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Meet the ‘Little People’: Those Punished for Far Less Than What Clinton DidSeveral people have been punished for a similar or lesser offense than what Hillary Clinton is getting away with — being “extremely careless” in handling “very sensitive, highly classified information,” as FBI Director James Comey has said. In announcing that the FBI will not recommend charges in the Clinton email scandal, Comey appeared to suggest that if someone other than the Democratic presidential nominee mishandles classified information, that person would be punished. “To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences,” he conceded. “To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions.” Comey noted: Although there is evidence of potential violation of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. He argued that there was no recent precedent for bringing a criminal case against Clinton without evidence of willful intent or gross negligence. The Political Insider provides 10 examples of people who have been punished for a similar or lesser offense than what Clinton did: Bill Clinton’s National Security Adviser guilty of Destroying Documents in National Archives: ‘Sandy Berger … pleaded guilty in 2005 to illegally sneaking classified documents from the National Archives by stuffing papers in his suit. He later destroyed some of them in his office and lied about it.’ State Department Official Fired and Security Clearance Revoked After Linking to Classified Wikileaks Document: Peter Van Buren, a foreign service officer for Hillary’s State Department, was fired and his security clearance revoked for quoting a Wikileaks document AFTER publishing a book critical of Clinton… Bill Clinton’s CIA Director Was Pardoned During Plea Negotiations for Storing Classified Data on Home Computer: John Deutch, CIA director under President Clinton, was found to have classified information on a government-owned computer in his home several days after he left the CIA. He had to be pardoned in the middle of plea negotiations by Hillary’s husband. Navy engineer sentenced for mishandling classified material: Bryan Nishimura of Folsom, California, pled guilty to the unauthorized removal and retention of classified materials during stints in Afghanistan in 2007 and 2008…Nishimura was sentenced to two years probation, fined $7,500, and had to surrender his security clearance. Sailor Smuggles Classified Docs off Ship: ‘A Navy intelligence specialist admitted Thursday that he smuggled classified documents out of Fort Bragg in folders and his pants pockets, then sold them for $11,500 to a man he believed was a Chinese agent.’ Low Level Submarine Shipmate Prosecuted for Less Serious Crime than Clinton: Petty Officer First Class Kristian Saucier allegedly used a cellphone camera to take photos in the classified engine room of the nuclear submarine where he worked as a mechanic, the USS Alexandria, then destroyed a laptop, camera and memory card after learning he was under investigation. He was indicted on one felony count of unlawful retention of national defense information and another felony count of obstruction of justice. Marine Corps. Major Caught Sending Classified Documents to Superiors Using Personal Email: Maj. Jason Brezler was dismissed from the Marine Corps when he ‘accidentally took home 14 documents on his personal computer, some of which were classified.’ According to the report, Brezler was ‘in a graduate school class when he received an urgent email from military officials in Afghanistan and sent a specific document in response, using his personal email account.’ Lab Tech Steals Data from Nuclear Facility: Jessica Lynn Quintana, a former worker at the Los Alamos National Laboratory, pleaded guilty in federal court to ‘knowingly removing classified information from the national security research laboratory, after she took home sensitive documents and data from the lab last year.’ NSA Manager gives Classified Info to Newspaper: A National Security Agency manager was indicted on allegations of willful retention of ‘national defense’ or classified information, obstruction of justice and making a false statement, after he allegedly ‘passed classified information to a Baltimore Sun reporter who wrote stories exposing NSA mismanagement.’ Charges were dropped and the NSA manager pleaded to a misdemeanor, in what was called a victory against the Obama administration whom had attempted to use dated laws to prosecute leakers of classified information… State Dept. Official Steals Classified Docs: Donald Willis Keyser earned over a year in prison when he ‘pled guilty to a three-count Criminal Information in which he admitted that he willfully and unlawfully removed classified documents and digital memory devices from the Department of State to his residence.’ United States Attorney Chuck Rosenberg stated that… ‘His (Keyser’s) sentence of imprisonment is a warning to others in positions of public trust.’ pasted from Breitbart- http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/07/11/people-punished-far-less-hillary-clintons-email-offense/
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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2016, 01:32:27 PM » |
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Yes. But, she did not "intend" to do wrong. She is "just" an idiot and nincompoop.
