Affordable Care Act possibly a good thing ?

[G-Man]

If young people do not enroll in sufficient numbers then, as before the ACA,
rates will go up. That's good old Capitalism.

But, according to the Pres. and Nancy Pelosi, now young people don't have to work and worry about paying for healthcare.  They can work on poetry, have kids they can't afford, write songs,........ all without having to worry about paying for healthcare.


Is it me, or are there mixed messages going out?  The ACA needs young people to sign up, but for the young and working, the rates are silly high.  But then they hear the above crap from Pelosi, and now they don't have to work to pay for their insurance because it will be subsidized so they can learn guitar. 

WTF ? ? ?

[G-Man]

  Happy for you C908 that this has been helpful for you.  I can understand the stress caused by no insurance and waiting for the calamity to happen.  A great country like ours should help out with these kind of problems. 

  These programs may have a lot of faults, but efforts should continue to be made to support and assist people like you. 

  We all want to avoid fraud in these programs, but to deny the truly deserving in those efforts is a mistake.

But to hurt all those people under those 5,000,000+ cancelled policies, decrease providers reimbursements by >20%, and raise taxes on the Taxed Enough Already is appropriate in your mind, to help the deserving?

The deserving, BTW, who were already being helped by gov't and private programs and pro bono services by providers. 

And so far, here's the kicker,..........  over 5 million policies cancelled, 3.5ish signed up (not paid for), leaves a deficet of at least 1.5 million MORE uninsured.  And the mojority of those 3.5 million are subsidized plans, so this whole thing is an economic failure, at this time.  And the fines levied for those that don't sign up won't be able to make up for the deficet. 

Really, there isn't a better way to help the deserving?

[G-Man]

"... but how many has it hurt?"
==============================================

That is a good question, Bighead.

................

My main point is that I PERSONALLY do not know anyone who has been hurt as the result of signing up for the ACA.

RHETORICAL QUESTION: I wonder, how many families do folks PERSONALLY know who have in fact
been hurt by signing up for the ACA. I am not challenging anyone to answer this question.
I am submitting it for your consideration.

I'm amazed that you actually put this in print. 

This is the SAME as the Holocost denier's rhetoric.  They didn't know of anyone who was slaughtered, so it didn't happen.  Very Harry Reid of you.

Harry Reid Denies All Obamacare 'Horror Stories'; 'All Are Untrue'



(No, i'm not comparing anyone or anything to Nazi Germany, just using the strongest example of denying I could think of)

[G-Man]

"... but how many has it hurt?"
==============================================

That is a good question, Bighead.

Before replying I counted in my mind how many actual people do I REALLY know who signed up with the ACA
and say they are satisfied. I counted 9 families.

I've seen people on TV programs saying that they've "been hurt by OBAMACARE."
I will not discount nor dispute their experiences.

My main point is that I PERSONALLY do not know anyone who has been hurt as the result of signing up for the ACA.

RHETORICAL QUESTION: I wonder, how many families do folks PERSONALLY know who have in fact
been hurt by signing up for the ACA. I am not challenging anyone to answer this question.
I am submitting it for your consideration.

I know that some of us have been PERSONALLY hurt by the ACA and I do not discount your feelings on the matter.

I am thinking that the pros and cons of the ACA differ from one state to another.
Some state Governors have chosen to not accept Fed money for Medicaid expansion.
Good, bad or indifferent, that too impacts the level of service that your state residents receive.

RIDE SAFE

And BTW, you do know folks who are on the shortside of the stick, your fellow BROTHERS in our club who have posted about doubling rates and lost policies. 

Who do you believe, Harry, or your BROTHERS?

[DIGGER]

My 89 yr old mother had chest pains last week.    She was admitted to the hospital emergency rooma and then to a room.    She has Medicare and a supplemental policy.    At this point all is paid for.

Then after tests were ran and they checked her out they discharged her and she went home....Next day she had chest pains again and they readmitted her to the ER and ended up putting a stint in a 70% clogged artery.      Every thing is paid for up to this point.     

