Mr Trump acting badly

[Gavin_Sons]

OK... I throw some gas on the fire

I will be voting for Mrs Clinton... definitely not Mr Trump....

Both are liars..... Mr Trump even more so,  but his lies are so off the cuff, and poorly done, most of the time and very easily refuted.. sample... The NFL call.. The Chicago call, etc.. he just makes things up....

But ALL politicians are liars.... thats how they get elected.... Mr Obama is actually one of the few presidents who has accomplished some of the planks/promises of his platform- Getting troops out on the timeline set up by Bush, Universal Healthcare fro example...  most of the Presidents prior accomplished none of their campaign promises....

Im voting for Mrs Clinton, because she is A GREAT Liar!  Millions of dollars have been spent to pin her down on Bengazi, Emails, Foundatiions, Hell supposedly stealing furniture from the Whitehouse... But what do you know...nothing to send her to a Grand Jury.. nothing proven to indite... usually you have to show someone is lying by catching them in an untruth.. so far not really....

And the funny thing is, She's still the smartest candidate that i have to choose from.. smart enough to make millions from the choices she has made, one of the first ones was to marry Mr Clinton

Yea, Mr Trump is a supposed Billionaire (but he won't give any concrete info, including tax returns), but he started with His fathers  money, business and connections, made more by screwing a lot of people... yea Business is Business, but there are many people in the financial world that won't work with him, much of the debt he carries is with foreign banks. He does not donate to charity.. that is a fact, and he is mainly concerned for himself...

Lastly because for the policies and issues he is "Trumpeting" he has no plan for, no support for, and no way to pay for them. Most experts agree his tax plan will increase the deficit and lower overall taxes for the rich and be neutral for the middle class.... He says a lot of nothing..... read some of the transcripts of his speeches... They don't read like an adult.....

Also because what works for Mr Trump in the isolated business world of New York and real estate will not work in the Diplomatic and political systems that is in the world today.... He lives in a pampered insulated bubble... He speaks like a barely educated 6th grader... the man is not as smart as he thinks he is. It has been shown that if he would have just taken the money he got from his father and invested it in minimum risk stocks he would be worth about the same....

The last time the budget was Balance was when Slick Wille was in office ( yes the repubs pushed him,but it got done), yes he got a B'jer in the oval office, but still kept his job.... Thats a man who can get things done

So on the basis of who's the smartest and has plans and policies that will at least keep the government status quo and more than likely lower or eliminate the budget deficit ( and yes under Obama the deficit has been lowered to the best it has been in 20 years, even with a war we shouldn't be in, without which there would possibly be smaller or no deficit), not change taxes for the middle class or possibly better them I will be voting for Hillary...

Lastly, If you were a smart, intelligent business man, would you hire someone to be the president of your company that has NO experience in your business????? Business and Politics are completely different animals and in most cases a business man goes into government its not good.... Would you hire a guy to run a McDonalds if he hasn't even learned to use the fryer?

Mr Trump wouldn't.....

There I laid out a cognitive reason WITHOUT trash talk or insults... I could go on and site chapter and verse, but it comes down to Mrs Clinton is the best choice of the 2.... because she may be the better liar...LOL

SO now prove Mr Trump is the one I should vote for...

B

You are voting for her because she is a better liar?  not sure I want the best liar running the country. Noooooo, were not tanking your guns, we're just storing them so you stay safe. While the criminals are out killing and raping innocent people. No thanks, I'll take Richard Simmons over Hillary. I guess those soldiers that she got killed don't matter much anymore either.

[The emperor has no clothes]

OK... I throw some gas on the fire

I will be voting for Mrs Clinton... definitely not Mr Trump....

Both are liars..... Mr Trump even more so,  but his lies are so off the cuff, and poorly done, most of the time and very easily refuted.. sample... The NFL call.. The Chicago call, etc.. he just makes things up....

But ALL politicians are liars.... thats how they get elected.... Mr Obama is actually one of the few presidents who has accomplished some of the planks/promises of his platform- Getting troops out on the timeline set up by Bush, Universal Healthcare fro example...  most of the Presidents prior accomplished none of their campaign promises....

