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From everything I've seen and read they are distancing themselves because they have moral issues with Trump. Would you have them be dishonest and ignore what they believe is morally right ? It gives me hope that there is a future for the Republican Party. Then they should NOT have signed a pledge of support and then broken it! Honest, moral my a$$. Sore losers is a better description. The picture appears as an accurate depiction. |
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Does anyone really think that either wife wrote their speech?
If so I have a bridge for sale.
Does anyone really think it matters?
Same bridge still for sale.
I hope that violence takes a break, but suspect it will not.
Melania said she wrote her speech. You don't think she would embellish her credentials do you ? Actually, she said she tried to write it with as little help as possible (paraphrased). Thanks for the update, seems someone either is mistaken or is being misleading? What a surprise. |
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Watching the RNC on TV, one of Trump's sons is speaking. Donald Jr., I think. He just said something that rings true. I didn't say it was fact but, it does ring true IMHO. No one without the political clout the Clinton's have could do it. If Hillary Clinton is elected, she'll be the first President elected who can't pass a back ground check.
I didn't see it but supposedly Cristie gave a pretty crowd pleasing speech. According to the reporter telling the story, what unites the Republican Party is more of an Anti-Hillary Clinton movement than a Pro-Donald Trump movement. This I would agree with.
I've been at work all afternoon. Anyone get arrested, hospitalized or killed? Already heard about the first arrested person, a protester against Trump. It seems she had an arrest warrant out on her. Big surprise there, huh.
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« Reply #86 on: July 20, 2016, 07:19:33 PM » |
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Cruz essentially endorsed himself saying he was the standard bearer of true conservatism. He refused to endorse trump and only said his name once in his opening statement congratulating him on winning the nomination. I like Cruz about as well as all his fellow politicans  but have to say he might just have done a smart thing for himself in the future. |
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« Reply #90 on: July 20, 2016, 07:35:12 PM » |
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Cruz essentially endorsed himself saying he was the standard bearer of true conservatism. He refused to endorse trump and only said his name once in his opening statement congratulating him on winning the nomination. I like Cruz about as well as all his fellow politicans bit he might just have done a smart thing for himself in the future. Or, something the "team" won't forget, something very stupid. To be honest, I would have preferred a Cruz nomination over Trump but, Cruz didn't get the votes and whether or not I like Cruz better than Trump is no longer the issue. The goal is to beat clinton. I fully support that goal but, if Cruz is so self absorbed as to only think about himself, then he may not be someone I could support in the future. Hard for me to say, I didn't see the speech. Pence is speaking now, he's a hard guy not to like IHMO. I'm sure that depends on the viewer's perspective though. Ride safe. |
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« Reply #91 on: July 20, 2016, 07:41:11 PM » |
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Cruz essentially endorsed himself saying he was the standard bearer of true conservatism. He refused to endorse trump and only said his name once in his opening statement congratulating him on winning the nomination. I like Cruz about as well as all his fellow politicans bit he might just have done a smart thing for himself in the future. Or, something the "team" won't forget, something very stupid. To be honest, I would have preferred a Cruz nomination over Trump but, Cruz didn't get the votes and whether or not I like Cruz better than Trump is no longer the issue. The goal is to beat clinton. I fully support that goal but, if Cruz is so self absorbed as to only think about himself, then he may not be someone I could support in the future. Hard for me to say, I didn't see the speech. Pence is speaking now, he's a hard guy not to like IHMO. I'm sure that depends on the viewer's perspective though. Ride safe. He's alright. Seemed kind of odd that Trump walked out before his speech though. |
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Cruz essentially endorsed himself saying he was the standard bearer of true conservatism. He refused to endorse trump and only said his name once in his opening statement congratulating him on winning the nomination. I like Cruz about as well as all his fellow politicans bit he might just have done a smart thing for himself in the future. Or, something the "team" won't forget, something very stupid. Very possible. it might come back to bite him. Whatever happens it was a coldly calculated gamble. He either believes trump will loose badly and doesn't want to be stained by association or he really believes trump is not a real conservative and was standing up for his principles. Really, the only thing I know about Cruz is he is almost universally disliked by his fellow politicans in DC. no idea why. |
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I surely hope they take the same approach at next week's Dem. Convention. I have my doubts.
