Indian sale

[rocketray]

I had a patient today pay $21k for new 2018 Roadmaster here in Dallas...he said he was told sales are good to end of year.

[Serk]

BRB, going out to the garage to hug all my existing (paid for) vehicles....

That's substantially more than I've ever paid for any vehicle, cars included... 

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

BRB, going out to the garage to hug all my existing (paid for) vehicles....

That's substantially more than I've ever paid for any vehicle, cars included... 

Add $9,000 to that and that's what I paid for my house years ago. Neighbor down the road has one IMO they don't sound as good as a HD for a two-lunger . I've heard him pushing it pretty hard coming by the house almost sounds weak.

[LTD]

great deal a real bargain for a roadmaster.

[rocketray]

He said sticker was $30k and it weighs 1,300 lbs!!...his wife gave the OK..I hear Hardlys can run $50k--my wife's Chieftain rides a lot better than my Standard and gets tons more looks...especially when she is on it..she has lost a lot of muscle mass the last 4 years and I was thinking of seeing if I could score a Scout for 1/3 off sticker to keep her riding with me..10 more months to wait for Mr. Smiths $2,200 massage in Tulsa--I have the Viking header/jets and Dyna 3,000 on my 57k mile 2002--pre and post dyno runs will be interesting..

[bscrive]

I wouldn't buy one even if it was only $10K.  Pieces of junk.

[Jack B]

I almost bought a Indian Vintage last winter the price was marked down to $16,900. I was ready to pull the trigger on it but at the end they wanted another $1000 for set up and delivery. It was still a good deal but when they didn't mention it until the very end it pissed me off and made me walk away.
I ended up buying a leftover 2015 Valkyrie for less than $10,000 and I know it's a better bike but I love the looks of those Indian's.
During my shopping a lot of dealer's  like to add on the extra fee,some dealers were upfront about the fee and others didn't want to talk about it, I ended up paying $129 total for setup.

[hubcapsc]

I ended up buying a leftover 2015 Valkyrie for less than $10,000 and I know it's a better bike but I love the looks of those Indian's.

I really like the looks of the Indian Springfield. But it would be hard for it
to be as good of a motorcycle as an 1800 Valkyrie...



-Mike

[Gavin_Sons]

I wouldn't buy one even if it was only $10K.  Pieces of junk.

How so?  I have heard nothing but great things about Indians. 

[Rams]

I wouldn't buy one even if it was only $10K.  Pieces of junk.

How so?  I have heard nothing but great things about Indians.  

Listen carefully when they are speaking, I'm thinking they were Cleveland fans.    

Three things keep me off an Indian.  
1: It's a twin.
2: Styling, to me they are fugly.
3: Price versus bikes I really like.

Not much chance one will be garaged at my place unless you buy one and come down for a visit.  
But, if that's what someone wants to ride, fine by me.   I'll ride with just about anyone except Loud and Stupid.   

Rams

[Gavin_Sons]

I wouldn't buy one even if it was only $10K.  Pieces of junk.

How so?  I have heard nothing but great things about Indians.  

Listen carefully when they are speaking, I'm thinking they were Cleveland fans.    

Three things keep me off an Indian.  
1: It's a twin.
2: Styling, to me they are fugly.
3: Price versus bikes I really like.

Not much chance one will be garaged at my place unless you buy one and come down for a visit.  
But, if that's what someone wants to ride, fine by me.   I'll ride with just about anyone except Loud and Stupid.  

Rams

1,2 or 3 you listed does not make them junk as bscrive stated.

[Rams]

I wouldn't buy one even if it was only $10K.  Pieces of junk.

How so?  I have heard nothing but great things about Indians.  

Listen carefully when they are speaking, I'm thinking they were Cleveland fans.    

Three things keep me off an Indian.  
1: It's a twin.
2: Styling, to me they are fugly.
3: Price versus bikes I really like.

Not much chance one will be garaged at my place unless you buy one and come down for a visit.  
But, if that's what someone wants to ride, fine by me.   I'll ride with just about anyone except Loud and Stupid.  

