Supreme Court Rulings.....

[Robert]

Our nation, which was founded as a Christian nation, is walking further and further from our roots.  Historically, we are following a very dangerous pattern that many, many fallen empires had followed- ultimately leading to their demise.  

God says, "When I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or command locusts to devour the land or send a plague among my people, 14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land."

I just hope we, as a nation, return to our roots before absolute disaster.

The United States was not founded as a Christian nation.  In fact, the Constitution explicitly states under Article VI, paragraph 3, "...but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

So, dream on.

Actually you are again wrong Wayne while the US first formed it was a requirement that anyone that held public office had to be Christian.
In newly independent America, there was state laws regarding religion. In Massachusetts, only Christians were allowed to hold public office, and Catholics were allowed to do so only after renouncing papal authority. In 1777, New York State's constitution banned Catholics from public office (and would do so until 1806). In Maryland, Catholics had full civil rights, but Jews did not. Delaware required an oath affirming belief in the Trinity. Several states, including Massachusetts and South Carolina, had official, state-supported churches.

When George Washington dispatched Benedict Arnold on a mission to court French Canadians' support for the American Revolution in 1775, he cautioned Arnold not to let their religion get in the way. "Prudence, policy and a true Christian Spirit," Washington advised, "will lead us to look with compassion upon their errors, without insulting them." (After Arnold betrayed the American cause, he publicly cited America's alliance with Catholic France as one of his reasons for doing so.)

Mayflower Compact 1620 IN THE NAME OF GOD, AMEN. We, whose names are underwritten, the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, etc. Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith, and the Honor of our King and Country, a Voyage to plant the first Colony in the northern Parts of Virginia; Do by these Presents, solemnly and mutually, in the Presence of God and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politic, for our better Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid: And by Virtue hereof do enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions, and Officers, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general Good of the Colony; unto which we promise all due Submission and Obedience.
Do by these Presents, solemnly and mutually, in the Presence of God and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politic, for our better Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid: And by Virtue hereof do enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions, and Officers, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general Good of the Colony; unto which we promise all due Submis and Obedie

The Great start to the US,  we are still, no matter how hard they try to say no,  a Christian Nation. Just as our laws were formed from the Bible  

Then when America separated from Great Britain in 1776 and the states created their very first state constitutions, they openly acknowledged Christianity and jointly secured religious toleration, non-coercion, and the rights of conscience. For example, the 1776 constitution of Virginia declared:

   That religion, or the duty which we owe to our Creator and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence; and therefore all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion according to the dictates of conscience; and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity towards each other.

Similar clauses appeared in the constitutions of New Jersey (1776), North Carolina (1776), Pennsylvania (1776),  New York (1777),  Vermont (1777),  South Carolina (1778),  Massachusetts (1780),  New Hampshire (1784),  etc. Today, the safeguard for the rights of conscience pioneered by Christian leaders is a regular feature of state constitutions.

The Founding Fathers were outspoken about the importance of this God-given inalienable right.
John Jay, the original Chief Justice of the U. S. Supreme Court, similarly rejoiced that:

   Security under our constitution is given to the rights of conscience and private judgment. They are by nature subject to no control but that of Deity, and in that free situation they are now left. The Supreme Court has actually reversed itself many times in the banning of the Bilble and ten commandments. We used to use Bibles as the first school books.

[Robert]

The title is a rhetorical question. Sane people do not normalize child rape.
A pro-pedophile group called B4U-ACT held a symposium on August 17, 2011, in Baltimore, Maryland, to highlight their campaign to get the American Psychiatric Association (APA) to normalize pedophilia in the 2013 update to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM).
The APA is in the process of revising its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, Text Revision (DSM-IV-TR). One section in particular, Paraphilias, is of interest to groups like B4U-ACT, because pedophilia falls under the paraphilia definition. The APA's revision is moving in the direction of normalizing pedophilia, along with the other paraphilias, and is being pushed to do so by pro-pedophilia groups such as B4U-ACT.
While the APA was not a part of the B4U-ACT symposium, the APA did sponsor a symposium in 2003 at its annual convention during which participants discussed removing pedophilia and other paraphilias from the DSM-V.
"Psychiatrist Charles Moser of San Francisco's Institute for the Advanced Study of Human Sexuality and co-author Peggy Kleinplatz of the University of Ottawa presented conferees with a paper entitled 'DSM-IV-TR and the Paraphilias: An Argument for Removal.'

What the F*CK does this have to do with the Supreme Court overturning DOMA?  You seem to be implying that homosexuals are child predators when in fact this is not the case.  Even you _could_ have researched the topic to find it is much more complicated than that.

