Migrant behavior going....... south ?

[DirtyDan]

https://www.breitbart.com/border/2018/11/20/tijuana-police-arrest-34-caravan-migrants-for-drugs-drunkenness/

Ok then.........

Dan

[Jess from VA]

No illegals should cross the border.  Period.

However, 34 (misdemeanors) out of thousands sounds like just about the right percentage of defective units, everywhere.  Like college campuses and sporting events. 

I'm much more concerned about the reported large numbers of previously convicted felons, gang members, middle easterners, yada.  Thus, no illegals across the border.

Go home, apply, take a number, and wait your turn.   Show us you're a law abiding type.

[Bighead]

Jess none of them are or they wouldnt be trying to get in Illegally.

[carolinarider09]

No illegals should cross the border.  Period.

However, 34 (misdemeanors) out of thousands sounds like just about the right percentage of defective units, everywhere.  Like college campuses and sporting events. 

I'm much more concerned about the reported large numbers of previously convicted felons, gang members, middle easterners, yada.  Thus, no illegals across the border.

Go home, apply, take a number, and wait your turn.   Show us you're a law abiding type.

I agree.

And while its not on topic, it has continued to bug me that when I call a major US based business I get the push X for English and Y for Spanish option.  So I just looked to see what the percentages were of Spanish being spoke at home (the only result I found that was easily interpreted) and it was 13.1% of the population speak Spanish at home.  According to the table the next highest percentage is Chinese at 1.1%

My apologies for venting.  I do feel better now. 

[Robert]

Mexican Immigration Agents Detain 213 Migrants In Fourth Caravan

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/nov/21/mexico-detains-213-fourth-migrant-caravan/

White House Expected To Give US Troops Permission To Use Force To Protect Border Patrol

https://www.stripes.com/news/us/white-house-expected-to-give-us-troops-permission-to-use-force-to-protect-border-patrol-1.557498

New Jersey Governor Doles Out $2M For Legal Help To Illegal Aliens Facing Deportation

https://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/11/murphy_doles_out_millions_to_provide_legal_help_to_undocumented_immigrants.html

[da prez]

  I can't afford food or condoms  , so I will buy booze and drugs. 

                                              da prez

[¿spoom]

And as always it comes down to wealth distribution, channeled through the UN. We need to get out of the UN unless it can be turned into something useful, like a lamp.  Mexico could/should have denied caravan entry at IT'S border. It didn't enforce it's own immigration/passage laws, in favor of just being a giant colon and letting the caravans just pass through and poop out into the US.

TIJUANA, Mexico (AP) The mayor of Tijuana has declared a humanitarian crisis in his border city and said Friday that he has asked the United Nations for aid to deal with the approximately 5,000 Central American migrants who have arrived.

Mayor Juan Manuel Gastelum said that the Mexican federal government has provided little assistance and he is not going to commit the city's public resources to dealing with the situation. He said 4,976 migrants had come to the city.

"We don't have sufficient and necessary infrastructure to adequately attend to these people, to give them a decent space," he said on Grupo Formula radio.

On Thursday, his government issued a statement saying that it was requesting help from the U.N.'s Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs.

"I am not going to spend the money of Tijuana (citizens)," Gasteulum said in the statement.

For the most part, the migrant caravan that left Honduras in mid-October was well received by the towns it passed through along the way to the border. Even cities with few resources made sure the migrants had food and a place to rest.

But in those places, the caravan stayed at most two nights with the exception of Mexico City. In Tijuana, many of the migrants who are fleeing violence and poverty want to request asylum in the United States and face the prospect of spending months in the border city before they have the opportunity to speak with a U.S. official.

Gastelum said Friday that the Mexican government has talked about sending 20 tons of resources to Tijuana to help but that three-fourths consisted of materials to reinforce the border and only 5 tons were materials to actually help the migrants.

Most of the migrants are staying at a makeshift shelter at a sports stadium in the city. They are receiving support from local churches and private citizens who have been providing food, as well as various agencies of the Baja California state government, which says it identified 7,000 job openings for those who qualify.

