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RDKLL
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« on: October 23, 2018, 03:22:09 PM »

I stumbled on to this...do not know if it true...

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/the-mega-millions-jackpot-and-why-you-are-not-being-told-the-truth


The Mega Millions jackpot drawing Tuesday has soared to $1.6 billion ... and counting.

In an effort to create jackpots like this one, lottery officials have not only made it harder to win, but have continued to lie to us about the benefits of the lottery.

About half of Americans play the lottery according to the most recent survey, compared to almost 70 percent in the 1980s. That means the lottery needs to extract more money from fewer people, specifically from the lowest-income households, which spend on average $412 on tickets per year – more than four times the amount spent by the highest-income households.

In an effort to draw more people to the lottery, Mega Millions decided to decrease each person’s chance of winning in order to grow the jackpots. As the jackpot gets bigger, more people are willing to buy a ticket.

Before 2017, players picked five numbers between 1 and 75 and then one number between 1 and 15. Now, each player picks five numbers between 1 and 70 and then one number between 1 and 25.

This increases someone’s chance of matching five numbers and receiving some sort of prize, while decreasing the chance of winning the whole shebang.

What’s more, the price of a ticket has doubled.

So, your chance of winning has gone down, but if you lose (and you will), at least your money is going to a good cause – or so you've been told.

In the middle of the 20th century, when lotteries first started in the U.S., they were sold to states as a way to benefit the American public by providing additional funding for education.

This means that as the jackpots get bigger and people spend more money on lotteries – $223 per year by the average American, in fact – there should be more money in state budgets to spend on education.

But that isn’t happening.

Most state legislatures haven’t been using the lottery money for additional education funding. Instead, they're using it to fund the basic education budget, and using the money that would normally fund education on other things altogether. As a result, public schools rarely get a budget boost.

Mega Millions' profits are split between 46 lottery jurisdictions – 44 states, Washington D.C., and the U.S. Virgin Islands. Overall, 27 states earmark some or all lottery revenue for education.

In D.C., the lottery dollars go to a general fund; in Colorado, they fund environmental protections; and in Kansas, some of the money pays for juvenile detention facilities.

A recent study from the North Carolina Center for Public Policy Research showed that many states – including California, Florida and Michigan – simply substitute lottery revenues for normal appropriations. As of 2016, North Carolina devoted a smaller portion of its total budget to education than it did before starting the lottery. 

With states like New York getting $3.3 billion in revenue from the lottery in 2016, that is a pretty big bait and switch. 

So now, not only do you have a smaller chance of winning (with a 1 in 300 million chance, you’re three times more likely to be killed by a vending machine), your $2 lottery ticket expense isn’t even going towards the good cause you were told it was.

This doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s time to ax the lottery. But it does beg the question: Is lottery money a good thing for a state?

It does fund some government services, but it isn’t always clear exactly which ones. And the harm of gambling addiction must be taken into account.

Personally, I’m fine with it either way. But lottery officials and state legislators need to tell us the truth, not lie to us by omission.


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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2018, 03:31:01 PM »

Make the spending programs more efficient thus the current budget will do more. Less money for administration more for building maintenance classroom educators.
Same changes for roads and bridges.
Same for lawmakers and healthcare.

It is what the rest of us have to do for a balanced budget.
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2018, 04:35:27 PM »

It has been said that "the lottery is a tax on stupid".
One might add and "a way for politicians to rob the public".

Both may be true.
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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2018, 04:44:42 PM »

I understand the odds and consider it a ticket purchase like a movie ticket. I never check my numbers for a few weeks after purchase. That way I can play the mind movie longer. Cheap entertainment for me.
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2018, 07:43:49 PM »

I know in South Carolina, when I went back to school, we had Lottery money as part of the tuition if you were a state resident. I went to the local Tech College. A semester of full time, in state tuition was $1900. The Lottery Money paid $1200 a semester. I didn't have any loans and a couple of basic grants so it helped me get through with little out of pocket expenses.
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2018, 04:00:53 AM »

I know in South Carolina, when I went back to school, we had Lottery money as part of the tuition if you were a state resident. I went to the local Tech College. A semester of full time, in state tuition was $1900. The Lottery Money paid $1200 a semester. I didn't have any loans and a couple of basic grants so it helped me get through with little out of pocket expenses.

I don't think much of the lottery, but I know several people whose tech school
tuition was mostly paid by the lottery... so at least here in SC they use some of
it to help people pay for education...