But, what the f*ck, Robert... why let facts get in the way of good rant?

A little short sighted are we? No not all homosexuals are child predators but of the numbers of child predators there are a much greater that are homosexuals. I thought you read statistics Wayne. But as you said never let facts get in the way of a good rant.  

[PAVALKER]

Our nation, which was founded as a Christian nation, is walking further and further from our roots.  Historically, we are following a very dangerous pattern that many, many fallen empires had followed- ultimately leading to their demise. 

God says, "When I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or command locusts to devour the land or send a plague among my people, 14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land."

I just hope we, as a nation, return to our roots before absolute disaster.

The United States was not founded as a Christian nation.  In fact, the Constitution explicitly states under Article VI, paragraph 3, "...but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

So, dream on.

Based on Christian values and beliefs but accepting of other religions.  Maybe your atheist/other religious views and values are not necessarily those that were held back then when our country was founded.  But the Star Spangled Banner, the Pledge of Allegiance and other documents, government buildings and the like STILL have plenty of reference to it's Christian values regardless of how hard they try to remove it, or you try to deny it.     Your Article VI reference has nothing to do with our country being based on Christian values, just that no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust.  

[WayneH]

There is no point in debating you, Robert.  Like others of your ilk you are sure you have the truth, facts notwithstanding.

The fact that Christians, for hundreds of years, have attempted to force the rest of the population into their belief system by using the rule of law.  Not much has changed.  It continues to happen today.

Believe what you want.  Keep your nose and your religious beliefs out of other people's lives.

[WayneH]

Our nation, which was founded as a Christian nation, is walking further and further from our roots.  Historically, we are following a very dangerous pattern that many, many fallen empires had followed- ultimately leading to their demise. 

God says, "When I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or command locusts to devour the land or send a plague among my people, 14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land."

I just hope we, as a nation, return to our roots before absolute disaster.

The United States was not founded as a Christian nation.  In fact, the Constitution explicitly states under Article VI, paragraph 3, "...but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

So, dream on.

Based on Christian values and beliefs but accepting of other religions.  Maybe your atheist/other religious views and values are not necessarily those that were held back then when our country was founded.  But the Star Spangled Banner, the Pledge of Allegiance and other documents, government buildings and the like STILL have plenty of reference to it's Christian values regardless of how hard they try to remove it, or you try to deny it.     Your Article VI reference has nothing to do with our country being based on Christian values, just that no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust.  

The Pledge of Allegiance never had the words "under God" until inserted by the US Congress in 1957 as part of the Commie hunting rampage started by Joseph McCarthy.

You should read some of the Federalist Papers.  The majority of the founding fathers were very suspicious of organized religion.

[Robert]

Wayne I thank you for something that you helped me do, "research", to find out what this country was founded on and how our forefathers formed this country. I noticed that faced with a preponderance of evidence to how this country was formed you resort to rhetoric. Not a good position. I know you travel maybe even to Washington why don't you look at the white house and look at the murals on the walls of Washington and other past politicians. What you will notice is prayer groups depicted in these murals. I will continue to educate people on the formation of this country so people cannot lie. If you believe or not its your choice but don't lie or be uninformed or self deluded at the creation of this great nation.

[PAVALKER]

Our nation, which was founded as a Christian nation, is walking further and further from our roots.  Historically, we are following a very dangerous pattern that many, many fallen empires had followed- ultimately leading to their demise. 

God says, "When I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or command locusts to devour the land or send a plague among my people, 14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land."

I just hope we, as a nation, return to our roots before absolute disaster.

The United States was not founded as a Christian nation.  In fact, the Constitution explicitly states under Article VI, paragraph 3, "...but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

So, dream on.

Based on Christian values and beliefs but accepting of other religions.  Maybe your atheist/other religious views and values are not necessarily those that were held back then when our country was founded.  But the Star Spangled Banner, the Pledge of Allegiance and other documents, government buildings and the like STILL have plenty of reference to it's Christian values regardless of how hard they try to remove it, or you try to deny it.     Your Article VI reference has nothing to do with our country being based on Christian values, just that no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust.   

The Pledge of Allegiance never had the words "under God" until inserted by the US Congress in 1957 as part of the Commie hunting rampage started by Joseph McCarthy.

You should read some of the Federalist Papers.  The majority of the founding fathers were very suspicious of organized religion.

Your alleged facts are not totally factual of course, and if all ya got is the "under God" being added later (in 1954 vice 1957), then I assume you can't dispute other instances of religion, god, etc in other documents, anthems, buildings etc?? 

[Raider]

Our nation, which was founded as a Christian nation, is walking further and further from our roots.  Historically, we are following a very dangerous pattern that many, many fallen empires had followed- ultimately leading to their demise. 