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So do you think he made the smart move ? Time will tell... But the smart move is often not the honorable one, and vice versa. I hear you. I don't know if it will work in his favor. But I will give him credit for doing it. It is mind boggling that they would let him do it. It's their party, they didn't have to let him speak. |
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So do you think he made the smart move ? Time will tell... But the smart move is often not the honorable one, and vice versa. I hear you. I don't know if it will work in his favor. But I will give him credit for doing it. It is mind boggling that they would let him do it. It's their party, they didn't have to let him speak. I really didn't hear anything that bad from him. He didn't flat out endorse Mr. Trump but he didn't rip him either... I mean... Ted Cruz: "Vote your conscience." Many GOP voters: "That son of a bitch." Hmmm... |
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So do you think he made the smart move ? Time will tell... But the smart move is often not the honorable one, and vice versa. I hear you. I don't know if it will work in his favor. But I will give him credit for doing it. It is mind boggling that they would let him do it. It's their party, they didn't have to let him speak. you would think they would have wanted to see his speech in advance. I don't know if that's typically done or not. I think it will be to his advantage in the long term whether Trump wins or loses. I understand they even booed his wife out of the convention. The speech wasn't bad but conventions are for unifying the party and getting behind the canadate. By not specifically endorsing Trump it sends the strong message the Republican party is deeply divided. You can bet the democrats will have a lot to say about this in the coming election. |
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So do you think he made the smart move ? Time will tell... But the smart move is often not the honorable one, and vice versa. I hear you. I don't know if it will work in his favor. But I will give him credit for doing it. It is mind boggling that they would let him do it. It's their party, they didn't have to let him speak. you would think they would have wanted to see his speech in advance. I don't know if that's typically done or not. I think it will be to his advantage in the long term whether Trump wins or loses. I understand they even booed his wife out of the convention. I am beginning to think they have no idea what they are doing. Almost all of the speakers have hardly said a good word about Trump. It's been all about "let's throw Clinton in jail". And a major difference in the nominees this time around... Cruz didn't flat out Trump and was boo'ed.
I'd be willing to bet if Bernie refused to endorse Hillary, Bernie would be found to have committed suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head 4 times or one of the other many things that happen to people who cross a Clinton...
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So do you think he made the smart move ? Time will tell... But the smart move is often not the honorable one, and vice versa. I hear you. I don't know if it will work in his favor. But I will give him credit for doing it. It is mind boggling that they would let him do it. It's their party, they didn't have to let him speak. you would think they would have wanted to see his speech in advance. I don't know if that's typically done or not. I think it will be to his advantage in the long term whether Trump wins or loses. I understand they even booed his wife out of the convention. I am beginning to think they have no idea what they are doing. Almost all of the speakers have hardly said a good word about Trump. It's been all about "let's throw Clinton in jail". And a major difference in the nominees this time around... Cruz didn't flat out Trump and was boo'ed.
I'd be willing to bet if Bernie refused to endorse Hillary, Bernie would be found to have committed suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head 4 times or one of the other many things that happen to people who cross a Clinton...
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I surely hope they take the same approach at next week's Dem. Convention. I have my doubts.
This has been the most dysfunctional convention I remember seeing. Starting from day 1 on thru day 3. They better pull it together tomorrow . Based on the reported support this convention is getting from the Republican leadership, you expect more? I'll admit I'm disappointed in what I've seen and heard. But, I also realize we've got some newbies or less experienced folks try'n to figure it out as they fumble along. I don't mind because I'm tired of the "conventional" wisdom associated with our process. I'm sure the Dems will have their act together though. There are none better than the clintons, their foundation and the support crowd. |
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Trump's kids continue to knock it out of the park.
As to Cruz's speech. The reports are that the speech was "vetted" and the Trump folks let him have the stage anyway. Good call.
The option was let the man who came in 2nd have his say and have it over put behind them or deny him the opportunity and have the narrative of Republican division and backstabbing loom over the coming campaign for months.
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Pence was absolutely fabulous and has come out of nowhere to take the helm of being at the top of the Conservative list. His future is bright and if and when he decides to run for the highest office in the future it may be him at the top if he wants it. Might be Donald Trump Jr also as he showed America what a true and great spoken conservative he is, something I had already know for some time. Mike Pence is a tremendous asset to the Trump campaign.
I suspect that you may be correct about Cruz's future. Although he was my personal favorite among the various candidates. In reference to Pence, we shall see. If he can do anything like he did in Indiana for the US as a whole, he'll be moving into the White House at some point. I don't expect the Trump/Pence ticket to beat the clinton campaign/foundation but, I also don't think running with Trump will hurt Pence. As it is with most conservatives, this is not for me so much about thinking Trump is my man, I fully admit this is all about keeping clinton out of the WH. The clintons, pelowsi, reed, obama and sharpton have already damaged this country, we don't need another round. |
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I really didn't hear anything that bad from him. He didn't flat out endorse Mr. Trump but he didn't rip him either... I mean...
