A Texan's Answer to Welfare (via email)

[Lonerbtw]

 Take the lifts off the truck and let it do what it was ment to do(work) pull the gun out of the rack and sell it, get the car off the ground so it can at least do the speed limit , turn the damm music down so you can at least hear the sirene of the vehicle thats about to hit you. Now have I about affended every race? I like his plan because I am really tired of seeing these people buying things with my money that I can not afford. Driving there late model cars and trucks to the food giveaway but I do not quailfy becouse I have a job so I can pay my taxes so thay can live there life stile. I just hope that America wakes up before its too late. I should not have jumped in on this cause now I am all worked up and have to leave and take my meds.
Later Lonerbtw

[PAVALKER]

I just came from a Car Cruise this evening, and most of those type of cars were hosted by young white men.  I honestly do not think this was aimed at any ethnic group (just the freeloaders in general) and it was interesting that you picked the ethnic group you did.  I would have thought with the "beans and rice" comment that you might have said Hispanics and Asians or something like that..... but it shows where your train of thought is aimed.

I will ask you the same question:  Are young, white teenagers generally associated with welfare fraud, public housing, and large rims with low profile tires?  If not, then why include this in the list of things denied welfare recipients?

I think "young white men" can and are associated with some of the things you mention.  From my older  perspective, I see a lot of the younger adults (regardless of color) as somewhat lazy and freeloaders (from their parents or society)... more concerned with video games and their rides.   I have a female friend that managed a Section 8 Housing complex, and I would occasionally stop in to visit her..... and saw/discussed things with her that would shock most others (about that program and similar handouts).  I was also amazed to see a broad group of  people housed (most for free) and paid even more for living in those (nice comfortable and sometimes furnished units), and quite a few were foreigners (Russians/Swedes etc.... but there were blacks, white and hispanics as well).   The stories she would relate to me made my blood boil at times....., and it wasn't a racial thing.... just the environment of people living off the Government tit, and teaching their young ones in the same manner. 

And I still don't perceive the OP's comments as focused on one specific ethnic group.....

[Trynt]

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The OP named several things, that by themselves, are vague, but when accumulated become more focused.  Welfare cheats, out of wedlock births, public housing, and big rims.  What do these descriptions mean to you in the aggregate? 
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Thirty-nine percent of welfare recipients are white , 37% are black, 18 % are hispanic.  Forty-one percent of all births in the US are to unwed mothers. Blacks make up only 25-37% of those in public housing. And my (white as a snow flake) son had 22" rims on his Chevy Avalanche.

[bscrive]

Up here in Ontario, a while back, the Mike Harris gov't tried something similar to this.  It was called Workfare.  You had to work a number of hours each week to get your welfare cheque.  It sounded like a good idea but when it was implemented the recipients and the welfare lobby groups went ballistic.  It did not last long.

[ValhallaIamComing]

I have actually observed black people eating fried chicken. So by your logic, if I read an anecdote about someone eating fried chicken, would it be reasonable to assume the author was depicting black people?

Only if it included the addition of eating watermelon, and named Leroy...  A singular description is vague, but when combined with other stereotypical descriptions, it becomes clear.

I am by no means endorsing these stereotypes, but I realize they exist.

And you ASSUMED they were being used...you have ZERO facts to back up your assumption other than there's alot of that on "the northside " and I can assume,( with just as much justification as you have given here ) that you think it's the ghetto part of town

Bobbo is correct about Northside STL... STL is about as segregated as a city gets these days and there are places on the Northside a white person simply has no business going!

[ValhallaIamComing]

...will never happen because the government is way too liberal, political correct and elected officials are more worried about their @$$ then doing the right thing, but it was a fun post, and very true.

If this is a result of Liberal government, why wasn't it taken care of when Conservatives controlled the White House and Congress?

Because liberal or conservative, taking a position that we should scale back handouts to "the poor" is political suicide.  Obama is facing that dilemma now in the whole deficit/debt ceiling debate on Capitol Hill!  Traditionally, politicians can keep bumping up social benefits, but once they do the masses of fine Americans start to see them as "entitlements" and woe be unto anyone who dares propose they ever be scaled back!  The OP recommended a solution to this... take away voting rights for those on public assistance.  Will never happen, but it IS a solution!  Of course, a certain party would never get elected into power again if handout voters could no longer vote...

