why we need the wall

[98valk]

https://gellerreport.com/2018/12/female-tourists-beheaded-2.html/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

very graphic of them beheading the young girl alive, she cries and tries to stop them and then chopping her head off.

these animals are already in our country more want to come in. once their numbers are up they will start more of these beheadings.

[old2soon]

            Build the SNUGGLIN wall NOW! For those wanting to come into the U S of A Photo I Ds and finger printed. The gubmint did it to me-finger pints photo I d-when I joined the U S Navy. AND voter registration I D. Caught with fraudulent I d or some one else's I d-both of ya deported NOW with NO possibility of returning EVER. Nuff fer now. RIDE SAFE.

[sandy]

One item in the report said it was politically motivated. Political my butt. It's that lousy religion that warps minds from birth. Trump's right when he wants to ban immigrants from certain countries.

[Gryphon Rider]

Except "the wall" is to be at the Mexican border, where the people trying to cross into the US are from countries with a majority of Christians, with the variations being the proportions of Roman Catholic and protestant/evangelicals, and in which Muslims are an insignificant minority.

[old2soon]

Except "the wall" is to be at the Mexican border, where the people trying to cross into the US are from countries with a majority of Christians, with the variations being the proportions of Roman Catholic and protestant/evangelicals, and in which Muslims are an insignificant minority.

          BUT we-The U S of A gotta confirm their bonafides. Simple really. RIDE SAFE.

[98valk]

Except "the wall" is to be at the Mexican border, where the people trying to cross into the US are from countries with a majority of Christians, with the variations being the proportions of Roman Catholic and protestant/evangelicals, and in which Muslims are an insignificant minority.

 

[Valker]

Except "the wall" is to be at the Mexican border, where the people trying to cross into the US are from countries with a majority of Christians, with the variations being the proportions of Roman Catholic and protestant/evangelicals, and in which Muslims are an insignificant small, but highly motivated and dangerous minority.

I think this is more accurate.

[Chrisj CMA]

Except "the wall" is to be at the Mexican border, where the people trying to cross into the US are from countries with a majority of Christians, with the variations being the proportions of Roman Catholic and protestant/evangelicals, and in which Muslims are an insignificant minority.

 

He doesn’t get it

[Savago]

I clicked in the link and it seems the crime happened in Morocco, which last time I checked is not even in this continent. The murderers were arrested by the local authorities.

Your argument is that we need a wall otherwise muslims will invade from South (i.e. Mexico).

Sorry, it doesn't make any sense.

[Valker]

We need a border wall to prevent illegal immigration. I don’t give a rat’s ass who it is.

[Gavin_Sons]

I clicked in the link and it seems the crime happened in Morocco, which last time I checked is not even in this continent. The murderers were arrested by the local authorities.

Your argument is that we need a wall otherwise muslims will invade from South (i.e. Mexico).

Sorry, it doesn't make any sense.

Makes plenty of sense to me. 
I want zero illegals here. Do it theright way and come join our country lawfully. We would be glad to have you.

[98valk]

I clicked in the link and it seems the crime happened in Morocco, which last time I checked is not even in this continent. The murderers were arrested by the local authorities.

Your argument is that we need a wall otherwise muslims will invade from South (i.e. Mexico).

Sorry, it doesn't make any sense.

yes keep staying in the magical world of CNN

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/07/texas-border-patrol-apprehends-four-muslims-from-bangladesh-illegally-crossing-into-us

The Investigative Project reported in January 2017: “A report by the Texas Department of Public Safety raises concerns about ISIS terrorists using the Mexican border both to enter and leave the country. It noted that at least 13 aspiring terrorists have tried to cross into Mexico, or considered trying, since 2012.” In 2017, nearly 180 Bangladeshi nationals were apprehended trying to cross the US/Mexican border into Texas.

“Border Patrol apprehends four men from Bangladesh,” Brownsville Herald, July 20, 2018 (thanks to Dalton):


https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/11/three-pakistani-muslims-apprehended-in-u-s-at-arizona-border

More evidence..not on the world of cnn

In 2001, Mahmoud Kourani was smuggled across the Mexican border and into the US in the trunk of a car. According to federal court documents, Mr. Kourani was a member, fighter, and fundraiser for the Lebanese Shiite militant group Hezbollah.
Could you pass a US citizenship test?

