who caught O's speech at the police vigil today?

[Serk]

How come they never talk about the white Jewish father who "had the talk" with his young teenage sons?  My father was an athlete who grew up on the lower east side of Manhattan.  At that time, majority of police officers were of a certain ethnicity which disliked Jews.  My father would get singled out by police during schoolyard basketball games and harassed about something that had nothing to do with him.  He was the only Jew on the court.  HIS father, told him when they (police) confront you for any reason, Yes Sir, No Sir, and everyone goes home.  My father taught me this and I taught my teenage son this, and reiterate it often.

Whether the cop is racist, sexist, hates certain religions, is new, is nervous, just had a fight with his wife, just recently lost a partner, whatever, ................  it's ALWAYS better to play their game because you/we can never win.  Yelling, name calling, running, just pisses them off.  

Heck, my lily white parents had The Talk with my lily white self multiple times as well.

Really, the more I reflect on this I think it comes down to this:

If you believe the narrative that blacks are unfairly being targeted and executed by the cops, Obama's speech made sense.

If you believe that everyone really is being treated equally the vast majority of the time, then his speech was political pandering and highly inappropriate.

[..]

And that’s what WE SHOULD take away from the lives of these outstanding men. The pain we feel may not soon pass, but OUR VARIOUS faiths SHOULD tell US that they did not die in vain. OUR belief in our sorrow can make us a better country. WE CAN believe our righteous anger can be transformed into more justice and more peace. Weeping may endure for a night but WE CAN BE convinced joy comes in the morning.

That's how easy it is for those unable to comprehend.

And with a flourish of emoticons that some use to signify they believe they got the last word in I'm outta here.
  ???

[G-Man]

When all this takes place, more than 50 years after the passage of the Civil Rights Act, we cannot simply turn away and dismiss those in peaceful protest as troublemakers or paranoid.
We can’t simply dismiss it as a symptom of political correctness or reverse racism. To have your experience denied like that, dismissed by those in authority, dismissed perhaps even by your white friends and coworkers and fellow church members, again and again and again, it hurts. Surely we can see that, all of us.

This is legitimizing black lives matter.

BTW, who knew the route that the "protest" was going to go down that certain street in front of that parking facility?  The cops would need to know, and the protest organizers would need to know, right?  So which one of the two tipped of the shooter?    

[baldo]

I read both speeches.  I'm not as deeply disgusted as some although I stand about as far from the perspective of Barrack Obama as I possibly could.  I do see that he politicized.  He's a politician.  How he views reality will impact how he speaks and what he says.  He did not directly blame the fallen officers or the Dallas Police Department for the killings but he did give validity and credence to an implied conflict between the police in general and the black community.  That was not proper at a memorial service.

I was impressed that both Barrack Obama and George Bush quoted from the Scripture although somewhat misapplied.  Barrack Obama knows more about the Christian Bible than I have given him credit for.

What the President did that was wrong was to point to an ongoing conflict between police and black people as the reason for the murders.  I heard on the news this morning that he was hosting a conference between black people and police to resolve differences.  By doing these things he validates the actions of the murderer.  Murderers should be treated as criminals and never as slightly extreme victims.

Sunday I walked out of church during the pastor's alleged sermon.  Taking a liberal bent he talked about the percentages of arrests, prison sentences, and death row residences of black versus white men.  Like so many he completely ignores that it may be because those convicted criminals lived in and and participated in a high crime area.  It really doesn't have as much to do with race as one might want to think.

So long as we spout statistics and see the populace as black and white we will have a race problem in America.  So long as we consider what color a person is rather than just seeing human beings we have a race problem.  So long as we elect a president because of his race and not disregarding his race we have a race problem.   People on both sides of the argument participate fully in contributing to the racial divide.

For what it's worth I am a racist.  I believe deeply that people of Choctaw genetics are obviously superior to those of the many inferior ethnic groups.  In the political spectrum it regularly occurs to me that anyone who disagrees with me is obviously stupid.  I tell you that so that you'll know when we argue and you think I'm intellectually impaired that even though I won't say it I am just as convinced of how stupid you are.

See there.  Doesn't my filter work excellently?          

Willow,

I've got to say....you definitely have a way with words.

I'd certainly like to debate several of your points, but I feel I'd automatically be at a disadvantage after reading your last paragraph..

