Johnathan Cahn ‘America’s prophet’ calls out Obama, Supreme Court justices

[The emperor has no clothes]

Your quote "I have never found him using those words" (Jeffersons). I just showed you where he used those words.
The point I am trying to make to you is ;
The 1st Amendment is about declaring our Freedoms. One of which is the freedom from the govt. advocating any religion. You can "wish" it not so but that's not the reality.

[baldo]

What is this, the 700 Club? I'm really getting tired of all the preaching on this board.

Go ahead, flame away.

[old2soon]

What is this, the 700 Club? I'm really getting tired of all the preaching on this board.

Go ahead, flame away.

                  What PART of GENERAL board do you not understand? AND if a post-ANY post offends you pisses you off or makes you mad do NOT under any circumstances read THAT post ever again. If you stop to THINK about it at all it IS really rather simple. RIDE SAFE.

[The emperor has no clothes]

What is this, the 700 Club? I'm really getting tired of all the preaching on this board.

Go ahead, flame away.

I was thinking more along the lines of Jim & Tammy Faye's PTL Club. 

[Gryphon Rider]

What is this, the 700 Club? I'm really getting tired of all the preaching on this board.

Go ahead, flame away.

Is someone tying you in a chair and reading it to you?

[Wizzard]

What is this, the 700 Club? I'm really getting tired of all the preaching on this board.

Go ahead, flame away.

I was thinking more along the lines of Jim & Tammy Faye's PTL Club.  

And Baker is back at it again. I hate organized religion. Most of it is the same theme,, give the glory to God but send the  money to me.

[Valkorado]

I hate organized religion. Most of it is the same theme,, give the glory to God but send the  money to me.

+1.  Charlatans.

[Robert]

Your quote "I have never found him using those words" (Jeffersons). I just showed you where he used those words.
The point I am trying to make to you is ;
The 1st Amendment is about declaring our Freedoms. One of which is the freedom from the govt. advocating any religion. You can "wish" it not so but that's not the reality.

The problem with most secular interpretation is the government sterilized of all religious symbols sayings. That is not what this country was founded on nor the intent of one letter to the Danbery Baptists. Its as if you can throw out history, culture, who actually formed America on one letter because that is the current trend. Just because YOU want it to be secular does not mean it was ever founded or made for that. The history and how and who cannot be erased just because you and others want it that way. Just like marriage that was between a man and a woman the Supreme court threw out the accepted standard that had been for 400 years. The courts instead of Congress has been changing the face of America because if these issues were brought up for vote they would lose.

[Robert]

What is this, the 700 Club? I'm really getting tired of all the preaching on this board.

Go ahead, flame away.

I was thinking more along the lines of Jim & Tammy Faye's PTL Club. 

A fasinating thing happened to the PTL club about a year before they closed.

David Wilkerson was told by God to call the PTL club and give them a message. The message was telling them that in one year they would be no more. This was a time when they were doing well and no one thought that anyone could tell. Its a prophetic utterance that proved to be true. Many dont believe God is involved with everyday life if there is a God at all. But when we see His concern over situations like PTL or the Supreme Court or Obama color parade on the White House it lets us know Hes always there. The warning usually comes first, like the PTL or the warning to capital hill then He moves. He gives those that are the object of His attention a chance to repent and change. The Biblical example is Nineveh below

David Wilkerson started the Time Square Church which was also interesting how God started and blessed that church. He had no idea that God was going to make a way for him to acquire the theater he did. His own personal idea was a much smaller building. God was faithful to keep the church going in finances and people and many lives were saved and changed out of that ministry.

Jim Baker is not the same man he was when he was at the PTL. Many dont have any idea how much God really does make the world go round.

Then Jonah began to go through the city one day’s walk; and he cried out and said, “Yet forty days and Nineveh will be overthrown.”

 Then the people of Nineveh believed in God; and they called a fast and put on sackcloth from the greatest to the least of them. When the word reached the king of Nineveh, he arose from his throne, laid aside his robe from him, covered himself with sackcloth and sat on the ashes. He issued a proclamation and it said, “In Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles: Do not let man, beast, herd, or flock taste a thing. Do not let them eat or drink water. But both man and beast must be covered with sackcloth; and let men call on God earnestly that each may turn from his wicked way and from the violence which is in his hands

[The emperor has no clothes]

Your quote "I have never found him using those words" (Jeffersons). I just showed you where he used those words.
The point I am trying to make to you is ;
The 1st Amendment is about declaring our Freedoms. One of which is the freedom from the govt. advocating any religion. You can "wish" it not so but that's not the reality.

