now we CAN call it terrorism

[Gavin_Sons]

I don't really like getting into gun debates. All I know is, I feel a whole lot better with the guns in my closet if intuders come to my home to hurt my family, than not having them at all. I don't know if I could personally handle myself against one or more intuders, in fact, I probably cannot, especially if they are young. However, from 40 feet away, God forbid, and I hope the day never comes, I can put one right in them and not miss. I didn't create the world we live in, I'm just trying to live in it! I also would feel a lot better in a movie theatre or public place knowing if a nut job gets out of hand, that there will be others capable of stopping him, than finding out no one can stop him. My bet is all those opposed to gun rights would change there stance if they were attacked in their home or public place.

  I carry everywhere I'm allowed to by law. I just bought a new 44 mag revolver with an 8 3/8" barrel. I might look a little funny toting that sucker to walmart for self defense. I usually have my little glock but other times I have my 40 springfield XDM. Both are very accurate and excellent quality firearms. I'm also sure if some of these people calling for gun control got raped or attacked in their homes or even in public they would change their minds. Sometimes it takes a tragic event to open the blind eyes.

[dreamaker]

My bet is all those opposed to gun rights would change there stance if they were attacked in their home or public place.

There will always be and have always been those who will flee instead of taking a stand against the evil in this world.   They depend on those will and always have.   As long as they can flee the danger, they really don't care how those who stand up against the evil do it.

We have this instinct called, Survival, Its not called John Wayne, it doesn't make people any lesser of a person if they want to survive, its in our chemistry. Some people say screw it, and retaliate like a freight train, and some cannot. Far as what we would do at that moment, we can only tell at that moment. People watch and believe too much TV!

[The emperor has no clothes]

I don't really like getting into gun debates. All I know is, I feel a whole lot better with the guns in my closet if intuders come to my home to hurt my family, than not having them at all. I don't know if I could personally handle myself against one or more intuders, in fact, I probably cannot, especially if they are young. However, from 40 feet away, God forbid, and I hope the day never comes, I can put one right in them and not miss. I didn't create the world we live in, I'm just trying to live in it! I also would feel a lot better in a movie theatre or public place knowing if a nut job gets out of hand, that there will be others capable of stopping him, than finding out no one can stop him. My bet is all those opposed to gun rights would change there stance if they were attacked in their home or public place.

I would venture to say that most aren't against gun rights but for some common sense regulations. Just as most who are for gun rights wouldn't want everyone walking around with nuclear weapons. Everything is not either or, there is always a middle ground.

[Bighead]

I don't really like getting into gun debates. All I know is, I feel a whole lot better with the guns in my closet if intuders come to my home to hurt my family, than not having them at all. I don't know if I could personally handle myself against one or more intuders, in fact, I probably cannot, especially if they are young. However, from 40 feet away, God forbid, and I hope the day never comes, I can put one right in them and not miss. I didn't create the world we live in, I'm just trying to live in it! I also would feel a lot better in a movie theatre or public place knowing if a nut job gets out of hand, that there will be others capable of stopping him, than finding out no one can stop him. My bet is all those opposed to gun rights would change there stance if they were attacked in their home or public place.

I would venture to say that most aren't against gun rights but for some common sense regulations. Just as most who are for gun rights wouldn't want everyone walking around with nuclear weapons. Everything is not either or, there is always a middle ground.

Ok Meathead I would like an explination here,haven't got a good response ever to this question. How will more regulations on guns make a difference in criminals? It won't that's why they are criminals they don't care about laws and regulations. All it will do is handcuff law abiding citizens. There are enough guns on the streets that another one doesn't need to be made or sold for a criminal to be able to get one. So how are stricter gun laws gonna change anything that is happening? What are these common sense regulations you speak of? You know common sense isn't so common these days don't you, in fact most people now have zero.

[Serk]

My bet is all those opposed to gun rights would change there stance if they were attacked in their home or public place.