The Bald One

[baldo]

And that’s what WE SHOULD take away from the lives of these outstanding men. The pain we feel may not soon pass, but OUR VARIOUS faiths SHOULD tell US that they did not die in vain. OUR belief in our sorrow can make us a better country. WE CAN believe our righteous anger can be transformed into more justice and more peace. Weeping may endure for a night but WE CAN BE convinced joy comes in the morning.

That's how easy it is for those unable to comprehend.

And with a flourish of emoticons that some use to signify they believe they got the last word in I'm outta here.
  ???

Ummm, ok I guess... ??? ???

[solo1]

I decided to keep my life a little simpler by no longer watching either Obama's or Clinton's speeches.

My filter is set to redact lies of any large persuasion.  That seriously cuts into the length of the speeches  so i judged it as a waste of my time.

Besides I can get a recap here,

[baldo]

I understand he only mentioned himself 45 times, must have been a slow day! and he really must not have said much.

Speaks at  a memorial service and only mentions himself 45 times? What a conceited moron. I guess he forgot who was being memorialized.

What in the hell are you talking about? I just read through the transcript twice. I must need new glasses. Please clear that up for me.

I picked a random paragraph from His speech here:

And that’s what I take away from the lives of these outstanding men. The pain we feel may not soon pass, but my faith tells me that they did not die in vain. I believe our sorrow can make us a better country. I believe our righteous anger can be transformed into more justice and more peace. Weeping may endure for a night but I’m convinced joy comes in the morning.

And you take that paragraph as speaking about himself ?

I know....if Obama stepped out of the Oval Office, held a presser in the Rose Garden, and stated...'what a beautiful day', there'd be at least 10 different posts about how much he hates America.

[Serk]

BTW, who knew the route that the "protest" was going to go down that certain street in front of that parking facility?  The cops would need to know, and the protest organizers would need to know, right?  So which one of the two tipped of the shooter?    

He ended up in that parking garage, but didn't start there. He was using a "Shoot and scoot" technique, moving around quickly, executing one cop (At ground level, some at near point blank range) and running to the next, and only ran up into the parking garage as his attack proceeded, he didn't start there.

[G-Man]

BTW, who knew the route that the "protest" was going to go down that certain street in front of that parking facility?  The cops would need to know, and the protest organizers would need to know, right?  So which one of the two tipped of the shooter?    

He ended up in that parking garage, but didn't start there. He was using a "Shoot and scoot" technique, moving around quickly, executing one cop (At ground level, some at near point blank range) and running to the next, and only ran up into the parking garage as his attack proceeded, he didn't start there.

  

[G-Man]

I understand he only mentioned himself 45 times, must have been a slow day! and he really must not have said much.

Speaks at  a memorial service and only mentions himself 45 times? What a conceited moron. I guess he forgot who was being memorialized.

What in the hell are you talking about? I just read through the transcript twice. I must need new glasses. Please clear that up for me.

I picked a random paragraph from His speech here:

And that’s what I take away from the lives of these outstanding men. The pain we feel may not soon pass, but my faith tells me that they did not die in vain. I believe our sorrow can make us a better country. I believe our righteous anger can be transformed into more justice and more peace. Weeping may endure for a night but I’m convinced joy comes in the morning.

And you take that paragraph as speaking about himself ?

I know....if Obama stepped out of the Oval Office, held a presser in the Rose Garden, and stated...'what a beautiful day', there'd be at least 10 different posts about how much he hates America.

If that's all he'd say, but we know he'd even turn the weather political.  OH wait, already done.   

[baldo]

I understand he only mentioned himself 45 times, must have been a slow day! and he really must not have said much.

Speaks at  a memorial service and only mentions himself 45 times? What a conceited moron. I guess he forgot who was being memorialized.

What in the hell are you talking about? I just read through the transcript twice. I must need new glasses. Please clear that up for me.

I picked a random paragraph from His speech here:

And that’s what I take away from the lives of these outstanding men. The pain we feel may not soon pass, but my faith tells me that they did not die in vain. I believe our sorrow can make us a better country. I believe our righteous anger can be transformed into more justice and more peace. Weeping may endure for a night but I’m convinced joy comes in the morning.

And you take that paragraph as speaking about himself ?