[Jeff K]

The OP named several things, that by themselves, are vague, but when accumulated become more focused.  Welfare cheats, out of wedlock births, public housing, and big rims.  What do these descriptions mean to you in the aggregate? 
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Thirty-nine percent of welfare recipients are white , 37% are black, 18 % are hispanic.  Forty-one percent of all births in the US are to unwed mothers. Blacks make up only 25-37% of those in public housing. And my (white as a snow flake) son had 22" rims on his Chevy Avalanche.
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I have 20's on my truck... Does that make me half black? 

[Jeff K]

I really like the rice and beans idea. Why not? The solution to hunger is food.
My son has friends on assistance. He sends me pictures from their house during their "government bbq" yes, that what they call it. They have pool parties and all of the food comes from the government. They are not married, because if they were her assistance would be cut. She lies and says she lives alone with the kids. And they both smoke dope, lots of it, they do have enough money for that. I asked my son why he would hang around with them? He said they are fun to party with. He has a crappy job and scrapes to get by, so it's a nice change to go party with them. 

[CajunRider]

Bobbo,

I wasn't saying teens are on the welfare system, I'm just saying that "stereotypes" are not the same anymore.  When I see "bling bling" rims with "boom boom" stereos, I don't think "black"... I think Teenager. 

And my (white as a snow flake) son had 22" rims on his Chevy Avalanche.

This is one example of that.  (I don't mean to degrade your son Trynt... I have no issues with what he considers cool or stylish.  I've spent just as much money on my bikes.)

Basically, I'm just saying that stereotyping has gone crazy.  I recently saw a country singer on the country music channel hopping around on stage with a backwards baseball cap... and "booty" dancers in spandex "shakin it" all around him.  I though country was cowboy hats, cowboy boots, big belt buckles??? 

[RoadKill]

I have actually observed black people eating fried chicken. So by your logic, if I read an anecdote about someone eating fried chicken, would it be reasonable to assume the author was depicting black people?

Only if it included the addition of eating watermelon, and named Leroy...  A singular description is vague, but when combined with other stereotypical descriptions, it becomes clear.

I am by no means endorsing these stereotypes, but I realize they exist.

And you ASSUMED they were being used...you have ZERO facts to back up your assumption other than there's alot of that on "the northside " and I can assume,( with just as much justification as you have given here ) that you think it's the ghetto part of town

The OP named several things, that by themselves, are vague, but when accumulated become more focused.  Welfare cheats, out of wedlock births, public housing, and big rims.  What do these descriptions mean to you in the aggregate? 

'Round here we call that WHITE TRASH ! It's amazing what a small methamphetamine operation can do for the neighborhood !

[TheSpadMan]

Hey bscrive,

We tried that here in the U.S. Too !! Work with an employer at welfare pay, so many months. Then work at 50/50 split in pay, so many months. Then completly off the Gubment DOLE if the employer hired them full time. Was working until the aclu stepped in. THANK YOU aclu !!!! We are not allowed to force(volunteer) people to work for a paycheck. We are not allowed to let people feel better about themselves by EARNING their way. So, They get to stay on the Gubment DOLE.

Again THANK YOU aclu !!

Bill

[musclehead]

...will never happen because the government is way too liberal, political correct and elected officials are more worried about their @$$ then doing the right thing, but it was a fun post, and very true.

If this is a result of Liberal government, why wasn't it taken care of when Conservatives controlled the White House and Congress?

you know why, they would have been labeled as racists and heartless and sexist and any other 'ist' you can think of

[Bobbo]

I have 20's on my truck... Does that make me half black? 

Sorry, no.  They have to be 22's   

[Bobbo]

Bobbo,

I wasn't saying teens are on the welfare system, I'm just saying that "stereotypes" are not the same anymore.  When I see "bling bling" rims with "boom boom" stereos, I don't think "black"... I think Teenager. 

And my (white as a snow flake) son had 22" rims on his Chevy Avalanche.

This is one example of that.  (I don't mean to degrade your son Trynt... I have no issues with what he considers cool or stylish.  I've spent just as much money on my bikes.)

Basically, I'm just saying that stereotyping has gone crazy.  I recently saw a country singer on the country music channel hopping around on stage with a backwards baseball cap... and "booty" dancers in spandex "shakin it" all around him.  I though country was cowboy hats, cowboy boots, big belt buckles??? 

You're correct that stereotypes become obsolete quickly, but still, they persist.  There are probably thousands of white people named Leroy who love to eat fried chicken and watermelon, but if you used these descriptions, more would think you are talking about a non-white person.  The OP is no exception.  Many of the suggested restrictions fit well established stereotypes, no matter that they don't apply.