There will always be and have always been those who will flee instead of taking a stand against the evil in this world.   They depend on those will and always have.   As long as they can flee the danger, they really don't care how those who stand up against the evil do it.

A conservative is just a liberal that's been mugged.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I don't really like getting into gun debates. All I know is, I feel a whole lot better with the guns in my closet if intuders come to my home to hurt my family, than not having them at all. I don't know if I could personally handle myself against one or more intuders, in fact, I probably cannot, especially if they are young. However, from 40 feet away, God forbid, and I hope the day never comes, I can put one right in them and not miss. I didn't create the world we live in, I'm just trying to live in it! I also would feel a lot better in a movie theatre or public place knowing if a nut job gets out of hand, that there will be others capable of stopping him, than finding out no one can stop him. My bet is all those opposed to gun rights would change there stance if they were attacked in their home or public place.

I would venture to say that most aren't against gun rights but for some common sense regulations. Just as most who are for gun rights wouldn't want everyone walking around with nuclear weapons. Everything is not either or, there is always a middle ground.

Ok Meathead I would like an explination here,haven't got a good response ever to this question. How will more regulations on guns make a difference in criminals? It won't that's why they are criminals they don't care about laws and regulations. All it will do is handcuff law abiding citizens. There are enough guns on the streets that another one doesn't need to be made or sold for a criminal to be able to get one. So how are stricter gun laws gonna change anything that is happening? What are these common sense regulations you speak of? You know common sense isn't so common these days don't you, in fact most people now have zero.

I have a different view. I think there are plenty of people with common sense. Even people with different politics than myself.

[Rams]

some cannot

Or will not...........

Might be in their DNA, I suppose the lack of a spine or nerve is linked to that somehow.

[dreamaker]

some cannot

Or will not...........

Might be in their DNA, I suppose the lack of a spine or nerve is linked to that somehow.

I'll call it, Rambo, John Wayne, Bruce Lee want-to-be syndrome, deficiency.

[Rams]

some cannot

Or will not...........

Might be in their DNA, I suppose the lack of a spine or nerve is linked to that somehow.

I'll call it, Rambo, John Wayne, Bruce Lee want-to-be syndrome, deficiency.

Call it what ever you want.   It's still those same SoBs that want to do away with our ability to protect ourselves.

[old2soon]

My bet is all those opposed to gun rights would change there stance if they were attacked in their home or public place.

There will always be and have always been those who will flee instead of taking a stand against the evil in this world.   They depend on those who will and always have.   As long as they can flee the danger, they really don't care how those who stand up against the evil do it.

           YUP-in the 60s the low life sumbitches took off for Canada. NOW they preach the evil of the gun.   A gun much like any piece of machinery has to be operated. Until it IS operated it is an inaminate -SP? object. A loaded pistol or rifles chances of a self discharge are EXTREMELY slim to none. RIDE SAFE.

[Roadog]

   I have a question for all the anti gun anti 2nd amendment folks out there .  Hitler, Musolini, Stalin all disarmed the people by taking away their guns by banning them.  WHY did they do that ??  No need to answer,  we KNOW the answer !  I can take my 1911 45 and chamber a round and lay it in the middle of the street and it will lay there and rust unless.....
DAMED guns , out there killing people again !!
TB

[Jess from VA]

We already have thousands of fed and state gun laws (many in direct conflict with 2d Amendment) (and tens of thousands of criminal laws).

We've already compromised way too much.

Private sales must never be made to require federal paperwork.

There must never be a Fed registry of firearms (ammo) and owners.

Any attempts at doing this must be met with a reciprocal law disbanding the secret service and all Federal Protective Service bodyguards for any politician.  They'll just have to carry their own gun (or pepper spray or white flag).

If they want to add a law that makes it illegal for radical islamic murders to buy or possess firearms, I'm good with that.  Of course that means that radical islamic murderers will have to be registered.  I'm good with that too.

