New Zealand mosque shootings

[The emperor has no clothes]

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There is a difference between the 2 words my linguistic friend. Thus, a different sentiment than what you implied.  

Actually not.  I'm sorry you were unable to grasp what was said.  

I grasped your message just fine. Thank you very much. The relevance of proportionality has little effect on the human psyche of multiple events.

[..]

Over 5,000 miles from home and still bickering.

What a life.

[bscrive]

Where are those numbers from?

So 2-3 is a mass shooting?  (the highest number is 6, twice, both Chicago)

Any idea of how many shooters in each report, or if any reported shots fired (injuries or death) were ruled justified, or if any policeman were involved? 

I got the list from https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

[The emperor has no clothes]

Over 5,000 miles from home and still bickering.

What a life.

Thanks for your concern.  I’m pretty happy with my life. . What you consider bickering I consider having a discussion with Willow. (He’s a big boy, I’m sure he can handle it) But Thanks for thinking of me. 

[98valk]

...   Sadly we here have become accustomed to these things.

No, we haven't.  These events are very rare but certainly given much air by the media.  We are certainly  not accustomed to them.  There are about five million people in New Zealand.  By proportion to its people the incidents listed are not any less than has happened in the U S of A.

I don't know if condolence is the right word but you, the people of New Zealand, certainly have our sympathies.

Willow, you must only be talking about mosque shootings, because there has been 42 mass shootings in the US so far this year alone.  Far from being rare.

The first number are injured and second number is killed

March 3, 2019   California   Oakland   316 14th St   4   0   

 But a study of global mass-shooting incidents from 2009 to 2015 by the Crime Prevention Research Center, headed by economist John Lott, shows the U.S. doesn't lead the world in mass shootings. In fact, it doesn't even make the top 10, when measured by death rate per million population from mass public shootings.

So who's tops? Surprisingly, Norway is, with an outlier mass shooting death rate of 1.888 per million (high no doubt because of the rifle assault by political extremist Anders Brevik that claimed 77 lives in 2011). No. 2 is Serbia, at just 0.381, followed by France at 0.347, Macedonia at 0.337, and Albania at 0.206. Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, and Czech Republic all follow. Then comes the U.S., at No. 11, with a death rate of 0.089.

That's not all. There were also 27% more casualties from 2009 to 2015 per mass shooting incident in the European Union than in the U.S.

"There were 16 cases where at least 15 people were killed," the study said. "Out of those cases, four were in the United States, two in Germany, France, and the United Kingdom."

"But the U.S. has a population four times greater than Germany's and five times the U.K.'s, so on a per-capita basis the U.S. ranks low in comparison — actually, those two countries would have had a frequency of attacks 1.96 (Germany) and 2.46 (UK) times higher."

Yes, the U.S. rate is still high, and nothing to be proud of. But it's not the highest in the developed world. Not by a long shot.

Yet, some today propose banning rifles, in particular AR-15s, because they've been used in a number of mass killings. It's important to note however that, according to FBI crime data cited this week by the Daily Caller, deaths by knives in the U.S. outnumber deaths by rifles by five to 1: In 2016, 1,604 people were killed by knives and other cutting instruments, while 374 were killed by rifles.
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/sorry-despite-gun-control-advocates-claims-u-s-isnt-the-worst-country-for-mass-shootings/

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/christian-attacks.aspx
This is a list of targeted acts of terrorism on Christian civilians and church workers by religious Muslims since September 11th, 2001.  These attacks have nothing to do with war, combat or insurgency.  The victims are innocent Christians who were specifically targeted and abused solely on account of their faith by those who claim their own religion as a motive.

long list 2001-2019 go to site to see
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/christian-attacks.aspx

Jihad Report
Mar 02, 2019 -
Mar 08, 2019
Attacks    27
Killed    145
Injured    283
Suicide Blasts    2
Countries    10

Jihad Report
February, 2019
Attacks    150
Killed    883
Injured    547
Suicide Blasts    10
Countries    22

[Psychotic Bovine]

So many people concentrate on the method of killing, not the actual killing.
If you google top 5 mass murders in the US, it will give you a list of shootings and only shootings in the first page of results.
When in truth, 4 of the top 5 mass murders are not even shootings.
So, apparently, only death by firearm is considered murder.  All other murders have lesser (political) value.  We in the pro-freedom count call that "dancing in the blood of the victims".  And those anti-gunners are putting on their dancing shoes again.