[Bobbo]

Hey bscrive,

We tried that here in the U.S. Too !! Work with an employer at welfare pay, so many months. Then work at 50/50 split in pay, so many months. Then completly off the Gubment DOLE if the employer hired them full time. Was working until the aclu stepped in. THANK YOU aclu !!!! We are not allowed to force(volunteer) people to work for a paycheck. We are not allowed to let people feel better about themselves by EARNING their way. So, They get to stay on the Gubment DOLE.

Again THANK YOU aclu !!

Bill

The welfare to work program in MO was a total flop and cost the state more money that it saved.  Two contract electronic assembly companies I used hired these people.  The work was sloppy and wasteful, because they knew they only had to work for 3 month before becoming eligible to go back on full public assistance.  After three months, they would do something to get "laid off", and go back to free money.  While they were working, they got free or subsidized child care and other benefits.  The state paid 60% of their wage back to the company, which is the only reason they hired them...  Cheap labor.  I got poor quality and the extra expense of rework and service calls.  Thank you ACLU for helping to end this ill conceived program!   

[Jeff K]

Hey bscrive,

We tried that here in the U.S. Too !! Work with an employer at welfare pay, so many months. Then work at 50/50 split in pay, so many months. Then completly off the Gubment DOLE if the employer hired them full time. Was working until the aclu stepped in. THANK YOU aclu !!!! We are not allowed to force(volunteer) people to work for a paycheck. We are not allowed to let people feel better about themselves by EARNING their way. So, They get to stay on the Gubment DOLE.

Again THANK YOU aclu !!

Bill

The welfare to work program in MO was a total flop and cost the state more money that it saved.  Two contract electronic assembly companies I used hired these people.  The work was sloppy and wasteful, because they knew they only had to work for 3 month before becoming eligible to go back on full public assistance.  After three months, they would do something to get "laid off", and go back to free money.  While they were working, they got free or subsidized child care and other benefits.  The state paid 60% of their wage back to the company, which is the only reason they hired them...  Cheap labor.  I got poor quality and the extra expense of rework and service calls.  Thank you ACLU for helping to end this ill conceived program!   

So the solution is to just let them sit at home and collect money, because it's cheaper?

Maybe we should do a program like we do at work for people that get injured and can't do their regular job. Make them come to "work" and if there is nothing for them to do... they sit and do nothing all day. It's amazing how fast people heal when they aren't sitting on their couch.   

[Lyn-Del]

So the solution is to just let them sit at home and collect money, because it's cheaper?

Maybe we should do a program like we do at work for people that get injured and can't do their regular job. Make them come to "work" and if there is nothing for them to do... they sit and do nothing all day. It's amazing how fast people heal when they aren't sitting on their couch.   

Works for me!  I have friends who amaze me -- one minute the car is repoed for lack of ability to make the payments, the next they're sporting new tattoos, new tvs, whatever. 

I don't understand it ......... but it seems like the lower the income, the more likely the person will smoke and complain about not having the money for essentials - yet can come up with the astronomical costs of a pack or carton of cigarettes.  I quit smoking before cigarettes hit $1 a pack, so I don't have any point of reference, I guess.

[Bobbo]

So the solution is to just let them sit at home and collect money, because it's cheaper?

Since you are asking me to find the lesser of two evils, then yes, the cheaper solution is less worse.  Some people will be lazy no matter what.  Barring a better solution, it is better to pay them to sit on their a$$ than mess up someone's business.

[big d]

then how about taking away their gravy train/ our tax dollar that goes to them lazy a$$'s.they can get off their buts and go to work just like the rest of us tax paying americans.this is suposed to be the land of the free not the land of the free loaders....

[RoadKill]

So the solution is to just let them sit at home and collect money, because it's cheaper?

Since you are asking me to find the lesser of two evils, then yes, the cheaper solution is less worse.  Some people will be lazy no matter what.  Barring a better solution, it is better to pay them to sit on their a$$ than mess up someone's business.

How about not paying them and letting them starve ? Then they will either get off their ass or become anther gun statistic when they try to take from the wrong person !   

[Bobbo]

then how about taking away their gravy train/ our tax dollar that goes to them lazy a$$'s.they can get off their buts and go to work just like the rest of us tax paying americans.this is suposed to be the land of the free not the land of the free loaders....

