Well, old Joe Biden was scared away.

[Jess from VA]

I'm sure her fans are quite pleased to hear this. 

Someone please throw some water on her, maybe she'll melt.  Couldn't hurt. 

[Serk]

Wondering what dirt the Clintons have on Obama that they threatened him with...

[Jess from VA]

Wondering what dirt the Clintons have on Obama that they threatened him with...

Cynicism........ I like how you think.      And you may be spot on. 

There is talk he is having emotional problems over the loss of a son.  Perhaps that is true. 

My take is, Biden was never a leader and he knows it.  Coming off eight years next to the hot seat, he probably just isn't up to sitting on it himself.   Of course Zero is no leader at all either (just a professional liar with an agenda).

Which brings us back to the other candidate.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Wondering what dirt the Clintons have on Obama that they threatened him with...

Cynicism........ I like how you think.      And you may be spot on. 

There is talk he is having emotional problems over the loss of a son.  Perhaps that is true. 

My take is, Biden was never a leader and he knows it.  Coming off eight years next to the hot seat, he probably just isn't up to sitting on it himself.   Of course Zero is no leader at all either (just a professional liar with an agenda).

Which brings us back to the other candidate.

Or we could talk about the candidates on the other side  Much more interesting   

[Gavin_Sons]

Wondering what dirt the Clintons have on Obama that they threatened him with...

Cynicism........ I like how you think.      And you may be spot on. 

There is talk he is having emotional problems over the loss of a son.  Perhaps that is true. 

My take is, Biden was never a leader and he knows it.  Coming off eight years next to the hot seat, he probably just isn't up to sitting on it himself.   Of course Zero is no leader at all either (just a professional liar with an agenda).

Which brings us back to the other candidate.

Or we could talk about the candidates on the other side  Much more interesting   

Yeah our side is more interesting, we dont have the liars and cheaters. Your sides bullshit got really old 7 years ago. I wouldn't take anything from obama or anyone affiliated with him even if he paid me to do so. Oh wait, he is forcing health care on people even when they dont want it and if you dont take it he charges you for it. Because of his crap our insurance (not obummer care) does not cover near as much as it use to. But yeah, lets vote in another jackass like him to ruin it for everyone.  Who ever does take over has their hands full reversing all this damage or continuing his crappy legacy.   

[The emperor has no clothes]

Wondering what dirt the Clintons have on Obama that they threatened him with...

Cynicism........ I like how you think.      And you may be spot on. 

There is talk he is having emotional problems over the loss of a son.  Perhaps that is true. 

My take is, Biden was never a leader and he knows it.  Coming off eight years next to the hot seat, he probably just isn't up to sitting on it himself.   Of course Zero is no leader at all either (just a professional liar with an agenda).

Which brings us back to the other candidate.

Or we could talk about the candidates on the other side  Much more interesting   

Yeah our side is more interesting, we dont have the liars and cheaters. Your sides bullshit got really old 7 years ago. I wouldn't take anything from obama or anyone affiliated with him even if he paid me to do so. Oh wait, he is forcing health care on people even when they dont want it and if you dont take it he charges you for it. Because of his crap our insurance (not obummer care) does not cover near as much as it use to. But yeah, lets vote in another jackass like him to ruin it for everyone.  Who ever does take over has their hands full reversing all this damage or continuing his crappy legacy.   

Hmm... I didn't realize republicans were pure as the driven snow. I have no side, I just find it rediculous how much hate there is for Obama. If the Republicans will put up a viable candidate they could beat Clinton. But it remains to be seen if they will ever do that again. But we will see.

[BF]

I just admire a presidential candidate that has the ability to make those snap decisions when the pressure is on.

I'm sure the Democratic debates would have been over in a matter of minutes with such rapid fire responses coming from the VP.

[Pete]

Probably one of the best decisions he has ever made. For him personally and certainly for the country.

[RP#62]

Obama must have told him the fix is in with DOJ that they won't go after Hillary no matter what the FBI finds so there's no longer any need for Joe to run.

-RP

[Alpha Dog]

Obama must have told him the fix is in with DOJ that they won't go after Hillary no matter what the FBI finds so there's no longer any need for Joe to run.

See you are thinking along my lines, just trying to connect the dots.  The day or night of the socialist debates ( Minus Jim Webb )   O, Biden, and Loretta Lynch had a meeting.  Speculation is on the evidence the FBI had on H.  Of course their have been leaks of Gross Negligence under the Espionage Act which would doom  her as it involves up to years of jail time.   Leaks from the FBI are they are mad as hell about O's 60 minutes comments that he did not think she did anything with her server to harm the US.  The FBI know different and are putting together the evidence.

