Federal judge orders female genital mutilation charges dropped in Detroit

[98valk]

so mutilation and sexual abuse of little girls is ok according to this liberal judge.

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/judge-dismisses-female-genital-mutilation-charges-citing-constitutionality?fbclid=IwAR3ythuA-j-Qg7BuWq8OkvMH3Gv0nLs7upckFld4lZrfTEMHUSa_edHTnN4

A federal judge has dismissed six charges of female genital mutilation against a doctor, declaring the nation's female genital mutilation law as unconstitutional.

The federal judge in Detroit ruled in the historic case on Tuesday, ruling the law that prevents female genital mutilation (FGM) is unconstitutional. U.S. District Judge Bernard Friedman ruled that congress does not have the authority to make FGM illegal, which it had been classified as illegal under the Necessary and Proper Clause or the Commerce Clause.

[old2soon]

            Again appears the inmates are in charge of the asylum. Tween this turd in motor city and the other judge?? in frisco saying illegals could cross and be granted political asylum these judges are selling Our Country out. Are fed judges elected or appointed? Can they be removed? And if they can be removed-WHAT zackly are we waiting for? RIDE SAFE.

[Gryphon Rider]

Can this ruling be appealed to a higher court?

[..]

Up is down.
Down is up.

[Robert]

Judge ruled congress does not have the right to regulate this only the states do.   

[da prez]

  W H A T  happened to the slavery and abuse laws .  I said it before  , and I'll say it again  , if your country is so good  , why come to ours and  change it to yours.

           May the judges involved have the fleas of a thousand camels infest their  pubic hair.

                                     da prez

[..]

I wish the judges would go live in the countries they seem to care for so much.

[..]

Appointed by Ronnie

https://www.mied.uscourts.gov/index.cfm?pageFunction=chambers&judgeid=9

[98valk]

 W H A T  happened to the slavery and abuse laws .  I said it before  , and I'll say it again  , if your country is so good  , why come to ours and  change it to yours.

           May the judges involved have the fleas of a thousand camels infest their  pubic hair.

                                     da prez

because their book tells them to conquer the world and implement islam and sharia law on everyone.

[Moonshot_1]

so mutilation and sexual abuse of little girls is ok according to this liberal judge.

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/judge-dismisses-female-genital-mutilation-charges-citing-constitutionality?fbclid=IwAR3ythuA-j-Qg7BuWq8OkvMH3Gv0nLs7upckFld4lZrfTEMHUSa_edHTnN4

A federal judge has dismissed six charges of female genital mutilation against a doctor, declaring the nation's female genital mutilation law as unconstitutional.

The federal judge in Detroit ruled in the historic case on Tuesday, ruling the law that prevents female genital mutilation (FGM) is unconstitutional. U.S. District Judge Bernard Friedman ruled that congress does not have the authority to make FGM illegal, which it had been classified as illegal under the Necessary and Proper Clause or the Commerce Clause.

No, that is not what the "liberal judge" is saying.

The decision is a narrowly defined decision. It revolves around the charges being brought under interstate commerce laws. This is not interstate commerce. Therefore the charges are not allowed under the law. If the case was based on civil rights legislation or some other federal law that directly applied, the ruling would have been different.

I happen to agree with the judges ruling on this case. I don't approve of genital mutilation but to charge someone with a crime for doing it requires a Constitutional based and supported law.

This particular charge at the federal level isn't supported by Constitutional appropriate law.

This does seem to be a State issue more than a federal issue as well. It is there that this should be pursued.

It is far better to have judges strike down law than make them up. At least, as in this case, we can legislate better and appropriate laws that respect the Constitution.

[Jess from VA]

This ruling by a Federal District Court judge could absolutely be appealed by the prosecution to a higher federal court.

I have not taken the time to look at the constitutionality of the law, but it could be a good or a bad ruling..... legally (not morally).

However, this female mutilation could be prosecuted as an unlawful (aggravated) assault on a minor under various state laws, but could be defended on a religious freedom defense, which could fly (be sustained).  

The fact it's nearly always a minor (who is generally not considered competent to give consent, like for sex), could be helpful, but the parental consent issue is SH!T since this is ALWAYS with parental consent and actual request.  In such cases, this could be required by law to be referred to a state family agency (in MI, called the Friend of the Court) who could be required to interview the minor and ask her if she actually wants the procedure, and stop it if she does not want it.

I believe in religious freedom up to a point, but this medieval barbarism should be resisted by both State and Federal authorities, Constitutional laws and procedures adopted, and violating parents, doctors and quacks vigorously prosecuted and imprisoned.

Even so, these people could still fly their girls back to Jihad, and get it done anyway, and there would (very likely) be no jurisdiction to go after the responsible adults.  

Anyone who thinks this is the same thing as circumcising boys is an asshole.

I'm glad I was circumcised, but if I had my orgasm unit chopped off, I would want bloody revenge on everyone who had anything to do with it.    