Then she went home and next day she started throwing up and dehydrating due to the blood thinner they had her on.    Readmitted to the hospital where they changed her meds and put her into a room ""UNDER OBSERVATION"".    She was in the room 3 days "UNDER OBSERVATION" as they changed and tried different meds to stop the stomach problem.  NOW we are finding out  that "UNDER OBSERVATION may not be covered under the new OBOZO ACA through Medicare.    Looks like we will be paying a large sum to the Hospital if this is true.

[bassman]

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303376904579135732284488114

[Skinhead]

So people with medicare get stuck with these bills due to llopholes in the ACA.  Those covered under meidcare have to pay this out of pocket, my question is who is going to pay for those who are now covered by the ACA, but can't afford to pay their premiums and get gov subsidies, and can't afford to pay the out of pocket?  How the F*KC is this huge tear up of our health care an improvement??

Go ahead Paxton, I'm listening.

[LandElephant]

The loophole in Medicare was the "Readmitting" within 30 days of dicharge.  Suppose to stop fraud according to ACA. Let's remember thst $718 billion was stripped out of Medicare to help pay for ACA.

Again glad you both got insurance. But in the long run many of us a getting shafted. Here let me give this example:

I work for a "large" company (over 100 employees by definition). In 2007 using the same insurance company and plan I was diagnosed with mouth and throat cancer.  Aggressive plan remove the cancer that when completed cost $163, 000. Total out of pocket cost about $4, 000.

Under my now ACA compliant policy I have to pick up the first $1, 000 of cost and then 20% of the rest for a total of $32, 400. Because my company sponsored plan is equilvalent to ACA Silver plan. Sat through a full day of understand the changes to my company heath care plan.

No substidies just the government shaft. You guys got that kind of cash laying around. Thanks what you are going to start hearing when that part of the ACA law kicks in.

Charlie Morse
Land Elephant

[Jess Tolbirt]

"... but how many has it hurt?"
==============================================

That is a good question, Bighead.

................

My main point is that I PERSONALLY do not know anyone who has been hurt as the result of signing up for the ACA.

RHETORICAL QUESTION: I wonder, how many families do folks PERSONALLY know who have in fact
been hurt by signing up for the ACA. I am not challenging anyone to answer this question.
I am submitting it for your consideration.

I'm amazed that you actually put this in print. 

This is the SAME as the Holocost denier's rhetoric.  They didn't know of anyone who was slaughtered, so it didn't happen.  Very Harry Reid of you.

Harry Reid Denies All Obamacare 'Horror Stories'; 'All Are Untrue'



(No, i'm not comparing anyone or anything to Nazi Germany, just using the strongest example of denying I could think of)

i must be on your ignore list,,or you have read none of my post over this lately

[Varmintmist]

The big problem with guessing who gets hurt is that the first part of Ocare has NOT been implemented fully yet. It keeps getting delayed. They dont even know if they can meet the goal of 7M signed up and paid for persons, which is due at the end of this month. I no young people sign up, where do you think the money for this welfare program will come from?

[MP]

Now, they are so proud of it, and how good it is, that they are DELAYING parts of it for TWO MORE YEARS!

Why?

Because if they did not, about 11 Million Policy cancellations would be going out by Oct. 1 of this year, right before the election!

If the Dems thought it was sooooooo   good, why are they afraid of it?

Only one answer, it HURTS a lot more people than it helps.  They are afraid of losing votes.

Simple.

MP

[G-Man]

"... but how many has it hurt?"
==============================================

That is a good question, Bighead.

................

My main point is that I PERSONALLY do not know anyone who has been hurt as the result of signing up for the ACA.

RHETORICAL QUESTION: I wonder, how many families do folks PERSONALLY know who have in fact
been hurt by signing up for the ACA. I am not challenging anyone to answer this question.
I am submitting it for your consideration.

I'm amazed that you actually put this in print.  