Here is the top 5 in order of total deaths:
New York City:  9/11 (aircraft)
Oklahoma City:  Murrah Federal Building (ANFO)
New York City:  Happyland arson. (1 gallon of gasoline)
Bath, Michigan:  Bath Schoolhouse bombing. (dynamite)
Las Vegas, NV:  Las Vegas shooting. (firearm)


The world doesn't have a gun problem, we have a dark heart problem.

[Leathel]

Over 5,000 miles from home and still bickering.

What a life.

plenty sitting on there chairs at home bickering too

Politics and political threads have divided this forum so much in the last year or so...... this is the only forum I am on that allows politics on it for that reason..... People that used to post quite a bit have gone quite as its just not worth reading all the debates result in how people take what has been said, often well out of the context it was meant


We have had 7 mass shooting (2 and above) in the last 60 years and that still too much....I don't think anyone is saying its common so its ok...

[Oss]

Bovine, you are correct

It is a dark heart problem

The world has descended into such a state that people are
willing to kill innocents while worshiping their Lord, while
trying to be born, while just going about their day to day lives.

We need a movement on both, on all sides, that says all life is important but that can not happen while one religion, way of life teaches it is good to kill those who do not worship their version of Allah and pay the families of those who blow themselves up, and the other side has members who hate those people just for being alive

I have no answers, just prayers for the children of our world and the thought that those who spew hate such as mullahs and skinheads and kkk'ers (not our skinhead) should have to themselves do mortal combat with the head of their enemy and leave the masses alone

Today 11 rockets fired at Tel Aviv from Gaza, crickets from the media.

The portion of Haftorah read today was about how Saul was dethroned by Samuel (the prophet) because he failed to circumscribe (kill) all the Amelekites at the order of the Lord.  He allowed the Kenites to leave and did not kill the best animals but gave them to his troops. It is said that because of this failing David became king and that the descendents of Agog became the deranged Haman of Purim, Hitler and other despots of present day.  In those days, there was no genocide if the Lord ordered it. And it was ordered on Amelek who killed all stragglers in the desert. (lived where the Phillistines lived- now Gaza) Today there are those who call for it who are not the Lord.  Not a lot has changed in 3000 years has it  And Gaza is still a pox on peace,
 Sorry for the long post

[98valk]

Bovine, you are correct

It is a dark heart problem

The world has descended into such a state that people are
willing to kill innocents while worshiping their Lord, while
trying to be born, while just going about their day to day lives.

We need a movement on both, on all sides, that says all life is important but that can not happen while one religion, way of life teaches it is good to kill those who do not worship their version of Allah and pay the families of those who blow themselves up, and the other side has members who hate those people just for being alive

I have no answers, just prayers for the children of our world and the thought that those who spew hate such as mullahs and skinheads and kkk'ers (not our skinhead) should have to themselves do mortal combat with the head of their enemy and leave the masses alone

Today 11 rockets fired at Tel Aviv from Gaza, crickets from the media.

The portion of Haftorah read today was about how Saul was dethroned by Samuel (the prophet) because he failed to circumscribe (kill) all the Amelekites at the order of the Lord.  He allowed the Kenites to leave and did not kill the best animals but gave them to his troops. It is said that because of this failing David became king and that the descendents of Agog became the deranged Haman of Purim, Hitler and other despots of present day.  In those days, there was no genocide if the Lord ordered it. And it was ordered on Amelek who killed all stragglers in the desert. (lived where the Phillistines lived- now Gaza) Today there are those who call for it who are not the Lord.  Not a lot has changed in 3000 years has it  And Gaza is still a pox on peace,
 Sorry for the long post

very dark demonic hearts

Senator Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), the optics are nauseating. Here he is, arguing that America “must stop killing kittens,” when, three weeks ago, he stood in the U.S. Capitol and agreed with 43 Democrats that human beings should be put down.
Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-Calif.) chamber is pushing a bill that would force a country who overwhelmingly opposes late-term abortion to bankroll it – along with abortions in any trimester. Rep. Diane DeGette (D-Colo.), another liberal who can’t seem to take taxpayers’ “No!” for an answer, is trying to overturn the Hyde amendment.
https://www.lifenews.com/2019/03/15/democrats-demand-right-to-life-for-kittens-but-block-bills-to-stop-infanticide/

[bscrive]

So many people concentrate on the method of killing, not the actual killing.
If you google top 5 mass murders in the US, it will give you a list of shootings and only shootings in the first page of results.
When in truth, 4 of the top 5 mass murders are not even shootings.
So, apparently, only death by firearm is considered murder.  All other murders have lesser (political) value.  We in the pro-freedom count call that "dancing in the blood of the victims".  And those anti-gunners are putting on their dancing shoes again.

