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[BF]

I hate the present two party system!  As a councilman I had to declare being a Republican. A third party wouldn't have stood a chance.  You gotta play the game even though it is against your principles.

I've been around long enough in my 84 years to have survived many presidents.  I've served my country under just one.

IMHO the present POTUS is the WORSE!    He has singlehandedly screwed up this country while the Democratic controlled Senate has let him do it.  If he's reelected, he will have the opportunity to  move the Supreme Court in a direction that we don't want it to go, specifically overturning the intent of the 2nd Amendment and with the Advice and Consent of a like minded Senate.

A no vote or a vote for a better qualified independent candidate is a vote for Obama.  And that is the fact of life whether we like it or not!

Exactly.   Thank you Wayne.  

A vote not cast or a vote that will split the ticket regardless of ones principles, regardless of how much better some other candidate might be...is still a vote for Obama.

If you don't want Obama in the White House any longer, then please don't split the ticket.....and please cast that vote against him.  

People die every day fighting all over this planet for the rights that we have....for the right to vote.  Please don't throw that right and that responsibility away by not voting.  


And as for being debt free and not having anything to worry about because of one's skills and such.......all of that won't do you any good if our dollar has been devalued to the point that it's worthless. 

Four more years of non-stop spending will probabaly do just that.   

[Hef]

well then I'm sure my skills as a tradesman that is in high demand and my savings would carry me through , not to mention the 1 + yrs worth of food staples stored in my basement . anything else ?

Regis, I really hate it when people boast about their own intelligence, abilities, wealth, etc. Let me say I am happy you have such great talents and have done so well financially. However, many who do not fare as well as you seemingly have are not in the position they are in by choice or fault. Beware when you make such arrogant statements. I, as well as many others on this board, can tell you that your life situation can change in a heartbeat and there is usually not one thing you can do to prevent it. For your sake I hope you remain healthy,smart, and wealthy for the rest of your life but I wouldn't count on it.

[f6john]

    The last figure I heard quoted was $1.7 Billion for the two campaigns war chests. How can a 3rd party compete with that? Can anyone who might be the perfect person for the job ever be heard over the roar of that much money?

[Patrick]

Sorry to bump your bottom here, but we do have someone who flew a plane into a building.

We would have to define flew the plane as taxiing the plane on the concourse.

We had a little airport North of town, it had 3 hangers.     2 of the planes were crop dusters and the other one I was going to go get some air time in was a nice Piper.    To this day, I do not know why I turned right into the building that was empty.     All I did was remove part of a wall that held the hanger door and the hanger door.   Cost me a propeller and some sheet metal on the engine and a wing.         I was on probation with my license anyway, so that made my license go by by.    To this day I have never tried to get another pilots license.

This'll change the post a bit,, but,, I'm curious..
So, you turned right and forgot to stop ?? If it cost you a prop,, what about the engine ?? If you had a stoppage, that means the engine has to come apart [ legally anyway].. But, the big question is,, what does probation on a pilots license mean ?? I've never heard of that before..

[solo1]

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[fudgie]

If everyone came together and used there 'wasted' vote for another party then they will have a chance. Instead they use it in the big 2 parties. Whigs and Independents have won in the past. Personally, there is no wasted vote. 

[Detn8er]

If everyone came together and used there 'wasted' vote for another party then they will have a chance. Instead they use it in the big 2 parties. Whigs and Independents have won in the past. Personally, there is no wasted vote. 

Come together? Never happen. No wasted vote....Horseshit. The vote not cast is the wasted vote.

[R J]

Sorry to bump your bottom here, but we do have someone who flew a plane into a building.

We would have to define flew the plane as taxiing the plane on the concourse.

We had a little airport North of town, it had 3 hangers.     2 of the planes were crop dusters and the other one I was going to go get some air time in was a nice Piper.    To this day, I do not know why I turned right into the building that was empty.     All I did was remove part of a wall that held the hanger door and the hanger door.   Cost me a propeller and some sheet metal on the engine and a wing.         I was on probation with my license anyway, so that made my license go by by.    To this day I have never tried to get another pilots license.