The problem with most secular interpretation is the government sterilized of all religious symbols sayings. That is not what this country was founded on nor the intent of one letter to the Danbery Baptists. Its as if you can throw out history, culture, who actually formed America on one letter because that is the current trend. Just because YOU want it to be secular does not mean it was ever founded or made for that. The history and how and who cannot be erased just because you and others want it that way. Just like marriage that was between a man and a woman the Supreme court threw out the accepted standard that had been for 400 years. The courts instead of Congress has been changing the face of America because if these issues were brought up for vote they would lose.

Didn't you say Jefferson never said those words ? Do we have a little deflection going on here ?

[baldo]

What is this, the 700 Club? I'm really getting tired of all the preaching on this board.

Go ahead, flame away.

Is someone tying you in a chair and reading it to you?

No GR, no one has held me captive. I usually avoid any threads involving religion, but in this case the mention of Obama and the SC piqued my interest. There have been a few threads recently that got pretty deep into the God thing, and there was some eloquent discourse from both sides. Once it gets into Book and Verse, my eyes glaze over and I start skipping comments.

Bob

[baldo]

What is this, the 700 Club? I'm really getting tired of all the preaching on this board.

Go ahead, flame away.

                  What PART of GENERAL board do you not understand? AND if a post-ANY post offends you pisses you off or makes you mad do NOT under any circumstances read THAT post ever again. If you stop to THINK about it at all it IS really rather simple. RIDE SAFE.

Thanks for THE REMINDER. So I won't see you commenting on any Obama or Clinton posts? Is it really that simple?

Thanks FOR YOUR INTEREST.

Have a nice day.

[Gryphon Rider]

What is this, the 700 Club? I'm really getting tired of all the preaching on this board.

Go ahead, flame away.

Is someone tying you in a chair and reading it to you?

No GR, no one has held me captive. I usually avoid any threads involving religion, but in this case the mention of Obama and the SC piqued my interest. There have been a few threads recently that got pretty deep into the God thing, and there was some eloquent discourse from both sides. Once it gets into Book and Verse, my eyes glaze over and I start skipping comments.

Bob

Here's something to help you relax and de-stress:
Nice stuff here
I aim to please.

[Willow]

What is this, the 700 Club? I'm really getting tired of all the preaching on this board.

Go ahead, flame away.

Is someone tying you in a chair and reading it to you?

No GR, no one has held me captive. I usually avoid any threads involving religion, but in this case the mention of Obama and the SC piqued my interest. There have been a few threads recently that got pretty deep into the God thing, and there was some eloquent discourse from both sides. Once it gets into Book and Verse, my eyes glaze over and I start skipping comments.

Bob

Here's something to help you relax and de-stress:
Nice stuff here
I aim to please.

G Rider, I'm offended by links to kitten videos if they're not of motorcycle riding felines.  I'm going to have to ask you to restrict your posts to those of the content for which I search this board. 

 

[baldo]

What is this, the 700 Club? I'm really getting tired of all the preaching on this board.

Go ahead, flame away.

Is someone tying you in a chair and reading it to you?

No GR, no one has held me captive. I usually avoid any threads involving religion, but in this case the mention of Obama and the SC piqued my interest. There have been a few threads recently that got pretty deep into the God thing, and there was some eloquent discourse from both sides. Once it gets into Book and Verse, my eyes glaze over and I start skipping comments.

Bob

Here's something to help you relax and de-stress:
Nice stuff here
I aim to please.

Lol....thanks for that. Much better....

[Willow]

I agree with most if not all his points of what is right and what is wrong.  I don't agree with equating the U.S. of A. with ancient Israel in God's plan.  I don't at all agree with his expectation of President Obama and the Supreme Court justices to adhere to God's law.

In another post you referred to Jesus biggest opposition was not the unsaved but the religious.  I was not entirely clear of what you meant by those two categories.  I would propose that they largely overlap.  On to the point - if you believe President Obama and the justices of the Supreme Court (as a whole or a majority of) to be followers of Christ you have some big issues that need to be addressed.

As to where I stand on the decisions made of late in government by the president, the congress, and the Supreme Court, these people represent the majority or at least a large voting plurality of the people of the United States of America.  Our issue is not so much with these few representatives as were any to step aside there are myriads ready to step into their places.  Our issue is with the direction and choices of the American culture and if we are focusing intensely on the last few decisions we are late in the game.  It's been coming for a long time.

Oh, second question, are we supposed to hear God today?  We believers are supposed to hear God today, first and primarily through the reading of His Word.  We do not expect unbelievers to hear God's voice in any way until they have responded to His call to follow Him.

