I'll take this guy any day over what we currently have

[Patrick]

President Obama will go down as one of the greatest presidents in history.  I wouldn't be surprised if his likeness will be imprinted on our money one day.  Saving this country from the Great Recession?  Check.  Equal pay for women doing equal work?  Check.  Saving the US Auto industry?  Check.  Ending don't ask don't tell?  Check.  Making Supreme Court appointments that contributed to the ending of DOMA?  Check.  Creating Obamacare with patient rights?  Check.  Getting us out of 2 wars, and hopefully avoiding a third?  Check.

George W. Bush will go down as one of the worst presidents ever.  Taking a surplus and turning it into a deficit?  Check.  Ignoring intelligence briefings therefore allowing 9/11?  Check.  Using false data to convince America to enter a war we never should have started?  Check.  Leaving office with an annual budget deficit of over a trillion dollars a year?  Check.  Hemorrhaging jobs at a rate of over 800,000 a month?  Check.  Leave the economy in it's worst state since the Great Depression?  Check.

Tell me again about how intelligent President Bush was? 

Bushisms

Your post does't even deserve a response. Keep those rose colored glasses on. Not one of your 'facts' are facts. Typical liberal response.

[Daddie O]

Tell me Patrick, which of my facts aren't facts?  Your argument is self defeating.  If my post doesn't deserve a response, then why did you respond to it?

[czuch]

Thats a darn nice lookin box of rocks there.

[Patrick]

Tell me Patrick, which of my facts aren't facts?  Your argument is self defeating.  If my post doesn't deserve a response, then why did you respond to it?

I need to listen to myself. I told myself some time ago to not read or respond to your posts. I do get a kick out of your view of things. Did I mention that I need to listen to myself.

[Serk]

Thats a darn nice lookin box of rocks there.

Thank you for noticing! I actually spent a goodly amount of time searching for just the right picture of a box of rocks to use. I never imagined there'd be so many to choose from, but most of them just weren't quite right... That one just "did it" for me, ya' know?

[Longlivedixie]

Tell me Patrick, which of my facts aren't facts?  Your argument is self defeating.  If my post doesn't deserve a response, then why did you respond to it?

I need to listen to myself. I told myself some time ago to not read or respond to your posts. I do get a kick out of your view of things. Did I mention that I need to listen to myself.

SOME folks have REAL issues with simple FACTS in history, do they not Patrick? Even to the point of not knowing who 'gets us out of a war'. Pretty astonishing.

Your friend contends Obuma got us out of Iraq.

Discussing current events with someone that has no respect/regard for simple historical FACTS is like trying to discuss algebra with someone that does not think 2 + 2 equals 4. It is hopeless.........as you suggested.

George W. Bush negotiated & signed the agreement/treaty that enabled, and set in-place the USA's withdraw from Iraq. All Obuma done was abide by the treaty.

----The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: "Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq") was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011----

Wikipedia

[The Anvil]

Tell me Patrick, which of my facts aren't facts?  Your argument is self defeating.  If my post doesn't deserve a response, then why did you respond to it?

I need to listen to myself. I told myself some time ago to not read or respond to your posts. I do get a kick out of your view of things. Did I mention that I need to listen to myself.

That's a cop-out. Back up your argument.

I don't really agree with Daddie either. I think these two guys might be fighting it out for worst of all time.

[Patrick]

' Cop-out ' ? So be it, thats OK. To back up any of my arguments, all one has to do is look at the facts. Trying to force something on anyone doesn't work. One just has to take it upon themselves to take the time to look into the issues rather than just listen to these overpaid talking heads. I've already spent way too much time trying to convince folks that I know and talk with on a regular basis. They don't listen and refuse to believe the trouble we're in. It just plain doesn't pay to try and talk sense with some people. They think can win a discussion just because they may have the last word. So I now just talk to folks about the important issues of our times such as sports, fishing, etc.

[LandElephant]

Please do your research better. When GW Bush took over as president the preceeding administration had added 1.44 Trillion to the national debt in the last two years and there was a start of a recession. The Bush tax cuts instead of tax increases and stimilus was his attempt to revive the economy.

You give Clinton too much credit for the surplus because there was also a Republican House and Senate that could pass budgets.

Flame on everyone.