Rams

1,2 or 3 you listed does not make them junk as bscrive stated.

In that, you are correct although, I do consider any V twin to be a lesser machine than our flat sixes.   

Rams

[DIGGER]

Only bad thing about Indians is Somebody said they have a lot of paint problems with rust bubbling thru at couple yrs old .    Dont know if that was just isolated instances or just bad paint

[_Sheffjs_]

To all who are interested in the Indians my question, why not a 1500 Drifter?  Japanese quality, FI, Shaft drive, water cooled, smooth as silk for a v twinky, massively inexpensive, a blast to drive and very customizable. Along with my two Valks I have both a 1500 and 800 Drifter and all four cost about the same as one new high end Indian or HD.   ???

http://s1370.photobucket.com/user/EBeybuzzard/slideshow/Drifter%201999/800%20and%201500%2012-18

[Ken aka Oil Burner]

To all who are interested in the Indians my question, why not a 1500 Drifter?  Japanese quality, FI, Shaft drive, water cooled, smooth as silk for a v twinky, massively inexpensive, a blast to drive and very customizable. Along with my two Valks I have both a 1500 and 800 Drifter and all four cost about the same as one new high end Indian or HD.   ???

http://s1370.photobucket.com/user/EBeybuzzard/slideshow/Drifter%201999/800%20and%201500%2012-18

I like the Drifters, and maybe will end up with one eventually. I used to have a 1500 Mean Streak, and actually wish I still had it. Sadly, garage space wins out over the urge to collect motorcycles that I enjoy riding. I came close to buying a Vulcan 2000 before I found the Valk. I don't buy into the stigma for or against any brand or style of bike. I like what I like.

Oh; and I do like the new Indians (well,some of them). I couldn't justify the price, though. I actually think Polaris should have kept the Victory line, too, but I'm not one of their financial bean counters.

[Alpha Dog]

Just some thoughts.  I do like the Indians, but I like a lot of bikes.

Rockettray - 21K for a new 18 Roadmaster is a great deal.  It is a very comfortable and capable long distance touring bike if one is into this.  I do believe it's weight is closer to 900 lbs, the 1300 may be full capacity.  I have tested a scout.  Very good power and handling and your wife can get it set up to her riding position she likes most.  Needless to say it is much lighter, less than 550 lbs.


Jack B - If you like the vintage, you may love the Springfield.  It handles much better so I have read.


Sheffjs -  That Drifter is intriguing.  Is it fuel injected?


Digger - I think that paint problem was in the first and maybe second year.  They then invested in a better system which they were told to do from the get go.

Joe -  It may be that you neighbor has a stock Indian.  To wake them up a bit one really needs a stage one upgrade.  That probably cost around a thousand dollars like a Victory Cross Country does.  Same goes for the new Harley's.  A sort of friend ( do not really like him ) bought a new street glide this summer and regrets it.  He says it has no soul.  I told him do a stage one and he may think different, but I do not know.  Send your neighbor to Indian of Charlotte, NC.  One of the co-owners now is Lloyd Greer, from Orange County, NY.  He was the guru on Victorys with hotter cams and filters and pipes and tuning of these bikes.  He is now the same with Indians.
https://lloydz.com/

There is another gent in North Florida, High Springs to be exact, named Kevin who owns Southern Motorworx.   I always get 9 to 11 days off between the Holidays.  I have been itching to upgrade my Cross Country for about a year, but most the great tuners of these are far away.  Kevin set up a date for me on Dec. 27.  On the 26th I put my Cross Country in my Hi Roof ( 9 foot high ) new Chevy Express and headed down.  Kevin put in one of Lloydz direct drop in cam, Lloydz hi flow filter, and a maximus dyno tune and 2 new Dunlop Elite 4 tires.  I kept the Victory tri oval pipes which I really like the same.   Man or man a great bike is now a beast.  The freedom 106 does not have as much low end torque as a Harley or Indian push rod engine, instead it pull fiercely through the mid range to rev limiter.  When I hit above 3500 rpm it just blasted away. Kevin said my bike was probably at 80 hp and now the graph he handed me shows 112.45 hp and 112.37 torque.  I would also like to say I am very initially impressed with the Elite 4 tires.  The Cross Countrys are great cornering bikes and these new Elite 4s make it even more impressive.  And Kevin is working his magic with the Indian line now also.  Day after mine he was doing a Chieftain.


