Virginia ..... Second Amendment...Gun Grab ?

[MarkT]

Boo fricken hoo.  You know many states don't issue a concealed carry permit unless you can show cause for needing one, ie you make bank deposits for a business late at night in a bad part of town.  Are you really such a gun nut that you can't go on vacation without carrying a concealed gun because you are so afraid the bad guys are after you?  Do you take it swimming with you?  How are you even able to take a shower without holding a gun.  Do you hold a gun in one hand and wipe with the other when you take a dump?  Don't get me wrong, I'm all for gun ownership, I own a gun myself, but sheesh you would avoid a state on vacation that won't let you conceal carry?  Seems a bit nutty.

I'm pretty sure you'll be looking to me with deer-in-the-headlights eyes to save your self-righteous lefty ass if we are both in Micky-D's at Inzane when a criminally insane active shooter sashays in and starts popping diners off.  Don't hold your breathe - if I know it's you.  I'll be focusing on my reflex-sighted 40mm Glock's red dot on the perp's center mass with three rounds.  Without your carrying - your pleads for your sorry ass will fall on the perp's listening and sympathetic ears, I'm sure. Or even if you wise up (fat chance) and decide to carry your "owned gun" yourself (you are either a hypocrite or a liar on that one - either one you fit right in with the DNC faithful and the Hildabeast, Fartstein and Pee-loosely) - won't do you much good without practice.  Maybe you can BLUFF the perp.  Yeah right.

Afterwards we can all "boo fricken hoo" at your funeral.  Yeah that'll happen.  

[hubcapsc]

because you are so afraid the bad guys are after you?

I guess he gets this from TeeVee... they say we are "terrified" of "bad guys"...

I know I hate being a chump, and I dislike being ruled by the likes of
McAuliffe...

-Mike

[RDAbull]

Boo fricken hoo.  You know many states don't issue a concealed carry permit unless you can show cause for needing one, ie you make bank deposits for a business late at night in a bad part of town.  Are you really such a gun nut that you can't go on vacation without carrying a concealed gun because you are so afraid the bad guys are after you?  Do you take it swimming with you?  How are you even able to take a shower without holding a gun.  Do you hold a gun in one hand and wipe with the other when you take a dump?  Don't get me wrong, I'm all for gun ownership, I own a gun myself, but sheesh you would avoid a state on vacation that won't let you conceal carry?  Seems a bit nutty.

Naa, I'll just wait for some liberal to stand up and tell the bad guys they are in a no-gun zone.  While they are laughing and killing them, I'll be drawing and shooting back.
More likely than that, the libs will be cowering behind some hillbilly asshole with a gun that is trying to protect themselves and their family.  You might just happen to be saved too.

And yes, I will avoid spending MY money in a state that does not recognize the Constitution.

[Jess from VA]

http://bearingarms.com/va-gop-may-strip-mcauliffe-protective-detail-concealed-carry/

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

http://bearingarms.com/va-gop-may-strip-mcauliffe-protective-detail-concealed-carry/

  I knew this shitstorm was coming hope it works

[Jess from VA]

http://bearingarms.com/va-gop-may-strip-mcauliffe-protective-detail-concealed-carry/

  I knew this shitstorm was coming hope it works

Well, it won't get our reciprocity back, but it's still good fun.

The donkey breath has a lot of money, so he can probably afford his own security.
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/democrats/terry-mcauliffe-net-worth/

[Gavin_Sons]

Boo fricken hoo.  You know many states don't issue a concealed carry permit unless you can show cause for needing one, ie you make bank deposits for a business late at night in a bad part of town.  Are you really such a gun nut that you can't go on vacation without carrying a concealed gun because you are so afraid the bad guys are after you?  Do you take it swimming with you?  How are you even able to take a shower without holding a gun.  Do you hold a gun in one hand and wipe with the other when you take a dump?  Don't get me wrong, I'm all for gun ownership, I own a gun myself, but sheesh you would avoid a state on vacation that won't let you conceal carry?  Seems a bit nutty.