This'll change the post a bit,, but,, I'm curious..
So, you turned right and forgot to stop ?? If it cost you a prop,, what about the engine ?? If you had a stoppage, that means the engine has to come apart [ legally anyway].. But, the big question is,, what does probation on a pilots license mean ?? I've never heard of that before..

So, you turned right and forgot to stop.  Brakes on a Piper then were not as good as today.   And if you are under 3/4 throttle when you do that, ain't no one  in my book who can get on the brakes in that short of time.    The tip of one blade was knocked off, so it cost me a prop, the engine never quit.   Probation, I was flying crop dusters at the time.   I buzzed my Grandpa's house and an FAA gent was traveling down the road by the house.      He told me if I ever did a stupid stunt again I was done flying.    Well the hanger door was my 2nd click on an empty chamber.      FAA wasn't as fierce in the late 40's as they are now.

[fudgie]

If everyone came together and used there 'wasted' vote for another party then they will have a chance. Instead they use it in the big 2 parties. Whigs and Independents have won in the past. Personally, there is no wasted vote. 

Come together? Never happen. No wasted vote....Horseshit. The vote not cast is the wasted vote.

Well yea, a no vote is a wasted one.

[Patrick]

OK RJ,, I understand now..  I've had the good fellas at the FAA chew my back side on occasion ..
I didn't mean to change or high-jack this thread..

[Regis]

well then I'm sure my skills as a tradesman that is in high demand and my savings would carry me through , not to mention the 1 + yrs worth of food staples stored in my basement . anything else ?

Regis, I really hate it when people boast about their own intelligence, abilities, wealth, etc. Let me say I am happy you have such great talents and have done so well financially. However, many who do not fare as well as you seemingly have are not in the position they are in by choice or fault. Beware when you make such arrogant statements. I, as well as many others on this board, can tell you that your life situation can change in a heartbeat and there is usually not one thing you can do to prevent it. For your sake I hope you remain healthy,smart, and wealthy for the rest of your life but I wouldn't count on it.

wealth ? I have no wealth! I have a little savings and a job / trade ! Dont get carried away ! I have 3 small children and a wife who spends as consciously as I do ! Our vehicles are 12 yrs old and paid for , our MC's are 15 and 18 yrs old . All I meant to say was that I am responsible with my $ thats all !

[Regis]

As far as arrogance goes listen to the way anyone who dont vote republican gets beat down on here .

[musclehead]

As far as arrogance goes listen to the way anyone who dont vote republican gets beat down on here .

whose beating you down? I'll whip up on'em for ya.     we need discenting voices everywhere, not just here, for a debate to happen there have to be opposing views. maybe you feel a lil' overwhelmed by all the voices?

[Jeff K]

As far as arrogance goes listen to the way anyone who dont vote republican gets beat down on here .

It's kinda like a car tire thread eh?

[TomT]

OK..For starters, There may not be many actual Muslims that read this rag, BUT, there are relatives OF Muslims (By marriage) that do!!  My son married into a wonderful family who, yes they are Muslims, are some of the most loving, caring and professional people that I have ever known. Unfortunately, they back Obummer, as they backed Clinton, stating that he was the "Best president EVER"!! Well, We have had a few lively discussions along this subject, but I am not one to get into discussions about Money, religion, or Politics with family or close friends if I want to stay that way!
Anyway, My point is, not all Muslims are the scum of the earth! I love and respect my new daugther in law as though she was my own.
My Son was raised Catholic and they seem to coexist with no problem. Their first born is due on Christmas day, and my Son Paul, says that he will be the Peace maker between two forces, A christian born on Christmas day, to a Muslim mother!
We are all very excited about the arrival of Kian Thomas Tompkins!!!
Just my 2 cents,
Peace,
Tom T

[shortleg]

   I always thought that God would give us the person we needed when
we needed them.Then we got Carter and thought OK every ounce in
a while you get weak and fooled. I am just sorry that I had to see
it twice in my life time.
             Shortleg[Dave]

[f6john]

   I always thought that God would give us the person we needed when
we needed them.Then we got Carter and thought OK every ounce in
a while you get weak and fooled. I am just sorry that I had to see
it twice in my life time.
             Shortleg[Dave]

Agreed
    I voted for Carter..........The first time!!!!! I didn't need a second term of that, then either.