Ted Cruz: "Vote your conscience."
Many GOP voters: "That son of a bitch."
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I tend to agree but, not endorsing Trump was a mistake. IMHO, he was still campaigning for a lost cause. I would suggest that in hind sight, it would have been better for him to simply make an appearance and to have kept his mouth shut. Cruz got a lot of public support during his campaign but, not from his fellow politicians. I doubt he's made any more friends from last night's performance. Some of the Republican leadership have chosen to not even be there. While I think that shows bad judgement on their part, it's smarter than what Cruz did last night. I know, I know. My opinion only matters to me. |
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Then a piece about the GOP hosting campaign donors and how terrible that was.
Hypocritical load of tossers. Bet none of that gets mentioned during the DNC.
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Some clever words from Gingrich
Now I think you misunderstood one paragraph that Ted Cruz, who is a superb orator, said, and I just want to point it out to you, Ted Cruz said you can vote your conscience for anyone who will uphold the Constitution. In this election, there is only one candidate who will uphold the Constitution.
So to paraphrase Ted Cruz, if you want to protect the Constitution of United States, the only possible candidate this fall is the Trump-Pence Republican ticket.
That way we have a Republican ticket to implement Republican principles in Washington.
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« Reply #116 on: July 21, 2016, 06:20:46 AM » |
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The GOP has so many babies who want to take their ball home if they can't play the game they want.
Compare that to the democrat play book where everyone eventually backs the front runner.
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« Reply #117 on: July 21, 2016, 06:56:13 AM » |
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Good Morning America ran a short piece about the Trump campaign not spending any money on TV ads so it must be broke.
Then a piece about the GOP hosting campaign donors and how terrible that was.
Hypocritical load of tossers. Bet none of that gets mentioned during the DNC.
It's so biased it's laughable and if anyone watches it and sits there nodding wisely please increase your meds.
This applies to both sides.
Nearly forgot, then they showed a screen overlaid with company names on and amount donated. Will they do that during the DNC. Of course not.
The talking heads like Stephanopolous sit spewing drivel for the masses to suck up.
I agree this has been the most biased media coverage that I have ever seen during a convention. I've been watching it on Cspan instead because they are airing the convention without political commentary. I'm fully capable of watching it and deciding for myself what I think. I don't need the talking heads telling me what I should think and I resent them attempting to do so. Of course thare are plenty of people among us that can only parrot what the talking heads tell them. |
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« Reply #118 on: July 21, 2016, 07:14:26 AM » |
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Cruz's moment didn't last very long.
Some clever words from Gingrich
Now I think you misunderstood one paragraph that Ted Cruz, who is a superb orator, said, and I just want to point it out to you, Ted Cruz said you can vote your conscience for anyone who will uphold the Constitution. In this election, there is only one candidate who will uphold the Constitution.
So to paraphrase Ted Cruz, if you want to protect the Constitution of United States, the only possible candidate this fall is the Trump-Pence Republican ticket.
That way we have a Republican ticket to implement Republican principles in Washington.
Gingrich was knowingly trying to do Cruz and Trump a favor, and should be thanked for that. Cruz shot himself in the foot, leg, A$$ and all. Better to have kept his mouth shut and have folks suspect he is an A$$ rather than open his mouth and prove it. Trump and the republican folks did the right thing to allow the 2nd place runner up to speak freely. Cruz lost many supporters last night and I suspect that he will never recover from it. As for the MSM coverage, it is difficult to hear the speakers over the moderators, and the moderators over the background noise. |
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« Reply #119 on: July 21, 2016, 07:50:21 AM » |
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Today a comparison came to me about Donal Trump, I knew he reminded me of someone for quite some time and I could never put my finger on it.
When I was a kid something happened in the world of Major League Baseball, an unknown businessman bought the New York Yankees. People and fans knew nothing of George Steinbrenner and said his lack of experience in the world of baseball would be the final nail in the future of the Yankees. George's hands on approach, demanding attitude toward winning and personal involvement in the team returned the Yankees to the once proud and strong organization they were.
Today, we, the United States of America are the New York Yankees and Trump is our George Steinbrenner, a business man. A man who takes a personal interest in his company and has a true hands on attitude in the way things are done. Like George, the things Trump says and does are not always popular but time has run out and things need to fixed quickly and people need to be fired.
I know running America is not the same as owning a sports franchise but this analogy sure has a place in what is happening now. George and Donald are cut from the same cloth and demand excellence from those around them for the job they are hired to do and if that person cannot do do what is expected they're gone without hesitation.
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