Tea Party offers deal!!!

[The Anvil]

You can call me what you want, I've been called far worse by far better.

I would bet my life that you've been called worse by the best this world has to offer. I'm sure you're beaming with pride over it too.

[Liberty Bell]

You make the comment because his father is from Kenya and is dark-skinned.  As far as our President showing respect and appreciation for America, you can't really find a speech he's made where he doesn't do so.  He is the epitome of the American dream.

Obviously the public schools in New York are real good at teaching reading or reading comprehension..
Byt, I guess I'll have to state it for you again,
"as soon as that son of a bitch starts showing as much respect and appreciation of his AMERICAN heritage as he does that of his father (the one that for all intensive purposes abandon him and his mother early on and had very little contact with him there after), then I will I'll consider not using it. "

as far as being the epitome of the American Dream...... right.....
epitome of American Marketing, there is nothing about the man that has not be exposed as a lie and a fraud from his books, to his poor up bring out of poverty.... 

[G-Man]

He is the epitome of the American dream.

Then why does he want to fundamentally change this country?

[musclehead]

He is the epitome of the American dream.

Then why does he want to fundamentally change this country?

in case daddie-o doesn't know that is a qoute I believe from when he won the democratic primary.

[Jess Tolbirt]

Anything political that gets posted on here turns into angry rants. People see the country failing and it upsets them. Then there are some that do not see it and thinks it's great. So anytime something political ( truthful or not) it will turn into something angry.

that is one dam fine looking Valk you have there..

[WayneH]

Some people can be offended because they want to be. Their choice.

If this doesn't sum up Britman, I don't know what does.

[..]

Some people can be offended because they want to be. Their choice.

If this doesn't sum up Britman, I don't know what does.

Once more with the personal attacks.

The Elders of the Mankind Project must be so proud of you.

http://www.herberts.org/wayne/growth.htm

The tolerance and understanding you embody in your postings on this forum show real "Spirit".

http://www.herberts.org/wayne/speech.htm.

I can forgive you now knowing your history and will try to understand your anger against your fellow man.

[WayneH]

Some people can be offended because they want to be. Their choice.

If this doesn't sum up Britman, I don't know what does.

Once more with the personal attacks.

The Elders of the Mankind Project must be so proud of you.

http://www.herberts.org/wayne/growth.htm

The tolerance and understanding you embody in your postings on this forum show real "Spirit".

http://www.herberts.org/wayne/speech.htm.

I can forgive you now knowing your history and will try to understand your anger against your fellow man.

What can I say... the man (Britman) is offended yet again.  I am truly glad not to share your vitriolic view of the world.

Your own quote really does sum you up, Britman.  But of course, it is easier to be offended than to look at the message.  Cheers.

[The Anvil]

He is the epitome of the American dream.

Then why does he want to fundamentally change this country?

in case daddie-o doesn't know that is a qoute I believe from when he won the democratic primary.

Well, aren't both sides constantly bitching that this country is FUBAR and not what the founding fathers had envisioned? Seems they just often have different ideas of what that vision was but regardless, reps from either side could make the statement that this country needs to fundamentally changed (not from what it's supposed to be but from what it IS) without meaning that they want to rewrite the Constitution (which is something that the extreme of either side also wants to do).

[musclehead]

He is the epitome of the American dream.

Then why does he want to fundamentally change this country?

in case daddie-o doesn't know that is a qoute I believe from when he won the democratic primary.

Well, aren't both sides constantly bitching that this country is FUBAR and not what the founding fathers had envisioned? Seems they just often have different ideas of what that vision was but regardless, reps from either side could make the statement that this country needs to fundamentally changed (not from what it's supposed to be but from what it IS) without meaning that they want to rewrite the Constitution (which is something that the extreme of either side also wants to do).

so what do you think he meant by 'fundamentally change'?

it seems your side of the aisle wants to move further away from the founding fathers view of this nation.

[FLAVALK]

Ya'll really shouldn't feed the trolls.

Trolls are like pigeons in the park....and you know what happens when you throw one a piece of bread. 

[The Anvil]

it seems your side of the aisle wants to move further away from the founding fathers view of this nation.

There you go again with that "your side of the aisle" crap. For one thing, I'm at best a blue-dog but if you've been paying any attention to politics as of late you'd know that the party doesn't even recognize us. I share many viewpoints with the Republican party and even embrace some libertarian concepts. But I am a man without a party. My voting philosophy is that it is no longer about electing a good man or even the best man for the job. It is about voting for the despot who's self interest aligns most closely with your own.