Gastelum also criticized the federal government for not taking more seriously U.S. President Donald Trump's threat Thursday to shut down the entire border if things get out of control in Tijuana.

"That's serious," he said.

Referring to a protest by a small group of migrants who marched to a border crossing Thursday, Gastelum said such demonstrations are not going to help.

"Thousands of people from Tijuana work in the United States, they arrive late to their jobs," he said. "From the United States the tourism isn't coming here. The people aren't coming to the medical sector. The situation is becoming uncomfortable."

[DirtyDan]

And as always it comes down to wealth distribution, channeled through the UN. We need to get out of the UN unless it can be turned into something useful, like a lamp.  Mexico could/should have denied caravan entry at IT'S border. It didn't enforce it's own immigration/passage laws, in favor of just being a giant colon and letting the caravans just pass through and poop out into the US.

TIJUANA, Mexico (AP) The mayor of Tijuana has declared a humanitarian crisis in his border city and said Friday that he has asked the United Nations for aid to deal with the approximately 5,000 Central American migrants who have arrived.

Mayor Juan Manuel Gastelum said that the Mexican federal government has provided little assistance and he is not going to commit the city's public resources to dealing with the situation. He said 4,976 migrants had come to the city.

"We don't have sufficient and necessary infrastructure to adequately attend to these people, to give them a decent space," he said on Grupo Formula radio.

On Thursday, his government issued a statement saying that it was requesting help from the U.N.'s Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs.

"I am not going to spend the money of Tijuana (citizens)," Gasteulum said in the statement.

For the most part, the migrant caravan that left Honduras in mid-October was well received by the towns it passed through along the way to the border. Even cities with few resources made sure the migrants had food and a place to rest.

But in those places, the caravan stayed at most two nights with the exception of Mexico City. In Tijuana, many of the migrants who are fleeing violence and poverty want to request asylum in the United States and face the prospect of spending months in the border city before they have the opportunity to speak with a U.S. official.

Gastelum said Friday that the Mexican government has talked about sending 20 tons of resources to Tijuana to help but that three-fourths consisted of materials to reinforce the border and only 5 tons were materials to actually help the migrants.

Most of the migrants are staying at a makeshift shelter at a sports stadium in the city. They are receiving support from local churches and private citizens who have been providing food, as well as various agencies of the Baja California state government, which says it identified 7,000 job openings for those who qualify.

Gastelum also criticized the federal government for not taking more seriously U.S. President Donald Trump's threat Thursday to shut down the entire border if things get out of control in Tijuana.

"That's serious," he said.

Referring to a protest by a small group of migrants who marched to a border crossing Thursday, Gastelum said such demonstrations are not going to help.

"Thousands of people from Tijuana work in the United States, they arrive late to their jobs," he said. "From the United States the tourism isn't coming here. The people aren't coming to the medical sector. The situation is becoming uncomfortable."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tijuana-mayor-declares-humanitarian-crisis-over-migrants-150649763.html

Was just about to post it

Dan

[old2soon]

       All comes down to they should have gone to a U S of A embassy BEFORE departing their country instead of attempting to force their way into Our Country-U S of A. While forcing their way into U S of A might have worked under other potus Our current P O T U S do not appear to be puttin up with that particular brand of bull chit. In the current situation-them stuck in teeajuwana-seems to me they got NOBODY to balme But THEMSELVES! Or is THAT a bit too simplistic?  RIDE SAFE.

[Momz]

Illegals need to be rounded up at the border, made to dig a large ditch, lined up and get a bullet to the head. Their kids need to be there to watch the proceeding executions

That would/may deter others from attempting to enter without legal means.

Sorry about my idea, but I'm the child of immigrants that came here legally and worked hard to be proud citizens of this country.

[Willow]

I'm going to try to say (type) this carefully but I will probably still offend a lot of you.

First let me say that I do believe the right way to immigrate to this country is to go through legal channels and do so as a legal person.  I do believe that no financial benefits such as welfare and medical aid should be given to those who have criminally entered.