He settled in Dearborn, Mich., as an unauthorized migrant, raising money for Hezbollah until he was ordered deported in 2003.
https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2017/0115/Are-terrorists-crossing-the-US-Mexico-border-Excerpts-from-the-case-file

[Chrisj CMA]

I clicked in the link and it seems the crime happened in Morocco, which last time I checked is not even in this continent. The murderers were arrested by the local authorities.

Your argument is that we need a wall otherwise muslims will invade from South (i.e. Mexico).

Sorry, it doesn't make any sense.

Another one that doesn’t get it. All kind of bad guys from MS13 to ISIS are already using our open border as a free highway onto our country

[Savago]

I'm afraid that there is some confusion here between an immigration problem X terror threats against the USA.

They are 2 different problems with 2 different solutions.

What is sure is that a 'magical' wall won't solve neither problems, but rather be a waste of money.
 

If anyone here is *really* concerned about ISIS, pay attention to what Trump has decided to do in Syria. The decision to leave was so bad that James Mattis resigned.

It will embolden the enemies of USA and be celebrated as a victory by Syria + Iran + Russia.

[Chrisj CMA]

I'm afraid that there is some confusion here between an immigration problem X terror threats against the USA.

They are 2 different problems with 2 different solutions.

What is sure is that a 'magical' wall won't solve neither problems, but rather be a waste of money.
 

If anyone here is *really* concerned about ISIS, pay attention to what Trump has decided to do in Syria. The decision to leave was so bad that James Mattis resigned.

It will embolden the enemies of USA and be celebrated as a victory by Syria + Iran + Russia.

I guess you don’t listen to what border control agents say about a real wall. It works and it will stop all types of illegals whether they are tomato pickers or suicide bombers.

[Valker]

I'm afraid that there is some confusion here between an immigration problem X terror threats against the USA.

They are 2 different problems with 2 different solutions.

What is sure is that a 'magical' wall won't solve neither problems, but rather be a waste of money.
 

Do you lock your doors on your house? Why? Why do you even have door locks? Is THAT a waste of money? We want a wall for the same reason.

[DirtyDan]

I'm afraid that there is some confusion here between an immigration problem X terror threats against the USA.

They are 2 different problems with 2 different solutions.

What is sure is that a 'magical' wall won't solve neither problems, but rather be a waste of money.
 

Do you lock your doors on your house? Why? Why do you even have door locks? Is THAT a waste of money? We want a wall for the same reason.

+1

Dan

[scooperhsd]

I don't want a $25-50 BILLION wall - I want a 1/2 mile deep minefield stretching from the Texas Gulf Coast to the California Coast. Cheaper to install, and the first time an illegal looses a leg, everybody else will get the message that our border is no longer open. And it will be more effective to boot.

[Jess from VA]

And, it's a lot tougher to tunnel under a half mile minefield, than a wall.

I think they loose more than a leg.  

And, we have a lot of choices:

United States    Area Denial Munitions

    BLU-14
    BLU-43
    BLU-91
    BLU-92
    M1 mine
    M5 mine
    M6 mine
    M7 mine
    M14 mine
    M15 mine
    M16 mine
    M18A1 Claymore Antipersonnel Mine
    M19 mine
    M21 mine
    M74 mine
    M75 mine
    M86 Pursuit Deterrent Munition
    M93 HORNET mine
    Medium Atomic Demolition Munition  
    X-200 mine
    XM22 mine
    XM27 mine
    XM40E5 mine
    XM41 mine
    XM41E1 mine
    XM44 mine
    XM45E1 mine
    XM-54 mine
    XM65 mine

[Chrisj CMA]

When Obama was President the democrats approved money for a partial wall. They didn't follow through but they know it works. Everyone except California who thinks undocumented friends make great pets.  

The reason democrats are against the wall right now is because they know if Trump gets it done it will get him re-elected.

This is horrifieng to a liberal

[baldo]

And, it's a lot tougher to tunnel under a half mile minefield, than a wall.