Im voting for Mrs Clinton, because she is A GREAT Liar!  Millions of dollars have been spent to pin her down on Bengazi, Emails, Foundatiions, Hell supposedly stealing furniture from the Whitehouse... But what do you know...nothing to send her to a Grand Jury.. nothing proven to indite... usually you have to show someone is lying by catching them in an untruth.. so far not really....

And the funny thing is, She's still the smartest candidate that i have to choose from.. smart enough to make millions from the choices she has made, one of the first ones was to marry Mr Clinton

Yea, Mr Trump is a supposed Billionaire (but he won't give any concrete info, including tax returns), but he started with His fathers  money, business and connections, made more by screwing a lot of people... yea Business is Business, but there are many people in the financial world that won't work with him, much of the debt he carries is with foreign banks. He does not donate to charity.. that is a fact, and he is mainly concerned for himself...

Lastly because for the policies and issues he is "Trumpeting" he has no plan for, no support for, and no way to pay for them. Most experts agree his tax plan will increase the deficit and lower overall taxes for the rich and be neutral for the middle class.... He says a lot of nothing..... read some of the transcripts of his speeches... They don't read like an adult.....

Also because what works for Mr Trump in the isolated business world of New York and real estate will not work in the Diplomatic and political systems that is in the world today.... He lives in a pampered insulated bubble... He speaks like a barely educated 6th grader... the man is not as smart as he thinks he is. It has been shown that if he would have just taken the money he got from his father and invested it in minimum risk stocks he would be worth about the same....

The last time the budget was Balance was when Slick Wille was in office ( yes the repubs pushed him,but it got done), yes he got a B'jer in the oval office, but still kept his job.... Thats a man who can get things done

So on the basis of who's the smartest and has plans and policies that will at least keep the government status quo and more than likely lower or eliminate the budget deficit ( and yes under Obama the deficit has been lowered to the best it has been in 20 years, even with a war we shouldn't be in, without which there would possibly be smaller or no deficit), not change taxes for the middle class or possibly better them I will be voting for Hillary...

Lastly, If you were a smart, intelligent business man, would you hire someone to be the president of your company that has NO experience in your business????? Business and Politics are completely different animals and in most cases a business man goes into government its not good.... Would you hire a guy to run a McDonalds if he hasn't even learned to use the fryer?

Mr Trump wouldn't.....

There I laid out a cognitive reason WITHOUT trash talk or insults... I could go on and site chapter and verse, but it comes down to Mrs Clinton is the best choice of the 2.... because she may be the better liar...LOL

SO now prove Mr Trump is the one I should vote for...

B

Brad you've done it now !

[baldo]

OK... I throw some gas on the fire

I will be voting for Mrs Clinton... definitely not Mr Trump....

Both are liars..... Mr Trump even more so,  but his lies are so off the cuff, and poorly done, most of the time and very easily refuted.. sample... The NFL call.. The Chicago call, etc.. he just makes things up....

But ALL politicians are liars.... thats how they get elected.... Mr Obama is actually one of the few presidents who has accomplished some of the planks/promises of his platform- Getting troops out on the timeline set up by Bush, Universal Healthcare fro example...  most of the Presidents prior accomplished none of their campaign promises....

Im voting for Mrs Clinton, because she is A GREAT Liar!  Millions of dollars have been spent to pin her down on Bengazi, Emails, Foundatiions, Hell supposedly stealing furniture from the Whitehouse... But what do you know...nothing to send her to a Grand Jury.. nothing proven to indite... usually you have to show someone is lying by catching them in an untruth.. so far not really....

And the funny thing is, She's still the smartest candidate that i have to choose from.. smart enough to make millions from the choices she has made, one of the first ones was to marry Mr Clinton

Yea, Mr Trump is a supposed Billionaire (but he won't give any concrete info, including tax returns), but he started with His fathers  money, business and connections, made more by screwing a lot of people... yea Business is Business, but there are many people in the financial world that won't work with him, much of the debt he carries is with foreign banks. He does not donate to charity.. that is a fact, and he is mainly concerned for himself...

Lastly because for the policies and issues he is "Trumpeting" he has no plan for, no support for, and no way to pay for them. Most experts agree his tax plan will increase the deficit and lower overall taxes for the rich and be neutral for the middle class.... He says a lot of nothing..... read some of the transcripts of his speeches... They don't read like an adult.....