-Mike
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2018, 08:54:28 AM »

I've never bought a ticket, but, I see our welfare recipients spend A LOT of money on them.  As a side note, a gal [ welfare recipient] came in with her dog under her arm to buy her ticket. She was asked if the ticket was for the dog, she said no but that she receives $60/month for the dog.
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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2018, 09:12:14 AM »

I've never bought a ticket, but, I see our welfare recipients spend A LOT of money on them.  As a side note, a gal [ welfare recipient] came in with her dog under her arm to buy her ticket. She was asked if the ticket was for the dog, she said no but that she receives $60/month for the dog.

How?
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2018, 11:36:59 AM »

My personal opinion is that the lottery should never be allowed to get that high. Once it does it should be split to allow multiple winners with multiple drawings. Though will never happen though because they would lose a lot of income from the money they are sitting on.
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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2018, 11:39:30 AM »

Here's the offer I make at my job … You win the mega bucks lottery I give you a thousand bucks …  you lose and you give me ten bucks... so far no takers  Wink
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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2018, 12:14:56 PM »

It has been said that "the lottery is a tax on stupid".
One might add and "a way for politicians to rob the public".

Both may be true.
Tell that one to the person who just won $1.6 billion...yeah, the one with the ear to ear stupid grin on their face. Grin

Politicians have been robbing the public long before any lotteries were established; it's just that they've been able to PR it now to match the inherent American greed factor with a hint of doing some good for nature/education/humanity/children.  It is all voluntary.  If a person doesn't want to play, put that buck or two under the mattress and sleep well. Cool  Me?  The chance of a lifetime to rub the genie's lantern and maybe POOF!  If not, a portion of my buck funds trails, improvements, and parks in our beloved Colorado for someone to enjoy besides myself.  Fair trade for my voluntary stupidity, I figure. Wink
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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2018, 12:23:08 PM »

It has been said that "the lottery is a tax on stupid".
One might add and "a way for politicians to rob the public".

Both may be true.
Tell that one to the person who just won $1.6 billion...yeah, the one with the ear to ear stupid grin on their face. Grin

Politicians have been robbing the public long before any lotteries were established; it's just that they've been able to PR it now to match the inherent American greed factor with a hint of doing some good for nature/education/humanity/children.  It is all voluntary.  If a person doesn't want to play, put that buck or two under the mattress and sleep well. Cool  Me?  The chance of a lifetime to rub the genie's lantern and maybe POOF!  If not, a portion of my buck funds trails, improvements, and parks in our beloved Colorado for someone to enjoy besides myself.  Fair trade for my voluntary stupidity, I figure. Wink

After the lump sum penalty and taxes the winner gets about $637 million.

The 1.6 is media hyperbole.
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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2018, 01:31:42 PM »

The Lottery was more fun when the Mob ran "the numbers"  Oh wait, that was illegal.
Now the gubmint runs the numbers and all is great.

Now if we could get heroin, kidnapping and murder legalized, we wouldn't need the Mob at all.
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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2018, 02:02:46 PM »

My personal opinion is that the lottery should never be allowed to get that high. Once it does it should be split to allow multiple winners with multiple drawings. Though will never happen though because they would lose a lot of income from the money they are sitting on.





I agree
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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2018, 02:04:36 PM »

The Lottery was more fun when the Mob ran "the numbers"  Oh wait, that was illegal.
Now the gubmint runs the numbers and all is great.

Now if we could get heroin, kidnapping and murder legalized, we wouldn't need the Mob at all.





Its all about money. As long as the 'gubmint' gets their money all is well.
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« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2018, 03:21:49 PM »

It has been said that "the lottery is a tax on stupid".
One might add and "a way for politicians to rob the public".

Both may be true.
Tell that one to the person who just won $1.6 billion...yeah, the one with the ear to ear stupid grin on their face. Grin

Politicians have been robbing the public long before any lotteries were established; it's just that they've been able to PR it now to match the inherent American greed factor with a hint of doing some good for nature/education/humanity/children.  It is all voluntary.  If a person doesn't want to play, put that buck or two under the mattress and sleep well. Cool  Me?  The chance of a lifetime to rub the genie's lantern and maybe POOF!  If not, a portion of my buck funds trails, improvements, and parks in our beloved Colorado for someone to enjoy besides myself.  Fair trade for my voluntary stupidity, I figure. Wink
I am happy that someone won.