I think they loose more than a leg.  

And, we have a lot of choices:

United States    Area Denial Munitions

    BLU-14
    BLU-43
    BLU-91
    BLU-92
    M1 mine
    M5 mine
    M6 mine
    M7 mine
    M14 mine
    M15 mine
    M16 mine
    M18A1 Claymore Antipersonnel Mine
    M19 mine
    M21 mine
    M74 mine
    M75 mine
    M86 Pursuit Deterrent Munition
    M93 HORNET mine
    Medium Atomic Demolition Munition  
    X-200 mine
    XM22 mine
    XM27 mine
    XM40E5 mine
    XM41 mine
    XM41E1 mine
    XM44 mine
    XM45E1 mine
    XM-54 mine
    XM65 mine

snuggling sick.

[Alpha Dog]

For the nay sayers other countries with a wall to combat illegals are working quite well.  Israel, Poland, Hungary come to mind.   The greatest responsibilities  a President was entrusted  with in the constitution is the protection of its people.   For far, far, too long this has only had lip service applied.

[..]

The tax payers must be so proud 

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=cost+of+illegal+immigration+in+california&atb=v95-1_f&ia=web

[Psychotic Bovine]

And, it's a lot tougher to tunnel under a half mile minefield, than a wall.

I think they loose more than a leg.  

And, we have a lot of choices:

United States    Area Denial Munitions

    BLU-14
    BLU-43
    BLU-91
    BLU-92
    M1 mine
    M5 mine
    M6 mine
    M7 mine
    M14 mine
    M15 mine
    M16 mine
    M18A1 Claymore Antipersonnel Mine
    M19 mine
    M21 mine
    M74 mine
    M75 mine
    M86 Pursuit Deterrent Munition
    M93 HORNET mine
    Medium Atomic Demolition Munition  
    X-200 mine
    XM22 mine
    XM27 mine
    XM40E5 mine
    XM41 mine
    XM41E1 mine
    XM44 mine
    XM45E1 mine
    XM-54 mine
    XM65 mine

snuggling sick.

I agree.  The fact that we have so few anti-personnel options is pretty sick.

Although the "Medium Atomic Demolition Munition" is a pretty awesome deterrent!
 

[Robert]

Merry Christmas to all and there are a few good points this time of year worth thanking the current administration for that you will not hear on the news.

 


United States invokes Section 235(b)(2)(c) of Immigration and Nationality Act

In an absolutely STUNNING move, the Trump Administration today "stuck-it" to Democrats by notifying Mexico the United States is invoking Section 235(b)(2)(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act.

This means ANYONE arriving in the US from Mexico, without authorization or proper paperwork, is IMMEDIATELY REMOVED back to Mexico to await their immigration claim . . . whatever that claim is.

No more Mexicans and others walking our streets while their Immigration case takes years to wind through the system.

Can you hear the Liberal Heads EXPLODING?

Merry Christmas!  

Because of,  

California Cops ‘Frustrated’ With Sanctuary Laws Stopping Them From Working With ICE Over Twice-Deported Criminal

The comments from Tulare County Sheriff Mike Boudreaux come following the death of Gustavo Garcia, a 36-year-old who police say embarked on a ‘reign of terror’ robbing a convenience store, shooting and killing a person and firing at buildings before crashing a truck that he had stolen. The day-long crime spree that began Sunday in the Fresno area also left five injured, including one critical, and Lindsay Police suspect Garcia was involved in an additional murder there.

During the chase Monday that ended in the crash that left Garcia dead, he drove the wrong way at speeds of up to 100 mph and hit four other cars – something that he appeared to have done on purpose, police said.

or this,  

Unhinged Democrat Rep. Luis Gutierrez mocks people that say Christmas, instead of holiday season, and then says Trump would share responsibility for killing baby Jesus. pic.twitter.com/lSpezOCT8F

Along with,  

Soros Gave $1.35M To ‘Nonpartisan’ Watchdog Inundating Trump with Lawsuits

Liberal billionaire George Soros provided $1.35 million to a “nonpartisan” government watchdog organization last year that is hitting the Trump administration with a steady flow of complaints and lawsuits in an attempt to “damage” his presidency, according to tax filings provided to the Washington Free Beacon.