I know....if Obama stepped out of the Oval Office, held a presser in the Rose Garden, and stated...'what a beautiful day', there'd be at least 10 different posts about how much he hates America.

If that's all he'd say, but we know he'd even turn the weather political.  OH wait, already done.   

I see what you did there.....

[f6john]

[quote author=Willow link=topic=88558.msg871065#msg871065 date=1468421146    Barrack Obama knows more about the Christian Bible than I have given him credit for.

           
[/quote]


      I am not surprised at all. Even Lucifer knows the scriptures from beginning to end. I'm not inferring that Obama is the devil but I do see him as a very cunning person. He will use anything at his disposal to further his purposes.

[Willow]

Willow,
...
I'd certainly like to debate several of your points, but I feel I'd automatically be at a disadvantage after reading your last paragraph..

Not so much at a disadvantage but certainly without a real hope of success.   

It was the reference to the Choctaw, wasn't it?

[MP]

How come they never talk about the white Jewish father who "had the talk" with his young teenage sons?  My father was an athlete who grew up on the lower east side of Manhattan.  At that time, majority of police officers were of a certain ethnicity which disliked Jews.  My father would get singled out by police during schoolyard basketball games and harassed about something that had nothing to do with him.  He was the only Jew on the court.  HIS father, told him when they (police) confront you for any reason, Yes Sir, No Sir, and everyone goes home.  My father taught me this and I taught my teenage son this, and reiterate it often.

Whether the cop is racist, sexist, hates certain religions, is new, is nervous, just had a fight with his wife, just recently lost a partner, whatever, ................  it's ALWAYS better to play their game because you/we can never win.  Yelling, name calling, running, just pisses them off.  

I have  "The Talk" with my sons.  Have had it several times.  They are in their thirties.  We are white.  I live in western ND.  EVERYBODY looks like me!

But, I tell them, and remind myself, do not reach anywhere without telling the officer.  Keep your hands where he can see them.  If you have a gun, tell him exactly where it is, and do it AGAIN if he wants you to reach anywhere in that area.

If you think the stop is WRONG, do NOT argue with the cop.  The side of the road, arguing with a man with a gun, is NOT what you want to do.

Say "Yes Sir, No Sir". Smile.

Get a lawyer, and make your argument in front of a Judge.

EVERYBODY needs to have this talk.

Instead, I see arguments, wrestling matches, name calling, on video all the time.  They are almost begging to get shot!

Do what "The Talk" says to do, and there will be ZERO shootings by mistake.

It has NOTHING to do with being Black.  It has EVERYTHING to do with showing RESPECT. You want to fight it out? Do the fighting in front of the Judge!

[Willow]

      I am not surprised at all. Even Lucifer knows the scriptures from beginning to end. I'm not inferring that Obama is the devil but I do see him as a very cunning person. He will use anything at his disposal to further his purposes.

I think he used the term, Lord.  I don't believe Lucifer uses that term.

I've come to believe that Barrack Obama believes himself to be a follower.  He certainly has a lot of growth needed but then don't we all?  

[The emperor has no clothes]

How come they never talk about the white Jewish father who "had the talk" with his young teenage sons?  My father was an athlete who grew up on the lower east side of Manhattan.  At that time, majority of police officers were of a certain ethnicity which disliked Jews.  My father would get singled out by police during schoolyard basketball games and harassed about something that had nothing to do with him.  He was the only Jew on the court.  HIS father, told him when they (police) confront you for any reason, Yes Sir, No Sir, and everyone goes home.  My father taught me this and I taught my teenage son this, and reiterate it often.

Whether the cop is racist, sexist, hates certain religions, is new, is nervous, just had a fight with his wife, just recently lost a partner, whatever, ................  it's ALWAYS better to play their game because you/we can never win.  Yelling, name calling, running, just pisses them off.  

I have  "The Talk" with my sons.  Have had it several times.  They are in their thirties.  We are white.  I live in western ND.  EVERYBODY looks like me!

But, I tell them, and remind myself, do not reach anywhere without telling the officer.  Keep your hands where he can see them.  If you have a gun, tell him exactly where it is, and do it AGAIN if he wants you to reach anywhere in that area.

If you think the stop is WRONG, do NOT argue with the cop.  The side of the road, arguing with a man with a gun, is NOT what you want to do.

Say "Yes Sir, No Sir". Smile.

