I hope someone hires him with a raise in pay

[The emperor has no clothes]

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/cvs-employee-fired-tackling-suspected-thief-not-allowed-fight-back-211817957.html

Companies come up with some BS policies sometimes. I hope these guys get new, better jobs soon.

[DirtyDan]

Not allowed to fight back..........

Who would think like that.......... ?

Dan

[Gavin_Sons]

Not allowed to fight back..........

Who would think like that.......... ?

Dan

Home Depot has the same policy, If you see someone stealing you can not confront them or tackle them. All you can do is call the police. Reason is they had a shoplifter and an employee followed them out to the parking lot and confronted them and the thief pulled a gun and shot the employee.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Not allowed to fight back..........

Who would think like that.......... ?

Dan

Sadly, many companies have similar policies. I don’t bother with them, just let the cops handle it. Now, if any kind of threat of violence was to pose itself that would be a different matter. Just have to let the chips fall where they may in that circumstance. You can bet I would be consulting a lawyer if I were to be fired for defending a customer or fellow worker.

[Jess from VA]

If a guy has a gun, or says he has a gun (or other deadly weapon), and offers to use it, then all bets are off.  Many times doing nothing may be the smartest thing to do, even if you could drop him easily with your CCW, or fists.  But it you think he won't hurt anyone, just take the money and go, then that can really be the smart move... whether you are an employee or unlucky customer there at the wrong time.

But if he has crazy eyes, and is acting emotionally out of control, I'd do whatever it took to survive and help others survive, and be cursed with the job.

Remember, the reasonableness (under all the circumstances present) you relied on in deciding to use deadly force against a perp, is the same reasonableness the cops, grand jury, prosecutor, judge and jury will be looking at.... after it's all over and you are funneled through the criminal justice system.

These companies that require complete non resistance are just protecting their corporate liability and costs, as they should do.  That doesn't make it right or fair, but it's their prerogative.

It may be a badly wrong policy once or twice, but may over time be the best response over 50 incidents over a period of years.  And that is exactly how corporate policies are created.    

[Pete]

These companies that require complete non resistance are just protecting their corporate liability and costs, as they should do.  That doesn't make it right or fair, but it's their prerogative.

It may be a badly wrong policy once or twice, but may over time be the best response over 50 incidents over a period of years.  And that is exactly how corporate policies are created.    

Actually NO, they are effectively nullifying you right to defend yourself, and that is not theirs to  nullify. And if someone is injured following their policy they should be libel.

[Jess from VA]

Well they don't really take your right to defend yourself away, you can still defend yourself.  But you may lose your job for it.

I don't know, but it's probable that a condition of employment is to sign an agreement to never resist.  If you wanted the job, you signed.  So you agreed (beforehand) to your firing, if you violated the agreement.  The courts will not void or disregard contracts both parties fully understood, even if it is a bad or unfair (but not illegal) contract.  

Now if someone follows the policy to a T, and gets hurt of killed doing so, they could be sued for it, and could lose the suit, if it can be proved the policy actually caused the damages.  But it's hard to prove you could/would have stopped the damages by your defensive action.  You may or may not have been able to stop the damages, despite your action.  

I don't like these no resist jobs any more than anyone else.  But if I needed the work, I'd sign and still resist if I thought it was the right thing to do.  But I wouldn't be too upset by being fired; after all they promised to fire me if I resisted, and they did.  

[Gavin_Sons]

That happened just a few miles up the road from my work.  Maybe I should have our owner offer him a job. He also lives in Greenfield.

[DIGGER]

About 5 yrs ago I was in Acadamy in Tomball Tx and while shopping for some work boots I observed 2 rough looking guys  trying on work  boots.   They decided on which ones and put their old boots in the new boot boxes and put them back on the shelves and on their way out stopped to look at something else so I hot footed it to the front desk and told the manager what was happening and he told me there was nothing he could do.   He said company policy as to do nothing.....not even calling the cops as the cops tie up employees time that would cost more than the boots.       We stood there and watched them walked out.

