Wouldn't it be good news if

[The emperor has no clothes]

Since you didn't answer Willows post and mine would be a duplicate didn't see the need to repost. Your discounting the whole story instead of admitting that there may have been the torturing of Chris Stevens we just haven't received the confirmation from the government yet. So why do you think this also is if there is nothing to hide and why is the final ruling by Snopes was UNDETERMINED. This liberal half honest reporting has said Undetermined.  You do realize that you are loosing ground right? That public opinion as well as intellectuals are saying Hillary is a lying thieving no good so and so. Your defense although admirable is a smoke screen because you have nothing to use in her defense. It would be much better is you admit the these facts and not try to discredit your fellow VRCC members when you have not provided any facts and cannot refute the stories since there is nothing credible in Hillary to go on.

You also realize that Hillary herself is looking for someone to endorse her that will endorse her credibility dont you? So if your campaign is telling you there is a problem with credibility how serious and how many are telling her that? Now thats a problem.



Aug 5 2016, 7:32 pm ET
Hillary Clinton Makes the Case for Trust to Black Journalists

by Khorri Atkinson and Deonna Anderson
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/hillary-clinton-makes-case-trust-black-journalists-n623746

 

She cant get whites to trust her so now shes going to blacks insulting them like they are so stupid to accept her lies.  

Of course if you read the article she is trying to buy off Latinos with immigration changes.

Ok little fishes I just put a bigger worm on the hook lets see if they are dumb enough to take it she says. Oh wait there was a fairly tale come into my house said the spider to the fly.  

So many questions and so little time .   First of all I didn't realize Willow asked me a question. What is it that you feel I am not answering ? As far as the Snopes saying it was undetermined. Like I said, I think Willow's explanation that the picture was not him but they couldn't verify method of death seems logical. As far as the torture of the ambassador , I wasn't there and don't personally know. But the story put forth that his cousin said  has been proven to be utter bullshit. You did see that right ? I linked a polifacts article to it. That is what I know. Anything else on my part would be speculation. Which is what you seem to be basing your whole scenario on. You may feel I'm losing ground (or loosing) but I don't see it as a fight. I put forth facts, if you don't care to see them that's up to you. As far as my defending Clinton, that is not what I am doing . I just prefer to base my opinions on truth not falsehoods of bogus pics, made up stories by a fictious cousin. I grant public opinion of Cintons honesty is not positive. I never said it was. Which members of the VRCC did I discredit ? As far as all your other accusations about blacks and Latinos and endorsements. Maybe you should start another thread on that, it getting out way afield of the subject at hand.

[Bighead]

Don't get this wrong Robert I am 100 % on your side about the POs running on the Dem side but I don't think he is in the minority on this issue. But I think in Meaheads defense ( did I just type that?) he has stated he is not a HRC fan. But a ton of the free crap army don't give a tinkers Damn what she has done or said or lied about all the want is what they are entitled to.
The Word Entitlement gets my Pressure Waaaaaaaay up. But when you have more riding the wagon than pulling it you are in ( as in we) a bad state of affairs. I truly fear for this country. Once the greatest on the planet but now the laughing stock of the world, weak head between the legs bunch of do nothings.

Have you really talked to anyone on this issue other than read the stats that are reported on?  I have talked to quite a few people and the majority endorse Trump. Black, white, not to many Hispanics have I had the opportunity to speak with but I would say that 75 percent of those I talk to are tired of the Hillary crap and the government as a whole. Now if you start to look at the numbers of gun sales and the fact that trump got so far so fast I dont see this as a minority. I know its not official but neither is propaganda. Tokyo Rose just spoke lies about numbers and defeat and it disheartened some. But it did not win the war it just made life stink for those that believed her. The surveys have been wrong before and there's other indicators that go way against the polls. Why would anyone not question the poll numbers especially when some have the same owners as the media outlets endorsing Hillary and O.

Yes have talked with many and only personally know one person who is a believer in HRC. I hope that you are correct In you perception of things. I truly do.