This is the SAME as the Holocost denier's rhetoric.  They didn't know of anyone who was slaughtered, so it didn't happen.  Very Harry Reid of you.

Harry Reid Denies All Obamacare 'Horror Stories'; 'All Are Untrue'



(No, i'm not comparing anyone or anything to Nazi Germany, just using the strongest example of denying I could think of)

i must be on your ignore list,,or you have read none of my post over this lately

But he doesn't personally know you, so you don't count.   

[Paxton]

QUOTE from G-Man:
"...Is it me, or are there mixed messages going out?"

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

G-Man; Well, you asked: One does not have to be a mental giant to answer your question.  ???
WTF??? you ask? Well err... Yes, it is definitely you. And yes, I do dare to put this in print.  

Now, take your meds, go to your shed and spit shine your Valk.
Come back after you know "WTF" you are talkin' about.

RIDE SAFE

[Odin1]

 The people who signed up for got their subsities, that's why they are are happy with it, talk to the people who did not sign up for it and had their private insurance drasticly changed, thats who you need to ask, not somebody who's getting taxpayer subsidized benefits, who's going to complain about getting free stuff.

[old2soon]

The people who signed up for got their subsities, that's why they are are happy with it, talk to the people who did not sign up for it and had their private insurance drasticly changed, thats who you need to ask, not somebody who's getting taxpayer subsidized benefits, who's going to complain about getting free stuff.

You sir have hit that metal fastener dead square center. Kinda makes me wonder WHO gonna pull the wagon when everyone else is waiting to ride. RIDE SAFE.

[Patrick]

There have been some good questions asked, but, of course, they haven't been answered.

Even 'Zeke' ,the head architect of this mess, says the problems will not be corrected with the system running properly until 2020.

[98valk]

Bill to Make the Fine $0 for Violating the Individual Mandate Passes by 90 Votes
The House of Representatives passed legislation Wednesday afternoon to make the fine/"tax" for violating Obamacare's individual mandate $0 for this year, and it did so by the wide margin of 90 votes (250 to 160).  That's 83 more than the 7-vote margin (219 to 212) by which Obamacare passed the House four Marches ago.  Moreover, 27 Democrats voted for today's legislation—27 more than the number of Republicans who voted for Obamacare when it passed.  In all, 223 Republicans voted for today's bill, while only one—Paul Broun of Georgia—voted against it.  Here's the member-by-member tally for the vote.

Earlier today, the Obama White House released a 3-paragraph statement on the legislation, noting that Obamacare "helps millions of Americans stay on their parents' plans until age 26"—which, of course, has nothing to do with the individual mandate or the fine/"tax" for violating it—and saying that if President Obama were presented with the legislation, "he would veto it."

Given the wide margin by which the legislation passed the House, along with the significant level of bipartisan support with which it passed, perhaps the Senate will actually take a vote, pass the bill, and give Obama that chance.  That would provide a welcome reminder to the American people of the extent to which Obama's centerpiece legislation relies upon coercion.

But it also relies on lawlessness—a fact that is becoming more apparent by the day.  Within hours of threatening to veto this legislative change to Obamacare, Obama announced that he is again making an executive change to Obamacare, in plain defiance of the legislative text, the rule of law, and the constitutional separation of powers.  No wonder left-leaning constitutional scholar Jonathan Turley says that we are at "a constitutional tipping point" and that Congress must act to stop this president's "dangerous," "destabilizing" "aggregation of power."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/bill-make-fine-0-violating-individual-mandate-passes-90-votes_784223.html

[..]

QUOTE from G-Man:
"...Is it me, or are there mixed messages going out?"

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

G-Man; Well, you asked: One does not have to be a mental giant to answer your question.  ???
WTF??? you ask? Well err... Yes, it is definitely you. And yes, I do dare to put this in print.  

Now, take your meds, go to your shed and spit shine your Valk.
Come back after you know "WTF" you are talkin' about.

RIDE SAFE

Nice Paxton.

Showing some class.