Lastly -  I really like NE Florida, High Springs is maybe 25 miles NE of Gainesville, an area I have never been in, only passed by on the I 75 all other times.   The towns are small, the state and country roads are wide and in fabulous condition with little traffic.  It is not commercialized much at all.  Forests are abundant.   I was taken aback by how open it was.  I hope they do keep this area like this, I think they do on purpose.  I was lucky in that we had no rain and 80 degree temps.  Sometimes things just work out.


Joe -

[Jess from VA]

This is the only Indian I ever wanted. (out on the front porch)



But the libs around here would probably burn my racist home down for it.

(even though this is Redskin territory)

[_Sheffjs_]

Sheffjs -  That Drifter is intriguing.  Is it fuel injected?

Yes sir, Fuel Injected and a gas gauge, I know no Valk, but no slouch either!  The 1999 and 2000 came with blacked out bits and bobs and the 2001 - 2005 chrome. I bought mine with 5k original miles, came with three sets of exhaust and all for 5g. I added custom paint job and lots of Balck PC then I had to have an 800. Haven’t had such a low cc bike in-forever and I enjoy the 800 way more than I would have ever thought.  800 is carb and chain.  I like the looks of the new Polaris Indians as well and the Scout but I feel the Kawasaki is a better look - people ask is that a 46 Indian - no, it is a 1999 Kawasaki.  Their expression is classic.  

[Ken Tarver]

I bought my 2017 Indian Chieftain in March of ‘18 in Memphis. Some of the extra fees referred to aren’t always passed along to the buyer depending on the dealer where purchased. I didn’t pay destination nor setup fees. Extra I did pay was an extended warranty, which was my option to do. And then my Mississippi sales tax when got the tag. I knew the msrp for the model, got 3k off that (no trade). After got home, gen mgr/sales guy called and told me that Frank, dealership owner, told him to set me up a $500 svc/parts account. Yes it cost me more than my first house 45 years ago ($14,500) LOL. Hell cant hardly get a decent storage blg for that now!   And have paid a lot more for cars//trucks/bikes. It’s ok with me if you don’t like Indians, I do, and there are number of bikes I don’t like either. I do wish I could have one of each I do like, and they aren’t all Valkyries, I have 2 tourers by the way that I like too! Heck I’ve seen even a very few Valks, Gold Wings (owned 3), Yammys, Zookies, Hardleys I didn’t like either.
Indian Roadmaster weight...920 lbs with full tank, 1385 lbs gvwr (passengers/cargo).
The deal being offered on 2019’s is $2000 off msrp plus another $1000 off if a IMRG member, and possible another $500 for something I can’t remember WITH trade-in.
LOL won’t see Indian trades at Harley shop, will see Harley trades at Indian shop LOL.  

Let’s go ride,
Ken

[Ken Tarver]

Jess, I be liken’ your Indian stylin’.

Wish you and I had one of those.

Ken

[rocketray]

I was lookin' for 100 h.p. with a windscreen for the wife on something she could feel o.k. pullin' up to the off camber gas pump..she did pretty good at the track day w/the Alfa  Romeo Guilia at Cresson...for the ride of ya'lls life-- RIDE SMART--C.O.T.A.--the back straight at 150 mph on a blind gently bending crest is ..well..you just gotta go

[Jess from VA]

Jess, I be liken’ your Indian stylin’.

Wish you and I had one of those.

Ken

Ken, I wasn't really taking a shot at Indian Motorcycles per se, just V-twins in general (and I had a few, and in-line twins too).  And really, I just don't need any other bike with my two Valks, which I don't ride enough as it is.

