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FLAVALK
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« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2015, 12:48:34 PM » |
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OUCH! That'll leave a mark on the bottom line.
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« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2015, 12:51:43 PM » |
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This leads to me to believe that my pet theory of why Beemers rear ends can catch fire has some credence.
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Former BMW Guy
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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2015, 06:42:26 PM » |
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A good torque wrench solves that problem
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Motorcycling is not, of itself, inherently dangerous.
It is however, extremely unforgiving of: inattention, ignorance, incompetence or stupidity.
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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2015, 06:48:39 PM » |
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A good torque wrench solves that problem
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« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2015, 07:50:24 PM » |
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Back in 64 and 65 when I was motocrossing in Japan the torque wrench I had got used a LOT. Only a 125 CC single cylinder but I was RACING. Got 2 in my current toolbox that see a LOT of use. The old days of 3 grunts and a groan and a half SHOULD be long gone-BUT looks like they ain't. Some manufactures would say you broke it you bought it. Kudos to Beemer.  RIDE SAFE. |
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Today is the tommorow you worried about yesterday. If at first you don't succeed screw it-save it for nite check. 1964 1968 U S Navy. Two cruises off Nam.
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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2015, 06:05:21 AM » |
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According to Consumer Reports the two most repair prone motorcycles are HD's and BMW's.
Interesting that the Corvette, until recently, was in the same category but all three brands have extreme owner loyalty.
I'll stick with Metrics (excluding BMW)
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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2015, 07:51:57 AM » |
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I notice those are all the single sided swingarm models. I will agree that a torque wrench would probably prevented the majority of those issues. As for the CR report, the majority of the repairs involved were, IMNSHO, from overly complicated systems that were added to the basic motorcycle. BMW's CANBUS electrical system is a pain to deal with. On the RT series you have to remove 60 lbs. of plastic to access the actual motorcycle. Took my almost an hour to get to the battery on my FIL's R1100RT. Electric windshield tilt adjustment is a neat idea, but how often to you really change it once you get it the way you like it. I've put thousands of miles on pre Y2K Beemers and currently own a custom '69 /2. They are mechanically reliable and, until recently, had a reputation for just that.
As for the new HD's, other than some seal issues that are usually corrected under warranty, I'm blaming the majority of the problems on user error or electrical problems with the accessories. The Riders I personally know with newer HD's, don't seem to have any major issues. The weekend warrior types that refuse to ride if there is a cloud in the sky or it's below 50 or above 90, tend to have more problems. I think most of their are because motorcycles should be ridden and not parked for long periods of time.
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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2015, 07:59:38 AM » |
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BMW is already in the process of contacting owners who will be notified as soon as possible and offered appointments to get the work done. It seems over tightening the rear wheel flange which mounts the rear brake disc to the swingarm can cause cracks and potential failure.
BMW is aware of ONE(1) failure to date as a result of these cracks forming from over tightening beyond the recommended torque settings.
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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2015, 08:01:20 AM » |
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As for the CR report, the majority of the repairs involved were, IMNSHO, from overly complicated systems that were added to the basic motorcycle QUOTE by Gryphon.
I agree. Mercedes repair record has gone up for the same reason. In fact, probably most problems are related to 'fancy' electrical add-ons that fit the category of 'It would be nice' rather than needed.
Maybe the simpler, the better, except for fuel injection, ABS, and other technical advancements.
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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2015, 11:49:08 AM » |
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According to Consumer Reports the two most repair prone motorcycles are HD's and BMW's.
Interesting that the Corvette, until recently, was in the same category but all three brands have extreme owner loyalty. When one assesses the accuracy of some of these reports one needs to consider how they gathered their data. People who have spent a larger amount on money on something such as a BMW, a Harley, or even a Corvette will be more likely to take it back to the dealer at the first hint of something rather than the behavior of what someone bought at a more bargain price. At the lowest end of the scale, folks who bought the cheapest possible will either learn to live ith what's wrong, fix it themselves, or just discard it. My guess is that there is a definite correlation between the rate of repair and the amount of disposable income to which a product relates. |
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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2015, 12:30:11 PM » |
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For what people have to pay for those machines there getting there monies worth, beside I'm sure BMW saw what happen to GM. Glad to see them step up before a bigger problem happens. |
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