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Yes. But, she did not "intend" to do wrong. She is "just" an idiot and nincompoop.
That's the thing, she DID intend to do wrong by moving to her own servers. If she gets elected, the guy with the football should be assigned to the Joint Chiefs, not her. Her clearance for the football (and a lot of things) should be permanently revoked. Is the president in the room? If so, we can only give a Secret briefing (after that, those with a Top Secret can stay behind for the full briefing). |
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2016, 05:13:31 PM » |
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I'm sure there was nothing questionable in the 30,000+ emails that the Feds couldn't recover, either. Mainly yoga stuff. Nothing here, move along.
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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2016, 05:16:14 PM » |
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Yes. But, she did not "intend" to do wrong. She is "just" an idiot and nincompoop.
That's the thing, she DID intend to do wrong by moving to her own servers. If she gets elected, the guy with the football should be assigned to the Joint Chiefs, not her. Her clearance for the football (and a lot of things) should be permanently revoked. Is the president in the room? If so, we can only give a Secret briefing (after that, those with a Top Secret can stay behind for the full briefing).I needed a sarcasm font for that! |
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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2016, 05:25:13 PM » |
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I'm sure there was nothing questionable in the 30,000+ emails that the Feds couldn't recover, either. Mainly yoga stuff. Nothing here, move along.
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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2016, 07:35:20 PM » |
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30,000 emails? That's childs play. How outraged were you back then?   Sorry, we apparently can't use the other one. |
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2016, 04:04:25 AM » |
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So Baldo what you are saying is that the Clinton's didn't learn the lesson from the Bush administration that the email thing is serious business and was actually investigated and caused Bush quite a few problems.
You would think that after someone got tagged for it the Clinton's would have learned. It also moves that an example should be set once and for all so this doesn't happen again. So throw her in jail.
Let me also say it was not a personal server in his house but the RNC server.
The other point is Bush did not lie to Congress, the FBI, or the American people either.
It was not an FBI investigation but Congressional investigation 2 very different things.
I find this type of justification ludicrous at best and the only thing the Dems can say about it.
Baldo being intelligent and reasonable doesn't it sound kind of sick that this is the only defense that they can come up with for her? Regardless of what happened before. What happened to integrity and honor and the law and that the farther we deviate from that the worse it is?
I would have to say that this establishes knowledge of the penalties and intent to circumvent the laws of this country knowing the example of what had happened to Bush and wanting that bad to conceal her own personal emails. It would be a long stretch to plead ignorance of what happened to Bush. Maybe this is why she lied because she knew she was caught and feared the penalty.
This is a classic case of criminal intent if followed to the conclusion would land her in jail and all the facts revealed in hindsight would have verified intent, motive.
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« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2016, 05:07:30 AM » |
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Robert,
You're reading a bit more into it than I intended. I simply posted it as a point-counterpoint because of the sheer number of comments about her and her misdeeds.
And as far as wrongdoing, I don't know which is worse. What she's allegedly done, or having the whole party in on it like the RNC. And if that wasn't bad enough, they deleted MILLIONS of emails. And all this a few years into a very controversial war.
My questions is merely this. Were all you fellas as outraged when the Bush/Cheney gang did this, being that it's all about right or wrong? Or is it just because of her?
And again, I'm not and never have been a Hillary fan. But I'll vote for her on Nov 8, twice if I have to, before I'll give that Trump guy a sniff of the WH.
And after re-reading your post, what happened to Bush? I don't remember anything at all. Nothing, nada.
I wish I could be a bit clearer, but I just got up. Three doubles in a row.I'm a bit bleary eyed.
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« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2016, 05:35:15 AM » |
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Yes. But, she did not "intend" to do wrong. She is "just" an idiot and nincompoop.
That's the thing, she DID intend to do wrong by moving to her own servers. If she gets elected, the guy with the football should be assigned to the Joint Chiefs, not her. Her clearance for the football (and a lot of things) should be permanently revoked. Is the president in the room? If so, we can only give a Secret briefing (after that, those with a Top Secret can stay behind for the full briefing).Well, you can all rest easy. http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/11/politics/james-clapper-paul-ryan-hillary-clinton-intelligence-briefings/index.html?sr=fbpol071216james-clapper-paul-ryan-hillary-clinton-intelligence-briefings0155AMStoryLink&linkId=26457231 |
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« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2016, 07:55:41 AM » |
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What would you have them do? |
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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2016, 08:54:58 AM » |
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What would you have them do?