Get a lawyer, and make your argument in front of a Judge.

EVERYBODY needs to have this talk.

Instead, I see arguments, wrestling matches, name calling, on video all the time.  They are almost begging to get shot!

Do what "The Talk" says to do, and there will be ZERO shootings by mistake.

It has NOTHING to do with being Black.  It has EVERYTHING to do with showing RESPECT. You want to fight it out? Do the fighting in front of the Judge!

Your inference that if everyone does as you say in "The Talk" there will be no mistaken shootings is completely wrong. A mistaken shooting is just that, a mistake. They can happen for numerous reasons. There was an incident not that long ago of a volunteer officer shooting a guy who was restrained on the ground. Mistakes happen. Cops are human. What we should be doing is learning from them with better, thorough training.

[baldo]

Willow,
...
I'd certainly like to debate several of your points, but I feel I'd automatically be at a disadvantage after reading your last paragraph..

Not so much at a disadvantage but certainly without a real hope of success.   

It was the reference to the Choctaw, wasn't it?

Well, maybe..   As a point of conversation, I almost married a girl from Oklahoma that carried a bit of Choctaw bloodline. She was from Altus and her father still lived on a reservation (don't remember the name). I spent quite a bit of time there 30 yrs ago.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Willow,
...
I'd certainly like to debate several of your points, but I feel I'd automatically be at a disadvantage after reading your last paragraph..

Not so much at a disadvantage but certainly without a real hope of success.   

It was the reference to the Choctaw, wasn't it?

You got something against the Aleut ? 

[Willow]

Willow,
...
I'd certainly like to debate several of your points, but I feel I'd automatically be at a disadvantage after reading your last paragraph..

Not so much at a disadvantage but certainly without a real hope of success.  

It was the reference to the Choctaw, wasn't it?

You got something against the Aleut ?  

I think life is very much about accepting who and what we are including both superiorities and inferiorities.  Most of us have become incredibly uncomfortable because our culture has taught us that everyone is exactly equal in whatever endeavor we find ourselves,  Does no one else comprehend how ignorant one has to be to believe that?  Every experience in life and almost every gathered statistic tells us that is not possible and yet we continue to blindly insist that it is true.

The Aleut.  If they were superior or even equal would they have chosen for themselves to live in the frozen north?    

 

[Serk]

Massive thread drift but meh.

My father in law has always been adamant that he's at least 25% native American.

The spousal unit and I (And a few other family members) recently had a DNA analysis done.

My father in law's daughter doesn't have ANY native American blood in her. Not a drop.

Which means my father in law is incorrect on at least one of two things.

[G-Man]

How come they never talk about the white Jewish father who "had the talk" with his young teenage sons?  My father was an athlete who grew up on the lower east side of Manhattan.  At that time, majority of police officers were of a certain ethnicity which disliked Jews.  My father would get singled out by police during schoolyard basketball games and harassed about something that had nothing to do with him.  He was the only Jew on the court.  HIS father, told him when they (police) confront you for any reason, Yes Sir, No Sir, and everyone goes home.  My father taught me this and I taught my teenage son this, and reiterate it often.

Whether the cop is racist, sexist, hates certain religions, is new, is nervous, just had a fight with his wife, just recently lost a partner, whatever, ................  it's ALWAYS better to play their game because you/we can never win.  Yelling, name calling, running, just pisses them off.  

I have  "The Talk" with my sons.  Have had it several times.  They are in their thirties.  We are white.  I live in western ND.  EVERYBODY looks like me!

But, I tell them, and remind myself, do not reach anywhere without telling the officer.  Keep your hands where he can see them.  If you have a gun, tell him exactly where it is, and do it AGAIN if he wants you to reach anywhere in that area.

If you think the stop is WRONG, do NOT argue with the cop.  The side of the road, arguing with a man with a gun, is NOT what you want to do.

Say "Yes Sir, No Sir". Smile.

Get a lawyer, and make your argument in front of a Judge.

EVERYBODY needs to have this talk.

Instead, I see arguments, wrestling matches, name calling, on video all the time.  They are almost begging to get shot!

Do what "The Talk" says to do, and there will be ZERO shootings by mistake.

It has NOTHING to do with being Black.  It has EVERYTHING to do with showing RESPECT. You want to fight it out? Do the fighting in front of the Judge!