What substantial greater cost would you be willing to spend to police and discriminate who deserves public assistance, and who is a freeloader?  This would be an ongoing expense, not a one time deal.  How much are you willing to raise taxes to support this extra layer of bureaucracy?

I'm not suggesting that I agree with the current public assistance programs, but they are there.  Until we have an actual reform of the system, adding more complexity to the current one isn't helpful.

[RoadKill]

then how about taking away their gravy train/ our tax dollar that goes to them lazy a$$'s.they can get off their buts and go to work just like the rest of us tax paying americans.this is suposed to be the land of the free not the land of the free loaders....

What substantial greater cost would you be willing to spend to police and discriminate who deserves public assistance, and who is a freeloader?  This would be an ongoing expense, not a one time deal.  How much are you willing to raise taxes to support this extra layer of bureaucracy?

I'm not suggesting that I agree with the current public assistance programs, but they are there.  Until we have an actual reform of the system, adding more complexity to the current one isn't helpful.

MORE COMPLEXITY ? ? Did you read the OP?  It was 'put up or shut up' How complex is that? NO FREE LUNCH ! ! !   

[Bobbo]

So the solution is to just let them sit at home and collect money, because it's cheaper?

Since you are asking me to find the lesser of two evils, then yes, the cheaper solution is less worse.  Some people will be lazy no matter what.  Barring a better solution, it is better to pay them to sit on their a$$ than mess up someone's business.

How about not paying them and letting them starve ? Then they will either get off their ass or become anther gun statistic when they try to take from the wrong person !   

You are assuming all people on assistance are able-bodied, lazy freeloaders.  What do you do with the ones not fitting this stereotype?

[RoadKill]

So the solution is to just let them sit at home and collect money, because it's cheaper?

Since you are asking me to find the lesser of two evils, then yes, the cheaper solution is less worse.  Some people will be lazy no matter what.  Barring a better solution, it is better to pay them to sit on their a$$ than mess up someone's business.

How about not paying them and letting them starve ? Then they will either get off their ass or become anther gun statistic when they try to take from the wrong person !   

You are assuming all people on assistance are able-bodied, lazy freeloaders.  What do you do with the ones not fitting this stereotype?

They will agree to the original posters rules....or they can pi$$ up a rope !   If they do not fit the stereo type they will be fine and perfectly able to re integrate into society in a short time span. If not..let Darwin do his magic !

[Jeff K]

So the solution is to just let them sit at home and collect money, because it's cheaper?

Since you are asking me to find the lesser of two evils, then yes, the cheaper solution is less worse.  Some people will be lazy no matter what.  Barring a better solution, it is better to pay them to sit on their a$$ than mess up someone's business.

See, now that's where I draw the line. The ugly truth about nature is that the strong and smart are supposed to thrive. A herd of buffalo will circle and put the weak in the middle to protect them. But when push comes to shove the stronger, smarter, faster will survive and the lazy, and weak will not. This keeps the herd in top form, improving by removing the weak.

Our herd is going to hell in a hand basket  because we feel the need to save everyone, even when they don't have the initiative to save themselves.

Yes, it's ugly, and uncaring, but it's true.

[Steve K (IA)]

Found out the op to the newspaper article is a disgruntled retired Army sergeant. How did he get so disgruntled? By reading and listening to the constant attack on social welfare programs. Although race is sprinkled in  but it all boils down to economics, money. These attacks are also a diversion to the real probem, corporate welfare. Big Business wants to control governemt and what they can't control, they want to destroy. Profits over people is their business model. They have already garnered most of the wealth in this country. To them, the american citizen is just a liability. As under funded and compormised as it is, the Government and it's agencies are the only thing between the people of this country  and the giant corporations.

Finally, someone who Truly understands whats happening to this country.   

[Jeff K]

Found out the op to the newspaper article is a disgruntled retired Army sergeant. How did he get so disgruntled? By reading and listening to the constant attack on social welfare programs. Although race is sprinkled in  but it all boils down to economics, money. These attacks are also a diversion to the real probem, corporate welfare. Big Business wants to control governemt and what they can't control, they want to destroy. Profits over people is their business model. They have already garnered most of the wealth in this country. To them, the american citizen is just a liability. As under funded and compormised as it is, the Government and it's agencies are the only thing between the people of this country  and the giant corporations.

Finally, someone who Truly understands whats happening to this country.    

To me it just looks like a cut and paste from any one of the hundreds of hate filled, paranoid, posts you'd find on the Huffington Post.  The only thing it was missing was a "tax the rich" slogan.

