The good Sgt. has been released

[Serk]

[Jack]

Yes, send him home and try him for desertion. Try his dad for treason.  Impeach President Obama.

[Chrisj CMA]

As hard as it is for me to say this.  I am glad we got him back, he is an American.  He and his father have the right to feel and believe what they want.  I served to protect that right and even if I dont agree with someone I still defend their right to their beliefs/feelings.  However, as a uniformed military member he should have to face the consequences for his actions.  

It is disgusting how this administration picks and chooses which laws to follow and how they choose to get involved in a crisis only if it benefits their agenda.

We really need to keep the pressure up to hold this "president" accountable.  Hey, there is plenty more room in Guantanamo now.  He could get his own private wing

[HayHauler]

As hard as it is for me to say this.  I am glad we got him back, he is an American.  He and his father have the right to feel and believe what they want.  I served to protect that right and even if I dont agree with someone I still defend their right to their beliefs/feelings.  However, as a uniformed military member he should have to face the consequences for his actions.  

It is disgusting how this administration picks and chooses which laws to follow and how they choose to get involved in a crisis only if it benefits their agenda.

We really need to keep the pressure up to hold this "president" accountable.  Hey, there is plenty more room in Guantanamo now.  He could get his own private wing

Exactly how I feel.  I was one that thought he was captured through combat and not until a couple of months ago found out about the walking out of the area.
Glad he will be back, but needs to be prosecuted for his actions.

Hay 
Jimmyt

[Serk]

I'm always glad when an American, no matter who they are, is coming home, but...

The timing is very "Wag the Dog" suspicious...

Obama was getting hammered by the VA murders, the weekend news cycle would have been nothing but how big government run health care DOES have death panels, and there is a body count attached to it, after the "resignation" of Shinseki. Suddenly, a feel good story comes out at JUST the right time to make the talking heads talk about something else entirely...

Very suspicious...

[Jeff K]

I'm always glad when an American, no matter who they are, is coming home, but...

The timing is very "Wag the Dog" suspicious...

Obama was getting hammered by the VA murders, the weekend news cycle would have been nothing but how big government run health care DOES have death panels, and there is a body count attached to it, after the "resignation" of Shinseki. Suddenly, a feel good story comes out at JUST the right time to make the talking heads talk about something else entirely...

Very suspicious...

But if they were merely looking for a wag the dog they should have gotten Mexico to let the hostage they are holding go free. Cheaper in all respects, and better "feel good" for the public.

[Serk]

I'm always glad when an American, no matter who they are, is coming home, but...

The timing is very "Wag the Dog" suspicious...

Obama was getting hammered by the VA murders, the weekend news cycle would have been nothing but how big government run health care DOES have death panels, and there is a body count attached to it, after the "resignation" of Shinseki. Suddenly, a feel good story comes out at JUST the right time to make the talking heads talk about something else entirely...

Very suspicious...

But if they were merely looking for a wag the dog they should have gotten Mexico to let the hostage they are holding go free. Cheaper in all respects, and better "feel good" for the public.

Two birds, one stone?

[musclehead]

Well, I hope he is treated fairly by the military legal machine.  Sounds like it could go several directions at this point.

STAY TUNED

if you can get an unvarnished version of what happened form the source, share what you can.

[Jess from VA]

I agree with you Serk.  Timing is everything (thou he needs any good news he can get on a continuing basis).

I will wait for the full facts to become known. (so should everyone) (it'll take awhile)

If he is charged, it will be with what can be proved.  

Most AWOLs only get an Article 15 (but most are only a few hours, days, week).  Desertion in the face of the enemy carries, Death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct.

Zero can put his thumb on the scales; he is the chief convening authority for all Military criminal law. Military courts are not Article III Federal courts but derive from presidential authority (Art I).
(and he can always pardon.. anytime)

But I would expect this to play out like any other military investigation, until and unless he does.

[old2soon]

I agree with you Serk.  Timing is everything (thou he needs any good news he can get on a continuing basis).

I will wait for the full facts to become known. (so should everyone) (it'll take awhile)

If he is charged, it will be with what can be proved.  

Most AWOLs only get an Article 15 (but most are only a few hours, days, week).  Desertion in the face of the enemy carries, Death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct.

Zero can put his thumb on the scales; he is the chief convening authority for all Military criminal law. Military courts are not Article III Federal courts but derive from presidential authority (Art I).
(and he can always pardon.. anytime)

But I would expect this to play out like any other military investigation, until and unless he does.

This like Benghazi they will try to sweep under the rug. Although that rug is becoming the tallest mountain around.  Suspicious of the timing??? ME????  RIDE SAFE.