Your inference that if everyone does as you say in "The Talk" there will be no mistaken shootings is completely wrong. A mistaken shooting is just that, a mistake. They can happen for numerous reasons. There was an incident not that long ago of a volunteer officer shooting a guy who was restrained on the ground. Mistakes happen. Cops are human. What we should be doing is learning from them with better, thorough training.

Wow, you'll argue anything.

This time, you're arguing that following "the Talk" won't do what it is intended to do.  So the poster used the word ZERO.  OK maybe not zero, but probably 99% as the cops firing of his weapon, or use of another type of force, is not the ACTION, it's the REACTION to the other person's behavior.  So, eliminating the initial action by following "the talk", we pretty much eliminate the reaction by the officer.  We see what the alternate behavior gets you, "the talk" has to be better.  I know not ZERO.

[The emperor has no clothes]

How come they never talk about the white Jewish father who "had the talk" with his young teenage sons?  My father was an athlete who grew up on the lower east side of Manhattan.  At that time, majority of police officers were of a certain ethnicity which disliked Jews.  My father would get singled out by police during schoolyard basketball games and harassed about something that had nothing to do with him.  He was the only Jew on the court.  HIS father, told him when they (police) confront you for any reason, Yes Sir, No Sir, and everyone goes home.  My father taught me this and I taught my teenage son this, and reiterate it often.

Whether the cop is racist, sexist, hates certain religions, is new, is nervous, just had a fight with his wife, just recently lost a partner, whatever, ................  it's ALWAYS better to play their game because you/we can never win.  Yelling, name calling, running, just pisses them off.  

I have  "The Talk" with my sons.  Have had it several times.  They are in their thirties.  We are white.  I live in western ND.  EVERYBODY looks like me!

But, I tell them, and remind myself, do not reach anywhere without telling the officer.  Keep your hands where he can see them.  If you have a gun, tell him exactly where it is, and do it AGAIN if he wants you to reach anywhere in that area.

If you think the stop is WRONG, do NOT argue with the cop.  The side of the road, arguing with a man with a gun, is NOT what you want to do.

Say "Yes Sir, No Sir". Smile.

Get a lawyer, and make your argument in front of a Judge.

EVERYBODY needs to have this talk.

Instead, I see arguments, wrestling matches, name calling, on video all the time.  They are almost begging to get shot!

Do what "The Talk" says to do, and there will be ZERO shootings by mistake.

It has NOTHING to do with being Black.  It has EVERYTHING to do with showing RESPECT. You want to fight it out? Do the fighting in front of the Judge!

Your inference that if everyone does as you say in "The Talk" there will be no mistaken shootings is completely wrong. A mistaken shooting is just that, a mistake. They can happen for numerous reasons. There was an incident not that long ago of a volunteer officer shooting a guy who was restrained on the ground. Mistakes happen. Cops are human. What we should be doing is learning from them with better, thorough training.

Wow, you'll argue anything.

This time, you're arguing that following "the Talk" won't do what it is intended to do.  So the poster used the word ZERO.  OK maybe not zero, but probably 99% as the cops firing of his weapon, or use of another type of force, is not the ACTION, it's the REACTION to the other person's behavior.  So, eliminating the initial action by following "the talk", we pretty much eliminate the reaction by the officer.  We see what the alternate behavior gets you, "the talk" has to be better.  I know not ZERO.

G-man, you requested that I not respond to your posts a while back. I've done my best to follow thru with that. I'm not arguing with MP about anything. I am pointing out that mistakes happen.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Massive thread drift but meh.

My father in law has always been adamant that he's at least 25% native American.

The spousal unit and I (And a few other family members) recently dad a DNA analysis done.

My father in law's daughter doesn't have ANY native American blood in her. Not a drop.

Which means my father in law is incorrect on at least one of two things.

He didn't used to date Elizabeth Warren did he ?

[Willow]

Massive thread drift but meh.

My father in law has always been adamant that he's at least 25% native American.

The spousal unit and I (And a few other family members) recently had a DNA analysis done.

My father in law's daughter doesn't have ANY native American blood in her. Not a drop.

Which means my father in law is incorrect on at least one of two things.

Let's not jump to conclusions.  There is another possibility.   

[f6gal]

Massive thread drift but meh.

My father in law has always been adamant that he's at least 25% native American.