But life is short and a man ought to have any toys he wants and can afford before it's over.  

I wasn't kidding about a wooden Indian though, I'd love to have one of those.

I could stand him up in my living room window to scare the pedestrians (and bus stop).  

I nearly failed 8th grade shop class, so I won't be making one myself.  (It'd just be a fence post with a smiley face cut on it, and a feather on top)

[Alpha Dog]

This is the only Indian I ever wanted. (out on the front porch)



But the libs around here would probably burn my racist home down for it.

(even though this is Redskin territory)

Is this one from the Huron Nation?

[..]

I nearly bought a Drifter but then I saw a yellow/cream beast at a distance that had a massive, shiny power plant and had to find out just what THAT bike was.

[bscrive]

I wouldn't buy one even if it was only $10K.  Pieces of junk.

How so?  I have heard nothing but great things about Indians. 

My cousin has a 2017 Chieftain and I have rode it a few times.  Power is good for a twin but,

1.  The rear cylinder gets so hot that it will roast your nuts.  I am sure that the engine will fail sometime when it is out of warranty.
2. The stock seat was a real pain in the butt.  Literally.  The seam in the groove of the seat makes it feel like you are sitting on a metal bar.
3. Handling was crap.
4. The exhaust sounded like a VW bug
5. His bike would not start many times because of the security system.  it wouldn't recognize the fob.
6. The front fender is so low that a wheel chock cannot be used if you want to trailer it
7. The video screen would do wonky stuff every once in a while
8. The service for it is total garbage.  He has lots of little issues with it, but the dealer keeps saying that 'that is how they are'
9. Not many dealers around.  Around here we have Toronto, Montreal and Quebec City for dealerships.


I am sure that I could think of a few other things as well if I put my mind to it.  For a $34k machine, I would expect much better.  Maybe it is because I hate twins that i a so biased.

[Jess from VA]

Is this one from the Huron Nation?

I don't know.  

My college sports teams were called the Hurons for many years (but of course that had to change).

It's noteworthy that the majority of States are named using some phonetic version of Indian Native American language for their region, but they haven't got around to changing all those States names, yet.

http://www.native-languages.org/state-names.htm

[Oss]

One of my first clients bought a red 800 drifter, put the indian-head and other farkles on the fender and wherever. Most people cant tell the difference as the bike is 15 yrs old  Has a kick ass stereo playing 50;s music  all the time.   I can hear him either ahead or behind me lol

He rides the piss out of that bike daily from Bronx to downtown  as its his commuter.
Kawasaki  IMHO makes a good reliable machine. My 750 Vulcan never gave me a lick of trouble.

I have known this man so long that Judge Judy was sitting on his family court case back in 1984 or so
 (we won)

I have ridden several of the Indians made since 2016.  Prefer the model with soft bags over the heavy road master

[Alpha Dog]

Is this one from the Huron Nation?

I don't know.  

My college sports teams were called the Hurons for many years (but of course that had to change).

It's noteworthy that the majority of States are named using some phonetic version of Indian Native American language for their region, but they haven't got around to changing all those States names, yet.

http://www.native-languages.org/state-names.htm

To the north in Mt. Pleasant CMU is still proudly called the Chippewas.  EMU should have never caved.

[hubcapsc]

I have ridden several of the Indians made since 2016.  Prefer the model with soft bags over the heavy road master

I like the Springfield. I think there's two different frames for Indians (the big ones) and that
the Springfield and Chieftain are "the same" and the Dark Horse, Chief and Vintage are (were?)
"the same"...



-Mike "hard bags and a windshield - no fairing"

[Jess from VA]

Is this one from the Huron Nation?

I don't know.  

My college sports teams were called the Hurons for many years (but of course that had to change).

It's noteworthy that the majority of States are named using some phonetic version of Indian Native American language for their region, but they haven't got around to changing all those States names, yet.

http://www.native-languages.org/state-names.htm

To the north in Mt. Pleasant CMU is still proudly called the Chippewas.  EMU should have never caved.

