'... Trump is doing more for America then your moron in charge is for Canada but I don't say anything about him because it doesn't effect me. So just STFU. Your seem to be operating under the misconception that American politics only affects Americans. you seem to be operating under the misconception that America should do only things that benefit Canada. I have no idea what you're referring to. You're response is akin to "I know you are, but what am I!"
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« Reply #39 on: October 01, 2018, 09:58:01 AM » |
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Hey guys I'm going to let you in a little secret
The Trumps, the Clintons or any of the presidents and their families...
They don't give a poop about you. You're nothing but trash to those kind of people. It's crazy people still can't seem to realize this...
Just make your money and be nice to people.
Yea that is a bit cynical don't you think? Most presidents yes. The Clinton's and Obama's for sure. They are only in it for the money plain and simple. But Trump walked away from his billionaire lifestyle to become president for NO pay to bring America back from the brink of disaster that was the Obama administration. Is he "one of us"? No but he sure as hell treats us a whole lot better any past presidents. Especially the dems...... Trump didn't walk away from anything. He is still a billionaire and runs his companies from behind the scenes. The reason he decided to run was for the same reason everyone with money wants....Power. He is still doing pretty good stuff for the US, but he isn't doing it for the little guy. Once you realize that, you will see him for what he and all others like him are. I am going to say this one more time because you are not listening. YOU WORRY ABOUT YOUR COUNTRY AND WE WILL TAKE CARE OF OURS. OK'... Trump is doing more for America then your moron in charge is for Canada but I don't say anything about him because it doesn't effect me. So just STFU. Your seem to be operating under the misconception that American politics only affects Americans. you seem to be operating under the misconception that America should do only things that benefit Canada. I have no idea what you're referring to. You're response is akin to "I know you are, but what am I!" Whatever dude. I'm sure some scripture is soon to follow.
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