The spousal unit and I (And a few other family members) recently had a DNA analysis done.

My father in law's daughter doesn't have ANY native American blood in her. Not a drop.

Which means my father in law is incorrect on at least one of two things.

Maybe they need to go on the Maury show.  There is one other way to explain his 25% and her 0%.  

EDIT: Crap, Carl beat me by a minute.

[..]

Massive thread drift but meh.

My father in law has always been adamant that he's at least 25% native American.

The spousal unit and I (And a few other family members) recently had a DNA analysis done.

My father in law's daughter doesn't have ANY native American blood in her. Not a drop.

Which means my father in law is incorrect on at least one of two things.

 

[Serk]

Let's not jump to conclusions.  There is another possibility.   

...that's why I said he is incorrect on "at least one of two things"...

[Red Diamond]

Let's not jump to conclusions.  There is another possibility.   

Maybe they need to go on the Maury show.  There is one other way to explain his 25% and her 0%. 

EDIT: Crap, Carl beat me by a minute.

Loves these political posts, I, (as in me) hope you are not suggesting Serks mother-in-law has been on a walk between the Pews!!!

[Willow]

Let's not jump to conclusions.  There is another possibility.   

...that's why I said he is incorrect on "at least one of two things"...

LOL.  Yes, I got those two.  You're certain the DNA test and report are absolutely accurate?

I was actually aiming at the second of the two.  

That experience with Connie -  I want to point out that has never happened before.  It has happened with me before but never with Connie.  

[Serk]

You're certain the DNA test and report are absolutely accurate?

Anything's possible, but they're pretty careful making sure they get the right results to the right person and have had over a million tests done, so they've got a pretty broad base of data to draw from...

(It was interesting, not that I ever questioned it, but so far we've had mine, my wife's, my eldest spawn, my mother in law, my mother and my father analyzed. The tool drew the conclusions and told me my mom is my mom, my dad is my dad, my daughter is my daughter, my daughter is my wife's daughter and my wife is her mom's daughter. Now we just need to get her dad to pay the $199 for a test and have his done to tie that loose end up...)

[The emperor has no clothes]

Let's not jump to conclusions.  There is another possibility.   

Maybe they need to go on the Maury show.  There is one other way to explain his 25% and her 0%. 

EDIT: Crap, Carl beat me by a minute.

Loves these political posts, I, (as in me) hope you are not suggesting Serks mother-in-law has been on a walk between the Pews!!!

A walk between the Pews.  Never heard that one before. 

[Willow]

You're certain the DNA test and report are absolutely accurate?

Anything's possible, but they're pretty careful making sure they get the right results to the right person and have had over a million tests done, so they've got a pretty broad base of data to draw from...

(It was interesting, not that I ever questioned it, but so far we've had mine, my wife's, my eldest spawn, my mother in law, my mother and my father analyzed. The tool drew the conclusions and told me my mom is my mom, my dad is my dad, my daughter is my daughter, my daughter is my wife's daughter and my wife is her mom's daughter. Now we just need to get her dad to pay the $199 for a test and have his done to tie that loose end up...)

Another thing to consider is that American Indian tribes were not always tied to genetics.  There was some issue with some of the five civilized tribes taking in escaped slaves as members.  Some of the plains Indians would kidnap youngsters and women and absorb them into the tribe.  Though they were "absorbed" it was not unusual for them to not be mated to ethnic tribal members.

[Serk]

You're certain the DNA test and report are absolutely accurate?

Anything's possible, but they're pretty careful making sure they get the right results to the right person and have had over a million tests done, so they've got a pretty broad base of data to draw from...

(It was interesting, not that I ever questioned it, but so far we've had mine, my wife's, my eldest spawn, my mother in law, my mother and my father analyzed. The tool drew the conclusions and told me my mom is my mom, my dad is my dad, my daughter is my daughter, my daughter is my wife's daughter and my wife is her mom's daughter. Now we just need to get her dad to pay the $199 for a test and have his done to tie that loose end up...)

Another thing to consider is that American Indian tribes were not always tied to genetics.  There was some issue with some of the five civilized tribes taking in escaped slaves as members.  Some of the plains Indians would kidnap youngsters and women and absorb them into the tribe.  Though they were "absorbed" it was not unusual for them to not be mated to ethnic tribal members.