Because of activist judges like this  

Judge Strikes Down Guidelines To Prevent Abuse Of Asylum System

The Trump administration may not enforce new policies that make it more difficult for immigrants to obtain asylum due to gender or gang violence, a federal judge in Washington, D.C., said Wednesday

But Soros has been busy  

George Soros, Big Banks And Google Fund Anti-Trump Resistance Group

The liberal think tank Center for American Progress (CAP), now fashioning itself as a powerful anti-Trump force, is funded by George Soros, big banks and several large corporations.

CAP, founded in 2003 by former Hillary Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, has long been a prominent liberal think tank in Washington. Now, they look to be the leader of efforts on the left to fight against Donald Trump’s incoming administration though their advocacy wing, the Center for American Progress Action Fund (CAPAF).

Billionaire investor George Soros pledged on Tuesday to invest up to $500 million in programs and companies benefiting migrants and refugees fleeing life-threatening situations.

[Skinhead]

I seem to recall a wall in a city in Germany that worked pretty well for 50 years before it was torn down.  A few got across, but they had to work for it.  More proof that walls don't work.

[old2soon]

I seem to recall a wall in a city in Germany that worked pretty well for 50 years before it was torn down.  A few got across, but they had to work for it.  More proof that walls don't work.

           Very conveniently overlooked by lame stream media and lame politicos. And by some here on this board. RIDE SAFE.

[cookiedough]

Not saying all Muslims are evil, but the small percentage of them are doing the most horrid of crimes to people and something needs to be done to keep them out.  Now, going to other countries outside the US,  your call, but I would not be there too risky not as safe IMO.  I prefer to travel the US first and probably more so just strictly in the US vs. other countries.  The cost of a passport needed now into Canada is not cheap either.

[scooperhsd]

The Berlin Wall was much shorter than Trump's wall would be - it is 1553 miles DRIVING from Brownsville Texas to San Diego via I-10. Following the border will increase that somewhat. So how much time and how expensive will that wall cost to build ?

[Jess from VA]

I suppose it will cost a lot, but with many big programs and projects, the idea should be to just get started.  It doesn't have to be funded entirely all at one time.  Obviously, efforts should be made to keep costs down and use economical materials.  While there may be better ideas on how to proceed, I like the old transcontinental railroad idea; start east going west, and west going east, and meet in the middle.

[Hook#3287]

I propose a new course for the wall.

Start at the southern border of Texas, go west along southern borders of New Mexico and Arizona.  Then north along Arizona and Nevada.

You could go east over to the Pacific under Oregon, or maybe just wall out Portland and Seattle.

Of course, this is a pun, not going to happen.

The immigration problem is large & complex and I don't believe a physical barrier is the complete answer, but it is a start.

There are huge expanses of the border that the wall would just be scaled, cut, or dug under and no one would know for days, so why spend the money?

I would think the technical advances, present and future, would be more effective in those areas and the money spent for walls in the urban areas more effective.

But it takes other measures to stop the illegal flow.

Making the market not attractive to employers of illegals is major, and not policed.

You'd be hard pressed to find a roofing company in New England that is not comprised of mostly Guatemalans.

Good, hard working people, but if you checked their papers, most have none.

Speaking with the manager of a crew, he went by George (not his real name), he stated he'll work here for 5 yrs, save enough money, go back to Guatemala and retire.   His job is to keep it all going right and then handing it over to the next George.  Of course, paying taxes is not in the mix.

The employers, Americans, charge $300 to $400 per square, pay the crew $60.00 to $80.00 cash per.
Material costs are around $125.00 per, so they clear $100 to $200 per sq after taxes & costs and they never touch a hammer.

Good work, if you can get it.

Unless there is a death, everything goes good.  Injuries are taken care of under the radar and the co-workers of anyone injured, take care of them so the work will continue.

But, on the other hand, try finding young hard working Americans that want to do the work.

They'd rather live in Mom's basement and play vids all day.