I dont think your red ryder bb gun counts as a gun  my 5 year old has one of those and can shoot the nuts off a gnat. I applaud you for showing your retardantness yet again. 

[Gavin_Sons]

Daddo I totally agree. But I guess if it makes you feel like a tough guy right? Most of these conceal carry guys would pee there pants before pulling their gun anyway so I am not worried about the crossfire...lol!

I just hope your never in a situation that depends on a average citizen saving you from a robber. While the armed law abiding citizen is neturalizing the threat I bet you would be over in a corner crying and pissing yourself. Probably several years of seeing a shrink, a divorce because your not the same man you once were, and even going bankrupt because your scared to go out in public. While the armed law abiding citizen is a hero and goes on with his life, not a single second seeing a shrink no divorce because his manhood is still intact, and probably a little more well off because there will be stories about how he saved people from a robber and je will be collecting from those stories. We dont carry because we want to be recognized for stopping the bad guys, we carry to protect ourselves and others and atthe end of the day I will be going home to my wife and 2 boys. My gun gets strapped on when I get dressed in the mornimg and comes off and put in the holster on my bed when I go to bed. It is part of my every day life. Yes there are places I cant take it but it is never very far away. I don't expect any of you nay sayers to understand any of this.

[Roadog]

  I was asked the other day "why do you carry? What are you afraid of"? I told them I am not afraid of anything. I carry because a cop is too heavy!  NO Father or husband has any business  leaving their family defenseless ! Why would you want to force your family to be at the mercy of a sociapath that has no mercy or conscience  , with no way to defend themselves.  It is YOUR business/ responsibility to ensure that your family is safe...not the police or anyone else,..YOURS!!!  

[baldo]

I have a question.....

How many gun owners here have actually used their gun to defend someone?

[Pappy!]

Boo fricken hoo.  You know many states don't issue a concealed carry permit unless you can show cause for needing one, ie you make bank deposits for a business late at night in a bad part of town.  Are you really such a gun nut that you can't go on vacation without carrying a concealed gun because you are so afraid the bad guys are after you?  Do you take it swimming with you?  How are you even able to take a shower without holding a gun.  Do you hold a gun in one hand and wipe with the other when you take a dump?  Don't get me wrong, I'm all for gun ownership, I own a gun myself, but sheesh you would avoid a state on vacation that won't let you conceal carry?  Seems a bit nutty.

There is something about a person who is willing to give up his Constitutional rights so easily to a Government. Don't exactly know what it is but it makes my skin crawl.

[Pappy!]

I have a question.....

How many gun owners here have actually used their gun to defend someone?

All it takes is one and we are way ahead of the game. If you can't see that, God help you!

[hubcapsc]

How many gun owners here have actually used their gun to defend someone?

My guess: the same number that have caused trouble with their guns -  zero.

The McAuliffe mentality reflects the belief that law abiding gun owners are
part of some problem or other. It's OK for some powerless individual to be
burdened with that misconception, not so OK for a lawmaker/administrator...

-Mike

[MP]

I have a question.....

How many gun owners here have actually used their gun to defend someone?

How many here have used their house fire insurance?

How many here have gone out and criminally assaulted someone with their guns?

Probably zero for both.

The question is a straw question.  Has NOTHING to do with the RIGHT to carry and own a gun.

The better question is "Why are Liberals/Progressives so afraid of honest, upright citizens carrying guns?" 

IMHO, the real reason is Libs want to disarm the general population, so that there is never a chance of the population taking back their government by force, as was necessary in 1776.

[fudgie]

I have a question.....

How many gun owners here have actually used their gun to defend someone?

Dad did in the 80's in Chicago. Was walking back to the train depot or hotel when someone tried taking a old ladies purse.
He did also about 10 yrs ago. He was walking along the field, walking to the other farm, when a car load of kids thought it would be funny to scare him. Scared their car back up on the road when he pulled his S&W 686.
I had some dick in a mustang thought it would be funny to see how close he can back into me at a stop sign. I had just clicked into N and was moving my hand to mine when he peeled off.

Ive been shot at before. Its not fun.