[old2soon]

We already have thousands of fed and state gun laws (many in direct conflict with 2d Amendment) (and tens of thousands of criminal laws).

We've already compromised way too much.

Private sales must never be made to require federal paperwork.

There must never be a Fed registry of firearms (ammo) and owners.

Any attempts at doing this must be met with a reciprocal law disbanding the secret service and all Federal Protective Service bodyguards for any politician.  They'll just have to carry their own gun (or pepper spray or white flag).

If they want to add a law that makes it illegal for radical islamic murders to buy or possess firearms, I'm good with that.  Of course that means that radical islamic murderers will have to be registered.  I'm good with that too.

          YUP-I'm good with that!!  RIDE SAFE.

[Serk]

If they want to add a law that makes it illegal for radical islamic murders to buy or possess firearms, I'm good with that.  Of course that means that radical islamic murderers will have to be registered.  I'm good with that too.

Careful what you wish for. Once that's established it's not too hard for someone nefarious in power to change the definition oh what a radical islamic murderer is... Same reason I'm against barring firearm sales to people on the "No Fly List". Who controls who goes onto that list, that's where the real power would be transferred to.

[Jess from VA]

If they want to add a law that makes it illegal for radical islamic murders to buy or possess firearms, I'm good with that.  Of course that means that radical islamic murderers will have to be registered.  I'm good with that too.

Careful what you wish for. Once that's established it's not too hard for someone nefarious in power to change the definition oh what a radical islamic murderer is... Same reason I'm against barring firearm sales to people on the "No Fly List". Who controls who goes onto that list, that's where the real power would be transferred to.

Of course that suggestion was in sarcasm.  It would be pretty hard to fit us homegrown NRA types into a radical islamic murderer category.  Of course, you cannot trust the G.... at all, on nearly anything.

[3fan4life]

This is just another excuse to vilify Obama. If he says the sky is blue, the right will scream that it's anything else other than blue. Now maybe if he came out in favor of oxygen, ........hmmmmmm.
God forbid

Whoa Man!!!

Take it easy on the Kool Aid

[3fan4life]

3,400: Americans who died by Terrorism since 2001

3,400: Americans who died by household Firearms since five weeks ago.


1.4 Million: Americans who died in all Wars fought since 1776.

1.4 Million: Americans who died via household Guns since 1968


400,000: Americans who died fighting in World War II.


400,000: Americans who died by household Firearms since 2001

[The emperor has no clothes]

This is just another excuse to vilify Obama. If he says the sky is blue, the right will scream that it's anything else other than blue. Now maybe if he came out in favor of oxygen, ........hmmmmmm.
God forbid

Whoa Man!!!

Take it easy on the Kool Aid

3,400: Americans who died by Terrorism since 2001

3,400: Americans who died by household Firearms since five weeks ago.


1.4 Million: Americans who died in all Wars fought since 1776.

1.4 Million: Americans who died via household Guns since 1968


400,000: Americans who died fighting in World War II.


400,000: Americans who died by household Firearms since 2001

It is amazing how you can read that into those 2 posts.

[bagelboy]

Like I stated, I hope the day never comes I need to use my firearm. God knows, hurting others is not something I wish for, however, I wear a seat belt in my car, a helmet (controversial) on my bike, and have life insurance because I want to put the odds in my family's and my favor. I'm not John wayne, but I'm no Barney Fife! Just a regular guy trying to survive in a world getting a little crazier. I know one thing, taking away my second amendment rights doesn't sound good. It sounds wrong!

[3fan4life]

This is just another excuse to vilify Obama. If he says the sky is blue, the right will scream that it's anything else other than blue. Now maybe if he came out in favor of oxygen, ........hmmmmmm.
God forbid

Whoa Man!!!

Take it easy on the Kool Aid

3,400: Americans who died by Terrorism since 2001

3,400: Americans who died by household Firearms since five weeks ago.