Some states take half the money as you buy a ticket and then the FED takes almost half of the half in taxes. Gee what a deal everyone wagers a dollar and the winner gets a quarter of everyone's dollar and the government gets 75 cents of everyone's dollar.

If someone tried to tax you by taking 75 cents of every dollar, would you stand for it? No.

What a deal, and the odds are so attractive 1 in several hundred million (per ticket).
The odds are a whole lot better in Vegas and even they are not in your favor.

You are right it is your money, spend it as you like.
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« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2018, 12:23:26 AM »

Lotteries and Casinos

I once heard that there was a couple who were not getting along particularly well, that had the following conversation:

Man: "Honey, what would you do if I won the lottery?"
Woman: "I'd take my half, leave your sorry ass, and go find a man that appreciates me."
Man: "Great. I won $12. Here's your $6. Start packing."

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My understanding is that the lottery is a Voluntary tax on the Stupid.
We were over in Louisiana and my wife DID buy a ticket -one ticket- when the pot got up to whatever recently.... just for the heck of it.
It's cheap entertainment for her..... but there was a guy that drove up in an old, beat-up car, walked into the store and bought a couple hundred dollar's worth while she was there. Ugh.

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Ol' Boudreaux, down in the Louisiana swamps, was having a rough time.
His truck broke down, the fish all quit biting, his boat got a hole in it and sank....
There he was, walking down a dirt road, saying to himself:
"Lord, let me win the lottery."
"Lord, let me win the lottery."
"PLEASE Lord, let me win the lottery!"

Suddenly, there was a deep voice that came booming down from up above:

"Boudreux, you gotta help me....... BUY A TICKET!"

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It's a mix of money and politics, and the political shenanigans are endless.
The politicians almost always 'sell' the program to the voters by saying "It's for the Schools".
But somehow, it usually winds up in the General Fund or financing some pet project, one way or another. But a lot of people buy tickets. The various governments make a LOT of money off of it, and the people paying the money-even though some of them are spending money that -I think- would be better spent elsewhere - do not complain.
So... is it good, or bad?
It's THEIR money, to spend as they please.
Is it my place to tell that person "Don't buy those tickets! Your kids need shoes!"?
Should it be stopped, or continued?
Hmmmm.......

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I live on the gulf coast in Mississippi.
The various levels of government finagled the laws so that there are casinos operating in the area since about 1995.
The first few years that they were open, my 'other half' liked to occasionally go to one.
She badgered me and badgered me to play some of the 'games'.
Finally, to shut her up, I put a quarter into one of the machines .... and it 'kep' it.
So I stopped right there.

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Before casinos were built in our area, the only casinos I had seen were in the James Bond movies.....
Of course it's a movie, the 'traditional' James Bond flick with ol' Bond in his tux, and some good-looking broads hanging around with their boobs half hanging out.....

The reality could not be more different.
Walking around the 'gaming floor', the only people who are dressed 'nicely' are the casino staff.
Pretty much everyone else is 'extremely casual', to put it politely. I do not see ANYONE that looks like someone I would want to talk to. Mostly a bunch of losers, or old people in noticeably poor health.
A noticeable number of people dragging around an oxygen bottle (that someone else paid for) with one hand, and smoking a cigarette (that THEY paid for) in the other..... and no-one is smiling, no-one is laughing.... people sitting at the 'slot machine' hit the button.... is this it?...no....hit it again.... is THIS it?....no......anticipation, then disappointment, over, and over, and over.
Addiction to that few seconds of thrill, of suspense, before the disappointment.
If someone DOES hit a modest payout, the casino operators know that most of the time, that person puts the money right back into the machine, trying for a bigger payout.

It's really pretty sad to see.

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The only positive thing I see is that the casinos bring in entertainment that would otherwise not come here. Older, but nationally known musicians, and some circus acrobat shows.

Anyway.... my 2 cents.

I guess I'm just an old fuddy-duddy.
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« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2018, 04:02:41 PM »

 As said,  playing the lottery is fine as long as you do not over-do it spending a lot for that billion dollar chance you will win the big one. 

Just today, went downtown mom/pop grocery store to buy some baked bread loafs is all I bought for 3 whole bucks and the lady and guy in front of me who looked not so well off spent more money on lottery tickets than the food they needed to live off of.  Those are the people who will get poorer and poorer and IMO being ignorant and foolish for spending valuable needed money they need to survive.  Moderation is the key in most things we do, including blowing money away in the wind for lottery tickets.

I think our property taxes go down for lottery not a whole lot but more than I spend a year on tickets so  that is good right?
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