Charlie Morse
Land Elephant

[Willow]

Before I offer my answer to the following question (?) I need to make it perfectly clear that I am speaking (typing) solely for myself and that despite my position in the organization, my answer in no way necessarily reflects the views of the VRCC staff.

Tell me again about how intelligent President Bush was?  

Overwhelmingly obviously much more than multiple people who have posted political rants on this message board.  

[R J]

Tell me Patrick, which of my facts aren't facts?  Your argument is self defeating.  If my post doesn't deserve a response, then why did you respond to it?

I'll bet you voted for Bam Bam also.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Before I offer my answer to the following question (?) I need to make it perfectly clear that I am speaking (typing) solely for myself and that despite my position in the organization, my answer in no way necessarily reflects the views of the VRCC staff.

Tell me again about how intelligent President Bush was?  

Overwhelmingly obviously much more than multiple people who have posted political rants on this message board.  

[Longlivedixie]

And does it not strike ya AWFUL funny that Leftist, on one hand call Dubya dumb.......but on the other hand, he is responsible for SO many manipulations, pulled off SO many dastardly plans and schemes, and even SO adeptly pulls the strings on todays events

They would tell you it wasn't Bush pulling the strings, it was Cheney.

And they'd be right.

Thought everything was BUSH'S fault?

[musclehead]

President Obama will go down as one of the greatest presidents in history.  I wouldn't be surprised if his likeness will be imprinted on our money one day.  Saving this country from the Great Recession?  Check.  Equal pay for women doing equal work?  Check.  Saving the US Auto industry?  Check.  Ending don't ask don't tell?  Check.  Making Supreme Court appointments that contributed to the ending of DOMA?  Check.  Creating Obamacare with patient rights?  Check.  Getting us out of 2 wars, and hopefully avoiding a third?  Check.

George W. Bush will go down as one of the worst presidents ever.  Taking a surplus and turning it into a deficit?  Check.  Ignoring intelligence briefings therefore allowing 9/11?  Check.  Using false data to convince America to enter a war we never should have started?  Check.  Leaving office with an annual budget deficit of over a trillion dollars a year?  Check.  Hemorrhaging jobs at a rate of over 800,000 a month?  Check.  Leave the economy in it's worst state since the Great Depression?  Check.

Tell me again about how intelligent President Bush was? 

Bushisms

so when is the surgery? the one where you have your lips removed from obama's backside 

I've hit you point counter point at least once on most of the left wing moonbat crud you keep regurgitating time and time again. tell you what if you start watching fair and balanced I'll keep listening to ed schultz

[bscrive]

Well, Obama did close Guantanamo like he said he would!!!   

[G-Man]

Every single one of the above points can so very easily be proven incorrect, or better yet, ironically, traced back to Democrats messing something up.      

I'd rather be living in the real world. 

[Patrick]

Every single one of the above points can so very easily be proven incorrect, or better yet, ironically, traced back to Democrats messing something up.      

I'd rather be living in the real world. 

Which points ?

[musclehead]

Every single one of the above points can so very easily be proven incorrect, or better yet, ironically, traced back to Democrats messing something up.      

I'd rather be living in the real world. 

Which points ?

he means hyperbole 

[The Anvil]

Thought everything was BUSH'S fault?

Not everything. There's some stuff that hasn't happened yet that we won't be able to blame on him and so far I can't find a connection to the Fukushima mess.

But as POTUS you don't let your worm of a VP call the shots. So it's still Bush's fault.

[Daddie O]

We all know Bush signed the agreement to remove troops.  As commander in chief President Obama had opportunity to alter agreements based upon what was best for our troops.  You know, the same Obama that had the foresight to know we shouldn't start a war in Iraq in the first place.  The Obama administration isn't run by Halliburton like the last one though.

As far as surgeries needed skinhead, your proctologist called, he located your head.  You might want to ask him to remove it from said location.   

"The Bush tax cuts instead of tax increases and stimilus was his attempt to revive the economy."
How'd that work out?   

Serk-  You posted a meme that inferred I was "stupider".  No need to argue intelligence with someone that uses the word "stupider".

[The Anvil]

You know, the same Obama that had the foresight to know we shouldn't start a war in Iraq in the first place. 

And yet, a year into his second term and he's abandoned that good sense like a stolen car.

I hate to pile it on here because we often find common ground in these matters, but you have to admit that this inconsistency is vexing.