[hubcapsc]

Dad did in the 80's in Chicago. Was walking back to the train depot or hotel when someone tried taking a old ladies purse.

I wish your Dad had been there when the punk tried to yank my Aunt Jean's purse at Wal-Mart.

Or when the punk shot and killed my neighbor while robbing him and his mom in a parking lot.

-Mike

[Jess from VA]

How many gun owners here have actually used their gun to defend someone?

Two times I showed a pistol (down at my leg, not on-target, yet), because the guy (each bigger than me) was coming right at me with pretty obvious evil intent. I showed it before he was within striking/reaching/lunging distance.  Each time, he stopped coming and left, so I didn't need to bring the weapon up to shoot.  Would I have fired?  Maybe.  Anyone with training understands escalation of force.... to be the good guy (to yourself, the police and the grand jury) you should never use greater force than the minimum necessary to stop the threat.  

Some might think I should take a partial beating (or a few big hits or get my face marked) before I offer deadly force.  It sure helped George Zimmerman.  If he was a little guy (I'm not a big guy - 5'9"), with no weapon (gun, knife, tire iron, screwdriver) maybe you should not show/offer deadly force, but how do you know he has no weapon?  Or is a far superior fighter/puncher?  Is there a disparity of age, as well as size, how motivated/enraged is he, how stoned on meth/alcohol?  I had a clear safe backstop on each occasion, but it is unlikely I would have missed.  Letting someone close to striking/grabbing/take-down distance is a big risk (what if he knocks me cold then shoots me with my pistol?).  I had no duty to retreat, but some States do have such a duty before offering deadly force.  What if George Zimmerman had showed his pistol to a charging Martin before getting his ass kicked on the ground?  Probably no shoot, no trial, no years worth of media hype.

On one occasion I was alone, but on the other, there was a friend within 15 feet of me.  The guy was offering me harm, not my friend.  But who knows what a total stranger charging in will do.  My friend is a multiple martial arts trained and skilled person (who can render the most painful holds, armbars and pressure points imaginable, without breaking a sweat - I only let him do that once), but it was not his fight.  Seconds before I showed a pistol, I told him to stay behind cover where he was.  He did.  He asked me what that was all about,  I told him I had no idea, the guy was a total stranger and we had had no earlier confrontation of any kind.  He asked me why I drove to his house.  I told him I was not letting the guy follow me to MY house, and his was closer (and kind of an industrial area with less houses/humans).  LOL

Driving to a police station while being followed may be a good idea, but it was quite a distance away at the time.  And while clearly following me, it was unclear whether he was angry or upset or wanting to fight, until after he got out of the car and charged.

No two situations are the same,  so you have to know the rules of self defense, and exercise good judgment... probably on the fly.

Both of these were years ago, and I did not call the police on either occasion.  Today, I would call the police (where the bad guy clearly saw the make, model and plate of my car, or other personal identifier). Often, the first party to call the police is considered the good guy, regardless of the facts/truth (until after the investigation).  In both my cases, the other guy was the bad guy, he knew it, and he did not call the cops and tell any lies.  But he could have, each time.  If that happens, you have an uphill fight, right from the start.

This story has several morals.  A couple are:  

Just because I carry a pistol, doesn't mean I'm itching to use it.

With great power, comes great responsibility.

God created all men, but only Sam Colt made them equal.

I'm not inclined to take a beating (or even participate in a fist fight, I have a fortune in dental work).  I treat all men with a degree of courtesy and respect, and require they do the same.

[baldo]

How many gun owners here have actually used their gun to defend someone?

Two times I showed a pistol (down at my leg, not on-target, yet), because the guy (each bigger than me) was coming right at me with pretty obvious evil intent. I showed it before he was within striking/reaching/lunging distance.  Each time, he stopped coming and left, so I didn't need to bring the weapon up to shoot.  Would I have fired?  Maybe.  Anyone with training understands escalation of force.... to be the good guy (to yourself, the police and the grand jury) you should never use greater force than the minimum necessary to stop the threat.  