[old2soon]

According to what I just read on my Bing home page his own platoon members are questioning his status as a P O W. His former platoon members believe he went A W O L. Desertion in time of war has some serious consequences. I'm happy he is in CONUS but seems to me there are a lot of questions on both sides of the fence here. With the current potus making up the rules as he goes along how much longer can we put up with his BULLSHIT????? And zackly WHEN did it become alright to negotiate with terrorists? IF he is a deserter IF this is PROVEN true-desertion-what this administration has done is a knee in the nards of everyone who ever wore a uniform of the U S Forces. Myself-I hope and PRAY he was captured-NOT desertion-BUT I said earlier this might end up under the proverbial rug.  AND when it comes out of deception central I question the truth of anything that comes out of there. RIDE SAFE.

[The emperor has no clothes]

According to what I just read on my Bing home page his own platoon members are questioning his status as a P O W. His former platoon members believe he went A W O L. Desertion in time of war has some serious consequences. I'm happy he is in CONUS but seems to me there are a lot of questions on both sides of the fence here. With the current potus making up the rules as he goes along how much longer can we put up with his BULLSHIT????? And zackly WHEN did it become alright to negotiate with terrorists? IF he is a deserter IF this is PROVEN true-desertion-what this administration has done is a knee in the nards of everyone who ever wore a uniform of the U S Forces. Myself-I hope and PRAY he was captured-NOT desertion-BUT I said earlier this might end up under the proverbial rug.  AND when it comes out of deception central I question the truth of anything that comes out of there. RIDE SAFE.

Didn't Reagan negotiate with the Iranians?

[czuch]

I'm glad he's on his way home.
The timing and zero walking away arm in arm with the koran quoting Dad kinda needs more ice to keep from totally stinkin up the joint. Its all a photo op and distraction.
I prayed he would be freed. I'm glad he is.  Hold to the future to see what transpires.

[MP]

According to what I just read on my Bing home page his own platoon members are questioning his status as a P O W. His former platoon members believe he went A W O L. Desertion in time of war has some serious consequences. I'm happy he is in CONUS but seems to me there are a lot of questions on both sides of the fence here. With the current potus making up the rules as he goes along how much longer can we put up with his BULLSHIT????? And zackly WHEN did it become alright to negotiate with terrorists? IF he is a deserter IF this is PROVEN true-desertion-what this administration has done is a knee in the nards of everyone who ever wore a uniform of the U S Forces. Myself-I hope and PRAY he was captured-NOT desertion-BUT I said earlier this might end up under the proverbial rug.  AND when it comes out of deception central I question the truth of anything that comes out of there. RIDE SAFE.

Didn't Reagan negotiate with the Iranians?

Doesn't Zero keep bragging about the agreements he has SIGNED with the Iranians?

[old2soon]

According to what I just read on my Bing home page his own platoon members are questioning his status as a P O W. His former platoon members believe he went A W O L. Desertion in time of war has some serious consequences. I'm happy he is in CONUS but seems to me there are a lot of questions on both sides of the fence here. With the current potus making up the rules as he goes along how much longer can we put up with his BULLSHIT????? And zackly WHEN did it become alright to negotiate with terrorists? IF he is a deserter IF this is PROVEN true-desertion-what this administration has done is a knee in the nards of everyone who ever wore a uniform of the U S Forces. Myself-I hope and PRAY he was captured-NOT desertion-BUT I said earlier this might end up under the proverbial rug.  AND when it comes out of deception central I question the truth of anything that comes out of there. RIDE SAFE.

Didn't Reagan negotiate with the Iranians?

Yes he did. Also led to iran/contra. Thanks for calling me on it. RIDE SAFE.

[Master Blaster]

Face it this is win win for Obama.  Like said above, tones down the VA debacle, sets a precedence to empty GITMO, gets him out from under the shadow of military tribunals for these dirtbags,  aids and assists the enemy, he has already armed them now he is sending them some new leadership.  Emboldens the enemy to take more prisoners to use as bargaining chips, maybe the blind sheik next.  Does anyone really believe that he is not a closet Muslim????   There is absolutely no level too low for this scum to stoop to achieve his agenda.   Also don't forget the Benghazi thing was heating up again, and he absolutely cant have the truth come out about that.

[CaribouHunter]

I would not have traded a dead cat for this un-American cowardly traitor.  He is a deserter, and was not captured by the Taliban, he took off his uniform, left his post, and joined the Taliban.  He should be tried and hung by the neck until he is dead.  And his father is no better, the entire family is un-
American, why obumer likes them so much, they are just like him. 

[MP]

I agree with you Serk.  Timing is everything (thou he needs any good news he can get on a continuing basis).