My thoughts are that if Biden runs ( O does like him, hates the other ) then they would let the DOJ come after H.  If he decided not to run then the DOJ will have the FBI bug off.  Anyway she will be beaten bad by the the Republicans next year if she makes it that far, her trustworthy numbers are incredibly low.
Chuck

[baldo]

Wondering what dirt the Clintons have on Obama that they threatened him with...

Cynicism........ I like how you think.      And you may be spot on. 

There is talk he is having emotional problems over the loss of a son.  Perhaps that is true. 

My take is, Biden was never a leader and he knows it.  Coming off eight years next to the hot seat, he probably just isn't up to sitting on it himself.   Of course Zero is no leader at all either (just a professional liar with an agenda).

Which brings us back to the other candidate.

Or we could talk about the candidates on the other side  Much more interesting   

Yeah our side is more interesting, we dont have the liars and cheaters. Your sides bullshit got really old 7 years ago. I wouldn't take anything from obama or anyone affiliated with him even if he paid me to do so. Oh wait, he is forcing health care on people even when they dont want it and if you dont take it he charges you for it. Because of his crap our insurance (not obummer care) does not cover near as much as it use to. But yeah, lets vote in another jackass like him to ruin it for everyone.  Who ever does take over has their hands full reversing all this damage or continuing his crappy legacy.   

Lolol... ...Get used to it. Looking at 8 years of Dem control, hopefully 8 more after that. Unless the Repubs can find their candidates somewhere other than the circus....

[musclehead]

Wondering what dirt the Clintons have on Obama that they threatened him with...

Cynicism........ I like how you think.      And you may be spot on. 

There is talk he is having emotional problems over the loss of a son.  Perhaps that is true. 

My take is, Biden was never a leader and he knows it.  Coming off eight years next to the hot seat, he probably just isn't up to sitting on it himself.   Of course Zero is no leader at all either (just a professional liar with an agenda).

Which brings us back to the other candidate.

Or we could talk about the candidates on the other side  Much more interesting   

yeah, at least we have some minorities running in the repub camp, you were almost left with a choice between three old rich white 1%ers.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Wondering what dirt the Clintons have on Obama that they threatened him with...

Cynicism........ I like how you think.      And you may be spot on. 

There is talk he is having emotional problems over the loss of a son.  Perhaps that is true. 

My take is, Biden was never a leader and he knows it.  Coming off eight years next to the hot seat, he probably just isn't up to sitting on it himself.   Of course Zero is no leader at all either (just a professional liar with an agenda).

Which brings us back to the other candidate.

Or we could talk about the candidates on the other side  Much more interesting   

yeah, at least we have some minorities running in the repub camp, you were almost left with a choice between three old rich white 1%ers.

I'm not dissing the republican field. There are a few I would vote for. I'm just saying its a more interesting group to discuss. 

[Davemn]

I am glad I own a Valkyrie so I can keep up on the latest news.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I am glad I own a Valkyrie so I can keep up on the latest news.

just doing our part for world peace 

[Wizzard]

Great entertainment and wisdom on this forum. 

[rocketray]

google"what part of the media do the rothschilds own"  then dig to find the same owns all the reserve banks for the unaudited for over 100 years fed  then try "moneymasters.com"  mabe then try googling Hillary Clinton invite Bilderburg group...it is a very rich country club and we aren't in  it

[Daddie O]

In the Republican utopia the world would look like this:

There would be no minimum wage.  No weekends.  No lunch break.  No overtime.  No sick days.  No vacation.  No child labor laws.  No OSHA.  No unions.  All those do is kill jobs.

There would be no EPA.  No clean air.  No clean water.  No national parks, just oil fields.  More coal plants.  The world isn't here to enjoy and pass on, it is only here to be exploited.

There would be no public schools.  Either you make enough to afford private school, or just go work in the fields picking vegetables.  Only the richest should be afforded the chance for a higher education.  If your great grandparents weren't born here, or didn't come from the white parts of Europe, you should be deported.  If you are born here, but your parents weren't then you should not be an American citizen.

There would be no welfare.  No food stamps.  No unemployment.  You either work for whatever your employer wants to pay you in an unsafe work environment or starve to death.  If you have kids, you shouldn't have, because someday you might get laid off, and if you do then your kids should starve to death too.

There would be no social security.  If you didn't put away enough money working for pennies, or if some CEO games the market, it is your own damn fault..you should just wither and die hungry and homeless.

Those below the poverty line, those in the lower class and middle class (which should be destroyed) should pay more taxes so that billionaires and multinational corporations can make more.  The banks should not be regulated, they should gamble, and we should pay for their losses but reap none of the rewards.