1.4 Million: Americans who died in all Wars fought since 1776.

1.4 Million: Americans who died via household Guns since 1968


400,000: Americans who died fighting in World War II.


400,000: Americans who died by household Firearms since 2001

It is amazing how you can read that into those 2 posts.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.......... It's a duck!

[Trynt]

I don't really like getting into gun debates. All I know is, I feel a whole lot better with the guns in my closet if intuders come to my home to hurt my family, than not having them at all. I don't know if I could personally handle myself against one or more intuders, in fact, I probably cannot, especially if they are young. However, from 40 feet away, God forbid, and I hope the day never comes, I can put one right in them and not miss. I didn't create the world we live in, I'm just trying to live in it! I also would feel a lot better in a movie theatre or public place knowing if a nut job gets out of hand, that there will be others capable of stopping him, than finding out no one can stop him. My bet is all those opposed to gun rights would change there stance if they were attacked in their home or public place.

I would venture to say that most aren't against gun rights but for some common sense regulations. Just as most who are for gun rights wouldn't want everyone walking around with nuclear weapons. Everything is not either or, there is always a middle ground.

[MP]

I don't really like getting into gun debates. All I know is, I feel a whole lot better with the guns in my closet if intuders come to my home to hurt my family, than not having them at all. I don't know if I could personally handle myself against one or more intuders, in fact, I probably cannot, especially if they are young. However, from 40 feet away, God forbid, and I hope the day never comes, I can put one right in them and not miss. I didn't create the world we live in, I'm just trying to live in it! I also would feel a lot better in a movie theatre or public place knowing if a nut job gets out of hand, that there will be others capable of stopping him, than finding out no one can stop him. My bet is all those opposed to gun rights would change there stance if they were attacked in their home or public place.

I would venture to say that most aren't against gun rights but for some common sense regulations. Just as most who are for gun rights wouldn't want everyone walking around with nuclear weapons. Everything is not either or, there is always a middle ground.

Amen.

IF they got some more gun laws passed, those will not work either.  Then, they will want MORE gun laws.  Pretty soon, ALL guns are banned, and it still won't work, but their goal is accomplished.  Guns outlawed.

[Jeff K]

I am sick and tired of the "common sense" Bull crap.
It is only said to make you feel the need to fall in line.
There is nothing sensible, common or otherwise, about putting more laws in place to control the already law abiding citizens.

I'd like to see a push for common sense Crime laws. When a person forcefully breaks into a home to steal gold and guns he shouldn't get probation, he should get a sentence that would make him regret he did the crime and prevent him from EVER thinking about doing it again.  That makes sense.

[fudgie]

We have this instinct called, Survival, Its not called John Wayne, it doesn't make people any lesser of a person if they want to survive, its in our chemistry. Some people say screw it, and retaliate like a freight train, and some cannot. Far as what we would do at that moment, we can only tell at that moment. People watch and believe too much TV!

Fighting is also a instinct. Having a firearm makes you at least equal to the perp. I would want to live and not care about the other person.

[Patrick]

If sense was common, everyone would have some.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I am sick and tired of the "common sense" Bull crap.
It is only said to make you feel the need to fall in line.
There is nothing sensible, common or otherwise, about putting more laws in place to control the already law abiding citizens.

I'd like to see a push for common sense Crime laws. When a person forcefully breaks into a home to steal gold and guns he shouldn't get probation, he should get a sentence that would make him regret he did the crime and prevent him from EVER thinking about doing it again.  That makes sense.

Makes sense to me 

[Bighead]

I don't really like getting into gun debates. All I know is, I feel a whole lot better with the guns in my closet if intuders come to my home to hurt my family, than not having them at all. I don't know if I could personally handle myself against one or more intuders, in fact, I probably cannot, especially if they are young. However, from 40 feet away, God forbid, and I hope the day never comes, I can put one right in them and not miss. I didn't create the world we live in, I'm just trying to live in it! I also would feel a lot better in a movie theatre or public place knowing if a nut job gets out of hand, that there will be others capable of stopping him, than finding out no one can stop him. My bet is all those opposed to gun rights would change there stance if they were attacked in their home or public place.