But to your question about "fundamental change"; I think most people regardless of party, would agree that the military industrial complex is far too powerful. In fact, it's probably the single most powerful entity in the country. Well, changing that power structure wouldbe a fundamental change in the operation of America.

I'm not saying that's what Obama meant. My point is that it doesn't have to mean re-writing the Constitution. America has a lot of fundamental problems right now that need addressing. Damn, if there's one thing I would think we could all agree on it's THAT even if we can't agree on what they are or how to fix them..

[Xtracho]

Ya'll really shouldn't feed the trolls.

Trolls are like pigeons in the park....and you know what happens when you throw one a piece of bread. 

Ain't that the cursed truth!

[Patrick]

Ya'll really shouldn't feed the trolls.

Trolls are like pigeons in the park....and you know what happens when you throw one a piece of bread. 

Finally ! A voice of wisdom and prospective ! Sometimes it takes to thump to the side of a head to bring one back to reality.

[musclehead]

it seems your side of the aisle wants to move further away from the founding fathers view of this nation.

There you go again with that "your side of the aisle" crap. For one thing, I'm at best a blue-dog but if you've been paying any attention to politics as of late you'd know that the party doesn't even recognize us. I share many viewpoints with the Republican party and even embrace some libertarian concepts. But I am a man without a party. My voting philosophy is that it is no longer about electing a good man or even the best man for the job. It is about voting for the despot who's self interest aligns most closely with your own.

But to your question about "fundamental change"; I think most people regardless of party, would agree that the military industrial complex is far too powerful. In fact, it's probably the single most powerful entity in the country. Well, changing that power structure wouldbe a fundamental change in the operation of America.

I'm not saying that's what Obama meant. My point is that it doesn't have to mean re-writing the Constitution. America has a lot of fundamental problems right now that need addressing. Damn, if there's one thing I would think we could all agree on it's THAT even if we can't agree on what they are or how to fix them..

still you voted for obama twice and have no buyers remorse.  that's why I say 'your party'
what view points (other than the second amendment) do you share with repubs?
as for problems we have in america I can't see any that have been made better. poor employment the ACA is partially responcible for that, a pitiful GDP, expansion of the 'safety net' because of less people being able to call themselves middle class. 4 million more people living under poverty levels. 17 trillion dollars in debt. these are just some of the domestic issues, I'm not even going to touch on foreign relations.

[The Anvil]

still you voted for obama twice and have no buyers remorse.  that's why I say 'your party'

Buyer's remorse means that I wish I could get a do-over and vote for the other option. I do not feel that way. McCain has gone off the rails and Romney is Romney. I picked the best of a bad lot. That doesn't mean I'm happy about THAT fact.

what view points (other than the second amendment) do you share with repubs?

military spending (lots of it), climate change (I'm not sold that it's man-made or even abnormal), work programs for welfare recipients... there are others.

As far as my libertarian views, I believe in drug legalization, the legitimization of gay marriage, severely limiting involvment in foreign affairs and focusing on a defensive military rather than power projection...

as for problems we have in america I can't see any that have been made better. poor employment the ACA is partially responcible for that,

See, I just don't buy that it is. I think there's a lot of unfounded panic out there and it's been sewn by people who just don't care about the world beyond their front doors.

a pitiful GDP, expansion of the 'safety net' because of less people being able to call themselves middle class. 4 million more people living under poverty levels. 17 trillion dollars in debt. these are just some of the domestic issues, I'm not even going to touch on foreign relations.

All fair. But the solutions offered by the "your side" is to lower (and even eliminate) taxes on corporations, as though this will make these issues magically disappear. But it won't. In the immortal words of Dave Mustaine; "If there's a new way, I'll be the first in line. But it'd better work this time". Offer me ideas and action. Don't just offer complaint. Though I have my own misgivings about the ACA, at least someone had the balls to try something. Yeah, I'll give Obama credit for that just as I'll offer criticism when he's wrong. Feel free to call me a traiter or whatever.

[John Schmidt]

He is the epitome of the American dream.
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You're kidding, right? I agree...that's about the funniest thing posted on this board in a long time. This clown hasn't a clue what makes the hard working American citizen tick. He's never been one.

[Willow]

See, I just don't buy that it is. I think there's a lot of unfounded panic out there and it's been sewn by people who just don't care about the world beyond their front doors.

Please do take this with the kindness with which it's intended.