Do you believe that God is the same today as yesterday, then why would God not follow the same pattern as Israel?

Since they swear on the Bible what does that really mean? Do they think there is no significance and not knowing who they are answering to?

I don't agree that the elected officials represent us or a majority of the population. If they did why have they not heard the complaints and are blindsided by the popularity of Trump? To the point they even admit it.  ...

Robert, I'm going to answer a few of your questions and then I'm going to step away from the exchange between you and me.  We'll leave it at you and I see Christianity and our country in slightly different lights and I see no purpose in wearing that out.  I hope you are on the road to growth in knowledge and understanding as I hope that I am.

Do I believe God is the same today as yesterday?  Yes, I do.  If He were not He would not be God.

Why would God not follow the same pattern as Israel?  I assume that question is a response to my expressing that the U.S. of A. is not to be equated with ancient Israel.  My perspective would be that is because the Lord specifically spoke to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob about the people of Israel being His chosen people.  The question you asked could more reasonably be applied to any nation - Persia, Babylon, France, England, or the U.S.S.R.  I believe God's blessing has repeatedly been on and in the United States of America but I do not believe that we are His current day chosen people as a nation.

Holding one's hand upon the Bible is a tradition as is the phrase, "So help me, God."  I agree with you that it has been much misunderstood and misused but I do not think that God Himself expects that since one followed that tradition that he is expected to understand his responsibility to the Author.  I believe God will deal with the President and the members of the Supreme Court in the exact same manner that he will deal with me and with you.  His word has tended to come to me through His Book.  He has dispatched no prophets to tell me what I need to know beyond what is in the Book.

I think there may be an inherent contradiction within your expression that you believe the elected officials don't represent us.  That is, in fact, how they were elected.  They may not specifically represent my values or yours but they do, by definition, represent the population, at least the voting population, as a whole.  The way to salvation for the country as a whole is not to have sinful men elect more godly representatives, but to have a larger portion of the country choose to repent of their sinful ways and become more godly individually.

The United States is and always has been what one could describe as a secular nation.  The values, codified in laws, of the country are and have been based upon the values of the populace of the country.  Whereas it is true that those values from the beginning and for many years reflected the values, in large part, of the God-fearing Christian populace, it was because of the percentage of the population that held to those values.  There was never a practice of the law making bodies of the nation looking into the Scriptures, other than in their private lives, to be certain that the laws of the land being adopted directly corresponded to the directions of the Bible.  Our issue today is that the laws being adopted still tend to follow the will of the people at large.  Our issue and problem is not simply the content of the laws.  Our issue is the percentage of the population that does or does not hold to the values that we hold dear.

Do I think the Supreme Court in its decision was wrong?  I believe they were and I believe without doubt that they jumped through hoops and misinterpreted the constitution to do so.  More importantly, though, I believe they only codified what a large portion, perhaps a majority, of the population holds to be true.  Do I think that portion of the population is wrong?  Why, yes, I do.  Do I think holding that portion of the population back by the strength of laws more in keeping with Christian values is what we need?  Why, no, I don't.

I listened to the message to which you linked.  I do not know the precise context but I can gather some of it by the surroundings in the video.  He struck me as a loud mouth grandstanding in a particular venue.  I don't think the message he delivered had any inclination to turn anyone's heart closer to God.

That's my two cents.    

[art]

What is this, the 700 Club? I'm really getting tired of all the preaching on this board.

Go ahead, flame away.

Is someone tying you in a chair and reading it to you?

No GR, no one has held me captive. I usually avoid any threads involving religion, but in this case the mention of Obama and the SC piqued my interest. There have been a few threads recently that got pretty deep into the God thing, and there was some eloquent discourse from both sides. Once it gets into Book and Verse, my eyes glaze over and I start skipping comments.

Bob

Here's something to help you relax and de-stress:
Nice stuff here
I aim to please.

Those kitten pictures are more like it, sure beats the religion baloney and to those who are offended, You don't have to look at them.

[Bonzo]

My friend Oss is much more well spoken than I. I am a Jew, I am married to a wonderful Irish Catholic woman. I love her and I have tremendous respect in her faith
Zealots, fundamentalists, so called prophets, tend to believe it's their way or  damnation, or what ever you want to call it. I'll be blunt,  I call it B.S.. Sh_t going to happen and just because you believe in one book or another, quote chapter and verse don't make you right.  What you  believe or what your book says don't make you right.

[shortleg]

     OK let me stir the pot. If you look at where the ideas for our rights and
 government come from, they come from the lows and organization of
 a masonic lodge. The boll of rights and checks and balances
 all come from there.
    Because that is what they had at the time.
             ahortleg