I would venture to say that most aren't against gun rights but for some common sense regulations. Just as most who are for gun rights wouldn't want everyone walking around with nuclear weapons. Everything is not either or, there is always a middle ground.

Ok Meathead I would like an explination here,haven't got a good response ever to this question. How will more regulations on guns make a difference in criminals? It won't that's why they are criminals they don't care about laws and regulations. All it will do is handcuff law abiding citizens. There are enough guns on the streets that another one doesn't need to be made or sold for a criminal to be able to get one. So how are stricter gun laws gonna change anything that is happening? What are these common sense regulations you speak of? You know common sense isn't so common these days don't you, in fact most people now have zero.

I have a different view. I think there are plenty of people with common sense. Even people with different politics than myself.

I understand you have a different view (that's fine) that is why I ask you the question which you didn't answer.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I don't really like getting into gun debates. All I know is, I feel a whole lot better with the guns in my closet if intuders come to my home to hurt my family, than not having them at all. I don't know if I could personally handle myself against one or more intuders, in fact, I probably cannot, especially if they are young. However, from 40 feet away, God forbid, and I hope the day never comes, I can put one right in them and not miss. I didn't create the world we live in, I'm just trying to live in it! I also would feel a lot better in a movie theatre or public place knowing if a nut job gets out of hand, that there will be others capable of stopping him, than finding out no one can stop him. My bet is all those opposed to gun rights would change there stance if they were attacked in their home or public place.

I would venture to say that most aren't against gun rights but for some common sense regulations. Just as most who are for gun rights wouldn't want everyone walking around with nuclear weapons. Everything is not either or, there is always a middle ground.

Ok Meathead I would like an explination here,haven't got a good response ever to this question. How will more regulations on guns make a difference in criminals? It won't that's why they are criminals they don't care about laws and regulations. All it will do is handcuff law abiding citizens. There are enough guns on the streets that another one doesn't need to be made or sold for a criminal to be able to get one. So how are stricter gun laws gonna change anything that is happening? What are these common sense regulations you speak of? You know common sense isn't so common these days don't you, in fact most people now have zero.

I have a different view. I think there are plenty of people with common sense. Even people with different politics than myself.

I understand you have a different view (that's fine) that is why I ask you the question which you didn't answer.

I've discussed it on here numerous times. No sense doing it over and over.

[Wizzard]

I thought CA had very strict gun laws. Maybe I am mistaken. Didn't these two also have a lot of homemade bombs? How do we regulate that? If you motive is to kill, then you will do it with whatever you can find. We cannot regulate it all. Seems to me that the bombs made could cause just as  many deaths if not more than the guns.
We have to look at this as what it really is. At least one of them was sworn to ISIS and was intent on doing this. The other seemed to follow from what I read.
To me this is a "heart" issue and no respect for fellow man.

[Bighead]

I don't really like getting into gun debates. All I know is, I feel a whole lot better with the guns in my closet if intuders come to my home to hurt my family, than not having them at all. I don't know if I could personally handle myself against one or more intuders, in fact, I probably cannot, especially if they are young. However, from 40 feet away, God forbid, and I hope the day never comes, I can put one right in them and not miss. I didn't create the world we live in, I'm just trying to live in it! I also would feel a lot better in a movie theatre or public place knowing if a nut job gets out of hand, that there will be others capable of stopping him, than finding out no one can stop him. My bet is all those opposed to gun rights would change there stance if they were attacked in their home or public place.

I would venture to say that most aren't against gun rights but for some common sense regulations. Just as most who are for gun rights wouldn't want everyone walking around with nuclear weapons. Everything is not either or, there is always a middle ground.