On both sides we move ourselves into unreasonable positions when we allow ourselves to believe we are the only true ones who care and that people who disagree with us obviously don't care.  Perhaps before making such a blanket assumptive statement we should check the statistics on from where contributions to charitable purposes are coming.  I think we might be surprised.

A lot of us on both sides truly care but we do have very different perspectives.  

[G-Man]

See, I just don't buy that it is. I think there's a lot of unfounded panic out there and it's been sewn by people who just don't care about the world beyond their front doors.

Please do take this with the kindness with which it's intended.

On both sides we move ourselves into unreasonable positions when we allow ourselves to believe we are the only true ones who care and that people who disagree with us obviously don't care.  Perhaps before making such a blanket assumptive statement we should check the statistics on from where contributions to charitable purposes are coming.  I think we might be surprised.

A lot of us on both sides truly care but we do have very different perspectives.  

I believe one of the largest, if not thee largest, group as a whole that donates to charity annually is the  motorcycle community.

[The Anvil]

See, I just don't buy that it is. I think there's a lot of unfounded panic out there and it's been sewn by people who just don't care about the world beyond their front doors.

Please do take this with the kindness with which it's intended.

On both sides we move ourselves into unreasonable positions when we allow ourselves to believe we are the only true ones who care and that people who disagree with us obviously don't care.  Perhaps before making such a blanket assumptive statement we should check the statistics on from where contributions to charitable purposes are coming.  I think we might be surprised.

A lot of us on both sides truly care but we do have very different perspectives.  

Willow, I'm not talking about the average person when I say that. The average person is not the seller but rather, the buyer. They just happen to repeat a lot of the crap because they heard it from Mark Levin or Glenn Beck or Alex Jones and gosh-darnit someone gave those people mediums so it must be true!

The people who are really behind the fear mongering are not reading this forum and as such, those comments are not directed at those who are.

[musclehead]

still you voted for obama twice and have no buyers remorse.  that's why I say 'your party'

Buyer's remorse means that I wish I could get a do-over and vote for the other option. I do not feel that way. McCain has gone off the rails and Romney is Romney. I picked the best of a bad lot. That doesn't mean I'm happy about THAT fact.

what view points (other than the second amendment) do you share with repubs?

military spending (lots of it), climate change (I'm not sold that it's man-made or even abnormal), work programs for welfare recipients... there are others.

As far as my libertarian views, I believe in drug legalization, the legitimization of gay marriage, severely limiting involvment in foreign affairs and focusing on a defensive military rather than power projection...

as for problems we have in america I can't see any that have been made better. poor employment the ACA is partially responcible for that,

See, I just don't buy that it is. I think there's a lot of unfounded panic out there and it's been sewn by people who just don't care about the world beyond their front doors.

a pitiful GDP, expansion of the 'safety net' because of less people being able to call themselves middle class. 4 million more people living under poverty levels. 17 trillion dollars in debt. these are just some of the domestic issues, I'm not even going to touch on foreign relations.

All fair. But the solutions offered by the "your side" is to lower (and even eliminate) taxes on corporations, as though this will make these issues magically disappear. But it won't. In the immortal words of Dave Mustaine; "If there's a new way, I'll be the first in line. But it'd better work this time". Offer me ideas and action. Don't just offer complaint. Though I have my own misgivings about the ACA, at least someone had the balls to try something. Yeah, I'll give Obama credit for that just as I'll offer criticism when he's wrong. Feel free to call me a traiter or whatever.

I think you've short changed romney, we'd still be in a world of hurt right now but he asked, nay begged the fed to stop quantative easing. they are not the same.

we agree on alot of the point of views you have.

obamacare provides incentives to companies to hire part time, hence nearly 7/8 of all jobs created since january are part time. that part is NOT rocket science.

lower taxes have spawned economic growth, I can illustrate several examples. it has worked every time, can you provide an example where it hasn't?

none of the economic policies being tried currently are working. unless obama is trying to make it crash (gasp)

traitor? I usually don't resort to name calling 

[Hoser]

Why did I open this post?  I'd be pulling my hair out in frustration if I had any.    Hoser

[Serk]

The irony of quoting Dave Mustaine in this context gave me a literal chuckle...

"I'm just hoping that whatever is in the White House next year is a Republican," said Megadeth mainman Dave Mustaine in a recent interview. "I can't bear to watch what's happened to our great country. Everybody's got their head in the sand. Everybody in the industry is like, 'Oh, Obama's doing such a great job...' I don't think so. Not from what I see."