Some might think I should take a partial beating (or a few big hits or get my face marked) before I offer deadly force.  It sure helped George Zimmerman.  If he was a little guy (I'm not a big guy - 5'9"), with no weapon (gun, knife, tire iron, screwdriver) maybe you should not show/offer deadly force, but how do you know he has no weapon?  Or is a far superior fighter/puncher?  Is there a disparity of age, as well as size, how motivated/enraged is he, how stoned on meth/alcohol?  I had a clear safe backstop on each occasion, but it is unlikely I would have missed.  Letting someone close to striking/grabbing/take-down distance is a big risk (what if he knocks me cold then shoots me with my pistol?).  I had no duty to retreat, but some States do have such a duty before offering deadly force.  What if George Zimmerman had showed his pistol to a charging Martin before getting his ass kicked on the ground?  Probably no shoot, no trial, no years worth of media hype.

On one occasion I was alone, but on the other, there was a friend within 15 feet of me.  The guy was offering me harm, not my friend.  But who knows what a total stranger charging in will do.  My friend is a multiple martial arts trained and skilled person (who can render the most painful holds, armbars and pressure points imaginable, without breaking a sweat - I only let him do that once), but it was not his fight.  Seconds before I showed a pistol, I told him to stay behind cover where he was.  He did.  He asked me what that was all about,  I told him I had no idea, the guy was a total stranger and we had had no earlier confrontation of any kind.  He asked me why I drove to his house.  I told him I was not letting the guy follow me to MY house, and his was closer (and kind of an industrial area with less houses/humans).  LOL

Driving to a police station while being followed may be a good idea, but it was quite a distance away at the time.  And while clearly following me, it was unclear whether he was angry or upset or wanting to fight, until after he got out of the car and charged.

No two situations are the same,  so you have to know the rules of self defense, and exercise good judgment... probably on the fly.

Both of these were years ago, and I did not call the police on either occasion.  Today, I would call the police (where the bad guy clearly saw the make, model and plate of my car, or other personal identifier). Often, the first party to call the police is considered the good guy, regardless of the facts/truth (until after the investigation).  In both my cases, the other guy was the bad guy, he knew it, and he did not call the cops and tell any lies.  But he could have, each time.  If that happens, you have an uphill fight, right from the start.

This story has several morals.  A couple are:  

Just because I carry a pistol, doesn't mean I'm itching to use it.

With great power, comes great responsibility.

God created all men, but only Sam Colt made them equal.

I'm not inclined to take a beating (or even participate in a fist fight, I have a fortune in dental work).  I treat all men with a degree of courtesy and respect, and require they do the same.

Thank you for the straight forward answers. I have more than a few friends that are into guns, and none had ever needed to use them in any way. I'm curious to see if anyone here has had the need.

So as far as a 'straw question', BS...

[RDAbull]

I have a question.....

How many gun owners here have actually used their gun to defend someone?

Me, Once.
Not against a person but a dog. Not all threats are gun wielding maniacs. 
Didn't bother me, and I like dogs more than I like most people.

[Jess from VA]

The last claim I ever made on any form of insurance (other than health) was for a stolen van (right off campus) in 1972.  So I guess I've been wasting my money on cars, bikes, home, renters and life insurance all these years.  Yes, they force you to buy vehicle insurance.

BTW, I really needed a firearm in Apr 1986, after the Libyans tried to blow up my wedding in downtown Ankara Turkey (I lived only one block from the Libyan embassy), and they were foiled and made to look like fools in the European press (Qaddafi really hated that).  But I had no right to one over there, and the USAF wouldn't give me one (are you kidding, we could have an international incident)(pricks).  So I taped a switchblade to my leg for the rest of that tour (and had to check my car for bombs, every morning).  Lived off base, car on street (Chevy El Camino stuck out like a big sore thumb).  I don't think I was overly paranoid.*

But every man ought to do what he thinks is right (after a proper threat assessment).

*They were not on their way to the club, they were right outside on the street.  Seventh paragraph down:
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1916&dat=19900810&id=WQYhAAAAIBAJ&sjid=enYFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1787,1176708&hl=en 

[Serk]

I've had to make it known I was armed twice to diffuse a situation. Both times it quickly deescalated what could otherwise have ended in violence.