The Republic of Texas Governor's mansion is currently lit up like this:  The Wisconsin Executive Residence (Governor's mansion) is currently lit up like this:  There might be others that have done the same, those were the only two I'm aware of... (And full disclaimer - While Obama (pbuh) did light up the White House in a rainbow for gay marriage, the Purple for Prince is false, although Snopes calling this "Mostly False" instead of "Half True" is a nice example of their bias - http://www.snopes.com/white-house-lighting/ ) |
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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2016, 08:59:19 AM » |
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I wish I could be a bit clearer, but I just got up. Three doubles in a row.I'm a bit bleary eyed.
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« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2016, 09:11:09 AM » |
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I'm sure there was nothing questionable in the 30,000+ emails that the Feds couldn't recover, either. Mainly yoga stuff. Nothing here, move along.
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« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2016, 09:12:21 AM » |
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Robert,
You're reading a bit more into it than I intended. I simply posted it as a point-counterpoint because of the sheer number of comments about her and her misdeeds.
And as far as wrongdoing, I don't know which is worse. What she's allegedly done, or having the whole party in on it like the RNC. And if that wasn't bad enough, they deleted MILLIONS of emails. And all this a few years into a very controversial war.
My questions is merely this. Were all you fellas as outraged when the Bush/Cheney gang did this, being that it's all about right or wrong? Or is it just because of her?
And again, I'm not and never have been a Hillary fan. But I'll vote for her on Nov 8, twice if I have to, before I'll give that Trump guy a sniff of the WH.
And after re-reading your post, what happened to Bush? I don't remember anything at all. Nothing, nada.
I wish I could be a bit clearer, but I just got up. Three doubles in a row.I'm a bit bleary eyed.
Personally, I've got no problem with all being treated the same, if a Republican did a crime, prosecute if it can be proven, if it's a Democrat, Independent or Socialist, the same rules apply. What I find unbelievable in Hilary's case is, they say there was no intent, so it's questionable as to whether or not there was a crime. The fact that she admittedly deleted all her supposedly personal emails and then tried to have the server wiped of all information is proof enough to prove she was attempting to hide what she did. I believe that's obstructing justice. They know she had classified documents in her home server, illegal as hell. I used to have a TSBI clearance, to this day, I can not discuss what that covered with out going to jail. Tell me the difference............... What I knew as "classified" back then is most likely open book now but, since they have not informed me I can talk about it, I stay silent. Most likely not worthy of even knowing now but..................... Those two things by themselves would put you and I behind bars. I don't care what candidate or person did this, there's more than just smoke here, there's a blaze burning. The fact that Bill met with the DOJ Director just day's prior also stinks to high heaven. I don't care if it was Bush, Reagan or Lincoln, if they can be proven to do the crime, then they should suffer the consequences just like you or I. I distinctly remember Obama promising his administration would be the most transparent ever. He is also a liar. If, I'm wrong, please enlighten me how and where. |
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« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2016, 09:12:42 AM » |
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What would you have them do? In all cases, nothing. |
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« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2016, 09:14:31 AM » |
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What would you have them do?
The Republic of Texas Governor's mansion is currently lit up like this: The Wisconsin Executive Residence (Governor's mansion) is currently lit up like this: There might be others that have done the same, those were the only two I'm aware of... (And full disclaimer - While Obama (pbuh) did light up the White House in a rainbow for gay marriage, the Purple for Prince is false, although Snopes calling this "Mostly False" instead of "Half True" is a nice example of their bias - http://www.snopes.com/white-house-lighting/ ) So if I understand it correctly. The Whitehouse has never been bathed in color for any tragedies only for Breast Cancer Awareness and the Supreme Court decision on gay marriage ? Flags at half staff and proclamations denouncing the tragedies seems appropriate to me. And why would someone put up a false pic of the purple Prince Whitehouse when it was so easy to find the truth ? I think some do not want truth they want demogaugary . |
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« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2016, 09:19:44 AM » |
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Robert,
You're reading a bit more into it than I intended. I simply posted it as a point-counterpoint because of the sheer number of comments about her and her misdeeds.