Here is the top 5 in order of total deaths:
New York City:  9/11 (aircraft)
Oklahoma City:  Murrah Federal Building (ANFO)
New York City:  Happyland arson. (1 gallon of gasoline)
Bath, Michigan:  Bath Schoolhouse bombing. (dynamite)
Las Vegas, NV:  Las Vegas shooting. (firearm)


The world doesn't have a gun problem, we have a dark heart problem.

I couldn't have said it any better.

[Alberta Patriot]

The thing is, we don't get a lot of New Zealand news.  But I have not read any accounts of bad things happening in New Zealand like in Paris, London or other places, by bad Muslims.  I can't recall reading anything at all like that from NZ.  

New Zealand is basically not accessible for or subject to mass forced (EU mandated) quota immigration(invasion) like Europe. Invasion?...Yes invasion...because large scale immigration without hope of assimilation is essentially invasion by a culture that refuses to abide by the laws, constitution and morals of the host country.
The sheer landed numbers in Europe has emboldened the Muslim Population to live by their own (Sharia) laws which run contrary to how we think as a western civilization with freedom of opinion, freedom of speech and thought.

A Canadian example of "Sharia" justice on three teenage girls and their natural mother:
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/shafia-parents-and-son-convicted-in-honour-killing-of-four-family-members-seek-new-trial

The Montrealer was convicted for the 2009 murders of his three daughters and first wife in a barbaric “honour killing” in which the women were incapacitated and dumped into the Rideau Canal near Kingston. In Shafia’s twisted interpretation of Islam, his daughters were too Western, had brought shame upon the family and therefore had to die.

[Leathel]

The thing is, we don't get a lot of New Zealand news.  But I have not read any accounts of bad things happening in New Zealand like in Paris, London or other places, by bad Muslims.  I can't recall reading anything at all like that from NZ.  

New Zealand is basically not accessible for or subject to mass forced (EU mandated) quota immigration(invasion) like Europe. Invasion?...Yes invasion...because large scale immigration without hope of assimilation is essentially invasion by a culture that refuses to abide by the laws, constitution and morals of the host country.
The sheer landed numbers in Europe has emboldened the Muslim Population to live by their own (Sharia) laws which run contrary to how we think as a western civilization with freedom of opinion, freedom of speech and thought.

A Canadian example of "Sharia" justice on three teenage girls and their natural mother:
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/shafia-parents-and-son-convicted-in-honour-killing-of-four-family-members-seek-new-trial

The Montrealer was convicted for the 2009 murders of his three daughters and first wife in a barbaric “honour killing” in which the women were incapacitated and dumped into the Rideau Canal near Kingston. In Shafia’s twisted interpretation of Islam, his daughters were too Western, had brought shame upon the family and therefore had to die.

you are right in that we are not mandated by others to take refugees, but we voluntarily take about 1000+ refugees a year and 45-80,000 immigrants per year which is a fair amount per population. That has put pressure on housing numbers so pushes the price up a bit making it harder for first time buyers but that has been the biggest downside for us

[98valk]

The thing is, we don't get a lot of New Zealand news.  But I have not read any accounts of bad things happening in New Zealand like in Paris, London or other places, by bad Muslims.  I can't recall reading anything at all like that from NZ.  

New Zealand is basically not accessible for or subject to mass forced (EU mandated) quota immigration(invasion) like Europe. Invasion?...Yes invasion...because large scale immigration without hope of assimilation is essentially invasion by a culture that refuses to abide by the laws, constitution and morals of the host country.
The sheer landed numbers in Europe has emboldened the Muslim Population to live by their own (Sharia) laws which run contrary to how we think as a western civilization with freedom of opinion, freedom of speech and thought.

A Canadian example of "Sharia" justice on three teenage girls and their natural mother:
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/shafia-parents-and-son-convicted-in-honour-killing-of-four-family-members-seek-new-trial

The Montrealer was convicted for the 2009 murders of his three daughters and first wife in a barbaric “honour killing” in which the women were incapacitated and dumped into the Rideau Canal near Kingston. In Shafia’s twisted interpretation of Islam, his daughters were too Western, had brought shame upon the family and therefore had to die.

isn't interesting that centuries ago the muslim invaded europe and almost had complete control until the crusades started and removed them. now the smart leaders bring them in to conquer and control all.