[Bighead]

The judge should have his Penis (if he has one becaus e he has no spine) chopped off and cooked then fed to him and made to swallow every bit of it.

[old2soon]

The judge should have his Penis (if he has one becaus e he has no spine) chopped off and cooked then fed to him and made to swallow every bit of it.

                 WHY cook it? RIDE SAFE.

[Oss]

I have not read the decision but have always hated the commerce clause being more of a states rights kind of constitutionalist

Remember the individual colonies were often set up to allow certain religious practices for those persecuted in other colonies. Think quakers etc.  In fact the argument that escaping the church of england is accepted as truth itself.

While a strong central (federal) government or body politik is necessary for the proper defense of the Republic the commerce clause has been used to stamp on states and individual rights to the extreme.

I welcome most almost anything that gives states and the people back the rights that they never gave up to begin with.  This inane decision should help in that regard.

If a state wants to go its own way on certain issues, even those we find repugnant it may do so, but we dont have to visit there or support that state  The pressure brought by the other states will tend to keep a homeostasis on red button issues over short period of time in my opinion which is worth nothing of course.

Genital mutilation or as Jess calls it orgasm machine removal is IMHO
not to be condoned by the federal government but it should be made child abuse by the states who have that right

I dont know anywhere in the bible that says to harm women so they cant enjoy sex.  In fact the opposite seems to be the gist of my readings with an obligation on the sabbath to do so.

[Jess from VA]

I have not read the decision but have always hated the commerce clause being more of a states rights kind of constitutionalist

Remember the individual colonies were often set up to allow certain religious practices for those persecuted in other colonies. Think quakers etc.  In fact the argument that escaping the church of england is accepted as truth itself.

While a strong central (federal) government or body politik is necessary for the proper defense of the Republic the commerce clause has been used to stamp on states and individual rights to the extreme.

I welcome most almost anything that gives states and the people back the rights that they never gave up to begin with.  This inane decision should help in that regard.

If a state wants to go its own way on certain issues, even those we find repugnant it may do so, but we dont have to visit there or support that state  The pressure brought by the other states will tend to keep a homeostasis on red button issues over short period of time in my opinion which is worth nothing of course.

Genital mutilation or as Jess calls it orgasm machine removal is IMHO
not to be condoned by the federal government but it should be made child abuse by the states who have that right

I don't know anywhere in the bible that says to harm women so they cant enjoy sex.  In fact the opposite seems to be the gist of my readings with an obligation on the sabbath to do so.

Evan, I'm a little confused.  Is the obligation on the sabbath to read scripture, or to enjoy sex?  

I missed this part in Sunday school.  

[Gryphon Rider]

I dont know anywhere in the bible that says to harm women so they cant enjoy sex.  In fact the opposite seems to be the gist of my readings with an obligation on the sabbath to do so.

Is that something written in the Mishna, the Talmud, or some other writing?  I don't think it's in the Tanakh, since I would probably remember something relating to enjoying sex (e.g. Proverbs 5:19), but may be mistaken.

[Oss]

Not everyone can be born Jewish I suppose.   

After the holiday I will PM whoever wants the references.

[98valk]

I dont know anywhere in the bible that says to harm women so they cant enjoy sex.  In fact the opposite seems to be the gist of my readings with an obligation on the sabbath to do so.

Is that something written in the Mishna, the Talmud, or some other writing?  I don't think it's in the Tanakh, since I would probably remember something relating to enjoying sex (e.g. Proverbs 5:19), but may be mistaken.

 song of solomon
Ephesians 5:28
In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.

[Gryphon Rider]

I dont know anywhere in the bible that says to harm women so they cant enjoy sex.  In fact the opposite seems to be the gist of my readings with an obligation on the sabbath to do so.

Is that something written in the Mishna, the Talmud, or some other writing?  I don't think it's in the Tanakh, since I would probably remember something relating to enjoying sex (e.g. Proverbs 5:19), but may be mistaken.

 song of solomon
Ephesians 5:28
In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.

But specifically on the Sabbath?

[98valk]

I dont know anywhere in the bible that says to harm women so they cant enjoy sex.  In fact the opposite seems to be the gist of my readings with an obligation on the sabbath to do so.

Is that something written in the Mishna, the Talmud, or some other writing?  I don't think it's in the Tanakh, since I would probably remember something relating to enjoying sex (e.g. Proverbs 5:19), but may be mistaken.

 song of solomon
Ephesians 5:28
In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.

But specifically on the Sabbath?

what did Jesus the Christ teach about the sabbath? there is your answer.

[Gryphon Rider]

I dont know anywhere in the bible that says to harm women so they cant enjoy sex.  In fact the opposite seems to be the gist of my readings with an obligation on the sabbath to do so.

Is that something written in the Mishna, the Talmud, or some other writing?  I don't think it's in the Tanakh, since I would probably remember something relating to enjoying sex (e.g. Proverbs 5:19), but may be mistaken.

 song of solomon
Ephesians 5:28
In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.

But specifically on the Sabbath?

what did Jesus the Christ teach about the sabbath? there is your answer.