Republican Utopia?  No thanks!

[czuch]

BWAHAAHAAHAAHAAAH^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
You really BELIEVE that^^^

[baldo]

Wondering what dirt the Clintons have on Obama that they threatened him with...

Cynicism........ I like how you think.      And you may be spot on. 

There is talk he is having emotional problems over the loss of a son.  Perhaps that is true. 

My take is, Biden was never a leader and he knows it.  Coming off eight years next to the hot seat, he probably just isn't up to sitting on it himself.   Of course Zero is no leader at all either (just a professional liar with an agenda).

Which brings us back to the other candidate.

Or we could talk about the candidates on the other side  Much more interesting   

yeah, at least we have some minorities running in the repub camp, you were almost left with a choice between three old rich white 1%ers.

I'm not dissing the republican field. There are a few I would vote for. I'm just saying its a more interesting group to discuss. 

You are quite the diplomat, meathead....

[baldo]

I am glad I own a Valkyrie so I can keep up on the latest news.

lol....

[BonS]

Obama must have told him the fix is in with DOJ that they won't go after Hillary no matter what the FBI finds so there's no longer any need for Joe to run.

-RP

I'll take the opposite bet. Joe will just wait until Hillary implodes with legal problems and then he'll step in as as last minute candidate to save the day. Much less scrutiny paid to him that way and he'll automatically get the Democratic party with Hillary's votes and the anti-Trump votes. Done.

[3fan4life]

In the Republican utopia the world would look like this:

There would be no minimum wage.  No weekends.  No lunch break.  No overtime.  No sick days.  No vacation.  No child labor laws.  No OSHA.  No unions.  All those do is kill jobs.

There would be no EPA.  No clean air.  No clean water.  No national parks, just oil fields.  More coal plants.  The world isn't here to enjoy and pass on, it is only here to be exploited.

There would be no public schools.  Either you make enough to afford private school, or just go work in the fields picking vegetables.  Only the richest should be afforded the chance for a higher education.  If your great grandparents weren't born here, or didn't come from the white parts of Europe, you should be deported.  If you are born here, but your parents weren't then you should not be an American citizen.

There would be no welfare.  No food stamps.  No unemployment.  You either work for whatever your employer wants to pay you in an unsafe work environment or starve to death.  If you have kids, you shouldn't have, because someday you might get laid off, and if you do then your kids should starve to death too.

There would be no social security.  If you didn't put away enough money working for pennies, or if some CEO games the market, it is your own damn fault..you should just wither and die hungry and homeless.

Those below the poverty line, those in the lower class and middle class (which should be destroyed) should pay more taxes so that billionaires and multinational corporations can make more.  The banks should not be regulated, they should gamble, and we should pay for their losses but reap none of the rewards.


Republican Utopia?  No thanks!

Now who's wearing a tinfoil hat?            Now who's wearing a tinfoil hat?          Now who's wearing a tinfoil hat?          Now who's wearing a tinfoil hat?            Now who's wearing a tinfoil hat?     

[Willow]

Joe's issue besides not really being electable is that eight years ago Barrack Obama and Hillary Clinton were the two leading candidates for the Democratic Party's nomination.  Obama surprised the Clinton machine but it was evident that a continuing competition was likely to hurt them both.  Bill Clinton and Barrack Obama went into a private meeting room with no witnesses.  What probably happened in there was an agreement that Hillary would step away and support Obama's campaign.  In return, Barrack Obama would give Hillary a political strengthening position and would agree to support if needed but certainly not oppose Hillary's run when it was her turn again.

The vice president could not count on the President's support.   

[The emperor has no clothes]

Joe's issue besides not really being electable is that eight years ago Barrack Obama and Hillary Clinton were the two leading candidates for the Democratic Party's nomination.  Obama surprised the Clinton machine but it was evident that a continuing competition was likely to hurt them both.  Bill Clinton and Barrack Obama went into a private meeting room with no witnesses.  What probably happened in there was an agreement that Hillary would step away and support Obama's campaign.  In return, Barrack Obama would give Hillary a political strengthening position and would agree to support if needed but certainly not oppose Hillary's run when it was her turn again.

The vice president could not count on the President's support.   

I was with you till your last statement.  I think what you said is very plausible but we will probably not know for a couple decades. But to say Biden isn't running because he can't count on Obama is a stretch. It seems pretty simple to me. Biden is a political animal, he could see that his chances at the nomination were pretty slim at best.

