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crack in block?

Started by ValkISDan, Mon 14, Mar 2016, 20:45:31

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Tfrank59

Nice looking job and a great price!  I was wondering about the pull direction of the weld--good thinking on his part to run it as he did.  Also nice that you didn't need anything special with the threads, eh?  just screw the thing in there and ride! :cooldude:
-Tom

Keep the rubber side down.  USMC '78-'84
'98 Valkyrie, '02 VTX 1800, '96 Royal Star, '06 Drifter, '09 Bonneville, '10 KTM 530, '04 XR 650, '76 Bultaco, '81 CR 450, '78 GS 750...

The emperor has no clothes

Quote from: ValkISDan on Tue 22, Mar 2016, 20:39:27
Well I had the crack repaired today and no sign of any leaks. The welder started at the top of the crack and worked his way down. He said doing this actually pulled the crack tighter as he made his way to the drain plug. He thought overall it went very well. The porous block casting with air pockets created holes he had to fill along the way. I put the bike back together and took it out for a test  ridewith no signs of leaks. The weld is a little bulky but I am thrilled. He asked for $45, I gladly gave him $60. Very glad to be back on the road again, at least after tomorrows snow storm. :cooldude: :cooldude: :cooldude:
Man that worked out awesome ! I had my doubts. I think it looks fine.  :cooldude:

gordonv

My concern was you could clean it all you wanted to, but there is still oil inside the block leaking out. I figure the heat of the weld keep new oil away.

Did you need to do anything with the thread, or just screw in the plug again?

I would keep the big weld like it is, but if you want, you could always grind it flush to the block to make it look pretty again.
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Hook#3287

Wow, nice job :cooldude:

Cheap too :)

I'd leave it alone, just look at it to remind me to be easy with the wrench. :roll:

pancho

Wow, that guy knows his craft........   looks great    ......

"The porous block casting with air pockets created holes he had to fill along the way."  just that would have lesser welders puckering up if it was someone elses bike.  

Great outcome Dan,, I bet  :-\ you feel better now :cooldude:
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Tfrank59

"...if you want, you could always grind it flush to the block to make it look pretty again."
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I think it would be best just to leave that alone, and hope that there's no porosity for oil to seep through and that there wouldn't be any further problems. As for the cosmetics, well it is what it is.
-Tom

Keep the rubber side down.  USMC '78-'84
'98 Valkyrie, '02 VTX 1800, '96 Royal Star, '06 Drifter, '09 Bonneville, '10 KTM 530, '04 XR 650, '76 Bultaco, '81 CR 450, '78 GS 750...

ValkISDan

Quote from: gordonv on Tue 22, Mar 2016, 22:12:18
My concern was you could clean it all you wanted to, but there is still oil inside the block leaking out. I figure the heat of the weld keep new oil away.

Did you need to do anything with the thread, or just screw in the plug again?

I would keep the big weld like it is, but if you want, you could always grind it flush to the block to make it look pretty again.

The welding was done with the drain plug installed so no work would be needed after he finished. The weld actually filled flush to the crush washer surface so you couldn't see the crack with the plug out. I will eventually break out a dremel tool and do some minor touch up.


Chrisj CMA

Quote from: ValkISDan on Wed 23, Mar 2016, 07:58:07
Quote from: gordonv on Tue 22, Mar 2016, 22:12:18
My concern was you could clean it all you wanted to, but there is still oil inside the block leaking out. I figure the heat of the weld keep new oil away.

Did you need to do anything with the thread, or just screw in the plug again?

I would keep the big weld like it is, but if you want, you could always grind it flush to the block to make it look pretty again.

The welding was done with the drain plug installed so no work would be needed after he finished. The weld actually filled flush to the crush washer surface so you couldn't see the crack with the plug out. I will eventually break out a dremel tool and do some minor touch up.