Unfortunately we as a nation have made it far too difficult to immigrate legally and have refused to recognize that we as a culture need the inclusion of those from Central America to fill roles in our work force.  I've a friend who works as an immigration attorney and he tells me there are people attempting to immigrate by legal means that wait years for the process.  He says some may simply die before they're approved.  We hear much about illegals taking jobs that would have been filled by U.S. citizens.  That's wrong.  It should not happen.  There are, however, many personal service men and women in positions that would not be wanted or accepted by U.S. born and raised persons.

We need to keep in mind that most of us are descended from illegal immigrants.  The Europeans did not ask permission of the nations that occupied this continent before they moved in and took away the land for themselves.  Should it have taken place?  In retrospect probably so.  It was simply part of the unending movement of peoples around the Earth; peoples seeking a better place to live and grow.  Sound familiar?

There are a lot of bad people trying to get into this country to do bad things.  They need to be opposed.  They need to be stopped.  They need to be imprisoned or deported with an assurance they have no way to come back.  The vast majority of the immigration from the south is made of of people living under less than good conditions seeking a place to improve life for themselves and their families.  Most of them are descended from peoples who occupied this continent before the Europeans came and invented the United States of America.

Should they recognize the sovereignty of the U.S. citizens that currently sit on this land?  I'm not certain.  Should our forefathers have done so?  Is it just about who is strong enough to impose their will upon the weaker people?  Perhaps that is the way it is but I have really bad feelings about people suggesting the killing of innocents seeking to improve their living and to do so in a way less destructive than did our own ancestors.

I think we need to keep bad people out of this country.  Maybe we should get rid of some of our own bad people as well.  I think we need to monitor and manage the immigration process.  Those who can come here and contribute meaningfully to the work force should certainly be prefered over any who would just arrive and begin to take from welfare services.

Lastly I think we should exclude anyone who could reasonably be expected to vote for the wrong political party.     

[Jess from VA]

Migrant behavior going....... South ?

Ummm..... I'm pretty sure they're going North.

[DirtyDan]

Migrant behavior going....... South ?

Ummm..... I'm pretty sure they're going North.

Touche

Dan

[..]

Illegals need to be rounded up at the border, made to dig a large ditch, lined up and get a bullet to the head. Their kids need to be there to watch the proceeding executions

That would/may deter others from attempting to enter without legal means.

Sorry about my idea, but I'm the child of immigrants that came here legally and worked hard to be proud citizens of this country.

Sp they get shot in the head BEFORE they have crossed the border???

OR just shot in the head a coupla feet across the border.

F F S are you being serious?

Why not just get hold of all the illegals inside the borders of the USA and gas them. or is that not extreme enough for you?????

[Momz]

I'm going to try to say (type) this carefully but I will probably still offend a lot of you.

First let me say that I do believe the right way to immigrate to this country is to go through legal channels and do so as a legal person.  I do believe that no financial benefits such as welfare and medical aid should be given to those who have criminally entered.

Unfortunately we as a nation have made it far too difficult to immigrate legally and have refused to recognize that we as a culture need the inclusion of those from Central America to fill roles in our work force.  I've a friend who works as an immigration attorney and he tells me there are people attempting to immigrate by legal means that wait years for the process.  He says some may simply die before they're approved.  We hear much about illegals taking jobs that would have been filled by U.S. citizens.  That's wrong.  It should not happen.  There are, however, many personal service men and women in positions that would not be wanted or accepted by U.S. born and raised persons.

We need to keep in mind that most of us are descended from illegal immigrants.  The Europeans did not ask permission of the nations that occupied this continent before they moved in and took away the land for themselves.  Should it have taken place?  In retrospect probably so.  It was simply part of the unending movement of peoples around the Earth; peoples seeking a better place to live and grow.  Sound familiar?

There are a lot of bad people trying to get into this country to do bad things.  They need to be opposed.  They need to be stopped.  They need to be imprisoned or deported with an assurance they have no way to come back.  The vast majority of the immigration from the south is made of of people living under less than good conditions seeking a place to improve life for themselves and their families.  Most of them are descended from peoples who occupied this continent before the Europeans came and invented the United States of America.