  

[Chrisj CMA]

Well Jess we could build the wall then hire those video playing kids to fly unmanned drones armed with tranquilizer darts and atomatic gps to retrieval units so the sleeping guests can be delivered back home safely

[Gryphon Rider]

Except "the wall" is to be at the Mexican border, where the people trying to cross into the US are from countries with a majority of Christians, with the variations being the proportions of Roman Catholic and protestant/evangelicals, and in which Muslims are an insignificant minority.

 

He doesn’t get it

Oh, I get it.  I know that "the wall" will help prevent illegal economic migration from happening, i.e. it will keep the poor on their side of the border.  And, believe it or not, I don't have a problem with that; I actually believe in maintaining the integrity of international borders, and that immigration should happen in a controlled and above-the-board way.

The news story in the original posting is about Muslims murdering non-Muslim tourists within a Muslim country, but with 98valk's topic heading, "why we need the wall".  The wall will do absolutely nothing to keep Muslim terrorists out of the US.  Iran and Saudi Arabia, which are the real sponsors of Islamic terrorism, have no lack of resources to help terrorists get through the border at airports and at legitimate land crossings.

But they don't even need to do that.  All they need to do is figure out who some of the malcontents are amongst the 3.45 million Muslims already living in the US, recruit them, train them, supply them, and set them loose.  Compared to that threat, the 40,000 Muslims living in Mexico and central America are no threat whatsoever.

In other words, the whole premise of 98valk's original post, that a border wall will prevent machete-happy Muslims from entering the US, is ludicrous.

[Gavin_Sons]

Except "the wall" is to be at the Mexican border, where the people trying to cross into the US are from countries with a majority of Christians, with the variations being the proportions of Roman Catholic and protestant/evangelicals, and in which Muslims are an insignificant minority.

 

He doesn’t get it

Oh, I get it.  I know that "the wall" will help prevent illegal economic migration from happening, i.e. it will keep the poor on their side of the border.  And, believe it or not, I don't have a problem with that; I actually believe in maintaining the integrity of international borders, and that immigration should happen in a controlled and above-the-board way.

The news story in the original posting is about Muslims murdering non-Muslim tourists within a Muslim country, but with 98valk's topic heading, "why we need the wall".  The wall will do absolutely nothing to keep Muslim terrorists out of the US.  Iran and Saudi Arabia, which are the real sponsors of Islamic terrorism, have no lack of resources to help terrorists get through the border at airports and at legitimate land crossings.

But they don't even need to do that.  All they need to do is figure out who some of the malcontents are amongst the 3.45 million Muslims already living in the US, recruit them, train them, supply them, and set them loose.  Compared to that threat, the 40,000 Muslims living in Mexico and central America are no threat whatsoever.

In other words, the whole premise of 98valk's original post, that a border wall will prevent machete-happy Muslims from entering the US, is ludicrous.

Maybe we also need a north border wall  

You know, to keep out your 1 million or so muslims and residents that think they know more about a country than the people that actually live here. 

[Oss]

Valker said it best

You build a fence or put a lock on a door to keep bad guys out of your house

You would not willingly consume poison, why would you not protect your border with a wall when you KNOW that some of those bent on crime, death or mayhem will enter freely

Remember even if only a few terrorists are defeated that means it was not a waste.  I would say use the money confiscated from drug trafficers and fund the wall with that or with some of the mega millions money that goes nowhere,

As to what to do with a caught mule or terrorist - load them on the trebuchet and throw them back   As to those idiots who would shut down the government rather than fund the wall... kiss my a$$ and go to Mexico without papers. When they finally release you it will be a different tune you sing   I was just there, they dont screw around.

[¿spoom]

"But, on the other hand, try finding young hard working Americans that want to do the work."

Maybe we COULD find lots of folks to do it, IF the employers, (Americans) paid American crews more than $60.00 to $80.00 per square, and there was no cheap competition from illegals? I've never been able to figure out why the "party of the working man" champions illegal aliens to undercut the American working man. Just kidding, we all know why. Votes. Power.

[Gryphon Rider]

Except "the wall" is to be at the Mexican border, where the people trying to cross into the US are from countries with a majority of Christians, with the variations being the proportions of Roman Catholic and protestant/evangelicals, and in which Muslims are an insignificant minority.