Glad it worked.  If all is well, I would leave it.  No one is going to see it, 

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Tfrank59

As far as using a Dremel and dressing up the appearance – I wouldn't do it just because you could open up a path for oil seepage, since the welder was fighting porosity as he welded. I think you're better off not touching anything at this point.  Oil could start seeping out at some point, especially in the summer months when things get really hot, so the jury is still out on this repair and you're better off just waiting and keeping an eye on it IMO.
-Tom

Keep the rubber side down.  USMC '78-'84
'98 Valkyrie, '02 VTX 1800, '96 Royal Star, '06 Drifter, '09 Bonneville, '10 KTM 530, '04 XR 650, '76 Bultaco, '81 CR 450, '78 GS 750...

pancho

The repair is great and will never give a problem again, leave it alone Dan.
The most expensive things you will purchase, are those things you would not have needed if you had listened and obeyed.

The emperor has no clothes

Quote from: pancho on Wed 23, Mar 2016, 11:02:57
The repair is great and will never give a problem again, leave it alone Dan.
+1  you already dodged one bullet. No sense reloading the gun. It looks fine  :coolsmiley:

Firefighter

What did you take apart? Did you lay the bike on its side? Looks great to me! I would order a new oil drain bolt and seal for the next time.
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2006 Honda Sabre 1100
2013 Honda Spirit 750
2002 Honda Rebel 250
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Willow

The lesson to be learned here involves not overusing the crush washer.  The book says a new one every time.  I tend to cheat on that a few but be sure there's still aluminum to be crushed.

Fortunately I learned that lesson on a Magna and not on my Valkyrie.

ValkISDan

You guys are right I probably won't touch this anymore. From two feet away you couldn't tell its been repaired. Thanks for all the help and support as usual.  :cooldude:

Tfrank59

Way to go. And let us know if something does go south on the repair. Ride safe. :cooldude:
-Tom

Keep the rubber side down.  USMC '78-'84
'98 Valkyrie, '02 VTX 1800, '96 Royal Star, '06 Drifter, '09 Bonneville, '10 KTM 530, '04 XR 650, '76 Bultaco, '81 CR 450, '78 GS 750...

Savago

+1 to leave it alone.

Savago

Tfrank59

#57
"Very glad to be back on the road again, at least after tomorrows snow storm."

Dan, saw the forecast for MN tomorrow--sucks!  Guess you won't be checking out this repair for a few days...weeks ;D
-Tom

Keep the rubber side down.  USMC '78-'84
'98 Valkyrie, '02 VTX 1800, '96 Royal Star, '06 Drifter, '09 Bonneville, '10 KTM 530, '04 XR 650, '76 Bultaco, '81 CR 450, '78 GS 750...

peter

Good work - you dodged a bullet there, or a cannon ball.
'98 Valk
'56 BSA
'04 Ducati

bohica66

I put a fumoto valve on a 6.7 cummins after finding out what happens when you pull the drain plug on 3 gallons of black sooty oil. That used diesel oil is really hard to clean up and any clothing it gets on is ruined. The fumoto valve is brass and opens with a small spring loaded handle which I drilled a small hole in and safety wired, just in case some brush might be able to move it, which is highly doubtful, or somebody might see it and open it. Safety wire won't stop someone, but might deter them. No more messing with crush washers or drain plugs.

97BLKVALK

Looks great and a good price.

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98valk

Quote from: bohica66 on Sat 26, Mar 2016, 19:15:02
I put a fumoto valve on a 6.7 cummins after finding out what happens when you pull the drain plug on 3 gallons of black sooty oil. That used diesel oil is really hard to clean up and any clothing it gets on is ruined. The fumoto valve is brass and opens with a small spring loaded handle which I drilled a small hole in and safety wired, just in case some brush might be able to move it, which is highly doubtful, or somebody might see it and open it. Safety wire won't stop someone, but might deter them. No more messing with crush washers or drain plugs.

Have on my 7.3 PowerStroke.  used a small hose clamp over the end, to prevent unauthorized opening.
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