[Varmintmist]

I have a question.....

How many gun owners here have actually used their gun to defend someone?

Twice.
Home alone back in the day at 13. 3 guys decided that robbing was a good idea. A kid with a 32 Spl changed their minds. Big grown men get a funny look on them when a round is chambered and a rifle is pointed at them.

And one other later in life.

So Dave,

Daddo I totally agree. But I guess if it makes you feel like a tough guy right? Most of these conceal carry guys would pee there pants before pulling their gun anyway so I am not worried about the crossfire...lol!

I dont think the third time after a stint in the Corps will cause me to tinkle myself. Unless, and I hope it goes that long, I am on depends when it happens.

And Dadd1e O?

You know many states don't issue a concealed carry permit unless you can show cause for needing one

You are very wrong. Most states are shall issue, a few are constitutional carry.  There are only 8 May issue states left in the country, and they become fewer and fewer each year.

[Mr Whiskey]

Just had it pointed out to me that Virginia is an "open carry" state.
Didn't realize this. Does seem to be the case.
http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_Transporting.shtm
Paragraph 2,
& paragraph 5 (with the Office of the Attorney General opinion 11-111) speaks directly to "how" you may transport.
I have no problem with "open carry", I feel it is an excellent deterrent, I would simply be unwilling to go unarmed.
Sounds to me like a good excuse to buy a new holster

[Jess from VA]

Affirmative Whiskey, VA is open carry. 

I have almost never seen it in any suburban areas though (in 23 years), so don't be surprised if stopped and asked about it.   

[PAVALKER]

Affirmative Whiskey, VA is open carry. 

I have almost never seen it in any suburban areas though (in 23 years), so don't be surprised if stopped and asked about it.   

I tested that open carry law in Va while stationed there back in the mid 70s.  I had just picked up a revolver at a LGS in Southern Shopping Center., in the Norfolk/Beach area.  I walked in and out of a few stores in the plaza with it strapped on my hip, a few cop cars passed me in the lot, nodded or waved at me but nothing else.  Rode my Yamaha home with it still on my hip but wasn't followed.  Def need to make sure it remains open carry and not even partially concealed tho.  If they want to cause problems, they can find a reason I'm sure.

That being said, and If I still had any guns, I'd prefer they be concealed.  I much prefer being in stealth mode rather in target mode.

[MarkT]

Twice.  Once was a bluff.  Was walking a dark area as a young G.I. near the base on payday in the 70's when 4 thugs stepped in behind me.  I could see I was about to be rolled.  I had learned and practiced a trick with large coins.  You can hold them between your fingers and make them click to sound just like a cocking pistol.  I did just that, and spun into a combat stance in the dark and all four vamoosed.

The other time two other GI's and myself were riding in a baht bus (toyota pickup with bench seats and a surry top) in Thailand when the driver floored it and roared down a 2-track into the jungle.  Another baht bus with about 10 Thais was right on our bumper.  There were 4 Thais in the cab of our truck. 14 to 3 not good odds.  I was carrying a switchblade, and the other two both had knives.  I told them, get em out, we are being rolled.  I pulled my knife and reached around the cab and put it on the other side of the neck of the driver.  He very politely slowed down, meanwhile the truck behind us, they saw the knives and stopped.  Our driver very cautiously turned around and returned us to the base.  I would have cut his head nearly off if he hadn't. His neck was bleeding when we left.  Could have been a messy situation other wise.  But the Thais weren't about to take on 3 big GI's armed with knives. There would have certainly been blood spilled - mostly theirs.

Yeah it wasn't a gun.  But in this circumstance -  a fighting knife is just about as deadly and as effective.  After the 2nd instance - I started carrying a sword cane.  With a wooden sheath - I had a club in one hand and an Arkansas toothpick in the other.  The Thais recognized it and no one dared mess with me and my wife.  Yeah - the woman below on the Ducati - joined me at Utapao and our daughter was born in Bangkok.

[98valk]

 

And Dadd1e O?