Should they recognize the sovereignty of the U.S. citizens that currently sit on this land?  I'm not certain.  Should our forefathers have done so?  Is it just about who is strong enough to impose their will upon the weaker people?  Perhaps that is the way it is but I have really bad feelings about people suggesting the killing of innocents seeking to improve their living and to do so in a way less destructive than did our own ancestors.

I think we need to keep bad people out of this country.  Maybe we should get rid of some of our own bad people as well.  I think we need to monitor and manage the immigration process.  Those who can come here and contribute meaningfully to the work force should certainly be prefered over any who would just arrive and begin to take from welfare services.

Lastly I think we should exclude anyone who could reasonably be expected to vote for the wrong political party.     

I actually agree with Willow on some points.
But, the country has been over run with illegals that have no respect for our laws and culture. Assimilation into our culture and way of life is not on there personal adgenda.
My point is that we need to send a strong message to those that want to come here illegaly by by rounding up the illegals and to make them an example,.....a deterent to entry without the proper vetting and credentials.
This country owes a great debt to its indigenous peoples and to some extent to those brought here in chains and sold into slavery. However we cannot change the past.
But just think about what this country would be in 25 yrs. (one generation) if immediate and stern steps aren't taken now!

[Moonshot_1]

Folks come to this country, legally or illegally, to find a better life. To find the ability to excessive freedoms and liberties inherent in our system and lacking in theirs.

No one can fault them for this.

We surely can make the path to citizenship much less time consuming and arduous. But to have any value it must not be too easy. It must come at a cost of at least abandoning one's native citizenship and embracing ours and the ability to positively add to our society.

The liberties and freedoms people seek here should be robustly exported to those countries that we see the highest immigration from. Not by any means necessary, but by most means available.

People flock here in droves from other countries. We should demand to know why they are abandoning their lands and demand changes in the respective governments to bring the American freedoms and liberties to them and their people so they will not have to seek them here.

[The emperor has no clothes]

People flock here in droves from other countries. We should demand to know why they are abandoning their lands and demand changes in the respective governments to bring the American freedoms and liberties to them and their people so they will not have to seek them here.

And how would you demand changes in their governments ? Let’s not forget your ancestors and mine flocked here in droves also. Let’s also not forget that our CIA had big parts in making their governments what they are.

[Gavin_Sons]

Folks come to this country, legally or illegally, to find a better life. To find the ability to excessive freedoms and liberties inherent in our system and lacking in theirs.

No one can fault them for this.

We surely can make the path to citizenship much less time consuming and arduous. But to have any value it must not be too easy. It must come at a cost of at least abandoning one's native citizenship and embracing ours and the ability to positively add to our society.

The liberties and freedoms people seek here should be robustly exported to those countries that we see the highest immigration from. Not by any means necessary, but by most means available.

People flock here in droves from other countries. We should demand to know why they are abandoning their lands and demand changes in the respective governments to bring the American freedoms and liberties to them and their people so they will not have to seek them here.

I'm all for immigration as long as it is done legally. And lets be honest, do we reallytnink 100% of the illegals are coming here for a better life? Or are they just looking for handouts? I also think we could make path to citizenship a little easier, there is no need for someone to pass the vetting process then wait 2 years to gain citizenship. As for all the illegals coming up from where ever they are coming from, they should be turned away. That is nothing but an invasion and should be treated as such.

[Jess from VA]

From an immigration visa (or other lawful entry document) to citizenship (if you pass the tests) is 5 years (shorter if married to US citizens or US military).  Five years is good (lets make sure they don't do criminal or antisocial acts).  If they are here legally, and pending citizenship legally, there's no rush for full citizenship.  Think of it as probation. 

[Robert]

From an immigration visa (or other lawful entry document) to citizenship (if you pass the tests) is 5 years (shorter if married to US citizens or US military).  Five years is good (lets make sure they don't do criminal or antisocial acts).  If they are here legally, and pending citizenship legally, there's no rush for full citizenship.  Think of it as probation. 

 



If we would just stop 2 policies that welcome the bad ones which is get here and you can stay, and have a baby here and your a citizen along with your whole family. But make immigration laws a little less  strict and have the process go just a bit faster and all would probably be good. If its easy then they will take the easy and not respect the country.