I will wait for the full facts to become known. (so should everyone) (it'll take awhile)

If he is charged, it will be with what can be proved.  

Most AWOLs only get an Article 15 (but most are only a few hours, days, week).  Desertion in the face of the enemy carries, Death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct.

Zero can put his thumb on the scales; he is the chief convening authority for all Military criminal law. Military courts are not Article III Federal courts but derive from presidential authority (Art I).
(and he can always pardon.. anytime)

But I would expect this to play out like any other military investigation, until and unless he does.

IMHO, there is NO WAY there will be any charge, much less prosecution.  After making a big deal out of it, having parents on the WH lawn, and taking the heat for releasing the worst of the worst terrorists, there is ZERO chance that he will be brought up on charges! 

MP

[specialdose]

I reserved comment on this situation when the thread first started yesterday. After reading all I could find,so far, this just does not pass the smell test. Hope the truth comes out for the sake of the soldiers that lost their lives searching for him as well as for their families.

                                                                                                                                Larry, Vietnam Vet 67-68

[The emperor has no clothes]

According to what I just read on my Bing home page his own platoon members are questioning his status as a P O W. His former platoon members believe he went A W O L. Desertion in time of war has some serious consequences. I'm happy he is in CONUS but seems to me there are a lot of questions on both sides of the fence here. With the current potus making up the rules as he goes along how much longer can we put up with his BULLSHIT????? And zackly WHEN did it become alright to negotiate with terrorists? IF he is a deserter IF this is PROVEN true-desertion-what this administration has done is a knee in the nards of everyone who ever wore a uniform of the U S Forces. Myself-I hope and PRAY he was captured-NOT desertion-BUT I said earlier this might end up under the proverbial rug.  AND when it comes out of deception central I question the truth of anything that comes out of there. RIDE SAFE.

Didn't Reagan negotiate with the Iranians?

Yes he did. Also led to iran/contra. Thanks for calling me on it. RIDE SAFE.

no problem O2S. Not trying to stick up for Obama, just trying to keep things in perspective. I personally don't know if it was the right thing to do negotiating for his release. But I do know if they didn't and the Taliban broadcasted his beheading, EVERYONE would be all over his ass for not getting that kid out of there.

[Patrick]

With all the new info [ new to me anyway] I should be surprised, but, for some reason I'm not.

CNN just reported the man is to be promoted next week.

[PAVALKER]

With all the new info [ new to me anyway] I should be surprised, but, for some reason I'm not.

CNN just reported the man is to be promoted next week.

I read or saw that he was promoted twice since he was gone?   

[Serk]

With all the new info [ new to me anyway] I should be surprised, but, for some reason I'm not.

CNN just reported the man is to be promoted next week.

I read or saw that he was promoted twice since he was gone?   

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/06/17/afghanistan.captured.soldier/

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

Bowe and his family are personal friends of mine.. its gonna be PARTY TIME here next month at the already scheduled rally for supporters of him being released.

The Deserter and The Welsh .... Isn't That Special .

[The emperor has no clothes]

Bowe and his family are personal friends of mine.. its gonna be PARTY TIME here next month at the already scheduled rally for supporters of him being released.

The Deserter and The Welsh .... Isn't That Special .

( I think it would be welch) but maybe Clark is from Britain also.

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

Bowe and his family are personal friends of mine.. its gonna be PARTY TIME here next month at the already scheduled rally for supporters of him being released.

The Deserter and The Welsh .... Isn't That Special .

( I think it would be welch) but maybe Clark is from Britain also.

http://www.yourdictionary.com/welsh

[The emperor has no clothes]

Bowe and his family are personal friends of mine.. its gonna be PARTY TIME here next month at the already scheduled rally for supporters of him being released.

The Deserter and The Welsh .... Isn't That Special .

( I think it would be welch) but maybe Clark is from Britain also.

http://www.yourdictionary.com/welsh

I should have known better than to ? your vocabulary (it was still pretty funny)

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

Bowe and his family are personal friends of mine.. its gonna be PARTY TIME here next month at the already scheduled rally for supporters of him being released.

The Deserter and The Welsh .... Isn't That Special .

( I think it would be welch) but maybe Clark is from Britain also.

http://www.yourdictionary.com/welsh

I should have known better than to ? your vocabulary (it was still pretty funny)

If you check it out I think it works both ways " c "  or " s " . No biggie it was nice seeing Spudman take backwater AGAIN 

[The emperor has no clothes]

Come on Clark, you gotta step in here and defend your honor

[Jess from VA]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/02/we-lost-soldiers-in-the-hunt-for-bergdahl-a-guy-who-walked-off-in-the-dead-of-night.html

[Clark]

is Josie still whining about the fact that he/she wasn't smart enough to understand a simple sentence??  