You know many states don't issue a concealed carry permit unless you can show cause for needing one

You are very wrong. Most states are shall issue, a few are constitutional carry.  There are only 8 May issue states left in the country, and they become fewer and fewer each year.

D-O is correct for Nazi Jersey. the most populated state in the union and only about 700 people have CCP. must be bonded and prove transporting sums of money for a business to get one.

[MP]

And Dadd1e O?

You know many states don't issue a concealed carry permit unless you can show cause for needing one

You are very wrong. Most states are shall issue, a few are constitutional carry.  There are only 8 May issue states left in the country, and they become fewer and fewer each year.

D-O is correct for Nazi Jersey. the most populated state in the union and only about 700 people have CCP. must be bonded and prove transporting sums of money for a business to get one.

Yes, there are a few Nazi states.  However, the quote is "most states", which is untrue.

[Serk]

Here's a nice map of who's who state wise:



(And this is a bit outdated, I know at least Maine, Arkansas, Wyoming and Kansas have moved to full-freedom Constitutional Carry since this map was made)

[Roadog]

  I have a question for you Baldo ?  Hitler, Musolini , Stalin and others..Took the guns away from the people..Why did they do that ?   Why,.. why would they need to disarm the people ? Please answer the question !   
   If anti gun/2nd amendment  people feel so strongly against having a way to protect themselves and their your family ,  I challenge them  to put up a sign in the yard stating "THIS PROPERTY UNARMED,  WE DONT BELIEVE IN GUNS"
 
  Mark T,..that is why I like a good knife, It is ALWAYS loaded. 

If a coservative doesnt like guns..they dont buy one..if a liberal doesnt like guns..they dont want ANYBODY to have one !

ROADOG

[Mr Whiskey]

Affirmative Whiskey, VA is open carry. 

I have almost never seen it in any suburban areas though (in 23 years), so don't be surprised if stopped and asked about it.   

10-4, that's what I'd expected too.
Thanks for the headz up!

.....If I still had any guns, I'd prefer they be concealed. I much prefer being in stealth mode rather in target mode.

    That has always been a two headed snake for me.
    On the one hand you have "active shooter" situations that have become all too common in this day & age & I could see being a "primary target" if carrying openly. My Brother LawDog is a firm believer that "if I get to choose when I enter a gunfight, then I win said gunfight" & therefore always carries concealed when off duty.
(I can't really argue with that logic, in any situation, I must admit!)
    On the other hand you have your armed assailant lookin' for something "easy" for their particular vice. I truly believe in most cases these types of encounters can be prevented (no gunfight in the first place) by simply making obvious your "ability" to defend yourself.
    When Christian and Newsom were abducted here in 2007, Sugar was 3 blocks from the apartments they were taken from. Concealed or not, we simply don't go places where we are expected to surrender our right to "keep and bear arms".

[Leatherman]

Yes, I've had to use a gun. It is not glamorous or Hollywood and you don't feel like a tough guy.
As a Head of Household, I am responsible for the safety of my family. I take that responsibility seriously, though I realize that many Liberals don't.
How anybody with a brain can watch the evening news and still think that the police or the government can protect you, is beyond belief. That level of ignorance is shameful. But to ridicule those who take responsibility for their family's safety is inexcusable and I find your comments disgusting.
It is certainly encouraging though, to see that the vast majority of folks on this board have a clear grasp of reality. Thanks to you all.

[G-Man]

 I was asked the other day "why do you carry? What are you afraid of"? I told them I am not afraid of anything. I carry because a cop is too heavy!  NO Father or husband has any business  leaving their family defenseless ! Why would you want to force your family to be at the mercy of a sociapath that has no mercy or conscience  , with no way to defend themselves.  It is YOUR business/ responsibility to ensure that your family is safe...not the police or anyone else,..YOURS!!!  

Happened very close to me.  Husband forced to watch 2 scumbags rape and kill his wife and daughters.  Wife taken to bank to make withdrawal.  Bank notifies cops.  Cops cruise by, never get out of the car, then cruise away.  He couldn't count on the cops and was defenseless against the murderers.