[Ramie]

When I was younger I had a job servicing equipment in grocery stores.  The meat cutters at the back of the store were able to watch the isles through holes in the mirrored glass, they caught a lot of shop lifters for the store.  They could tell in a second who was a risk and not much got past them.

[cookiedough]

hard to know from video 100%, but looked like the guy was ready to go out the door with no threat of violence to the 2 workers there.  Just let him leave with drugs since he probably did not threaten with violence gestures to them and wanted to leave without no harm done.

Now, if someone wraps me on the head or hits me in the face, etc., that is entirely different have a right to defend yourself and should never be fired for doing as such. 

My daughter works at Target and said she has seen several shoplifters but policy is to NEVER confront them nor do anything about it or she will be fired.  Not like it is her own merchandise they are stealing right?  Even going up to the person calmly and telling him/her to put the items back is grounds to be fired.

I reported 2 dirtballs at work a few years ago for smoking weed in the breakroom not confronting them but informing police officers on duty to go get them afterwards soon after their break and office could smell it on them big time as I could (they flushed their butts down the toilet saw them do it as well)  I filled out report to all higher up since I was the asst. supervisor at the time and NEVER doing that again, screw the company policy since they both should have been drug tested ASAP as company policy and fired that same day NEVER to return but they let them both finish out the season a few weeks later then never hiring them again.  Rules are strictly enforced supposedly NO SMOKING AT ALL even outside building on company grounds and  yet they allowed 2 to smoke dope on break inside breakroom??  yet, they fired a hard working loyal employee for lighting up a cigarette going out the door one night AFTER work was done who was one of our best workers and there a long time?  Stupid people make stupid rules and break them so screw the company.  Was not worth my time and hastle doing over 1 hour of paperwork for nothing.

[The emperor has no clothes]

When I was younger I had a job servicing equipment in grocery stores.  The meat cutters at the back of the store were able to watch the isles through holes in the mirrored glass, they caught a lot of shop lifters for the store.  They could tell in a second who was a risk and not much got past them.

Used to be part of the job. Them days are gone. Now, with most companies even if you see someone stashing something in their purse or elsewhere, you can't even say anything to them unless you have went thru the companies theft deterrence program. It seems companies focus more on employee theft than customer theft. Maybe for good reason. For some 20 year olds making $8 an hour cashiering, the temptation of pocketing a hundred dollars is too much.

[Jess from VA]

My wife was a BX (USAF general store) store-detective.  Between '87 and '92 she busted more people shoplifting than any other military sales store detective west of the Mississippi.  Two and three a day, and hundreds per year.  Even my 3-star commander's (punk) son.  And a junior enlisted man working the back storeroom for extra money loading stuff into his car (and testified at his court martial).  And a pilot stealing a pair of cheater reading glasses. 

The only policy they had was that the perp could not be confronted until they exited the store front doors (so they couldn't say they intended to pay at the cash register up front, even though they put the items in their pockets).  She usually did this alone (120 lbs), and I worried that someone might get violent.  Many got nasty, but none assaulted her.  She was just fearless.  And a call to the SPs had them there in 2-4 minutes.  I knew she was sneaky, but I tell you she was an artist at that job.  She was mid 20s, but dressed to look like a HS kid.

What I really object to in so many companies having a policy of just let it go, to avoid publicity, possible liability, dealing with cops and courts, just for the bottom line.  Well, if you don't know it, all that theft gets paid for by you and me and all honest people.... they just adjust prices of all goods upward to cover the annual costs of all theft.  So WE pay for it.  Just another socialist go along and get along program rewarding bums and thieves at honest people's expense.

(I can see requiring no resistance for armed robbery, but for simple shoplifting?)

[3fan4life]

This is an interesting article on the subject of Loss Prevention:

https://losspreventionmedia.com/insider/shoplifting-organized-retail-crime/to-stop-or-not-to-stop-the-shoplifter-is-this-still-a-question/


It appears that there is much more to take into consideration than you would think.