And as far as wrongdoing, I don't know which is worse. What she's allegedly done, or having the whole party in on it like the RNC. And if that wasn't bad enough, they deleted MILLIONS of emails. And all this a few years into a very controversial war.
My questions is merely this. Were all you fellas as outraged when the Bush/Cheney gang did this, being that it's all about right or wrong? Or is it just because of her?
And again, I'm not and never have been a Hillary fan. But I'll vote for her on Nov 8, twice if I have to, before I'll give that Trump guy a sniff of the WH.
And after re-reading your post, what happened to Bush? I don't remember anything at all. Nothing, nada.
I wish I could be a bit clearer, but I just got up. Three doubles in a row.I'm a bit bleary eyed.
Personally, I've got no problem with all being treated the same, if a Republican did a crime, prosecute if it can be proven, if it's a Democrat, same rules apply. What I find unbelievable in Hilary's case is, they say there was no intent, so it's questionable as to whether or not there was a crime. The fact that she admittedly deleted all her supposedly personal emails and then tried to have the server wiped of all information is proof enough to prove she was attempting to hide what she did. I believe that's obstructing justice. They know she had classified documents in her home server, illegal as hell. I used to have a TSBI clearance, to this day, I can not discuss what that covered with out going to jail. Tell me difference............... What I knew as "classified" back then is most likely open book now but, since they have not informed me I can talk about it, I stay silent. Most likely not worthy of even knowing now but..................... Those two things by themselves would put you and I behind bars. I don't care what candidate or person did this, there's more than just smoke here, there's a blaze burning. The fact that Bill met with the DOJ Director just day's prior also stinks to high heaven. I don't care if it was Bush, Reagan or Lincoln, if they can be proven to do the crime, then they should suffer the consequences just like you or I. I distinctly remember Obama promising his administration would be the most transparent ever. He is also a liar. If, I'm wrong, please enlighten me how and where. Rams, I think you are missing the whole point of Baldos post. The question is why was there no disgust, anger, hatred over that. It seems pretty obvious to me, but nobody seems willing to address it. |
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« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2016, 09:26:06 AM » |
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Robert,
You're reading a bit more into it than I intended. I simply posted it as a point-counterpoint because of the sheer number of comments about her and her misdeeds.
And as far as wrongdoing, I don't know which is worse. What she's allegedly done, or having the whole party in on it like the RNC. And if that wasn't bad enough, they deleted MILLIONS of emails. And all this a few years into a very controversial war.
My questions is merely this. Were all you fellas as outraged when the Bush/Cheney gang did this, being that it's all about right or wrong? Or is it just because of her?
And again, I'm not and never have been a Hillary fan. But I'll vote for her on Nov 8, twice if I have to, before I'll give that Trump guy a sniff of the WH.
And after re-reading your post, what happened to Bush? I don't remember anything at all. Nothing, nada.
I wish I could be a bit clearer, but I just got up. Three doubles in a row.I'm a bit bleary eyed.
Personally, I've got no problem with all being treated the same, if a Republican did a crime, prosecute if it can be proven, if it's a Democrat, same rules apply. What I find unbelievable in Hilary's case is, they say there was no intent, so it's questionable as to whether or not there was a crime. The fact that she admittedly deleted all her supposedly personal emails and then tried to have the server wiped of all information is proof enough to prove she was attempting to hide what she did. I believe that's obstructing justice. They know she had classified documents in her home server, illegal as hell. I used to have a TSBI clearance, to this day, I can not discuss what that covered with out going to jail. Tell me difference............... What I knew as "classified" back then is most likely open book now but, since they have not informed me I can talk about it, I stay silent. Most likely not worthy of even knowing now but..................... Those two things by themselves would put you and I behind bars. I don't care what candidate or person did this, there's more than just smoke here, there's a blaze burning. The fact that Bill met with the DOJ Director just day's prior also stinks to high heaven. I don't care if it was Bush, Reagan or Lincoln, if they can be proven to do the crime, then they should suffer the consequences just like you or I. I distinctly remember Obama promising his administration would be the most transparent ever. He is also a liar. If, I'm wrong, please enlighten me how and where. Rams, I think you are missing the whole point of Baldos post. The question is why was there no disgust, anger, hatred over that. It seems pretty obvious to me, but nobody seems willing to address it. Meathead, I don't believe I missed his point, read it again but, to be honest, I don't even remember the Bush email scandal being in the news. If it was, I either missed it or, forgot it. But, as I said, I don't care who broke the rules, the rules apply to all of us. Or, Should! But, I'll ask you to read my questions and respond to them. Someone should be explaining to me the difference between you or I doing what Clinton has been investigated and apparently proven to have done versus if it were you or I in the same situation. I believe we'd both be behind bars now. She isn't and that stinks to high heaven if, what the FBI Director said, is in fact true. In fact, he should be charged with not doing his job in my opinion. So, if you will, address my questions. |
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« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2016, 09:34:30 AM » |
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Rams, I think you are missing the whole point of Baldos post. The question is why was there no disgust, anger, hatred over that. It seems pretty obvious to me, but nobody seems willing to address it.