[Robert]

Don't get this wrong Robert I am 100 % on your side about the POs running on the Dem side but I don't think he is in the minority on this issue. But I think in Meaheads defense ( did I just type that?) he has stated he is not a HRC fan. But a ton of the free crap army don't give a tinkers Damn what she has done or said or lied about all the want is what they are entitled to.
The Word Entitlement gets my Pressure Waaaaaaaay up. But when you have more riding the wagon than pulling it you are in ( as in we) a bad state of affairs. I truly fear for this country. Once the greatest on the planet but now the laughing stock of the world, weak head between the legs bunch of do nothings.

Have you really talked to anyone on this issue other than read the stats that are reported on?  I have talked to quite a few people and the majority endorse Trump. Black, white, not to many Hispanics have I had the opportunity to speak with but I would say that 75 percent of those I talk to are tired of the Hillary crap and the government as a whole. Now if you start to look at the numbers of gun sales and the fact that trump got so far so fast I dont see this as a minority. I know its not official but neither is propaganda. Tokyo Rose just spoke lies about numbers and defeat and it disheartened some. But it did not win the war it just made life stink for those that believed her. The surveys have been wrong before and there's other indicators that go way against the polls. Why would anyone not question the poll numbers especially when some have the same owners as the media outlets endorsing Hillary and O.

Yes have talked with many and only personally know one person who is a believer in HRC. I hope that you are correct In you perception of things. I truly do.

If you divide in the liberal mentality then you conquer because everyone is to afraid to ask questions or stand with what they believe in. Heck most I talked to sheepishly would answer until I told them what I believed, since when did it become a problem to voice your opinion in this country? If you insult people they shrink away but its time to stop this nonsense. Why do you think we are not a Christian nation according to O and we are bigots according to gender correctness? Because if we really had a backbone and stuck to our heritage we would not have these problems in our country. Why do you think they teach that crap in schools, its because they start young and when we die out they will have them right where they want them. Without a struggle and without a fight, just like the state knows whats better for your child than you do. 

I think this is what Japan found when it said we did nothing but awake a sleeping giant. I think the majority is starting to get a back bone and if the majority start to realize that each is not alone in their ideas and not being immoral or mean but saving a country all dearly love I think we would see some positive results quickly. Why do we not take a page from the Trump campaign and realize it was the common man that put him where he is over the heads of those supposedly in power. They are only in power as long as we are to weak to change by votes, calls and letting our displease be known that we the people are in power.

[The emperor has no clothes]

If we "had a backbone and stuck to our heritage" women wouldn't be voting and blacks would be in slavery. We as a free society evolve. It's what smart people do. 

[Bighead]

If we "had a backbone and stuck to our heritage" women wouldn't be voting and blacks would be in slavery. We as a free society evolve. It's what smart people do. 

Meathead that has got to be the dumbest statement you have ever made. Do you think the U.S. is the only country to ever have slaves? I think not the pyramids were built with slave labor. But that has long since past. So let's get real and get to today's problems. I do understand you like to sit back and stir the crap to see what kind of response you can get but this is freakin ridiculous.




Also evolve to what? From a free society to a socialist society, or better yet a one world society?

[The emperor has no clothes]

If we "had a backbone and stuck to our heritage" women wouldn't be voting and blacks would be in slavery. We as a free society evolve. It's what smart people do.  

Meathead that has got to be the dumbest statement you have ever made. Do you think the U.S. is the only country to ever have slaves? I think not the pyramids were built with slave labor. But that has long since past. So let's get real and get to today's problems. I do understand you like to sit back and stir the crap to see what kind of response you can get but this is freakin ridiculous.




Also evolve to what? From a free society to a socialist society, or better yet a one world society?

I'm sure I've said many stupider things.   I was just trying to point out to Robert that we are different than we were. We learn and evolve as a society. We don't stick to our heritage for the sake of sticking to our heritage. I understand we weren't the sole slave owning country. I wasn't implying we were. I was implying we learn and change.
Evolve from a country that deemed women second class citizens, evolve from a country of all men not equal to a country of all men are equal. Has nothing to do with capitalism, socialism, one world order.

[baldo]

THIS is exactly what I'm talking about....the only people that believe this, are the ones with the tinfoil hats and still think Obama is a Muslim. I could go on, but I have better things to do.