[Patrick]

CARTER !!??  Nope,, I didn't vote for him.. But a lot of folks I know did.. Everyone is entitled to a mistake or two or three.. Anyone who voted for both Carter and obama  is beyond repair.. 

[Jabba]

The R's and D's keep telling us to pick between the lesser of two evils... that the 3rd guy has no chance... and as long as we keep listening... he doesn't.

The choice is between an express train to ruin, or a bullet train to ruin.  Ya'll are choosing the express train.  I want OFF the cursed train.

Now... on a more realistic train of thought... (See how I did that?)

Romney WILL win Indiana.  He will.  I will bet anyone on here right now a beverage of choice, at whatever our next get together is... that despite my Gary Johnson vote, that Mitt Romney carried Indiana.  Last go around... I thought McCain needed my vote, and I wasted my vote on him.  He needed it, my vote didn't help, and I didn't vote my conscience and compromised, and I still got O'bummer as my POTUS.  Fat lot of good THAT did.  This year... I'll vote for the RIGHT candidate, and Mr. Romney will still win Indiana.  Just sign up here on this thread if you want to accept my bet, and buy me a beverage at our next get together.



Jabba 

[MAD6Gun]

Romney WILL win Indiana.  He will.  I will bet anyone on here right now a beverage of choice, at whatever our next get together is... that despite my Gary Johnson vote, that Mitt Romney carried Indiana.  Last go around... I thought McCain needed my vote, and I wasted my vote on him.  He needed it, my vote didn't help, and I didn't vote my conscience and compromised, and I still got O'bummer as my POTUS.  Fat lot of good THAT did.  This year... I'll vote for the RIGHT candidate, and Mr. Romney will still win Indiana.  Just sign up here on this thread if you want to accept my bet, and buy me a beverage at our next get together.

No bet Jabba. Romney will take Indiana. Last time Obuummer won Indiana. The first time since 1964 a Dem has won IN for pres. What really sucks is Obama only won 17 counties of the 93 Indiana has but he won the right 17 I quess.

[Jabba]

No bet Jabba.

Coward...   

I'll buy you a beverage anyway.   

Jabba

[Varmintmist]

I have decided that I am no longer voting for the lesser of two evils.  And that is ALWAYS our choice.  When we vote for the lesser of two evils, we send the message that we approve of their politics, and frankly, I do not approve of either parties policies, track record, and their cooridinated strangled hold on American politics, and their unwillingness to even allow other parties to even be heard.

Jabba

You vote for one of the 2 major canidates because that is our political system. You are opting out and throwing your support to the side that least agrees with you, not making a statement.
If I were to have even heard of Gary Johnson, what is to say that I may not find him lacking in areas also? That would mean that I would still be voting for a "lesser evil". Thing is, there IS NO CANIDATE that everyone agrees with 100%, ever. If someone does agree with a canidate 100% that person is a syncophant or a fool.
FYI, Romney, because he is the major canidate that most closely agrees with me of the two people who can win.

[Varmintmist]

Boy,, this sure has taken on a life of its own..

I like the idea of a 3 party system,, and,, maybe its time for it.. But,, it ain't here yet so we're stuck with what we have and just have to make the best of it.. I just happen to think that Romney is the best right now..

Amulti party system means that the party that gives away more OPM (other peoples money) will stay in power, until they hang you with piano wire.

[Atl-Jerry]

Like it or not, a vote for Johnson, or any other 3rd party is a wasted vote.  If not for Ross Perot, most folks would have no idea who Bill Clinton was/is.  Even though Perot recieved almost 19M votes, he recieved zero electoral votes.  Next Tuesday, get up, dress up and vote for Romney!

AJ

[fudgie]

The R's and D's keep telling us to pick between the lesser of two evils... that the 3rd guy has no chance... and as long as we keep listening... he doesn't.

The choice is between an express train to ruin, or a bullet train to ruin.  Ya'll are choosing the express train.  I want OFF the cursed train.

Now... on a more realistic train of thought... (See how I did that?)