The difference, to me, is that Bush and his cronies were on their way out... Hillary is on her way in. We're currently going through, as a nation, the vetting process for Hillary, and her being caught red handed doing the things she's been caught doing should be a HUGE red flag. |
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« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2016, 09:48:04 AM » |
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Robert,
You're reading a bit more into it than I intended. I simply posted it as a point-counterpoint because of the sheer number of comments about her and her misdeeds.
And as far as wrongdoing, I don't know which is worse. What she's allegedly done, or having the whole party in on it like the RNC. And if that wasn't bad enough, they deleted MILLIONS of emails. And all this a few years into a very controversial war.
My questions is merely this. Were all you fellas as outraged when the Bush/Cheney gang did this, being that it's all about right or wrong? Or is it just because of her?
And again, I'm not and never have been a Hillary fan. But I'll vote for her on Nov 8, twice if I have to, before I'll give that Trump guy a sniff of the WH.
And after re-reading your post, what happened to Bush? I don't remember anything at all. Nothing, nada.
I wish I could be a bit clearer, but I just got up. Three doubles in a row.I'm a bit bleary eyed.
Personally, I've got no problem with all being treated the same, if a Republican did a crime, prosecute if it can be proven, if it's a Democrat, same rules apply. What I find unbelievable in Hilary's case is, they say there was no intent, so it's questionable as to whether or not there was a crime. The fact that she admittedly deleted all her supposedly personal emails and then tried to have the server wiped of all information is proof enough to prove she was attempting to hide what she did. I believe that's obstructing justice. They know she had classified documents in her home server, illegal as hell. I used to have a TSBI clearance, to this day, I can not discuss what that covered with out going to jail. Tell me difference............... What I knew as "classified" back then is most likely open book now but, since they have not informed me I can talk about it, I stay silent. Most likely not worthy of even knowing now but..................... Those two things by themselves would put you and I behind bars. I don't care what candidate or person did this, there's more than just smoke here, there's a blaze burning. The fact that Bill met with the DOJ Director just day's prior also stinks to high heaven. I don't care if it was Bush, Reagan or Lincoln, if they can be proven to do the crime, then they should suffer the consequences just like you or I. I distinctly remember Obama promising his administration would be the most transparent ever. He is also a liar. If, I'm wrong, please enlighten me how and where. Rams, I think you are missing the whole point of Baldos post. The question is why was there no disgust, anger, hatred over that. It seems pretty obvious to me, but nobody seems willing to address it. Meathead, I don't believe I am but, to be honest, I don't even remember the Bush email scandal being in the news. If it was, I either missed it or, forgot it. But, as I said, I don't care who broke the rules, the rules apply to all of us. Or, Should! But, I'll ask you to read my questions and respond to them. Someone should be explaining to me the difference between you or I doing what Clinton has been investigated and apparently proven to have done versus if it were you or I in the same situation. I believe we'd both be behind bars now. She isn't and that stinks to high heaven if, what the FBI Director is in fact true. In fact, he should be charged with not doing his job in my opinion. So, if you will, address my questions. Oh you want me to address your questions. But you want to plead ignorance to my 1 question ? First off, you will probably remember the controversy surrounding Bush firing all of those Federal prosecutors (their exact title eludes me). That is when it was discovered about them using the RNC email system. I really don't care to again get embroiled in another political pissing match thread. I just thought it ironic that everybody is so eager to jump all over Baldo for his posts but as some others like to say it's "crickets" when it comes to addressing the question. Now to your questions. Yes little people as you and I don't get treated the same as people with power and money. I wish I knew how to fix that but I don't. As far as Comey not doing his job. I don't know, he seemed to explain himself pretty well in that hearing. If you listened to him explain the differences between the Petraeus case and others it made sense to me. As to Bill Clinton meeting with Lynch, I agree it was a huge error in judgement on her part in doing so. I also had a Top Secret clearance at one time. But I don't remember a damn thing that would get me in trouble. Getting old does have some advantages. So can I now get an answer to my question ?  |
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Rams, I think you are missing the whole point of Baldos post. The question is why was there no disgust, anger, hatred over that. It seems pretty obvious to me, but nobody seems willing to address it.