[Skinhead]

As far as surgeries needed skinhead, your proctologist called, he located your head.  You might want to ask him to remove it from said location.   

If you'd care to review the posts, I never mentioned surgeries, therefore GFY.

[MAD6Gun]

As far as surgeries needed skinhead, your proctologist called, he located your head.  You might want to ask him to remove it from said location.   2funny

Damn DaddieO you really know how to make friends and Influence people.  Well you sure as HELL are not making friends with this BS talk. You are REAL brave behind that keyboard. Typical liberal. Cant change their minds so you resort to saying crap like this. WOW.....Man, and to think I helped you out when you first came into the club. I sure as hell wont do that again....

[Daddie O]

As far as surgeries needed skinhead, your proctologist called, he located your head.  You might want to ask him to remove it from said location.   2funny

Damn DaddieO you really know how to make friends and Influence people.  Well you sure as HELL are not making friends with this BS talk. You are REAL brave behind that keyboard. Typical liberal. Cant change their minds so you resort to saying crap like this. WOW.....Man, and to think I helped you out when you first came into the club. I sure as hell wont do that again....

A case of selective reading there MAD6Gun, or did you just not see where musclehead said I need surgery to remove my lips from Obama's backside?  Oops, I attributed that to skinhead, when it was musclehead who said it, my bad.  I'm as brave in person as I am online.  

Also, selling me a used part isn't exactly "helping me out" is it?  If you think so, then I have a whole bunch of stuff I can sell you "to help you out".

[Daddie O]

As far as surgeries needed skinhead, your proctologist called, he located your head.  You might want to ask him to remove it from said location.   

If you'd care to review the posts, I never mentioned surgeries, therefore GFY.

I apologize, it was meant for musclehead.

[The emperor has no clothes]

As far as surgeries needed skinhead, your proctologist called, he located your head.  You might want to ask him to remove it from said location.   

If you'd care to review the posts, I never mentioned surgeries, therefore GFY.

I apologize, it was meant for musclehead.

Skinhead,Musclehead,Meathead were all distant cousins

[Skinhead]

As far as surgeries needed skinhead, your proctologist called, he located your head.  You might want to ask him to remove it from said location.   

If you'd care to review the posts, I never mentioned surgeries, therefore GFY.

I apologize, it was meant for musclehead.

Skinhead,Musclehead,Meathead were all distant cousins

Yeah, it's like we're related.....

[musclehead]

We all know Bush signed the agreement to remove troops.  As commander in chief President Obama had opportunity to alter agreements based upon what was best for our troops.  You know, the same Obama that had the foresight to know we shouldn't start a war in Iraq in the first place.  The Obama administration isn't run by Halliburton like the last one though.

As far as surgeries needed skinhead, your proctologist called, he located your head.  You might want to ask him to remove it from said location.   

"The Bush tax cuts instead of tax increases and stimilus was his attempt to revive the economy."
How'd that work out?   

Serk-  You posted a meme that inferred I was "stupider".  No need to argue intelligence with someone that uses the word "stupider".

obama did nothing good for our troops in Afghanistan and because of assinine rules of engagement 2/3 of the casualties from that war are his. he followed the draw down bush had in place for iraq almost to the letter

tell me oh wise one did Obama vote for the war in iraq?

this adminstration is run by george soros.

if your gonna hit us up on spelling then I'm just going to call you a doo doo head

bush tax cuts, you mean the ones obama kept in place (forgot that did you?) he said something like 'it doesn't make sense to raise taxes during a recession' remmember now?

president hoover raised the top rate form 25% to 63% and the depression was just around the corner. learn anything yet?

hagher taxes and more regulations do not equal a prosperous country

[MAD6Gun]

Also, selling me a used part isn't exactly "helping me out" is it?  If you think so, then I have a whole bunch of stuff I can sell you "to help you out".

WOW..You really are a piece of work. I sold you a $125.00 throttle lock for 50 bucks. And I called Bill at MADcorider and had him send you the sleeve spacer that I lost at my expense. I could have said nothing and made you get that piece yourself. But because I lost it I felt obligated to get it for you.  Was I supposed to just give it to ya? HUH.  Maybe I am wrong but that to me is helping someone out. Years ago I bought a set of saddle bags off of Willow. Was he supposed to just give them to me? Hear that Willow?  I want a refund.

Talk about ungrateful.........