Romney WILL win Indiana.  He will.  I will bet anyone on here right now a beverage of choice, at whatever our next get together is... that despite my Gary Johnson vote, that Mitt Romney carried Indiana.  Last go around... I thought McCain needed my vote, and I wasted my vote on him.  He needed it, my vote didn't help, and I didn't vote my conscience and compromised, and I still got O'bummer as my POTUS.  Fat lot of good THAT did.  This year... I'll vote for the RIGHT candidate, and Mr. Romney will still win Indiana.  Just sign up here on this thread if you want to accept my bet, and buy me a beverage at our next get together.



Jabba  

Makes sence to me.  

[R J]

Wow mom, what do I do now, I already done voted on an absentee ballot.

I'll just pray like hell the one I voted for gets in office..

[BF]

The R's and D's keep telling us to pick between the lesser of two evils... that the 3rd guy has no chance... and as long as we keep listening... he doesn't.

The choice is between an express train to ruin, or a bullet train to ruin.  Ya'll are choosing the express train.  I want OFF the cursed train.

Now... on a more realistic train of thought... (See how I did that?)

Romney WILL win Indiana.  He will.  I will bet anyone on here right now a beverage of choice, at whatever our next get together is... that despite my Gary Johnson vote, that Mitt Romney carried Indiana.  Last go around... I thought McCain needed my vote, and I wasted my vote on him.  He needed it, my vote didn't help, and I didn't vote my conscience and compromised, and I still got O'bummer as my POTUS.  Fat lot of good THAT did.  This year... I'll vote for the RIGHT candidate, and Mr. Romney will still win Indiana.  Just sign up here on this thread if you want to accept my bet, and buy me a beverage at our next get together.



Jabba  

Makes sence to me.  

It does NOT make sense to me.

In summary, Jabba says that he voted for McCain and his vote didn't count....Obama won.  

So now in this election, he's voting Gary Johnson and says that his vote once again, isn't going to count......Obama might win again.

If one is trying to vote against Obama, just exactly how does that make any sense?  

[Jabba]

Both the R's and D's spend money like proverbial drunken sailors, and as a former drunken sailor, I take offense to that comparison.  I stopped spending money when I ran out of it. 

We need some TRUE fiscal conservatives, and neither the R's nor the D's are that.

Jabba

[Jabba]

It does NOT make sense to me.

In summary, Jabba says that he voted for McCain and his vote didn't count....Obama won.  

So now in this election, he's voting Gary Johnson and says that his vote once again, isn't going to count......Obama might win again.

If one is trying to vote against Obama, just exactly how does that make any sense?  

Romney is going to carry Indiana despite my vote for Gary Johnson.  But every vote Gary Johnson gets, is a vote for a third party candidate that will help erode the strangle hold that the R's and D's have on this nation.  If Gary Johnson gets 10%  of the vote, some of you, "Don't confuse me with the facts", two party people might start to realize that we're only in this 2 party prison because WE refuse to open the door.

Jabba

[BF]

It does NOT make sense to me.

In summary, Jabba says that he voted for McCain and his vote didn't count....Obama won.  

So now in this election, he's voting Gary Johnson and says that his vote once again, isn't going to count......Obama might win again.

If one is trying to vote against Obama, just exactly how does that make any sense?  

Romney is going to carry Indiana despite my vote for Gary Johnson.  But every vote Gary Johnson gets, is a vote for a third party candidate that will help erode the strangle hold that the R's and D's have on this nation.  If Gary Johnson gets 10%  of the vote, some of you, "Don't confuse me with the facts", two party people might start to realize that we're only in this 2 party prison because WE refuse to open the door.

Jabba

Jabba......with all due respect.....and I mean this in the nicest possible way I can  ......you're an idealist....and that's not a bad thing.  

I don't think anyone here is refusing to "open the door" to other options......HOWEVER, the two party system is the system we have.  Work with the system or work to change it.  

But with this election possibly being THE most election in this nations history, now is not the time to be an idealist and cast a protest vote to voice your principles.  

NOW is the time to be realist and vote to stop the distruction of this country by casting the vote most likey to to that.    

[Jabba]

Jabba......with all due respect.....and I mean this in the nicest possible way I can  ......you're an idealist....and that's not a bad thing.  