[old2soon]

       Seems like they-the Hondurans-in teeajuwanna tried to storm our border today. They were tear gassed by U S Border Patrol Agents. In the photos I saw some honduran flags. IF they are in FACT escaping a repressive regime WHY in the hell are the carrying honduran flags?   Also saw some young children in the gas clouds. Did these repressed immigrants NOT Think this out Before they left home? Also the mayor of teeajuwanna has declared a humanitarian crisis and is asking the U S of A for assistance. W T F-over? WHY didn't mexico stop them at their southern border? I M H O-mexico let them come on up let mexico deal with it. A humanitarian crisis of mexico's own doing. Again-I M H O-Mexica made their bed let mexico sleep in it. RIDE SAFE.

[Willow]

      Seems like they-the Hondurans-in teeajuwanna tried to storm our border today. They were tear gassed by U S Border Patrol Agents. In the photos I saw some honduran flags. IF they are in FACT escaping a repressive regime WHY in the hell are the carrying honduran flags?   Also saw some young children in the gas clouds. Did these repressed immigrants NOT Think this out Before they left home? Also the mayor of teeajuwanna has declared a humanitarian crisis and is asking the U S of A for assistance. W T F-over? WHY didn't mexico stop them at their southern border? I M H O-mexico let them come on up let mexico deal with it. A humanitarian crisis of mexico's own doing. Again-I M H O-Mexica made their bed let mexico sleep in it. RIDE SAFE.

Dennis, it's pretty easy for us to sit in the comfort of our cultural and environmental soft chairs and not come close to understanding what goes on with much of the world.  The Hondurans are not so much escaping being Hondurans but escaping the bullies that wield power there.  Is it right?  Not for us to welcome them into our culture but it's understandable. 

Our forces need to do what they have to do to protect us from forced entry (invasion).

As for the Mexicans flying Mexican flags in the southwest I'm not certain they recognize our right to the land we virtually stole from Mexico.

Tijuana.  It's not cool to disrespect people by ridiculing their names of their places.  The mayor of Tijuana wasn't present or responsible for what happened on the south end of Mexico.   

[old2soon]

           Far as how I call Tijuana it's a hold over from the first time I was there in 64. Also as an over the road trucker a Lot of American cities have trucker nick names which a Lot of them are not fit for some folks to see in print. Meant no disrespect but the Mayor of Tijuana is left holding the bad due to some-in retrospect-poor decisions by the president of Mexico. And I also understand most if not all the "treaties" the U S of A made with Native Americans have been broken and we have stolen land from Mexico. While our past ain't purty we are trying to protect our future-well the future of our children and grand children and our great-well you git it I KNOW. RIDE SAFE.

[Rams]

I'm going to try to say (type) this carefully but I will probably still offend a lot of you.

 

Lastly I think we should exclude anyone who could reasonably be expected to vote for the wrong political party.     

Didn't offend me at all...... 

[Robert]

Why if you want to come to the US would you join a group that its already known to be problem with a bunch of problem makers? If you need transportation why not stay with the caravan then lay low in Mexico till the increased scrutiny and protective measures are taken away?

Why would you storm the US boarder a violent act in of itself, then many here think they are peaceful, really? If I have a dog come to me with its head down thin and humble I will go out of my way to help it but if it comes baring teeth, its on. Its not a right as they are being told on advertising in their countries. They come as invaders, not as people seeking asylum.




If you would like to see videos of what is happening then this girl has some and interviews some people.
https://www.facebook.com/PalomaForTrump/
 
Paloma For Trump

https://palomafortrump.com/

Who I am
I am an American loving activist, born in Mexico, came to America legally as a kid at 10 years old, though I visited America for the first 10 years of my life and went back to Mexico always knowing and loving this beautiful nation. After my biological father died in Mexico, my mother remarried a wonderful American Citizen, who became my step dad and gave me the blessing of becoming a US Citizen.