[Jess from VA]

I think Carl has a likely accurate point on a Zero/Clinton deal.  But I don't think not having Zero's full (or any) support would doom him at all (I think a large number of moderate Democrats, if there are any left, would prefer him to her).  Zero could throw for Clinton, but doubt he would ever badmouth Biden.  And of course if Biden ran, he'd need to take a position that things could be done better (without badmouthing Zero), and try and carve out his own individual platform (with some few small changes). 

It all depends on how Clinton's FBI/DOJ issues work out.  I thought Biden was out, then in (only) when they thought Clinton might be doomed, then backed out once the fix was in that nothing serious will happen to her.  And he can always jump in (at much lower cost and stress) late in the game, if something astounding like Federal charges were brought.  I don't know if he'd do it, but Zero could always give her a complete pardon.  (Watch the Beau Bergdahl case)

(You know, in the military, any reasonable security investigation of deeds like hers on duty/private servers with classified materials would certainly result in loss of any security clearance, and immediate loss of military job due to loss of clearance.  Even if no criminal charges were ever brought.  But she was only a Secretary of State, not an Army Sergeant. )

I don't think he really wants the job, but will (still) run if the party needs him. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

I think Carl has a likely accurate point on a Zero/Clinton deal.  But I don't think not having Zero's full (or any) support would doom him at all (I think a large number of moderate Democrats, if there are any left, would prefer him to her).  Zero could throw for Clinton, but doubt he would ever badmouth Biden.  And of course if Biden ran, he'd need to take a position that things could be done better (without badmouthing Zero), and try and carve out his own individual platform (with some few small changes). 

It all depends on how Clinton's FBI/DOJ issues work out.  I thought Biden was out, then in (only) when they thought Clinton might be doomed, then backed out once the fix was in that nothing serious will happen to her.  And he can always jump in (at much lower cost and stress) late in the game, if something astounding like Federal charges were brought.  I don't know if he'd do it, but Zero could always give her a complete pardon.  (Watch the Beau Bergdahl case)

(You know, in the military, any reasonable security investigation of deeds like hers on duty/private servers with classified materials would certainly result in loss of any security clearance, and immediate loss of military job due to loss of clearance.  Even if no criminal charges were ever brought.  But she was only a Secretary of State, not an Army Sergeant. )

I don't think he really wants the job, but will (still) run if the party needs him. 

Oh I think he wants the job ! But money and organization is so important these days. And most of it would be going to her. There really isn't that much substantive difference between them anyway.

[G-Man]

I just find it rediculous how much hate there is for Obama.

Selective memory?  I clearly remember the 8 years of Bush hate, and as an independent, I remember it being soooooo much worse.

[Wizzard]

I just find it rediculous how much hate there is for Obama.

Selective memory?  I clearly remember the 8 years of Bush hate, and as an independent, I remember it being soooooo much worse.

For sure

[The emperor has no clothes]

I just find it rediculous how much hate there is for Obama.

Selective memory?  I clearly remember the 8 years of Bush hate, and as an independent, I remember it being soooooo much worse.

For sure

I am sorry your guys sensabilities were hurt 10 years ago, but as our Mommas used to say "2 wrongs don't make a right" 

[Wizzard]

not really,, its just that a lot of folks can sure dish it out,, but can't take it.

[baldo]

I just find it rediculous how much hate there is for Obama.

Selective memory?  I clearly remember the 8 years of Bush hate, and as an independent, I remember it being soooooo much worse.

It might have been because he created such a target rich environment...sorry I missed it.

[Gavin_Sons]

I just find it rediculous how much hate there is for Obama.

Selective memory?  I clearly remember the 8 years of Bush hate, and as an independent, I remember it being soooooo much worse.

It might have been because he created such a target rich environment...sorry I missed it.

Just like Obama, every time he opens his mouth he paints a target on his head.

[old2soon]

I have ZERO trust in ANY politician. As far as I can throw one minus 10 feet. Makes me wonder WHO they sold their soul to to be in deception central?  RIDE SAFE.

[G-Man]

I just find it rediculous how much hate there is for Obama.

Selective memory?  I clearly remember the 8 years of Bush hate, and as an independent, I remember it being soooooo much worse.

For sure

I am sorry your guys sensabilities were hurt 10 years ago, but as our Mommas used to say "2 wrongs don't make a right" 

Never said it did.  Just saying the hatred is rampant on both sides.  Only difference between these last two is that one's supporters cry racism,...... both ways.  Obama is hated because of his color and Bush hated back people.

[baldo]

I just find it rediculous how much hate there is for Obama.

Selective memory?  I clearly remember the 8 years of Bush hate, and as an independent, I remember it being soooooo much worse.

It might have been because he created such a target rich environment...sorry I missed it.

Just like Obama, every time he opens his mouth he paints a target on his head.