I don't think anyone here is refusing to "open the door" to other options......HOWEVER, the two party system is the system we have.  Work with the system or work to change it.  

But with this election possibly being THE most election in this nations history, now is not the time to be an idealist and cast a protest vote to voice your principles.  

NOW is the time to be realist and vote to stop the distruction of this country by casting the vote most likey to to that.    

BF, I won't get mad, and I take none of this personally... however, will all due return respect, I still retain the right to disagree.

I am working to change the system.  I am a board member of, and former chair of my county Libertarian party.  I am an Idealist.  I have also heard that "This election is the most important one in our generation" for each of the last 3 or 4 cycles.  If that's true... the next and the next and the next will be as well.  When IS the right time to take a stand against that which is propagating us down the wrong road?  And I don't believe that electing Romney will save is from destruction.  It MIGHT delay the destruction by a year... but he isn't, in MY opinion, a cure for anything.

Again, I will reiterate, that 4 years ago, I thought my vote MIGHT help prevent Obama's election, and help install McCain, which was marginally better, but still WAY too Liberal for ME.  I voted for Mr. McCain.  I tried to help the cause.  This year in Indiana, Romney has a DOUBLE DIGIT lead.  He IS going to win in Indiana, and all a vote for him will do, is Endorse the Republican platform, which I do not.  I do NOT endorse Mitt Romney's politics.  He's too Liberal with spending, and too conservative with his social agenda.  My opinion, I am entitled.  Social issues are much less important to me that fiscal ones.  

I want FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE leadership, and that can't be found in either the R or D camp.  Everything else doesn't matter.  We need Constitutional leaders that are willing to get back to fiscal conservatism, and that is not to be found in either the R or the D camp.

You go ahead and keep voting for the lesser of two evils because THIS year it's the MOST important election in our HISTORY.  after all they ALL are.

If you keep electing them... they are going to keep doing the same old shtuff.  No reason to change...

Jabba

[Willow]

Romney WILL win Indiana.  He will.  I will bet anyone on here right now a beverage of choice, at whatever our next get together is... 

I'll take that bet, Jabba, just for the opportunity to share a beverage with you.

If one wins, I'll buy and we can celebrate that win (hoping it's not just Indiana) with you.  If the other wins you can buy and I'll cry in  my, well you get the idea.

I'll hope to see you in March. 

[Tx Bohemian]

But with this election possibly being THE most election in this nations history, now is not the time to be an idealist and cast a protest vote to voice your principles.  

NOW is the time to be realist and vote to stop the distruction of this country by casting the vote most likey to to that.    

My thoughts also.

We need to boot the current administration out to stop the downward spiral of this great Nation and and get to repairing.

Will R/R be able to do it, your guess is as good as anyones. His track record is way better.
And we know the current guy lacks the leadership, or at least that's the way I see it.

I'm not all that happy with the 2 party system also. But hopefully the next election...

[Chillerman]

Jabba......with all due respect.....and I mean this in the nicest possible way I can  ......you're an idealist....and that's not a bad thing.  

I don't think anyone here is refusing to "open the door" to other options......HOWEVER, the two party system is the system we have.  Work with the system or work to change it.  

But with this election possibly being THE most election in this nations history, now is not the time to be an idealist and cast a protest vote to voice your principles.  

NOW is the time to be realist and vote to stop the distruction of this country by casting the vote most likey to to that.    

BF, I won't get mad, and I take none of this personally... however, will all due return respect, I still retain the right to disagree.

I am working to change the system.  I am a board member of, and former chair of my county Libertarian party.  I am an Idealist.  I have also heard that "This election is the most important one in our generation" for each of the last 3 or 4 cycles.  If that's true... the next and the next and the next will be as well.  When IS the right time to take a stand against that which is propagating us down the wrong road?  And I don't believe that electing Romney will save is from destruction.  It MIGHT delay the destruction by a year... but he isn't, in MY opinion, a cure for anything.

Again, I will reiterate, that 4 years ago, I thought my vote MIGHT help prevent Obama's election, and help install McCain, which was marginally better, but still WAY too Liberal for ME.  I voted for Mr. McCain.  I tried to help the cause.  This year in Indiana, Romney has a DOUBLE DIGIT lead.  He IS going to win in Indiana, and all a vote for him will do, is Endorse the Republican platform, which I do not.  I do NOT endorse Mitt Romney's politics.  He's too Liberal with spending, and too conservative with his social agenda.  My opinion, I am entitled.  Social issues are much less important to me that fiscal ones.  