Also because what works for Mr Trump in the isolated business world of New York and real estate will not work in the Diplomatic and political systems that is in the world today.... He lives in a pampered insulated bubble... He speaks like a barely educated 6th grader... the man is not as smart as he thinks he is. It has been shown that if he would have just taken the money he got from his father and invested it in minimum risk stocks he would be worth about the same....

The last time the budget was Balance was when Slick Wille was in office ( yes the repubs pushed him,but it got done), yes he got a B'jer in the oval office, but still kept his job.... Thats a man who can get things done

So on the basis of who's the smartest and has plans and policies that will at least keep the government status quo and more than likely lower or eliminate the budget deficit ( and yes under Obama the deficit has been lowered to the best it has been in 20 years, even with a war we shouldn't be in, without which there would possibly be smaller or no deficit), not change taxes for the middle class or possibly better them I will be voting for Hillary...

Lastly, If you were a smart, intelligent business man, would you hire someone to be the president of your company that has NO experience in your business????? Business and Politics are completely different animals and in most cases a business man goes into government its not good.... Would you hire a guy to run a McDonalds if he hasn't even learned to use the fryer?

Mr Trump wouldn't.....

There I laid out a cognitive reason WITHOUT trash talk or insults... I could go on and site chapter and verse, but it comes down to Mrs Clinton is the best choice of the 2.... because she may be the better liar...LOL

SO now prove Mr Trump is the one I should vote for...

B

Brad you've done it now !

And I like his style.... ...Said WAY better than I could even hope for.

[BradValk48237]

No she won't take my guns  (gun owner and I have voted in every election, Local (when i could) State, and National since I got that right).. there is way to much money in the gun lobby... If you think she's doing everything for the mighty dollar , hurting the gun lobby and the NRA would not be smart...

SO if she's as crooked as you say she is, she is just rattling the cage to make the most money

So make up you mind.. either she is on the take or not? either way our guns are safe....

Next?

B

[BradValk48237]

Oh by the way I agree with you...

If Richard Simmons was running, I would vote for him over these 2.... but he is not one of the choices and I am picking the lesser of 2 evils..... But Mr Trump will never get my vote... his picture is in the dictionary under Demagogue.....

B

[..]

Not a Trump fan.

So she finally did it and threw the "racist" card on the table. Pathetic and getting desperate.

EDIT

Now he's done it to her.

Oh America what must the rest of the world be thinking of us. Sad.

[FLAVALK]

Not a Trump fan.

So she finally did it and threw the "racist" card on the table. Pathetic and getting desperate.

"Racist" is the term liberals use when they're in a corner and/or losing an argument.

[Skinhead]

Good luck with that Brad, you have every right to vote for whom ever you wish.  I can't say I agree with you.  I'll vote for Trump because the establishment is against him, and the establishment is getting us nowhere.  What I would really like to see is both parties gone, and limits placed on how much money any candidate can spend on their campaign.  Give them all 1 hr of free TV commercials, an limit spending to $500K.   

[The emperor has no clothes]

Not a Trump fan.

So she finally did it and threw the "racist" card on the table. Pathetic and getting desperate.

"Racist" is the term liberals use when they're in a corner and/or losing an argument.

9 points up doesn't appear to be "losing an argument" 

[baldo]

Not a Trump fan.

So she finally did it and threw the "racist" card on the table. Pathetic and getting desperate.

"Racist" is the term liberals use when they're in a corner and/or losing an argument.

9 points up doesn't appear to be "losing an argument" 

I've seen several polls putting the number around 12%....

[Wizzard]

you can search and find a poll to support whatever you want.

[Valkorado]

Brexit supporters were told they were down 10 points in the polls the morning of the vote.  They won.

[The emperor has no clothes]

you can search and find a poll to support whatever you want.

That's what everyone here was saying right before Romney lost by 4.

[Wizzard]

you can search and find a poll to support whatever you want.

That's what everyone here was saying right before Romney lost by 4.

Could be and I am not denying that,, but I bet you could have found a poll that showed otherwise at the time. Thus my point. I am not taking a stance on this,, just stating that you can find statistics on the web to support any statistic.
To state it bluntly,, I have no faith in polls.