[The emperor has no clothes]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/02/we-lost-soldiers-in-the-hunt-for-bergdahl-a-guy-who-walked-off-in-the-dead-of-night.html

Interesting article , doesn't look good for this kid.

[Clark]

I am convinced he walked off his post.. rumor has it daddyO sold the story to rolling stone for $250,000.00  I cant confirm that but I do know that right after the article he retired.. After Obama makes him out as a hero I would be willing to bet anyone who is intelligent enough to understand the bet..sorry Josie that excludes you, that there will be a movie.

[Paxton]

PATRICK'S QUOTE:
"... I agree. It'll take some one much smarter than me, I don't understand. We import about 20% of our oil [ last I knew] and we export at least that much that is produced here. This has never made sense to me, but, I'm a dumb chit so it needs to explained to me in very simple terms."

========================================================

Patrick;
Who'd waste time explaining crap to a dumb chit? It does not pass the smell test!

[Paxton]

The good Sgt went from hero to scumbag traitor in about 20 posts.

[musclehead]

With all the new info [ new to me anyway] I should be surprised, but, for some reason I'm not.

CNN just reported the man is to be promoted next week.

I read or saw that he was promoted twice since he was gone?   

that's interesting, also heard a report he wasn't listed as MIA.   

[musclehead]

The good Sgt went from hero to scumbag traitor in about 20 posts.

as details come out (like from his former brothers in arms) about his disappearance, it looks like he deserted.

I don't see the humor in that.

[MP]

The good Sgt went from hero to scumbag traitor in about 20 posts.

Glad you find trading a deserter for 5 worst of the worst funny.  Will you still be laughing as those 5 start murdering people in the future?  I hope not.

[musclehead]

lifted off the internet, somewhat unsourced  but it might be a first hand account from 'boots on the ground'

"Forwarded from Jeff Howard. "We were at OP Mest, Paktika Province, Afghanistan. It was a small outpost where B Co 1-501st INF (Airbone) ran operations out of, just an Infantry platoon and ANA counterparts there. The place was an Afghan graveyard. Bergdahl had been acting a little strange, telling people he wanted to "walk the earth" and kept a little journal talking about how he was meant for better things. No one thought anything about it. He was a little "out there". Next morning he's gone. We search everywhere, and can't find him. He left his weapon, his kit, and other sensitive items. He only took some water, a compass and a knife. We find some afghan kids shortly after who saw an american walking north asking about where the taliban are. We get hits on our voice intercepter that Taliban has him, and we were close. We come to realize the kid deserted his post, snuck out of camp and sought out Taliban... to join them. We were in a defensive position at OP Mest, where your focus is to keep people out. He knew where the blind spots were to slip out and that's what he did. It was supposed to be a 4-day mission but turned into several months of active searching. Everyone was spun up to find this guy. News outlets all over the country were putting out false information. It was hard to see, especially when we knew the truth about what happened and we lost good men trying to find him. PFC Matthew Michael Martinek, Staff Sgt. Kurt Robert Curtiss, SSG Clayton Bowen, PFC Morris Walker, SSG Michael Murphrey, 2LT Darryn Andrews, were all KIA from our unit who died looking for Bergdahl. Many others from various units were wounded or killed while actively looking for Bergdahl. Fighting Increased. IEDs and enemy ambushes increased. The Taliban knew that we were looking for him in high numbers and our movements were predictable. Because of Bergdahl, more men were out in danger, and more attacks on friendly camps and positions were conducted while we were out looking for him. His actions impacted the region more than anyone wants to admit. There is also no way to know what he told the Taliban: Our movements, locations, tactics, weak points on vehicles and other things for the enemy to exploit are just a few possibilities. The Government knows full well that he deserted. It looks bad and is a good propaganda piece for the Taliban. They refuse to acknowledge it. Hell they even promoted him to Sergeant which makes me sick. I feel for his family who only want their son/brother back. They don't know the truth, or refuse to acknowledge it as well. What he did affected his family and his whole town back home, who don't know the truth. Either way what matters is that good men died because of him. He has been lying on all those Taliban videos about everything since his "capture". If he ever returns, he should be tried under the UCMJ for being a deserter and judged for what he did. Bergdahl is not a hero, he is not a soldier or an Infantryman. He failed his brothers. Now, sons and daughters are growing up without their fathers who died for him and he will have to face that truth someday."

[musclehead]

on a side note I read one complaint from a lefty that we traded five guys that were costing us 2 million apiece to keep locked up for a guy that will be paying taxes.....

why are they concerned about expenditures they don't agree with (paltry millions) when their party gladly spent TRILLIONS of dollars we didn't have the first four years of this presidents first term?