God says, "When I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or command locusts to devour the land or send a plague among my people, 14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land."

I just hope we, as a nation, return to our roots before absolute disaster.

The United States was not founded as a Christian nation.  In fact, the Constitution explicitly states under Article VI, paragraph 3, "...but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

So, dream on.

Revisionist history.  Look at the foundation of the nation.  Barring religious testing as a qualification for office does not make our roots less Christian. 

[Robert]

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court, for example, identified "the
constitutionality of Christianity" as "the question" in rejecting Abner Updegraph's appeal of his
blasphemy conviction and concluding that Christianity was the law of Pennsylvania and the
nation.

Given the Constitution's identification of a limited federal power, the Court could have
ruled that Congress lacked authority to legislate about marriage, a subject usually associated with
the power of the states. Displaying little concern about the scope of congressional authority,
however, the Court concluded that because Congress "was left free to reach actions which were
in violation of social duties or subversive of good order," it could ban the "odious" practice of
polygamy, which "was almost exclusively a feature of the life of Asiatic and of African
people."29 The Court relied on the long Christian ecclesial prohibition of polygamy as a reason to
uphold Congress's authority and then rejected Reynolds' claim that his religious belief in
polygamy should exempt him from a valid law.

in 1900 the United States
Supreme Court upheld the Minnesota conviction of a barber who opened his shop on Sunday.13
An 1854 decision of the Supreme Court of Missouri affirming Peter Ambs' double
conviction for selling ale and keeping an alehouse open on Sunday captures the flavor of the
Christian Nation that was not "composed of strangers collected from all quarters of the globe,
each with a religion of his own" but was significantly created in the "year of our Lord

Christianity also influenced the courtrooms where witnesses and jurors took oaths or
were disqualified for not having sufficient faith to take the oath. In British common law only
Christians could be sworn as witnesses, but in the states the rule gradually changed to allow
believers in other religions to testify, but kept atheists from the stand.

Two early Supreme Court cases are now remembered for their dicta about Christianity
rather than their specific holdings, which did not include consideration of the Religion Clauses.
Stephen Girard left money to the City of Philadelphia to found a school for boy orphans on the
condition that "no ecclesiastic, missionary or minister of any sect whatsoever" teach at the
school. His relatives challenged the will on the theory that the provision insulted the Christian
law of the state in a similar manner to state laws about blasphemy. The United States Supreme
Court upheld the will in 1844, ruling that because it still allowed for non-clergy to teach the
Bible and Christianity, it did not "impugn or repudiate" Christianity.27 In 1892, the Court heard a
church's challenge to the application of a labor law forbidding importation of foreign workers to
its attempt to hire a cleric from overseas. The Court interpreted the statute to bar manual workers
only, not clergy, and added the reasoning and language for which the case remains famous: "no
purpose of action against religion can be imputed to any legislation, state or national, because
this is a religious people . . . this is a Christian nation.

There is so much more to know about how the Supreme Court has lately reversed itself by rulings made against Christianity. I thought one case built on another as rule of law?? I guess not.

[crow]

Right on wayneH!!    "I like your Christ, i do not like your Christians, your Christians are so not like your Christ, Gahndi. 

[Robert]

The Bible says love the sinner hate the sin, Truth is sometimes not becoming and some cant handle it some  choose to hide it. But truth never quite goes away lies build on hiding the truth same as confusion. Accept the truth then their can be honest change. Social change effected through lies only makes for sick and unworkable laws.

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Jesus healed sinners and said go sin no more, not build a country on sin and deceit.

[3fan4life]

Right on wayneH!!    "I like your Christ, i do not like your Christians, your Christians are so not like your Christ, Gahndi. 

Please don't encourage the TROLLS.

[G-Man]

You should read some of the Federalist Papers.  The majority of the founding fathers were very suspicious of organized religion.

Here's my proof, but I'm not going to actually show it to you.  It's up to you now to do the research to prove me wrong.  Then when you present me with facts, I'll just insult you and your ilk. 

Why bother?   

[3fan4life]

Here's my proof, but I'm not going to actually show it to you.  It's up to you now to do the research to prove me wrong.  Then when you present me with facts, I'll just insult you and your ilk. 

Why bother?   

That tends to be what people do when they aren't nearly as smart as they think they are.


It's very much like adolescents who when they can't come up with an intelligent response just blurt out,

"Your Mama".

No matter how you slice it, adolescent behavior among those that are supposed to be grown adults is just plain ridiculous.

People are supposed to grow wiser with age, it is beyond my ability to reason, how some become more and more juvenile in their behavior instead.