[The emperor has no clothes]

you can search and find a poll to support whatever you want.

That's what everyone here was saying right before Romney lost by 4.

Could be and I am not denying that,, but I bet you could have found a poll that showed otherwise at the time. Thus my point. I am not taking a stance on this,, just stating that you can find statistics on the web to support any statistic.
To state it bluntly,, I have no faith in polls.

Well that is true. But there are a few that have a pretty good track record. But it's meaningless really. The only poll that matters is on the first Tuesday of November. 

[Wizzard]

you can search and find a poll to support whatever you want.

That's what everyone here was saying right before Romney lost by 4.

Could be and I am not denying that,, but I bet you could have found a poll that showed otherwise at the time. Thus my point. I am not taking a stance on this,, just stating that you can find statistics on the web to support any statistic.
To state it bluntly,, I have no faith in polls.

Well that is true. But there are a few that have a pretty good track record. But it's meaningless really. The only poll that matters is on the first Tuesday of November. 

Agreed 

[Pappy!]

No she won't take my guns  (gun owner and I have voted in every election, Local (when i could) State, and National since I got that right).. there is way to much money in the gun lobby... If you think she's doing everything for the mighty dollar , hurting the gun lobby and the NRA would not be smart...

SO if she's as crooked as you say she is, she is just rattling the cage to make the most money

So make up you mind.. either she is on the take or not? either way our guns are safe....

Next?

B

The "Next" part of that will be her nomination of liberal supreme court judges. Although guns may not be literally taken away during her tenure there will be drastic changes in existing gun freedoms. If you are a gun owner then you should think about it. Are you really ready to give up even a single freedom you are granted under the Constitution? She considers the Constitution a living document.

[Finz]

I don't post a whole lot in here, in fact, I rarely 'log in' but check in regularly to keep up with everything Valkyrie. But I had to respond to this thread.

Personally, it's waste of time arguing/discussing politics. Politics today has become a most vile and corrupt entity, and I include every side, right, left, it doesn't matter. Is there really going to be a point made by one side or the other that changes the other one's mind? Seriously, it's not even worth discussing because those who have made up their mind from one side or the other are not about to change, if ever. You could spend a thousand pages each and point out the most heinous crimes of Clinton or Trump (or substitute any representative in the political spectrum) and it would still be doubtful those heavily siding with their particular candidate would change their view or vote. Getting into pissing matches is even sillier. I for one would like to see the creators of this site to add one more sub-heading to the board "Political Discussion' and let those who can't help themselves have at it.

For me, I'll continue to visit the board because I find it informative, interesting and enjoy reading about the one common thread we can all agree on, the love of our Valks. I dodge the threads around politics because I learned long ago there are specific topics you can never agree on or change others' minds. Should we give it a shot with religion or abortion as well as politics? Make your statement along with others the best way you can, go out and vote when the time comes.

Just my two cents worth.

[Robert]

Its really pointless to argue with those that can overlook the corruption, lies, indictments, backstabbing of a candidate and still vote for them arguing on merits that are not there. So it goes with those who want Hillary. Now the arguments against Trump are hearsay and not things that have been looked into with any kind of investigation that cost the US tax payer millions and he did not affect and throw doubt on every branch of government by his actions. This alone should be good enough to realize that there is seriously something wrong. She would have been fired from any corporate job she got and its only because the sloppiness of the government dealing with our money and time she has a job at all. Some would say political payoffs and corruption are the reason she is not in jail now. When I was a kid if I was suspected of doing something wrong it was a source of great concern not only for myself but also for those around me. This is totally lacking in the Hillary crowd, since there have been few and meaningless apologies or admissions of wrong doing. Nixon did far less than Hillary and resigned, Bill Clinton was impeached and found that acceptable to continue with that kind of blemish on his record. Al Capone thought he was justified in what he did, just like most every criminal. Hitler supporters looked past the long term and persona of Hitler and elected him without looking into his background or being able to judge him as  a person. We are destined to repeat ourselves today with Hillary.

I cannot resist this one poke at the long applauded verbiage given by Bradvalk that is totally nonsense.