And this happened right in the heart of the Liberal/Progressive capitol of the NYC suburbs. 

Oh right, I forgot, if he did have a gun, he would have shot himself anyway so it wouldn't have made any difference.   

[baldo]

Yes, I've had to use a gun. It is not glamorous or Hollywood and you don't feel like a tough guy.
As a Head of Household, I am responsible for the safety of my family. I take that responsibility seriously, though I realize that many Liberals don't.
How anybody with a brain can watch the evening news and still think that the police or the government can protect you, is beyond belief. That level of ignorance is shameful. But to ridicule those who take responsibility for their family's safety is inexcusable and I find your comments disgusting.
It is certainly encouraging though, to see that the vast majority of folks on this board have a clear grasp of reality. Thanks to you all.

Who is this comment directed toward?..."I find your comments disgusting."

[G-Man]

I've had to make it known I was armed twice to diffuse a situation. Both times it quickly deescalated what could otherwise have ended in violence.

I witnessed this 4 times in my life.  But not my gun.  Once on the subway - off duty friend showed his holstered gun and the 5 trouble makers slinked away.  Once in Georgia, an idiot who thought it would be funny to antagonize my Dad while driving on the highway got a look at Dad's pistol as he pulled up along side us.  Never saw him again.  2 times, in 2 different small grocery stores (we call them Bodegas in NYC) the clerk pulled out his gun to get things under control and get the bad guys out of the store.

[Leatherman]

Who is this comment directed toward?..."I find your comments disgusting."
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Sorry for the lack of clarification Baldo. Daddio's comments pissed me off a little.
I've heard so much liberal BS lately that my tolerance for it is getting a little thin.
If a Liberal individual wants to trust his families safety to the government, that's his right. Ridiculing those of us that take our responsibility seriously, is not alright.
BTW your query about how many people have had to use their gun should be very eye opening to those who don't carry. It can happen to anyone. When it does, you're either prepared or your a victim. There's not much middle ground when the bad guys come calling.

[Roadog]

   Baldo did not answer the question...why were the people dis-armed.   We have the right to have and to carry,  leave it at that,  if you dont  want to carry...DONT! So leave us alone already !  DONT infringe.......!We dont infringe on your right to be defenseless if that is what you choose to do, it's everyones right to choose,..you can choose to be a victim or you can choose to not be a victim .  Choose.

Roadog

[MP]

The number here who have had to use, in one form or another, their weapon, IS eye opening.  It is more than I thought it would be.

Makes a VERY good case for Carrying.

Usually when that question is asked, it is a way to say that guns are very seldom used for defense.  Not the case here.

A lot of the stats that show gun use low, show how many times a GUN WAS FIRED in defense, AND reported to police.

The vast majority of times, SHOWING the gun defuses the situation.  And, it quite often is NOT reported to police, because of fear that they will find some way to charge YOU with illegal possesion or "brandishing" of the weapon!

I am a Life Member of the NRA.  There are other good gun rights groups out there. Maybe we should post their various groups here, or in a different thread?

IF you value your rights, you need to join at least one of them  Now.  They need your support.

The Dems/Liberals/Progressives are openly going after your guns now.  If elected next fall, they will claim a mandate to usurp gun rights.

PLEASE, join and vote.

[baldo]

  Baldo did not answer the question...why were the people dis-armed.   We have the right to have and to carry,  leave it at that,  if you dont  want to carry...DONT! So leave us alone already !  DONT infringe.......!We dont infringe on your right to be defenseless if that is what you choose to do, it's everyones right to choose,..you can choose to be a victim or you can choose to not be a victim .  Choose.

Roadog

Roadog, I'm not going to get in a pissing match with you about gun ownership. That was not my intention with my earlier post. I asked a very simple question, because I was looking for a very straight forward answer. Where did you see me 'trying to disarm' you?

And again, thanks to those that did answer the question.....

[RDAbull]

In response to MP.

Member of NRA.

Member of USCCA (United States Concealed Carry Association) and holder of their Defense Shield Critical Response insurance to cover my ass if it ever becomes necessary to use my weapon.