[The Anvil]

The irony of quoting Dave Mustaine in this context gave me a literal chuckle...

"I'm just hoping that whatever is in the White House next year is a Republican," said Megadeth mainman Dave Mustaine in a recent interview. "I can't bear to watch what's happened to our great country. Everybody's got their head in the sand. Everybody in the industry is like, 'Oh, Obama's doing such a great job...' I don't think so. Not from what I see."

The song predates Megadave losing his mind and hanging out with Alex Jones by a out 20 years. 

[The Anvil]

I think you've short changed romney,

Please remember, I work in the state where he served as governor and live just over the border. I'm very familiar with the man and his politics having seen them close up for years. I'm not shortchanging him at all. He's a stuffed suit.

obamacare provides incentives to companies to hire part time, hence nearly 7/8 of all jobs created since january are part time. that part is NOT rocket science.

Yeah but people keep blaming that on the ACA but there are a lot of reasons for that. It was quite likely that it was going to happen that way anyway as there were already incentives for hiring part-timers instead of full-timers.

lower taxes have spawned economic growth, I can illustrate several examples. it has worked every time, can you provide an example where it hasn't?

That wasn't the point I was making. The point was that simply lowering taxes is not the answer and that's all Republicans seem to be interested in doing. Noone should be taxed into oblivion. Not private citizens OR corporations. However, when times call for it the burden should be fairly distributed.

none of the economic policies being tried currently are working. unless obama is trying to make it crash (gasp)

Because this administration is clueless when it comes to this subject. You haven't really heard me defend Obama on the economy, have you?

[Serk]

The irony of quoting Dave Mustaine in this context gave me a literal chuckle...

"I'm just hoping that whatever is in the White House next year is a Republican," said Megadeth mainman Dave Mustaine in a recent interview. "I can't bear to watch what's happened to our great country. Everybody's got their head in the sand. Everybody in the industry is like, 'Oh, Obama's doing such a great job...' I don't think so. Not from what I see."

The song predates Megadave losing his mind and hanging out with Alex Jones by a out 20 years. 

Being a metal head from the 80's, I'm very familiar with the song and Megadeth and Dave Mustaine's history... I just found it funny that, evidently, he's found his new way...

And for the record, I refuse to see Megadeth in concert until he just gets over it and starts performing The Conjuring again.

[The Anvil]

The irony of quoting Dave Mustaine in this context gave me a literal chuckle...

"I'm just hoping that whatever is in the White House next year is a Republican," said Megadeth mainman Dave Mustaine in a recent interview. "I can't bear to watch what's happened to our great country. Everybody's got their head in the sand. Everybody in the industry is like, 'Oh, Obama's doing such a great job...' I don't think so. Not from what I see."

The song predates Megadave losing his mind and hanging out with Alex Jones by a out 20 years. 

Being a metal head from the 80's, I'm very familiar with the song and Megadeth and Dave Mustaine's history... I just found it funny that, evidently, he's found his new way...

And for the record, I refuse to see Megadeth in concert until he just gets over it and starts performing The Conjuring again.

I saw them back on the SFSGSW tour with Warlock and Sanctuary opening. They actually did Looking Down the Cross on that tour which is maybe my favorite Megadeth song (even if the original recording is crappy). That will probably never happen again. 

[musclehead]

I think you've short changed romney,

Please remember, I work in the state where he served as governor and live just over the border. I'm very familiar with the man and his politics having seen them close up for years. I'm not shortchanging him at all. He's a stuffed suit.

obamacare provides incentives to companies to hire part time, hence nearly 7/8 of all jobs created since january are part time. that part is NOT rocket science.

Yeah but people keep blaming that on the ACA but there are a lot of reasons for that. It was quite likely that it was going to happen that way anyway as there were already incentives for hiring part-timers instead of full-timers.

lower taxes have spawned economic growth, I can illustrate several examples. it has worked every time, can you provide an example where it hasn't?

That wasn't the point I was making. The point was that simply lowering taxes is not the answer and that's all Republicans seem to be interested in doing. Noone should be taxed into oblivion. Not private citizens OR corporations. However, when times call for it the burden should be fairly distributed.

none of the economic policies being tried currently are working. unless obama is trying to make it crash (gasp)

Because this administration is clueless when it comes to this subject. You haven't really heard me defend Obama on the economy, have you?

your right, taxes should be fair, fairtax.org