True... But at what point can someone who was adopted into the society claim to be "of" that society?

(I don't know the answer to that, just something to consider)

Interesting observation - genetically "native American" and "East Asian" are indistinguishable and one in the same.

Somewhat related, in my research of genetics it's interesting how many people that have historically hated each other and killed each other at every opportunity are genetically the same peoples and indistinguishable:

Scottish and British
British and Irish
Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews
European French and European Germans

Anyway... yeah, major threadjack but really, isn't this a lot more interesting than what we started off with?

Oh, and just because I like oversharing, I'm:
99.6% European
.2% Native American or East Asian 
.2% ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

(It further breaks down the various regions of Europe I'm from but I won't bore ya'll with that.)

And I'm sure more than a few people here won't be surprised to hear I have a higher than average amount of Neanderthal DNA in my genome, at slightly under 4% of my total.

[The emperor has no clothes]

You're certain the DNA test and report are absolutely accurate?

Anything's possible, but they're pretty careful making sure they get the right results to the right person and have had over a million tests done, so they've got a pretty broad base of data to draw from...

(It was interesting, not that I ever questioned it, but so far we've had mine, my wife's, my eldest spawn, my mother in law, my mother and my father analyzed. The tool drew the conclusions and told me my mom is my mom, my dad is my dad, my daughter is my daughter, my daughter is my wife's daughter and my wife is her mom's daughter. Now we just need to get her dad to pay the $199 for a test and have his done to tie that loose end up...)

Another thing to consider is that American Indian tribes were not always tied to genetics.  There was some issue with some of the five civilized tribes taking in escaped slaves as members.  Some of the plains Indians would kidnap youngsters and women and absorb them into the tribe.  Though they were "absorbed" it was not unusual for them to not be mated to ethnic tribal members.

True... But at what point can someone who was adopted into the society claim to be "of" that society?

(I don't know the answer to that, just something to consider)

Interesting observation - genetically "native American" and "East Asian" are indistinguishable and one in the same.

Somewhat related, in my research of genetics it's interesting how many people that have historically hated each other and killed each other at every opportunity are genetically the same peoples and indistinguishable:

Scottish and British
British and Irish
Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews
European French and European Germans

Anyway... yeah, major threadjack but really, isn't this a lot more interesting than what we started off with?

Oh, and just because I like oversharing, I'm:
99.6% European
.2% Native American or East Asian 
.2% ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

(It further breaks down the various regions of Europe I'm from but I won't bore ya'll with that.)

And I'm sure more than a few people here won't be surprised to hear I have a higher than average amount of Neanderthal DNA in my genome, at slightly under 4% of my total.

It is definitely more interesting  Do you really have that much Neanderthal or are you pulling our legs ? Also how far can they break down the European part ?

[Serk]

It is definitely more interesting  Do you really have that much Neanderthal or are you pulling our legs ? Also how far can they break down the European part ?

For once I was being completely serious. The latest research is showing everyone other than pure sub-Saharan Africans have some Neanderthal in them. (Current theory is as Homo Sapiens moved out of Africa, we didn't kill off the European Neanderthals, we interbred with them and absorbed them, then continued migrating out across the world.)

As far as how far they can break down the European part, about like this:

[Jess Tolbirt]

O HAD to go into gun control, which would NOT have prevented ANY of the recent killings.

His quote "it is easier for a teenager to buy a Glock than a textbook".

How in the H*** is that true?  Take $50, walk in, buy a textbook, and walk out.

To buy a Glock, one MUST be 18, go thru a background check, and pay $4-900 or so.

How is the textbook harder to buy?  Lying thru his teeth again, at a Memorial to fallen Police Officers!  I have given up figuring how low he can go.

they did a show once on 20/20 and gave an 8th grader 200 dollars to go buy guns,, he came back with 4.. 2 glocks 40 cal and 2 colts 45 cal... i watched that one myself...

[Gavin_Sons]

O HAD to go into gun control, which would NOT have prevented ANY of the recent killings.

His quote "it is easier for a teenager to buy a Glock than a textbook".

How in the H*** is that true?  Take $50, walk in, buy a textbook, and walk out.

To buy a Glock, one MUST be 18, go thru a background check, and pay $4-900 or so.