 

He doesn’t get it

Oh, I get it.  I know that "the wall" will help prevent illegal economic migration from happening, i.e. it will keep the poor on their side of the border.  And, believe it or not, I don't have a problem with that; I actually believe in maintaining the integrity of international borders, and that immigration should happen in a controlled and above-the-board way.

The news story in the original posting is about Muslims murdering non-Muslim tourists within a Muslim country, but with 98valk's topic heading, "why we need the wall".  The wall will do absolutely nothing to keep Muslim terrorists out of the US.  Iran and Saudi Arabia, which are the real sponsors of Islamic terrorism, have no lack of resources to help terrorists get through the border at airports and at legitimate land crossings.

But they don't even need to do that.  All they need to do is figure out who some of the malcontents are amongst the 3.45 million Muslims already living in the US, recruit them, train them, supply them, and set them loose.  Compared to that threat, the 40,000 Muslims living in Mexico and central America are no threat whatsoever.

In other words, the whole premise of 98valk's original post, that a border wall will prevent machete-happy Muslims from entering the US, is ludicrous.

Maybe we also need a north border wall  

You know, to keep out your 1 million or so muslims and residents that think they know more about a country than the people that actually live here. 

Please build that wall! You know that the balance of illegal migration at the Canada-US border is south to north, right? And that Canadians can get our opinions into the US without physically going there, right?

[Jess from VA]

Years ago, I got about 30 days off from a G shutdown.

(Most of) our outfit was not essential (USDVA).

I did not get paid, but I have never lived check to check like an idiot and had plenty of money.

We were told to be ready to come back to work the second any budget deal got made, and according to the news (liars) this could happen any minute, so even though I could have loaded up the bike and taken a badly needed vacation and break from my G sweat shop, I dutifully stayed home.  Our micromanaging Machiavellian leadership instilled fear in our workforce (as usual), even when we weren't at work.

When we finally went back to work, Congress gave everyone back pay (as usual).  Even though our workforce was not at fault for the shutdown, I contended loudly at work that we should not be paid, because we had done no work.  I was angrily shouted down, and many would have happily lynched me for my opinion.  I even went so far as to go to HR and asked about refusing my pay and was angrily told that was impossible (as far as they were concerned), but that I could always write the Fed a check if I wanted to.  

Regardless of politics, the huge overstaffed, money wasting Fed does such a poor job at taxpayer expense, the public would probably be well served if the G shut down for a month, two or three times a year (WITH NO BACK PAY), and the money saved used to pay down the deficit.  If Fed employees don't like it, they could always find private employment.

[..]

How soon some forget. Convenient amnesia.

https://www.speaker.gov/general/democrats-make-shutdown-plans

https://hotair.com/archives/2018/01/18/democrats-say-votes-shut-government/

Both sides are f'ing with the voters and it's been going on for years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_shutdowns_in_the_United_States

[carolinarider09]

Years ago, I got about 30 days off from a G shutdown.

(Most of) our outfit was not essential (USDVA).

I did not get paid, but I have never lived check to check like an idiot and had plenty of money.

We were told to be ready to come back to work the second any budget deal got made, and according to the news (liars) this could happen any minute, so even though I could have loaded up the bike and taken a badly needed vacation and break from my G sweat shop, I dutifully stayed home.  Our micromanaging Machiavellian leadership instilled fear in our workforce (as usual), even when we weren't at work.

When we finally went back to work, Congress gave everyone back pay (as usual).  Even though our workforce was not at fault for the shutdown, I contended loudly at work that we should not be paid, because we had done no work.  I was angrily shouted down, and many would have happily lynched me for my opinion.  I even went so far as to go to HR and asked about refusing my pay and was angrily told that was impossible (as far as they were concerned), but that I could always write the Fed a check if I wanted to.  

Regardless of politics, the huge overstaffed, money wasting Fed does such a poor job at taxpayer expense, the public would probably be well served if the G shut down for a month, two or three times a year (WITH NO BACK PAY), and the money saved used to pay down the deficit.  If Fed employees don't like it, they could always find private employment.

Thanks for the first hand information.  We rarely hear this information from the news media.

I always thought that was the general outcome from a "government shutdown".