[Skinhead]

Also, selling me a used part isn't exactly "helping me out" is it?  If you think so, then I have a whole bunch of stuff I can sell you "to help you out".

WOW..You really are a piece of work. I sold you a $125.00 throttle lock for 50 bucks. And I called Bill at MADcorider and had him send you the sleeve spacer that I lost at my expense. I could have said nothing and made you get that piece yourself. But because I lost it I felt obligated to get it for you.  Was I supposed to just give it to ya? HUH.  Maybe I am wrong but that to me is helping someone out. Years ago I bought a set of saddle bags off of Willow. Was he supposed to just give them to me? Hear that Willow?  I want a refund.

Talk about ungrateful.........

Mark,

Let it go.  It takes all kinds to make up this world, and maybe this is some insight as to how his mind works.  You and I both know you're a stand up guy, and will help out people because you know it is the right thing to do.  Some people are just ungrateful and think the world owes them.

Thanks for having my back, by the way.

I accept Daddio's apology for the error he made, but stand by my closing remark.

[musclehead]

As far as surgeries needed skinhead, your proctologist called, he located your head.  You might want to ask him to remove it from said location.   

If you'd care to review the posts, I never mentioned surgeries, therefore GFY.

musclehead? skinhead? at this point what difference does it make? 

[Skinhead]

Just another member of the head family.

[musclehead]

Just another member of the head family.

yes I was the 'head' that mentioned surgery, I know I 'dissed' another member but I did use the devilish icon to show it was in fun.....

[Daddie O]

Selling me a used part for less than you paid for it new is not helping me out.  In fact, it's me helping you out by paying you money for an unused part.  You are welcome.  

I've bought many things, and sold many things.  Never did I consider that in recouping money I spent on an item I was "helping someone out."  We helped each other out.  I got a discount on a part that I could use by buying it used, and you got money for a part that you used and replaced with a superior part.  Please don't pretend you were doing me a favor, you approached me with your offer to sell me something, and I bought it.  In these situations, both people usually shake hands and say "thanks" to each other.

When I respond to illogical political posts, I am not expecting to win friends and influence people.  I know full well that this board is full of Republicans.  When I post, I know full well that I won't hear a cogent, logical response to my arguments, but instead will hear a rash of insults, and they usually won't be directed at my arguments, they will be directed at me personally.  I will be told I'm a dumb, blind, "stupider" person that is on drugs, drinking kool-aid, and kissing Obama's ass while wearing rose colored glasses.  I will be told that I am a "piece of work", incapable of basic comprehension.  I could go on and on.  

I have a thick skin, and I can take it.

[musclehead]

except..... I have seen cogent, logical responses to your arguements. and then you ignore them for the most part. your opinion is yours alone, mine is the same, I won't change your mind but there are times I think you ignore some of the more salient points.

[G-Man]

I watched that way back when and it was good to see it again. Some here will disagree, but, I don't care. The man is a class act from everything that I've seen or read. And yes I did vote for him, twice. And yes, I would so again today.
The idiot we have as our leader today will go down in history as the worst president  we have ever had.

Remember the victor's get to write history.   With the surge in leftist and socialist in this country, they will write history and Obama will be the greatest president we ever had.

I fear you may be right!

[G-Man]

Every single one of the above points can so very easily be proven incorrect, or better yet, ironically, traced back to Democrats messing something up.    

I'd rather be living in the real world.  

Which points ?

Sorry, Dadie O's points.  Oh, except for the Don't Ask, and Doma .....afterall, who gives a rats a$$ about that crap anyway?  Only right and left wing nuts, everyone else in the middle couldn't care less as we watch our country's world leadership crumble and made a mockery of by the one who supposed to be it's biggest cheerleader.  

When he said FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE THIS COUNTRY, what did people actually think he meant?  If you love something, and hold it's values dear to your heart, you don't try to change it from its core.  

[john]

[Patrick]

except..... I have seen cogent, logical responses to your arguements. and then you ignore them for the most part. your opinion is yours alone, mine is the same, I won't change your mind but there are times I think you ignore some of the more salient points.

Yep, me too. And probably everyone else here.

[Serk]

Serk-  You posted a meme that inferred I was "stupider".  No need to argue intelligence with someone that uses the word "stupider".

Now you've got me curious. Which meme was this, and in which thread?