Nice....

[Gavin_Sons]

I just find it rediculous how much hate there is for Obama.

Selective memory?  I clearly remember the 8 years of Bush hate, and as an independent, I remember it being soooooo much worse.

It might have been because he created such a target rich environment...sorry I missed it.

Just like Obama, every time he opens his mouth he paints a target on his head.

Nice....

Thanks, you can say something nice 

[Skinhead]

In the Republican utopia the world would look like this:

There would be no minimum wage.  No weekends.  No lunch break.  No overtime.  No sick days.  No vacation.  No child labor laws.  No OSHA.  No unions.  All those do is kill jobs.

There would be no EPA.  No clean air.  No clean water.  No national parks, just oil fields.  More coal plants.  The world isn't here to enjoy and pass on, it is only here to be exploited.

There would be no public schools.  Either you make enough to afford private school, or just go work in the fields picking vegetables.  Only the richest should be afforded the chance for a higher education.  If your great grandparents weren't born here, or didn't come from the white parts of Europe, you should be deported.  If you are born here, but your parents weren't then you should not be an American citizen.

There would be no welfare.  No food stamps.  No unemployment.  You either work for whatever your employer wants to pay you in an unsafe work environment or starve to death.  If you have kids, you shouldn't have, because someday you might get laid off, and if you do then your kids should starve to death too.

There would be no social security.  If you didn't put away enough money working for pennies, or if some CEO games the market, it is your own damn fault..you should just wither and die hungry and homeless.

Those below the poverty line, those in the lower class and middle class (which should be destroyed) should pay more taxes so that billionaires and multinational corporations can make more.  The banks should not be regulated, they should gamble, and we should pay for their losses but reap none of the rewards.


Republican Utopia?  No thanks!

Would you care to post some facts to support your fantasy?  These all sound like your opinion, not fact.  I sure the repubs aren't for "no" with regards to the items you mention, more along the lines of, for instance, min wage that makes sense for the skill involved in doing the job, and I know they are for weekends and vacations.  I think they are for public schools that teach rather than indoctrinate, and are effective, not just pouring money into schools that continually dumb down our children.  I'm pretty sure they are for public assistance for those that need a hand, not as a lifestyle or a career, health care that works, not throwing 800 million away on a web site.  Social security for those that have payed into it, a national language and legal immigration.


You get the picture. And these are my thoughts, I'll not try to pass them off as a party's beliefs.  There is already too much fantasy in the world, time for a little reality and common sense.

[Gavin_Sons]

In the Republican utopia the world would look like this:

There would be no minimum wage.  No weekends.  No lunch break.  No overtime.  No sick days.  No vacation.  No child labor laws.  No OSHA.  No unions.  All those do is kill jobs.

There would be no EPA.  No clean air.  No clean water.  No national parks, just oil fields.  More coal plants.  The world isn't here to enjoy and pass on, it is only here to be exploited.

There would be no public schools.  Either you make enough to afford private school, or just go work in the fields picking vegetables.  Only the richest should be afforded the chance for a higher education.  If your great grandparents weren't born here, or didn't come from the white parts of Europe, you should be deported.  If you are born here, but your parents weren't then you should not be an American citizen.

There would be no welfare.  No food stamps.  No unemployment.  You either work for whatever your employer wants to pay you in an unsafe work environment or starve to death.  If you have kids, you shouldn't have, because someday you might get laid off, and if you do then your kids should starve to death too.

There would be no social security.  If you didn't put away enough money working for pennies, or if some CEO games the market, it is your own damn fault..you should just wither and die hungry and homeless.

Those below the poverty line, those in the lower class and middle class (which should be destroyed) should pay more taxes so that billionaires and multinational corporations can make more.  The banks should not be regulated, they should gamble, and we should pay for their losses but reap none of the rewards.


Republican Utopia?  No thanks!

Would you care to post some facts to support your fantasy?  These all sound like your opinion, not fact.  I sure the repubs aren't for "no" with regards to the items you mention, more along the lines of, for instance, min wage that makes sense for the skill involved in doing the job, and I know they are for weekends and vacations.  I think they are for public schools that teach rather than indoctrinate, and are effective, not just pouring money into schools that continually dumb down our children.  I'm pretty sure they are for public assistance for those that need a hand, not as a lifestyle or a career, health care that works, not throwing 800 million away on a web site.  Social security for those that have payed into it, a national language and legal immigration.


You get the picture. And these are my thoughts, I'll not try to pass them off as a party's beliefs.  There is already too much fantasy in the world, time for a little reality and common sense.

Maybe DaddieO should move to a country that better fits his beliefs,  oh wait, you're already in California