My question, to a Jew, about what is said in specifically Jewish religious writings, is answered by a question from a non-Jew about what Jesus taught?  Very helpful!

I'm pretty sure the gospels don't record anything about Jesus' teaching on sexual obligations on the Sabbath.

[scooperhsd]

I have not read the decision but have always hated the commerce clause being more of a states rights kind of constitutionalist

Remember the individual colonies were often set up to allow certain religious practices for those persecuted in other colonies. Think quakers etc.  In fact the argument that escaping the church of england is accepted as truth itself.

While a strong central (federal) government or body politik is necessary for the proper defense of the Republic the commerce clause has been used to stamp on states and individual rights to the extreme.

I welcome most almost anything that gives states and the people back the rights that they never gave up to begin with.  This inane decision should help in that regard.

If a state wants to go its own way on certain issues, even those we find repugnant it may do so, but we dont have to visit there or support that state  The pressure brought by the other states will tend to keep a homeostasis on red button issues over short period of time in my opinion which is worth nothing of course.

Genital mutilation or as Jess calls it orgasm machine removal is IMHO
not to be condoned by the federal government but it should be made child abuse by the states who have that right

I don't know anywhere in the bible that says to harm women so they cant enjoy sex.  In fact the opposite seems to be the gist of my readings with an obligation on the sabbath to do so.

Evan, I'm a little confused.  Is the obligation on the sabbath to read scripture, or to enjoy sex?   

I missed this part in Sunday school. 

I think the answer to that should be "YES !"

[Oss]

Intimacy is encouraged on Shabbat not so much as a means to procreate as it is to create a bond between husband and wife. There are two separate mitzvot in the Torah that involve sexual relations. One is to be fruitful and multiply (Genesis1:28.) The lesser-known mitzvah is for the husband to ensure he sexually satisfies his wife (Exodus 21:10). This second mitzvah is totally independent from the first and so the obligation to make love to one’s wife applies to couples regardless as to whether they wish to, or are capable of conceiving.  Throughout the week we live fragmented lives lurching between high ideals and practical realities; on Shabbat we attain a sense of wholeness, where the disparate and often opposing forces in our lives meld together in celebration of this special day of rest.

The Babylonian Talmud (Ketubot 62b) elaborates that the designated time for scholars to engage in physical intimacy with their wives is Friday night:

How often are scholars to perform their marital duties? Rav Judah in the name of Samuel replied: “Every Friday night…” Judah the son of R. Hiyya and son-in-law of R. Jannai would spend all his time in the schoolhouse but every Sabbath eve he came home.

In this passage, the Talmud indicates no awareness that the Sabbath is a time of sexual abstinence. To the contrary, marital intimacy is encouraged and making time for it on the Sabbath is praised.

So in being holy on sabbath spending the time in intimacy with one's spouse is the highest honor to give to the Lord and it also follows the very first positive commandment

[Robert]

1Co 7:3  The husband must fulfill his duty to his wife, and likewise also the wife to her husband.
1Co 7:4  The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.
1Co 7:5  Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

Just curious how do present day Jews handle the teaching that if a brother dies and has no offspring the he the surviving brother is supposed to marry the widow and have children with her? Do you see many  halizah, performed?

In the Torah a man is told not to have sex during menstruation, but there is no prohibition in having sex on the Sabbath. The reason for sex on Friday is so a couple can devote themselves activities that are not work on the Sabbath.

As you read the Torah or the Talmud you get a completely different respect for God and life that the churches just dont teach. As Oss pointed out sex is a time of enjoyment and almost celebration. I think that they left that out of the Bible for some reason and the Churches definitely dont teach on this. The fact that a husband and wife are one does not explain the fullness of the relationship of husband and wife like the Jewish writings do.

I love reading the Rabbi's explanation and detail on so many subjects that the bible never gives. It so enriches the understanding of the bible and how you relate to it. Everyone needs to understand the perspective of Apostles if you dont understand their thinking and beliefs being Jews then you cannot fully relate.

I am kind of surprised Gryphon that you have not studied Jewish law.

[Gryphon Rider]

I am kind of surprised Gryphon that you have not studied Jewish law.

I have read the books of the Law (the Torah) many times, but have paid more attention to some portions of it than to others.  I have read the Tanakh completely and methodically once, but because I regularly refer to it, I would be surprised if there are more than a few, if any, parts of it that I haven't read more than once.  I have not read any of either the Babylonian Talmud or the Jerusalem Talmud, although I have read a handful of quotes from them.  Although not an immediate priority, I would love to take the time to familiarize myself with them.

Robert, I'm curious how much study have you made of the Talmudim?

[Robert]

Robert, I'm curious how much study have you made of the Talmudim?

I have read and studied a bit almost the entire Talmud, along with Josephus, the book of Jasher, the book of Adam and Eve and a few others along with reading the bible many times through. I have also read the Koran but not all the way through. Upon occasion I also read and use the CJB translation of the  bible, since it also changes the meaning of some verses.