Ok Meathead I would like an explination here,haven't got a good response ever to this question. How will more regulations on guns make a difference in criminals? It won't that's why they are criminals they don't care about laws and regulations. All it will do is handcuff law abiding citizens. There are enough guns on the streets that another one doesn't need to be made or sold for a criminal to be able to get one. So how are stricter gun laws gonna change anything that is happening? What are these common sense regulations you speak of? You know common sense isn't so common these days don't you, in fact most people now have zero.

I have a different view. I think there are plenty of people with common sense. Even people with different politics than myself.

I understand you have a different view (that's fine) that is why I ask you the question which you didn't answer.

I've discussed it on here numerous times. No sense doing it over and over.

I must have missed them. Link?

[Patrick]

It now appears the 'wife' planned her coming to this country un-noticed by purposely getting married to an unsuspecting American fool, converted him and then had planned this attack for quite awhile.

So, should we now continue to fear 'women and children' [ or was it orphans ] ?  Absolutely I say !

[Jess from VA]

This was my initial suspicion Patrick.  It is still only speculation.

He's homegrown, but devout.  She's raised in Saudi, then goes to Paki and gets extra religion.

He finds her on-line and marries her. 

Not sure when she decided to kill people, but it still seems like she's the principle and motivator.

[Patrick]

And any woman that abandons her 6 month old baby is way beyond sick.

[Jess from VA]

And any woman that abandons her 6 month old baby is way beyond sick.

Degrees of evil are hard to divine, but really, murdering a dozen completely innocent people (and wounding many more) (and tearing apart all those families) is much worse than abandoning your child (esp at 6 months). 

No doubt that child will be better off without her (them).  I hope that the orphaned child is removed from this, renamed and never finds out more than her parents died in a tragic car crash.  Could you wrap your mind around discovering they were YOUR parents, at 10, 20 or ever?

[The emperor has no clothes]

And any woman that abandons her 6 month old baby is way beyond sick.

Degrees of evil are hard to divine, but really, murdering a dozen completely innocent people (and wounding many more) (and tearing apart all those families) is much worse than abandoning your child (esp at 6 months). 

No doubt that child will be better off without her (them).  I hope that the orphaned child is removed from this, renamed and never finds out more than her parents died in a tragic car crash.  Could you wrap your mind around discovering they were YOUR parents, at 10, 20 or ever?

[Wizzard]

And any woman that abandons her 6 month old baby is way beyond sick.

Degrees of evil are hard to divine, but really, murdering a dozen completely innocent people (and wounding many more) (and tearing apart all those families) is much worse than abandoning your child (esp at 6 months). 

No doubt that child will be better off without her (them).  I hope that the orphaned child is removed from this, renamed and never finds out more than her parents died in a tragic car crash.  Could you wrap your mind around discovering they were YOUR parents, at 10, 20 or ever?

Well said,, very tragic.

[Patrick]

The 'wife' was now found to be 'radicalized' years ago in her own country. The visa she had required an interview.

Tells me all about our vetting process.

So, I'll repeat. Should we be afraid of women and orphans. I still think so.

[old2soon]

The 'wife' was now found to be 'radicalized' years ago in her own country. The visa she had required an interview.

Tells me all about our vetting process.

So, I'll repeat. Should we be afraid of women and orphans. I still think so.

           So yer tellin me the b-tch lied on her visa application?  What I've been able to read and glean from the lame stream media their entire lives here were a lie!  Makes me wonder if I would have KNOWN had I lived next door to them.  REALLY KNOWN.  Course THAT question is moot-NOW. RIDE SAFE.

[Serk]

I found a top-secret copy of the document they're using to vet people coming in...

[98valk]

It's a peaceful religion!
 They are all peaceful until they read/learn that they must KILL OR BE KILLED by any means necessary to get into their heaven.

She just wanted to go to heaven. So obumer wants to help all of them to fulfill their dreams. He is just being a good American with good ideals. Plus bush told him it's a peaceful religion.