The ACA is not a great hit unless you want to pay for some one else s health care. The reality is its hated by almost everyone except those that receive a handout. Has cost me personally thousands of dollars and the US in general trillions. Does not insure the really poor, does not insure those who have enough to pay bills but do little else. Does not even offer free health care to 75% of people who need it. I watch as those around me don't have health care and struggle to make ends meet only to be told by DR's no insurance no visit or help. Its a farce and to say its good is beyond belief and shows ignorance of the failed policies that this administration has put forward. Lets also be clear of one fact since some have said its good what happened in addressing the architect of the health care bill saying it was fraud and contrived only to tax people. So the designer says this and you can overlook it? WTF? I guess the bailout was a great success also considering I personally know about 25 families that were thrown out of their homes when they couldn't afford the mortgage yet no one was prosecuted and executive bonuses were paid and those who received the loans got free money all the while the suffering in the people was immense under this admin. It makes me sick to my stomach to think that anyone would endorse the failed policies of a failed administration and then vote for someone who endorses socialism and is corrupt. I guess you people are in spots in life that you dont see the damage and carnage from this admin and words with no help. I pray you will need the help one day to see that its words without power, without help, without any backbone. Especially when your leader is going to be in the UN as a leader.

Plus by the way the debt or even the deficit you know in part why its gone down,it  is because those that cannot afford health care paid the penalty or tax and put extra money in the US treasury to count as a benefit for O.
One person I know was looking forward to his tax return to pay a few extra bills only to have it taken by the government as  a penalty. Total out of pocket one person paid about 2grand. I can tell you of a few others but one is sufficient since the major disconnect. Do anyone one of you ask people around you if they have health care?

As for the debt how many bills do you think the treasury has printed? How much is our standard of living being cut to accommodate the image of a man who cannot reign in spending?

I also dont understand since being a pubic servant and admittedly she has made millions who do you think really made that for her? Or what favor of office did she parlay to acquire that amount of money? What a load of cr** ,its not as if she had a regular job outside of public servant where she made this millions. Trump was given money but made it himself not in the selling of favors or changing laws but in the work and decisions he made in the corporate world.

I'm sorry for the rant but the original post is a load so why not. Also if you liberals need to endorse your candidate please come up with something other than a baited post. How about intelligent facts and morals and actual pluses that your candidate has contributed to government. The reason you don't is because you CAN'T

[baldo]

Its really pointless to argue with those that can overlook the corruption, lies, indictments, backstabbing of a candidate and still vote for them arguing on merits that are not there. So it goes with those who want Hillary. Now the arguments against Trump are hearsay and not things that have been looked into with any kind of investigation that cost the US tax payer millions and he did not affect and throw doubt on every branch of government by his actions. This alone should be good enough to realize that there is seriously something wrong. She would have been fired from any corporate job she got and its only because the sloppiness of the government dealing with our money and time she has a job at all. Some would say political payoffs and corruption are the reason she is not in jail now. When I was a kid if I was suspected of doing something wrong it was a source of great concern not only for myself but also for those around me. This is totally lacking in the Hillary crowd, since there have been few and meaningless apologies or admissions of wrong doing. Nixon did far less than Hillary and resigned, Bill Clinton was impeached and found that acceptable to continue with that kind of blemish on his record. Al Capone thought he was justified in what he did, just like most every criminal. Hitler supporters looked past the long term and persona of Hitler and elected him without looking into his background or being able to judge him as  a person. We are destined to repeat ourselves today with Hillary.

I cannot resist this one poke at the long applauded verbiage given by Bradvalk that is totally nonsense.

The ACA is not a great hit unless you want to pay for some one else s health care. The reality is its hated by almost everyone except those that receive a handout. Has cost me personally thousands of dollars and the US in general trillions. Does not insure the really poor, does not insure those who have enough to pay bills but do little else. Does not even offer free health care to 75% of people who need it. I watch as those around me don't have health care and struggle to make ends meet only to be told by DR's no insurance no visit or help. Its a farce and to say its good is beyond belief and shows ignorance of the failed policies that this administration has put forward. Lets also be clear of one fact since some have said its good what happened in addressing the architect of the health care bill saying it was fraud and contrived only to tax people. So the designer says this and you can overlook it? WTF? I guess the bailout was a great success also considering I personally know about 25 families that were thrown out of their homes when they couldn't afford the mortgage yet no one was prosecuted and executive bonuses were paid and those who received the loans got free money all the while the suffering in the people was immense under this admin. It makes me sick to my stomach to think that anyone would endorse the failed policies of a failed administration and then vote for someone who endorses socialism and is corrupt. I guess you people are in spots in life that you dont see the damage and carnage from this admin and words with no help. I pray you will need the help one day to see that its words without power, without help, without any backbone. Especially when your leader is going to be in the UN as a leader.