I want FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE leadership, and that can't be found in either the R or D camp.  Everything else doesn't matter.  We need Constitutional leaders that are willing to get back to fiscal conservatism, and that is not to be found in either the R or the D camp.

You go ahead and keep voting for the lesser of two evils because THIS year it's the MOST important election in our HISTORY.  after all they ALL are.

If you keep electing them... they are going to keep doing the same old shtuff.  No reason to change...

Jabba

I agree 100% with Jabba. I am a registered Republican and have voted that way since I was 18. Neither party is fiscally responsible! All the other political garbage doesn't mean a thing if our country goes bankrupt. I want a president who will work to pay off our debt and live by the constitution. I don't see that happening in our lifetime.

That being said, Romney is the lesser of two evils.

[musclehead]

Both the R's and D's spend money like proverbial drunken sailors, and as a former drunken sailor, I take offense to that comparison.  I stopped spending money when I ran out of it. 

We need some TRUE fiscal conservatives, and neither the R's nor the D's are that.

Jabba

you'll find SOME fiscal cons in the "R"s, more then you would in the "D"s. I've said it before, no "R" gets a free ride anymore, the sleeping giant has awoke let's keep it on high octane caffiene.

[Jabba]

you'll find SOME fiscal cons in the "R"s, more then you would in the "D"s. I've said it before, no "R" gets a free ride anymore, the sleeping giant has awoke let's keep it on high octane caffiene.

Can you name 3?

there are probably 3.  I am just not aware of them.

And you're right.  You stand a better chance in the R's than the D's... but they are still few, far between, and not conservative enough.  Even Paul Ryan... had his hand out during the stimulus and stuff.

Jabba

[doubletee]

I have decided that I am no longer voting for the lesser of two evils.  And that is ALWAYS our choice.  When we vote for the lesser of two evils, we send the message that we approve of their politics, and frankly, I do not approve of either parties policies, track record, and their cooridinated strangled hold on American politics, and their unwillingness to even allow other parties to even be heard.

I will be voting for Gary Johnson.  The former Rep governor of New Mexico, and a REAL fiscal conservative. Gov Johnson veto'd more wastefull spending bills in his 8 years as Governor of New Mexico than ALL the other 49 governors combined.

Romney and Obama are both more of the same as far as I am concerned.

Jabba

+1 Except I already voted. 

[Mallett]

I have decided that I am no longer voting for the lesser of two evils.  And that is ALWAYS our choice.  When we vote for the lesser of two evils, we send the message that we approve of their politics, and frankly, I do not approve of either parties policies, track record, and their cooridinated strangled hold on American politics, and their unwillingness to even allow other parties to even be heard.

I will be voting for Gary Johnson.  The former Rep governor of New Mexico, and a REAL fiscal conservative. Gov Johnson veto'd more wastefull spending bills in his 8 years as Governor of New Mexico than ALL the other 49 governors combined.

Romney and Obama are both more of the same as far as I am concerned.

Jabba

A vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Obama....IMO

[doubletee]

Anyone who thinks there is no difference between Obama and Romney is either delusional, ill-informed or an idiot.  Romney was not my first choice but to say they are the same is ridiculous.  Please educate yourself quickly.  As for you Gary Johnson voters out there - he is a good man but when you are watching your personal wealth dwindle and business fail because of more of this environment, it will only give you pleasure to say you voted for Johnson for about 10 seconds and to the 3 people who will care. Wise up and help the cause. 

My personal wealth is better now than it has ever been in my past 50 years of life, and it's not because of Obama, Bush, or any preceeding president. I agree with Jabba; there is only so much the POTUS can do. That office gets far too much acclaim when things are going right, and far too much blame when they aren't going well.

[doubletee]

A no vote or a vote for a better qualified independent candidate is a vote for Obama.  And that is the fact of life whether we like it or not!

That's not true at all. Had I not voted for Johnson, I would have voted for Obama.