[big d]

the problem boils down to the fact that all of the social programs that were designed by the government are suposed to do one thing. make it a level playing field for everyone. problem is no matter how hard you try to level the playing field it will eventually tip again. if someone does not want to work they will never do it. for those that cant i am not apposed to helping them out. but for the other 95%, get out there and get a job. there is no personal responsability any more. the social programs are a big part of the problem in this country. the other big problem is illegal immigrants. they are soaking off the system much more than most people realize.i live in a farming area. illegals get paid, get healthcare for free along with medicine. americans working alongside them have to wait till after the illegals are seen by the doctors and have to pay for their visit plus their medicine. and they should not be here... period....

[Jeff K]

We should just outlaw rich people! and any companies that  make a profit should be taxed out of existence, and if they move their company out of the us to avoid the tax we should  double tax them!!

I say we tax all companies out of existence!!! Just who do they think they are!!!!

[ValhallaIamComing]

Hey bscrive,

We tried that here in the U.S. Too !! Work with an employer at welfare pay, so many months. Then work at 50/50 split in pay, so many months. Then completly off the Gubment DOLE if the employer hired them full time. Was working until the aclu stepped in. THANK YOU aclu !!!! We are not allowed to force(volunteer) people to work for a paycheck. We are not allowed to let people feel better about themselves by EARNING their way. So, They get to stay on the Gubment DOLE.

Again THANK YOU aclu !!

Bill

The welfare to work program in MO was a total flop and cost the state more money that it saved.  Two contract electronic assembly companies I used hired these people.  The work was sloppy and wasteful, because they knew they only had to work for 3 month before becoming eligible to go back on full public assistance.  After three months, they would do something to get "laid off", and go back to free money.  While they were working, they got free or subsidized child care and other benefits.  The state paid 60% of their wage back to the company, which is the only reason they hired them...  Cheap labor.  I got poor quality and the extra expense of rework and service calls.  Thank you ACLU for helping to end this ill conceived program!   

What was ill-conceived about that program was having them work to produce something.  The work in this program should not be based on making a product because of course they are going to do a half-ass poor quality job because they would rather sit at home (taxpayer paid for) watch TV and eat the Cheetos they bought with their food stamps!  They need to be working cleaning up the highways, parks, cities etc.  Or working at recycling centers and landfills.  Something that requires hard work and no brains!

[The Anvil]

So the solution is to just let them sit at home and collect money, because it's cheaper?

Since you are asking me to find the lesser of two evils, then yes, the cheaper solution is less worse.  Some people will be lazy no matter what.  Barring a better solution, it is better to pay them to sit on their a$$ than mess up someone's business.

See, now that's where I draw the line. The ugly truth about nature is that the strong and smart are supposed to thrive. A herd of buffalo will circle and put the weak in the middle to protect them. But when push comes to shove the stronger, smarter, faster will survive and the lazy, and weak will not. This keeps the herd in top form, improving by removing the weak.

Our herd is going to hell in a hand basket  because we feel the need to save everyone, even when they don't have the initiative to save themselves.

Yes, it's ugly, and uncaring, but it's true.

It's also fascist. Just sayin.

[RoadKill]

So the solution is to just let them sit at home and collect money, because it's cheaper?

Since you are asking me to find the lesser of two evils, then yes, the cheaper solution is less worse.  Some people will be lazy no matter what.  Barring a better solution, it is better to pay them to sit on their a$$ than mess up someone's business.

See, now that's where I draw the line. The ugly truth about nature is that the strong and smart are supposed to thrive. A herd of buffalo will circle and put the weak in the middle to protect them. But when push comes to shove the stronger, smarter, faster will survive and the lazy, and weak will not. This keeps the herd in top form, improving by removing the weak.

Our herd is going to hell in a hand basket  because we feel the need to save everyone, even when they don't have the initiative to save themselves.

Yes, it's ugly, and uncaring, but it's true.

It's also fascist. Just sayin.

That is why we  killed the Buffalo off to near extinction...because of their fascist ways !  Damn dirty fascist critters !!   

[The Anvil]

That is why we  killed the Buffalo off to near extinction...because of their fascist ways !  Damn dirty fascist critters !!   

Nazi buffalo!!! 

[Serk]

So the solution is to just let them sit at home and collect money, because it's cheaper?