Plus by the way the debt or even the deficit you know in part why its gone down,it  is because those that cannot afford health care paid the penalty or tax and put extra money in the US treasury to count as a benefit for O.
One person I know was looking forward to his tax return to pay a few extra bills only to have it taken by the government as  a penalty. Total out of pocket one person paid about 2grand. I can tell you of a few others but one is sufficient since the major disconnect.

I also dont understand since being a pubic servant and admittedly she has made millions who do you think really made that for her? Or what favor of office did she parlay to acquire that amount of money? What a load of cr**

Robert,

You and I have gone back and forth quite a few times, and one thing that I notice is that it's basically your way or the highway. If someone has a different stance than yours on an issue they're one or more of these. Immoral, ignorant, clueless, uninformed, delusional, or worse. I could go on, but I'd need to get my thesaurus. Saying that, I know I can be that way too, but I try to be a bit more reserved. Yes, I know what you're thinking.

To address your misgivings on the ACA and the bank bailout. No one has ever said that the ACA was perfect, but you have to start somewhere. If those in the Senate hadn't been so obstructive, maybe something more could have been done. But you probably don't see any problems there, either.

And lastly, you do realize that the bank bailout was originated with Bush, don't you? And yes, Obama definitely should have gone after the banksters with guns blazing and locked them all up. (It's a metaphor, let's not get all twisted up). Bush gave all those countless billions to the banks with absolutely no strings attached. So, being the soulless greedy bastards that they are, they put it in their pockets and screwed hundreds of thousands of people out of their homes. That was under Bush, not Obama, my friend. And yes, the TARP/HARP and whatever acronyms you have, could have been handled better under Obama. Personally, I found myself participating in these programs on 2010 ish. We came close to losing our home but were able to take advantage of TARP and kept our house. We were very lucky.

So, in closing. Maybe you should go back and re-read your replies to see what I'm talking about. I'm no angel, but I'm not the only one.

[..]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troubled_Asset_Relief_Program

[..]

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/national/200904_CREDITCRISIS/recipients.html

[Willow]

Good luck with that Brad, you have every right to vote for whom ever you wish.  I can't say I agree with you.  I'll vote for Trump because the establishment is against him, and the establishment is getting us nowhere.  What I would really like to see is both parties gone, and limits placed on how much money any candidate can spend on their campaign.  Give them all 1 hr of free TV commercials, an limit spending to $500K.   

The Skinhead and I are like twins but he is prettier.

I'll be voting for Trump based upon two points.  The first is my intense dislike for what Hillary Clinton stands for.  The second is the comparison of the two vice presidential candidates.   

[Robert]

Baldo I agree on everything we do have to start somewhere, but if it starts badly for the wrong motives and wrong goals then are you saying that good can come from it?

 Ask yourself this does the one deciding things for your life have your best intentions at heart? Do you feel comfortable giving your power to make a decision about your life to them to decide? Or would you like a say in that decision? OR do they have another agenda to fulfill and your life may be sacrificed on the cross of noble causes without your say so.

I have made my mistakes and paid for them probably just like you, but I have seen few in goverment have to pay the same price we pay for their mistakes. They are supposed to serve us not we serve them.

If someone close to me has an idea and presents a plan and I go along with it then I made the decision either good or bad. But when I'm presented a plan and find out the idea was something totally different than what I agreed on then they bear the responsibility.

I weight my agreements knowing I will be bound by them, I weigh the the integrity of the other person I want to go into an agreement with. Because if they have not been integral in their agreements in the past then I don't have much hope for them in my agreement.

I like narrow, if it doesn't fit then I can ask why, once that reason is judged then I can go on and either discard it or change my thoughts but it makes for faster safer decisions that usually last by my experience.