How is the textbook harder to buy?  Lying thru his teeth again, at a Memorial to fallen Police Officers!  I have given up figuring how low he can go.

they did a show once on 20/20 and gave an 8th grader 200 dollars to go buy guns,, he came back with 4.. 2 glocks 40 cal and 2 colts 45 cal... i watched that one myself...

  yeah that wasn't set up just for your entertainment.   

[MP]

How come they never talk about the white Jewish father who "had the talk" with his young teenage sons?  My father was an athlete who grew up on the lower east side of Manhattan.  At that time, majority of police officers were of a certain ethnicity which disliked Jews.  My father would get singled out by police during schoolyard basketball games and harassed about something that had nothing to do with him.  He was the only Jew on the court.  HIS father, told him when they (police) confront you for any reason, Yes Sir, No Sir, and everyone goes home.  My father taught me this and I taught my teenage son this, and reiterate it often.

Whether the cop is racist, sexist, hates certain religions, is new, is nervous, just had a fight with his wife, just recently lost a partner, whatever, ................  it's ALWAYS better to play their game because you/we can never win.  Yelling, name calling, running, just pisses them off.  

I have  "The Talk" with my sons.  Have had it several times.  They are in their thirties.  We are white.  I live in western ND.  EVERYBODY looks like me!

But, I tell them, and remind myself, do not reach anywhere without telling the officer.  Keep your hands where he can see them.  If you have a gun, tell him exactly where it is, and do it AGAIN if he wants you to reach anywhere in that area.

If you think the stop is WRONG, do NOT argue with the cop.  The side of the road, arguing with a man with a gun, is NOT what you want to do.

Say "Yes Sir, No Sir". Smile.

Get a lawyer, and make your argument in front of a Judge.

EVERYBODY needs to have this talk.

Instead, I see arguments, wrestling matches, name calling, on video all the time.  They are almost begging to get shot!

Do what "The Talk" says to do, and there will be ZERO shootings by mistake.

It has NOTHING to do with being Black.  It has EVERYTHING to do with showing RESPECT. You want to fight it out? Do the fighting in front of the Judge!

Your inference that if everyone does as you say in "The Talk" there will be no mistaken shootings is completely wrong. A mistaken shooting is just that, a mistake. They can happen for numerous reasons. There was an incident not that long ago of a volunteer officer shooting a guy who was restrained on the ground. Mistakes happen. Cops are human. What we should be doing is learning from them with better, thorough training.

I should have been clearer about the ZERO comment.  It was meant to refer to those situations, like recently, where the citizen did NOT follow the cops wishes, and was shot.  It will not take care of total mistakes, such as accidental discharge.

LA, the citizen was struggling on the ground with law enforcement.  He had a gun in his pocket.  You can see the right arm free, and potentially reaching for the gun.  Following "The Talks" guidelines WOULD have prevented that.

MN, kind of murky.  GF says he was totally complying with the cop,  However, right after the shooting, where her video begins, the cop is hollering that he did NOT follow his instructions to not reach.  If "The Talks" rules were followed, I doubt that this shooting would have happened either.

The case you mention, where the part time cop had the accidental discharge, it would NOT have helped.  Better training would. Even then, they sometimes happen.

As Serk said, probably 99% of these shootings would NOT happen.  I should have explained better exactly what I was reffering to.  My fault.

[Oss]

what I learned in this thread

Serk may be part jewish (ashkanazi)  
MP says he was wrong and apologized for a non error and admitted he is indeed White and so are his kids
G man has had the Talk with Eric
Carl has walked out on a sermon
Oss has also walked out on a sermon and in fact is still out
(ok I knew that one already)
Meathead may be part Eskimo Aleut
Baldo may have escaped a shotgun wedding to a gal from Oklahoma
Solo doesnt watch much tv anymore
Britman has mastered emoticoms

That was fun    

[Gavin_Sons]

what I learned in this thread

Serk may be part jewish (ashkanazi)  
MP says he was wrong and apologized for a non error and admitted he is indeed White and so are his kids
G man has had the Talk with Eric
Carl has walked out on a sermon
Oss has also walked out on a sermon and in fact is still out
(ok I knew that one already)
Meathead may be part Eskimo Aleut
Baldo may have escaped a shotgun wedding to a gal from Oklahoma
Solo doesnt watch much tv anymore
Britman has mastered emoticoms

That was fun    

ha, you got nothing on me