The difference, to me, is that Bush and his cronies were on their way out... Hillary is on her way in. We're currently going through, as a nation, the vetting process for Hillary, and her being caught red handed doing the things she's been caught doing should be a HUGE red flag. My memory isn't the best but I think they still had a couple years to go. And your logic escapes me. If it is reprehensible as many here make it out to be, why would it matter if it was done on day 1 or day 3120 ? Seems to be a huge double standard that many don't want to reconcile. I do hope we all can keep this discussion civil.  |
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Rams, I think you are missing the whole point of Baldos post. The question is why was there no disgust, anger, hatred over that. It seems pretty obvious to me, but nobody seems willing to address it.
The difference, to me, is that Bush and his cronies were on their way out... Hillary is on her way in. We're currently going through, as a nation, the vetting process for Hillary, and her being caught red handed doing the things she's been caught doing should be a HUGE red flag. Meathead, Serk. Sorry, I didn't read the who wrote that. My mistake. The whole point is, she is not being vetted by the FBI nor, the DOJ!!!! You, I or Bob would all be charged and in jail without bond had we done this............  Yes, I'm angry about this. Hell, I'm pissed I didn't know about the supposed Bush scandal. If nothing else, the integrity issues should disqualify this candidate. This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach but, I need to remind myself, it's all about the free stuff right? Meathead, I missed that question but, I'll go back and re-read the entire thread. |
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You're reading a bit more into it than I intended. I simply posted it as a point-counterpoint because of the sheer number of comments about her and her misdeeds.
And as far as wrongdoing, I don't know which is worse. What she's allegedly done, or having the whole party in on it like the RNC. And if that wasn't bad enough, they deleted MILLIONS of emails. And all this a few years into a very controversial war.
My questions is merely this. Were all you fellas as outraged when the Bush/Cheney gang did this, being that it's all about right or wrong? Or is it just because of her?
And again, I'm not and never have been a Hillary fan. But I'll vote for her on Nov 8, twice if I have to, before I'll give that Trump guy a sniff of the WH.
And after re-reading your post, what happened to Bush? I don't remember anything at all. Nothing, nada.
I wish I could be a bit clearer, but I just got up. Three doubles in a row.I'm a bit bleary eyed.
Personally, I've got no problem with all being treated the same, if a Republican did a crime, prosecute if it can be proven, if it's a Democrat, same rules apply. What I find unbelievable in Hilary's case is, they say there was no intent, so it's questionable as to whether or not there was a crime. The fact that she admittedly deleted all her supposedly personal emails and then tried to have the server wiped of all information is proof enough to prove she was attempting to hide what she did. I believe that's obstructing justice. They know she had classified documents in her home server, illegal as hell. I used to have a TSBI clearance, to this day, I can not discuss what that covered with out going to jail. Tell me difference............... What I knew as "classified" back then is most likely open book now but, since they have not informed me I can talk about it, I stay silent. Most likely not worthy of even knowing now but..................... Those two things by themselves would put you and I behind bars. I don't care what candidate or person did this, there's more than just smoke here, there's a blaze burning. The fact that Bill met with the DOJ Director just day's prior also stinks to high heaven. I don't care if it was Bush, Reagan or Lincoln, if they can be proven to do the crime, then they should suffer the consequences just like you or I. I distinctly remember Obama promising his administration would be the most transparent ever. He is also a liar. If, I'm wrong, please enlighten me how and where. Rams, I think you are missing the whole point of Baldos post. The question is why was there no disgust, anger, hatred over that. It seems pretty obvious to me, but nobody seems willing to address it. Meathead, I don't believe I am but, to be honest, I don't even remember the Bush email scandal being in the news. If it was, I either missed it or, forgot it. But, as I said, I don't care who broke the rules, the rules apply to all of us. Or, Should! But, I'll ask you to read my questions and respond to them. Someone should be explaining to me the difference between you or I doing what Clinton has been investigated and apparently proven to have done versus if it were you or I in the same situation. I believe we'd both be behind bars now. She isn't and that stinks to high heaven if, what the FBI Director is in fact true. In fact, he should be charged with not doing his job in my opinion. So, if you will, address my questions. Oh you want me to address your questions. But