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« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2016, 10:03:12 AM » |
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There is no physical disability, no handicap no reason that they cannot use the gender related restroom based on their own personal decision about which sex they supposedly are.
Explain why I have to accommodate their personal decision when their is no respect for my personal decision on this?
Why is the personal decision of less than 1% of the population more than the other say 60%
The posting of the two pics above are wrong on so many levels its incredible you used this as a plus.
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Well, if this nonsense is going to continue and we don't care what other countries have done [ #5] then I guess another question comes to mind. If we are now to add an addition restroom, who will clean it ? And, how many of these new restrooms will be needed ? One for each type of gender ? Male to female, female to male, unick , those still in transition ? And will there be certain hours for all there cleanings ? Oh, all this thinking makes my head hurt.  |
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« Reply #43 on: May 10, 2016, 10:19:23 AM » |
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There is no physical disability, no handicap no reason that they cannot use the gender related restroom based on their own personal decision about which sex they supposedly are.
Explain why I have to accommodate their personal decision when their is no respect for my personal decision on this?
Why is the personal decision of less than 1% of the population more than the other say 60%
The posting of the two pics above are wrong on so many levels its incredible you used this as a plus.
Because, you know, basic human rights, dignity? I mean your same argument could be applied to why blacks shouldn't be allowed to use the same restroom as whites. They are who they are, they don't choose to be who they are. Your statement about the pics being wrong on so many levels illustrates the bigotry those people face. Those people are not wrong for being who they are, and they should be respected as human beings with equal rights. |
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« Reply #44 on: May 10, 2016, 10:22:53 AM » |
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Does this seem like common sense?
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« Reply #45 on: May 10, 2016, 10:24:53 AM » |
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Reminds me of the old saying.
If sense was common, everyone would have some.
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« Reply #46 on: May 10, 2016, 10:32:49 AM » |
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Seems to me like common sense is becoming extinct.
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« Reply #47 on: May 10, 2016, 11:10:25 AM » |
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It's not about what a person feels like. Who cares?
Where NC messed up is they should have worded the law requiring people to use the restroom corresponding to their current equipment. If a person is so sincere in persuing his or her new identity to complete the required sex change surgeries and hormonal treatments, then let them use the bathroom of their "new" gender.
You ask, "But what do we do to accommodate these people during their transition"? That's their problem.
I'd be willing to bet that far fewer people would want to use the "other" bathroom under these circumstances.
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« Reply #48 on: May 10, 2016, 11:19:54 AM » |
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How could you turn a toilet issue into a black thing? Come on, man!
I get your point but very poor analogy.
The VA hospital I frequent has many men/women marked bathrooms. First come, first serve......lock the door behind you and it's yours.
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« Reply #49 on: May 10, 2016, 12:14:32 PM » |
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Just mark the bathrooms "PENIS" and "VAGINAS" problem solved
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« Reply #50 on: May 10, 2016, 12:28:04 PM » |
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Fact? What a load of crap. The KKK was essentially all Democratic. It took Republicans to pass the Civil Rights Act. It took Republicans, to fight the Civil War, and end slavery.
Your view of history is seriously warped.
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Fact? What a load of crap. The KKK was essentially all Democratic. It took Republicans to pass the Civil Rights Act. It took Republicans, to fight the Civil War, and end slavery.
Your view of history is seriously warped.
I'm sorry, but it is your view of history that is warped. Notice I had used the term "conservative" as opposed to Democrat or Republican. You see, the Democratic Party and Republican Party switched names. The Democratic party of today are the Republicans of yesteryear and vice-versa. Study a little bit of history and you see this is truth. Do you think all the Democrats of the South who were opposed to civil rights all packed up and moved to New York and became civil rights proponents? Or do you think they stayed in the South and became Republicans? Is New York Democrat or Republican? Do the southern states of today vote Democrat or Republican? In the Civil War, was it the North or the South that was Republican? Was it the southern conservative, states-rights people that was supporting the Republican President Lincoln? Or was it the northern liberal that supported President Lincoln and the freedom of slaves? This whole idea that it is the current Republican Party that is responsible for the freedom of slaves, and for civil rights, is offensive. The South has always been the bastion of conservative ideology and of bigotry. Just because Lincoln was a Republican, does not mean the Republican Party of today stands for his ideals. Do you think if Lincoln was running today he would be running as a Republican, and would be embraced by the Republicans? His ideas of the role of the federal government vs states rights run completely opposite of what Republicans today believe. Sorry, but this myth has been played out. Read up on what Malcolm X said about Democrats. Also, Martin Luther King (remember him?) was a Republican. When did this "switch" supposedly occur? Here is some information, I doubt you will read it, but it's here. http://blackrepublican.blogspot.com/2012/06/republicans-and-democrats-did-not.html[/url] The absolute truth is that the Dems have used Welfare to get the black vote for years. Look up what LBJ said about welfare and securing the black vote for years. Robert Byrd? Ring a bell? He was still a racist the day he died. |
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« Reply #52 on: May 10, 2016, 01:21:45 PM » |
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Fact? What a load of crap. The KKK was essentially all Democratic. It took Republicans to pass the Civil Rights Act. It took Republicans, to fight the Civil War, and end slavery.