Indeed.  And they chose the Eagles......... boy what a unique name that is.   

[Willow]

...
It's noteworthy that the majority of States are named using some phonetic version of Indian Native American language for their region, but they haven't got around to changing all those States names, yet.
...

Interestingly enough most Indians dislike the term, native Americans, preferring to be called Indian or their specific tribal name.

[Ken Tarver]

RE: Indian rear cyl heat - yeah it’s hot for sure in the summer, other seasons not so much.
I had the cat removed cpl months ago, dropped 40-50 degrees. Also going to get pipes ceramic coated inside and outside. Replaced rear turn signals today to run/turn/brake...Radiantz lights w/Badboy module. Awesome upgrade for rear lighting, very pleased.

Whoop whoooop, 
Ken

[Black Pearl's Captain]

My buddy bought what I think is a decent bagger 2 months back. BMW K1600B has a factory retail prices of $19.995. He got a better deal than that and they also threw in the $1,000 GPS and all service free while under warranty.

I rode it and the 160 HP beats the Indian 115 hp pretty good. We made 3 trips already and he's got over 8,000 miles on it already. He says it's the best highway bike he's ever had and he has 4 other BMW's in his garage.

That roadmaster looks like someone threw in an extra foot of space under the seat for nothing....YMMV

[Fazer]

Read in a recent Rider magazine that Indian has a way to shut down the rear cylinder when idling to help with the heat issue.  Doesn't matter to me, I am happy with the Valk.

[Jack B]

Read in a recent Rider magazine that Indian has a way to shut down the rear cylinder when idling to help with the heat issue.  Doesn't matter to me, I am happy with the Valk.

Thats only on the new 2019's

[Ken Tarver]

 And 3 ride modes

[..]

And 3 ride modes

So does the Valkyrie

Start
Go
Stop

 

[Pappy!]

Read in a recent Rider magazine that Indian has a way to shut down the rear cylinder when idling to help with the heat issue.  Doesn't matter to me, I am happy with the Valk.

Thats only on the new 2019's

As if that will make a bit of difference while waiting 3 minutes for a traffic light.
All big V-Twins will roast you while sitting, well maybe a Moto Guzzi wont...... That and the fact that they only have two cylinders is plenty for me to look at alternative rides.... and I have what I want.

[cookiedough]

Read in a recent Rider magazine that Indian has a way to shut down the rear cylinder when idling to help with the heat issue.  Doesn't matter to me, I am happy with the Valk.

Thats only on the new 2019's

As if that will make a bit of difference while waiting 3 minutes for a traffic light.
All big V-Twins will roast you while sitting, well maybe a Moto Guzzi wont...... That and the fact that they only have two cylinders is plenty for me to look at alternative rides.... and I have what I want.

The Kawi Vulcan 2000 is only 2 BIG cylinders and pretty sure they will keep up or outrun or old Valks, well maybe, depending on rider that is.

[Pappy!]

Read in a recent Rider magazine that Indian has a way to shut down the rear cylinder when idling to help with the heat issue.  Doesn't matter to me, I am happy with the Valk.

Thats only on the new 2019's

As if that will make a bit of difference while waiting 3 minutes for a traffic light.
All big V-Twins will roast you while sitting, well maybe a Moto Guzzi wont...... That and the fact that they only have two cylinders is plenty for me to look at alternative rides.... and I have what I want.

The Kawi Vulcan 2000 is only 2 BIG cylinders and pretty sure they will keep up or outrun or old Valks, well maybe, depending on rider that is.

When I first got back into riding after decades away from it my first bike was a Vulcan 1600. Beast of a bike and it would fry you at a stoplight.
Don't care if a 2000 will outrun me. There aren't many around. The VTX 1800 may also but again....they only have 2 cylinders!
Tell you what....anytime you start thinking about a V-Twinkie just walk out and do the nickel trick on your Valk. That should set your mind straight again.