Pretty simple actually don't listen to what they say look at what they have done. I don't like people stealing from me,  saying things that I didn't say, liars, dishonest people, or people that don't do what they say or take credit for things that they didn't do. I don't like to see people suffer when they can be helped. I don't like to see my hard earned money given to someone whose job it is to loaf. I like someone to be responsible with what I give them and held to the same rules as me. Honor, dignity are always in style unless you work for the goverment these days.

Let me give you one thing that I have found as a good foundation, Narrow is the road that leads to heaven but wide is the road that leads to destruction. I unfortunately proved a lesser version of this in my life and do not care to repeat it.

Thankyou for the ability to discuss

[The emperor has no clothes]

Good luck with that Brad, you have every right to vote for whom ever you wish.  I can't say I agree with you.  I'll vote for Trump because the establishment is against him, and the establishment is getting us nowhere.  What I would really like to see is both parties gone, and limits placed on how much money any candidate can spend on their campaign.  Give them all 1 hr of free TV commercials, an limit spending to $500K.   

The Skinhead and I are like twins but he is prettier.

I'll be voting for Trump based upon two points.  The first is my intense dislike for what Hillary Clinton stands for.  The second is the comparison of the two vice presidential candidates.   

Sounds like you guys are feeling the Bern. 

[Pete]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/01/donald-trump-and-david-duke-for-the-record/

For some reason that is not strong enough or often enough for some to believe.
Maybe it is because it is not what they want to hear.

Thanks for posting.

Rose colored glasses!

Do you guys not see the hypocrisy and irony in that he made all those statements about David Duke over the years, and then he says he doesn't know anything about him ?

Gentlemen, I can tell you are not going to let facts interfere with your thought process so have fun with that.

[Rams]

Sounds like you guys are feeling the Bern. 

Why does Bernie hate Hillary also?   If so, we do have one thing in common.............   

[BradValk48237]

I did vote for Bern' (primaries)..... and Ross Perot......

I like voting for intelligent people with a fairly decent plan.....

Mr Trump on the other hand does not come off as a very smart man in general....Not saying he has not been successful, but I think the people around him are doing a lot of the work... many have commented that he is all over the place and seldom sticks with one thing long.... Bit ADD.... And he is very flip-floppy.. he has contradicted his positions over the years..... He panders to the people and uses base rhetoric to inflame frustration and hatred.... HE comes across as a blowhard and nearly a sociopath... at least to me....

And who does he think he's fooling' with that hair? and the tanner??? LOL

B

[Willow]

The Skinhead and I are like twins but he is prettier.

I'll be voting for Trump based upon two points.  The first is my intense dislike for what Hillary Clinton stands for.  The second is the comparison of the two vice presidential candidates.   

Sounds like you guys are feeling the Bern. 

Hardly.  I'm not a communist by any stretch.  I am a very committed capitalist.

Perhaps the one thing we may have in common is belief that the power of the major political parties have destroyed the sense of service of elected politicians and are doing significant damage to the culture of the U.S. government.

Maybe you were referring to something else.  Is Bernie also impressed with Trump's vice presidential running mate?    

[Rams]

I did vote for Bern' (primaries)..... and Ross Perot......

I like voting for intelligent people with a fairly decent plan.....

Mr Trump on the other hand does not come off as a very smart man in general....Not saying he has not been successful, but I think the people around him are doing a lot of the work... many have commented that he is all over the place and seldom sticks with one thing long.... Bit ADD.... And he is very flip-floppy.. he has contradicted his positions over the years..... He panders to the people and uses base rhetoric to inflame frustration and hatred.... HE comes across as a blowhard and nearly a sociopath... at least to me....

And who does he think he's fooling' with that hair? and the tanner??? LOL

B

I'll leave the hair and tan to those that care, I don't.

Don't let this post lead you to believe I'm a Trump fan, I'm not but I will admit to despising Hillary and just about everything she stands for.    

In reference to Trump and just about anyone else who is successful, they don't and can't know it all but a key to successful leadership is to surround yourself with smart, experienced people.   Trump has this down pat.    He hires the best and then listens to them.   Has he made mistakes?   Oh yeah he has but, he hasn't blatantly broken the law, lied about it, sold his influence to the highest bidder and let his representative get killed either.   Credit given where credit is due.