Bob,
Please enlighten me, rather than say what he isn't, what is Obama?   He's informed the world that the United States is not a Christian Nation.   Not trying to set you up, I'm honestly curious.   He's got Muslim ties, please don't deny that.   Pretty sure he doesn't attend any church on a regular basis but, I've heard any reports of him on his knees facing east either.   Some times I think he's Agnostic but, I doubt that also.  He's sure as hell not a Constitutionalist. 

Robert and Ron,

I am so sick of arguing with people who are absolutely convinced that Obama is the anti-Christ in all ways. This is probably poorly written, I'm in the middle of something right now.

If what you say is true, as far as him being Muslim. Let me say this right up front. WGAF if he is? Is it illegal? Has it been a big problem for the last 7.5 years? NO...the only problem is the hateful crowd that is CONSTANTLY YAPPING AT THE HEELS of everyone that doesn't agree with them.

Me, if I don't agree with someone, I work at reminding myself that they feel as strongly about their beliefs as I do mine. However, if their belief is not supported by anything other than the fringe 'news' services and they're not giving it up. I'm done. I wish I had half the time I've allowed myself to get sucked into these crazy arguments that are as valid as the existence of Bigfoot and the Yeti....

[Serk]

[The emperor has no clothes]

What ! There is no Bigfoot ? Now I suppose you are going to say Santa Claus is not real ? I might have to go find a beer and drown my sorrows.  

[Serk]

What ! There is no Bigfoot ?

[Serk]

Now I suppose you are going to say Santa Claus is not real ?

(Yeah, I noticed the misspelling, too lazy to custom generate a proper version and just using the broken one I found.)

[Rams]

THIS is exactly what I'm talking about....the only people that believe this, are the ones with the tinfoil hats and still think Obama is a Muslim. I could go on, but I have better things to do.

Bob,
Please enlighten me, rather than say what he isn't, what is Obama?   He's informed the world that the United States is not a Christian Nation.   Not trying to set you up, I'm honestly curious.   He's got Muslim ties, please don't deny that.   Pretty sure he doesn't attend any church on a regular basis but, I've heard any reports of him on his knees facing east either.   Some times I think he's Agnostic but, I doubt that also.  He's sure as hell not a Constitutionalist.  

If what you say is true, as far as him being Muslim. Let me say this right up front. WGAF if he is? Is it illegal? Has it been a big problem for the last 7.5 years? NO...the only problem is the hateful crowd that is CONSTANTLY YAPPING AT THE HEELS of everyone that doesn't agree with them.

Bob,
First let me say I mis-spoke and left out a word in my previous post, I met to say that I have NOT heard of Obama being on his knees and praying to the east.   I apologize for that.   I will correct that in the previous post.   I honestly don't know what he is.   And no, it's not illegal.   But, if his beliefs are the reason for our domestic and foreign policy and actions for the last 7.5 years, it could be part of the problem.  If you think we're in a better place now than we were when he was first elected then, we'll never be on the same page.   We have been lied to, cheated and conned.   We elect our leaders based on what they say and have done with the promise of what they say they will do.   I'd rather have someone I disagree with in charge than to have someone I can't trust be in such a position.   We also expect our leaders to follow the rules, not make them up as they go along.   I hold our Constitution to be not just a set of rules but, as a defining principle.   Obama and Hillary don't see it that way.

Integrity and honesty are traits we have a right to expect from each other and our leadership.    Having or electing someone to the highest office in the land that is a proven liar, cheat, con-person and snake in the grass is beyond me.   Therein lies my problem with Hillary and what confuses me about anyone that could support her.

I personally don't agree with Bernie Sanders on much of anything but, I respect him much more than I do Hillary Clinton.  He, at least presents himself (for the most part) as what he is.   A Socialist.    His candidacy and speeches have pretty much presented him as he has presented himself his entire political career.    Hillary's has not.    Hillary will and has done anything she could to garner votes to become our next president.   There's no tin foil hat required to see that.

As I've stated many times, I'm not a Donald Trump groupie but, he at least speaks his mind and I find that refreshing.  

[hukmut]

WHAT A COLOSSAL FING WASTE OF TIME¡!!!!!!!!!