you want to plead ignorance to my 1 question ? First off, you will probably remember the controversy surrounding Bush firing all of those Federal prosecutors (their exact title eludes me). That is when it was discovered about them using the RNC email system. I really don't care to again get embroiled in another political pissing match thread. I just thought it ironic that everybody is so eager to jump all over Baldo for his posts but as some others like to say it's "crickets" when it comes to addressing the question. Now to your questions. Yes little people as you and I don't get treated the same as people with power and money. I wish I knew how to fix that but I don't. As far as Comey not doing his job. I don't know, he seemed to explain himself pretty well in that hearing. If you listened to him explain the differences between the Petraeus case and others it made sense to me. As to Bill Clinton meeting with Lynch, I agree it was a huge error in judgement on her part in doing so. I also had a Top Secret clearance at one time. But I don't remember a damn thing that would get me in trouble. Getting old does have some advantages. So can I now get an answer to my question ? The question is why was there no disgust, anger, hatred over that. It seems pretty obvious to me, but nobody seems willing to address it. Meathead, What you're asking me to do is give you an assumption, I already said I didn't remember or know about the Bush Scandal referred to. I can only assume it didn't make headlines like Hilary's crime has. |
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« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2016, 10:11:20 AM » |
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I'm sure there was nothing questionable in the 30,000+ emails that the Feds couldn't recover, either. Mainly yoga stuff. Nothing here, move along.
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« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2016, 10:13:04 AM » |
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Rams, I think you are missing the whole point of Baldos post. The question is why was there no disgust, anger, hatred over that. It seems pretty obvious to me, but nobody seems willing to address it.
The difference, to me, is that Bush and his cronies were on their way out... Hillary is on her way in. We're currently going through, as a nation, the vetting process for Hillary, and her being caught red handed doing the things she's been caught doing should be a HUGE red flag. Meathead, The whole point is, she is not being vetted by the FBI nor, the DOJ!!!! You, I or Bob would all be charged and in jail without bond had we done this............ Yes, I'm angry about this. Hell, I'm pissed I didn't know about the supposed Bush scandal. If nothing else, the integrity issues should disqualify this candidate. This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach but, I need to remind myself, it's all about the free stuff right? I understand your anger. There is plenty to be angry about. But to keep saying "it's all about the free stuff" is mistaken. I don't know how I am going to vote yet. Other than I will not be voting for the Donald. I think Willow or somebody said a while back that most elections are not so much voting for someone but voting against someone else. This has never been clearer to me than this election. It is a shame these are the 2 people we have to choose from, but it is what it is. If you don't know or remember the scandal about the emails and the firing of the prosecutors read up on it. I would be interested to hear your opinion. |
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I'm sure there was nothing questionable in the 30,000+ emails that the Feds couldn't recover, either. Mainly yoga stuff. Nothing here, move along.
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« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2016, 10:38:06 AM » |
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Well, it seems that our little truce didn't last very long What's the issue? This has been a very respectful and civil discussion sharing differing points of view. I'll check back on page two. If it's still civil, I'll hoist a beer to us all. |
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« Reply #34 on: July 12, 2016, 10:41:18 AM » |
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I think what is being lost is the FBI's reason for finding that she had no intent. She is ignorant, she is terribly careless, and she is very ignorant of modern means of electronic communication. Yep. EXACTLY who is qualified to be President of the USA! He basically said that if she was smarter, then she would have been prosecuted! |
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Well, it seems that our little truce didn't last very long What's the issue? This has been a very respectful and civil discussion sharing differing points of view. Yeah, right. Right up to this point. Some how, this doesn't seem very respectful to me. I'm sure there was nothing questionable in the 30,000+ emails that the Feds couldn't recover, either. Mainly yoga stuff. Nothing here, move along.
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