Since you are asking me to find the lesser of two evils, then yes, the cheaper solution is less worse.  Some people will be lazy no matter what.  Barring a better solution, it is better to pay them to sit on their a$$ than mess up someone's business.

See, now that's where I draw the line. The ugly truth about nature is that the strong and smart are supposed to thrive. A herd of buffalo will circle and put the weak in the middle to protect them. But when push comes to shove the stronger, smarter, faster will survive and the lazy, and weak will not. This keeps the herd in top form, improving by removing the weak.

Our herd is going to hell in a hand basket  because we feel the need to save everyone, even when they don't have the initiative to save themselves.

Yes, it's ugly, and uncaring, but it's true.

It's also fascist. Just sayin.

Woot! Godwin's law, you lose the argument! 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

[Bugslayer]

Our tax dollars were hard at work today...... Makes me sick!

[The Anvil]

So the solution is to just let them sit at home and collect money, because it's cheaper?

Since you are asking me to find the lesser of two evils, then yes, the cheaper solution is less worse.  Some people will be lazy no matter what.  Barring a better solution, it is better to pay them to sit on their a$$ than mess up someone's business.

See, now that's where I draw the line. The ugly truth about nature is that the strong and smart are supposed to thrive. A herd of buffalo will circle and put the weak in the middle to protect them. But when push comes to shove the stronger, smarter, faster will survive and the lazy, and weak will not. This keeps the herd in top form, improving by removing the weak.

Our herd is going to hell in a hand basket  because we feel the need to save everyone, even when they don't have the initiative to save themselves.

Yes, it's ugly, and uncaring, but it's true.

It's also fascist. Just sayin.

Woot! Godwin's law, you lose the argument! 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

That don't make it not-true. 

Besides, I said "fascist" not "Hitler" or "nazi". Maybe I was talkin' about Mussolini. What about THAT???

[RoadKill]

That is why we  killed the Buffalo off to near extinction...because of their fascist ways !  Damn dirty fascist critters !!   

Nazi buffalo!!! 

                 ???      ???       ???

[Bobbo]

Woot! Godwin's law, you lose the argument! 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Now, when will we link something to Kevin Bacon?!   

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Degrees_of_Kevin_Bacon

[BIG--T]

This was in the Waco Tribune Herald, Waco , TX Nov 18, 2010

Put me in charge . . .

Put me in charge of food stamps. I'd get rid of Lone Star cards; no cash for
Ding Dongs or Ho Ho's, just money for 50-pound bags of rice and beans,
blocks of cheese and all the powdered milk you can haul away. If you want
steak and frozen pizza, then get a job.

Put me in charge of Medicaid. The first thing I'd do is to get women
Norplant birth control implants or tubal ligations. Then, we'll test
recipients for drugs, alcohol, and nicotine and document all tattoos and
piercings. If you want to reproduce or use drugs, alcohol, smoke or get
tats and piercings, then get a job.

Put me in charge of government housing. Ever live in a military barracks?
You will maintain our property in a clean and good state of repair. Your
"home" will be subject to inspections anytime and possessions will be
inventoried. If you want a plasma TV or Xbox 360, then get a job and your
own place.

In addition, you will either present a check stub from a job each week or
you will report to a "government" job. It may be cleaning the roadways of
trash, painting and repairing public housing, whatever we find for you. We
will sell your 22 inch rims and low profile tires and your blasting stereo
and speakers and put that money toward the "common good."

Before you write that I've violated someone's rights, realize that all of
the above is voluntary. If you want our money, accept our rules.. Before
you say that this would be "demeaning" and ruin their "self esteem,"
consider that it wasn't that long ago that taking someone else's money for
doing absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered self esteem.

If we are expected to pay for other people's mistakes we should at least
attempt to make them learn from their bad choices. The current system
rewards them for continuing to make bad choices.

AND While you are on Gov't subsistence, you no longer can VOTE! Yes that is
correct. For you to vote would be a conflict of interest. You will
voluntarily remove yourself from voting while you are receiving a Gov't
welfare check. If you want to vote, then get a job.
Now, if you have the guts - PASS IT ON...

Wow whoever wrote that needs to be president! He's got my vote!

[Jeff K]

That don't make it not-true.  Wink

Besides, I said "fascist" not "Hitler" or "nazi". Maybe I was talkin' about Mussolini. What about THAT???

Really?

That is why we  killed the Buffalo off to near extinction...because of their fascist ways !  Damn dirty fascist critters !!   

Nazi buffalo!!!