Your view of history is seriously warped.
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« Reply #53 on: May 10, 2016, 01:26:46 PM » |
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Not all bathrooms are small with a couple of sinks and a half dozen toilets. Some are changing and showering areas as well. Many of these are in gyms and water parks. Little kids run in and out of these bathrooms all day long. Forget about rape or another criminal act, let's just deal with the little girl running into one of these bathrooms and coming face to peaschadile with Tom, I mean Tina changing into his, I mean her bikini.
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« Reply #54 on: May 10, 2016, 02:47:57 PM » |
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Thorny issue.
How about we leave things as they are, and over a ten year period, add a third bathroom labelled CONFUSED. (if occupancy rates are high enough to warrant a third) All those that are confused will have to share with each other however, no matter how confused they are. (If occupancy rates are very low, it will be lawful to stick a porta john around back to serve the confused.)
There will be no 4th bathroom considered, or tolerated.
Service dogs will be welcome everywhere. There is no known percentage of pervert service dogs.
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« Reply #55 on: May 10, 2016, 03:38:06 PM » |
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There is no physical disability, no handicap no reason that they cannot use the gender related restroom based on their own personal decision about which sex they supposedly are.
Explain why I have to accommodate their personal decision when their is no respect for my personal decision on this?
Why is the personal decision of less than 1% of the population more than the other say 60%
The posting of the two pics above are wrong on so many levels its incredible you used this as a plus.
Because, you know, basic human rights, dignity? I mean your same argument could be applied to why blacks shouldn't be allowed to use the same restroom as whites. They are who they are, they don't choose to be who they are. Your statement about the pics being wrong on so many levels illustrates the bigotry those people face. Those people are not wrong for being who they are, and they should be respected as human beings with equal rights. You cannot equate black with transgender, black is born that way transgender made a decision. Black male in the bathroom has the same equipment as any male. Same goes to women its only the transgender crosses sexual lines and social norms that should not be crossed. I totally agree with the use the bathroom for the equipment you have argument, it would solve everything. |
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Transgender people would argue that it is not a choice, but rather they are born that way. Also, your idea of not crossing social norms is weak as social norms change. It was a social norm to not allow black people to use the same restrooms too. If you think the "use the bathroom for the equipment you have" argument works, then I ask if you are volunteering to be the "equipment checker"?  Even if you were volunteering for that position, you couldn't be everywhere at once. Should we form an army of "equipment checkers" to be stationed at every bathroom in the USA? |
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« Reply #57 on: May 10, 2016, 04:35:02 PM » |
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Transgender people would argue that it is not a choice, but rather they are born that way. Also, your idea of not crossing social norms is weak as social norms change. It was a social norm to not allow black people to use the same restrooms too. If you think the "use the bathroom for the equipment you have" argument works, then I ask if you are volunteering to be the "equipment checker"? Even if you were volunteering for that position, you couldn't be everywhere at once. Should we form an army of "equipment checkers" to be stationed at every bathroom in the USA? You see that is the beauty of well defined rules that allow people to feel safe and empowered to stop any kind of wrong themselves. If a woman felt threatened by a man in a ladies room she could call the Police herself and they would be more than happy to oblige and arrest if the proper equipment was not on their person. By saying that males be allowed then it becomes hard to determine what really happened and harder to arrest a potential offender. Unless there was video it becomes word against word and who are the police going to believe. Here ya go Porkys Tallywhacker scene for you. http://www.ebaumsworld.com/videos/porkys/81251423/ |
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Thorny issue.
How about we leave things as they are, and over a ten year period, add a third bathroom labelled CONFUSED. (if occupancy rates are high enough to warrant a third) All those that are confused will have to share with each other however, no matter how confused they are. (If occupancy rates are very low, it will be lawful to stick a porta john around back to serve the confused.)
There will be no 4th bathroom considered, or tolerated.
Service dogs will be welcome everywhere. There is no known percentage of pervert service dogs.
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If this is upheld in the 'soon to be new' SCOTUS, I predict a major shift in construction techniques. Instead of a 10 stall bathroom, we'll have 10 one stall bathrooms unlabeled for gender.
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« Reply #60 on: May 11, 2016, 07:00:08 AM » |
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On O'Reilly it was being discussed about this issue in some of our schools, California and Oregon in particular. As it stands now a student can tell a school official that even though they appear to be a boy, they identify as a girl and with this statement can now go to the girls restrooms and shower facilities. They don't have to produce any documentation or talk to a counselor, simply their statement is sufficient. Of course it works both way as a girl has the same option. I'm 63, white, male, Christian, registered democrat, that has voted Republican for the last 20 years which means I see a problem with the above situation.
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So I'm bewildered. The complaint is that straight guys are straight? ??? No, the complaint is that straight guys get upset when the "girl" they are dating has male parts. I would too! |
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