Howabout getting into an honest discussion with those who ask questions of you instead of snipe and run?

[Big Al of Tennessee]

Only 1 out of ten uninsured plan to get covered under Obamcare.

Universal Single Payer health care is their goal.

Government is like heroin, once addicted to it, you are not likely to get off either.

[G-Man]

QUOTE from G-Man:
"...Is it me, or are there mixed messages going out?"

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

G-Man; Well, you asked: One does not have to be a mental giant to answer your question.  ???
WTF??? you ask? Well err... Yes, it is definitely you. And yes, I do dare to put this in print.  

Now, take your meds, go to your shed and spit shine your Valk.
Come back after you know "WTF" you are talkin' about.

RIDE SAFE

That's the best you've got?  I point out incredible irony and hypocrisy in your posts and you come back with "take your meds" ??  How liberal of you!      

[Hooter]

Mines is $1,100.00 a month and have a $5,000.00 deductable. How do you afford that crap. It eats over half my pay check just to have insurance. Ya, this was a good thing!  Good FREAKIN thing my bikes are paid for. 

[NICKYBOY]

The real winners are the healthcare industry and the rich.

And they are one and the same

[Bighead]

The real winners are the healthcare industry and the rich.

And they are one and the same

I will bet you will find more Doctors opposed to it than for it.

[Valkernaut]

I think ACA will end up being of benefit to all of us- - we won't be allowed to go to our doctor everytime we sneeze, to be loaded up with antibodics that are helping destroy our immune systems. We might smarten up and start eating healthier(which should bolster our own systems).
We might ALL wind up healthier AND, with Gay marriage helping alleviate the over population situation, we should just keep getting better & better!!

Jim

[Bighead]

REALLY.

[Skinhead]

with Gay marriage helping alleviate the over population situation,Jim

Who's gonna pay for all us old folks obamacare?

[Jess from VA]

Affordable Care Act possibly a good thing ?

I do not believe it is even POSSIBLY a good thing.

State sponsored grand larceny and fraud and dreaming.

Again, we have dogma over reason and common sense.

Give me an example of sweeping change ever being good?  On a national scale, change should be slow and gradual and intelligent and studied along the way......... for the common good.

As opposed to being ambushed, tied over a bench and sodomized........ and at ridiculous expense.

[musclehead]

I think ACA will end up being of benefit to all of us- - we won't be allowed to go to our doctor everytime we sneeze, to be loaded up with antibodics that are helping destroy our immune systems. We might smarten up and start eating healthier(which should bolster our own systems).
We might ALL wind up healthier AND, with Gay marriage helping alleviate the over population situation, we should just keep getting better & better!!

Jim

I think my sarcasm meter is broken 

[fudgie]

My 89 yr old mother had chest pains last week.    She was admitted to the hospital emergency rooma and then to a room.    She has Medicare and a supplemental policy.    At this point all is paid for.

Then after tests were ran and they checked her out they discharged her and she went home....Next day she had chest pains again and they readmitted her to the ER and ended up putting a stint in a 70% clogged artery.      Every thing is paid for up to this point.     

Then she went home and next day she started throwing up and dehydrating due to the blood thinner they had her on.    Readmitted to the hospital where they changed her meds and put her into a room ""UNDER OBSERVATION"".    She was in the room 3 days "UNDER OBSERVATION" as they changed and tried different meds to stop the stomach problem.  NOW we are finding out  that "UNDER OBSERVATION may not be covered under the new OBOZO ACA through Medicare.    Looks like we will be paying a large sum to the Hospital if this is true.

Medicare is a Law, just like ACA. What medicare dont pay for, by the way from what you stated her condition seems to meet medicare's 'medically neccesary' clause, her supplimental ins 'should' pick up. Under obsv is a universal term used alot. When it comes down to admittion/billing there will be a admitting diagnosis. The hospital wants paid so they wont use under obsv. If they do medicare will send it back and say need clirafication. Or it will be denied. Also medicare will read her charts and decide from there.