[Novavalker]

I would like to see this guy be your next Secretary of State.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SCUy_3bdXo

[Gavin_Sons]

I did vote for Bern' (primaries)..... and Ross Perot......

I like voting for intelligent people with a fairly decent plan.....

Mr Trump on the other hand does not come off as a very smart man in general....Not saying he has not been successful, but I think the people around him are doing a lot of the work... many have commented that he is all over the place and seldom sticks with one thing long.... Bit ADD.... And he is very flip-floppy.. he has contradicted his positions over the years..... He panders to the people and uses base rhetoric to inflame frustration and hatred.... HE comes across as a blowhard and nearly a sociopath... at least to me....

And who does he think he's fooling' with that hair? and the tanner??? LOL

B

he does not have to be smart, just surround himself with people that are. Just like in his businesses. You think Hillary will pick smart people to help her lead? She is so dumb she didn't know she was not suppose to use a private server for her government emails.

[The emperor has no clothes]

The Skinhead and I are like twins but he is prettier.

I'll be voting for Trump based upon two points.  The first is my intense dislike for what Hillary Clinton stands for.  The second is the comparison of the two vice presidential candidates.   

Sounds like you guys are feeling the Bern. 

Hardly.  I'm not a communist by any stretch.  I am a very committed capitalist.

Perhaps the one thing we may have in common is belief that the power of the major political parties have destroyed the sense of service of elected politicians and are doing significant damage to the culture of the U.S. government.

Maybe you were referring to something else.  Is Bernie also impressed with Trump's vice presidential running mate?    

I know you are not. It was a joke in reference to Skin's distaste of unlimited money in the political system. 

[Skinhead]

The Skinhead and I are like twins but he is prettier.

Don't sell yourself short Carl,  We can both be pretty, after all, beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.

[Rams]

She considers the Constitution a living document.

She is correct, the Constitution is a living document.   Her problem is, she thinks she can change it just because she wants to and not follow the guidelines for changing it.    IIRC, it takes a 2/3rds ratification by the states to make a change to the Constitution.   Please correct me if I'm in error.

Or, she can appoint enough Liberal Judges to SCOTUS and will eventually get what she wants.    Therein lies the crutch or the problem.

[baldo]

She considers the Constitution a living document.

She is correct, the Constitution is a living document.   Her problem is, she thinks she can change it just because she wants to and not follow the guidelines for changing it.    IIRC, it takes a 2/3rds ratification by the states to make a change to the Constitution.   Please correct me if I'm in error.

Am I missing something? What is she talking about changing?

[Gavin_Sons]

She considers the Constitution a living document.

She is correct, the Constitution is a living document.   Her problem is, she thinks she can change it just because she wants to and not follow the guidelines for changing it.    IIRC, it takes a 2/3rds ratification by the states to make a change to the Constitution.   Please correct me if I'm in error.

Am I missing something? What is she talking about changing?

The 2nd amendment.

[The emperor has no clothes]

She considers the Constitution a living document.

She is correct, the Constitution is a living document.   Her problem is, she thinks she can change it just because she wants to and not follow the guidelines for changing it.    IIRC, it takes a 2/3rds ratification by the states to make a change to the Constitution.   Please correct me if I'm in error.

Am I missing something? What is she talking about changing?

The 2nd amendment.

You didn't miss anything Baldo. 

[Gavin_Sons]

She considers the Constitution a living document.

She is correct, the Constitution is a living document.   Her problem is, she thinks she can change it just because she wants to and not follow the guidelines for changing it.    IIRC, it takes a 2/3rds ratification by the states to make a change to the Constitution.   Please correct me if I'm in error.

Am I missing something? What is she talking about changing?

The 2nd amendment.

You didn't miss anything Baldo. 

Nope, keep living blind.

[baldo]

She considers the Constitution a living document.

She is correct, the Constitution is a living document.   Her problem is, she thinks she can change it just because she wants to and not follow the guidelines for changing it.    IIRC, it takes a 2/3rds ratification by the states to make a change to the Constitution.   Please correct me if I'm in error.

Am I missing something? What is she talking about changing?

The 2nd amendment.

You didn't miss anything Baldo. 

It was a rhetorical question....

And with this crowd, I might want to rethink the wording.....