  We waited for almost 10 years to finalize our citizenship, we paid our dues, we waited in line, and I feel every person who comes to America should not only do the same, but also learn the language, assimilate the culture, respect and love America like I do. And VALUE AND THANK GOD EVERY SINGLE DAY for the gift and blessing it is to be a part of the greatest country in the world.

I travel between Mexico and different cities and states in America sharing the REAL STORIES, Real News as it is the Only way we will be able to fight back against so much corruption, deceit and the destruction of our great country!
##

Below is a statistic given that many dont address in the light of immigration but shouldn't we address these first BEFORE we allow others on the benefits packages?

 How can you bleed for those coming here illegally without bleeding and addressing those already here? This is the elephant in the room for immigration and the illegals make it bad for the country that has to host them and for the ones that do it legally.

The Tax Policy Center has updated its estimate of the percentage of Americans who pay no federal individual income taxes. And the number is: 44 percent in 2018—about 2 percentage points above last year.Sep 5, 2018.

What about the middle class that struggles to food on table, health care for their family, cars, housing, and such I dont hear anyone bleeding for the ones that lost their house in the crash. 

Its not hate to be fair and just, its not racist or non caring to want to take care of your family and fear the bills and sacrifices you make to have a good life and be a good provider and want orderly immigration so that all can be provided for and the fabric of society stays healthy also.

We here in the US have, according to Feeding America, more than 42 million people now suffer from hunger throughout the nation.

In the midst of a recovering economy, low unemployment and nearly nonexistent inflation, the fact remains that nearly 1 in 7 Americans still goes to bed hungry each night. According to recent statistics released by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, 15.8 million U.S. households — that's 12.7 percent of the total — didn't have enough food to eat at some point last year, the latest period for which numbers are available.

The US debt is at 12 trillion, the Federal reserve is trying to pull the rug out from the financial markets, we have millions that cannot afford food and housing and work and cannot save anything to purchase a house or get ahead. Effectively making every US citizen a rat in a squirrel cage, running but never getting ahead. We have corrupt politicians trying to defy the US constitution and take away from the middle class every last vestige of benefit, finance and legal remedy even changing from common law to make them slaves of the US as a whole.  Now we have to have this orchestrated attack on the Southern boarder with bleeding hearts. Sorry I feel for these migrants but I have enough concern about what is happening here to be overloaded with.

 IF the truth offends anyone then,,,

[¿spoom]

Also easy to say, "enough is enough". We went through the whole amnesty thing years ago, and it was supposed to be tied to border security because it was a, "one time thing". Except one of the two parties never cared to keep up their end. That's why we conservatives refuse to get excited about "comprehensive" immigration reform because why bother changing a lot of the laws when the last guy's peeps only enforced the ones they felt like. Same would happen again. Time to stop playing games and enforce the law, secure the border and then once the eak is stopped we can decide what kind of pumps to use. I'd love to see the legal system sped up, but not until we have control of who is coming in.
Amnesty? The caravans had no valid claim to amnesty because they ignored Mexico's offer of asylum at the southern border. Around 3k people accepted Mexico's offer to stay in Mexico indefinitely, yet 5k+ kept going and are now at our border but they can't claim amnesty since they just kept going after it'd already been offered. Don't tell me you're starving after you push away a plate of something you don't like. Amnesty isn't for anyone who just wants a better country, it's for those who can't stay where they are for fear of "fill in the blank". 

[Robert]

Some wonder how the Soros initiative works or may be a fallacy here is one example of the Open Societies influence and how it was done. I cannot wait to see how much money Soros poured into this migrant caravan, Soros funded terror and concept of how society should be.

In March, Fox News reported that USAID gave nearly $15 million to George Soros' Open Society Foundation over Obama's last four years in office alone, which conducts extensive work in the West Bank / Palestine region - however the funding was primarily for Soros operations in Albania and Macedonia.

According to the USAID website, the agency gave over $18 million to an Open Society Institute (OSI) program from 2005 - 2012 operating in the West Bank, which sought to place prospective Palestinian PhD students in United States partner universities with waived or reduced tuition.

These types of programs are coming to an end, however, at least at the US Taxpayer's expense.