It's On, Trump vs Clinton

[Hooter]

Now let's see what shakes out.

[Big Rig]

Seems lester lost control a little bit :Db

[Mr Whiskey]

[Simmy74]

Hillary Clinton is quite possibly the easiest opponent ever to take on in a debate, with a long history of public behavior and questionable practices and associates.
I just wish Trump was intelligent enough to push through the baiting games and take her to task.  He obviously can't play the game as well as she can. Regardless of who is the better choice, he sounds like a dumb ass when he repeats himself and fails to hold an intelligent stream of commentary.

[Simmy74]

 All he had to say about the "race" issue was on Sept 20th, the same day Scott was killed by cops in Charlotte,  5 white men were also shot by cops under similar circumstances.   Raceway tension? No, sensationalism.  Pure and simple

[..]

I stopped watching at 10.05. Hillary clearly in the lead. Pains me to say it but come on it was inevitable.

[baldo]

I stopped watching at 10.05. Hillary clearly in the lead. Pains me to say it but come on it was inevitable.

 

[MP]

I stopped watching at 10.05. Hillary clearly in the lead. Pains me to say it but come on it was inevitable.

 

Polls in a week or so will tell who "won".  Anything else is either partisan, or just a guess.

The final poll in Nov. will really tell who won.

[Oss]

Admitting the email "mistake" should be grounds under the federal statute for disqualification to run for federal office

Surprised neither the moderator nor trump jumped over it

Jess am I wrong?

[Serk]

[Valkorado]

Had a big reply typed out and lost it.    That pissed me off.  Trump missed many, many opportunities tonight.  That pissed me off, too.

Hillary confirmed my suspicion that she is a really slick politician.  Who woulda thunk?!?!?!?

Don't lose sight of the fact that the issues that mean something remain.  Not the diversionary crap like where Obama was born and Trump's tax returns.  I honestly don't care where Obama was born, especially at this point.  It doesn't change the fact that he SUCKED!  IMHO.  Think about it before you vote.  Does where Obama was born have a greater potential effect on your life than the next SCOTUS picks?

The issues that really mean something to our lives must not be hidden behind liberal smokescreens!  Illegal immigration and border security.  ISIS and the war on terror.  The Constitution, our 2nd Amendment and Supreme Court justice nominations.  Abolishing Obamacare and rampant welfare.  International trade, jobs and the economy.  Inner city crime and law and order.  Rebuilding our military and supporting our veterans.  Etc., etc., etc..  The candidate's stances on these issues are like black and white.

Trump gets my vote.  Period.  Is my vote against Hillary or for Trump?  Maybe a bit of both.

[Jersey mike]

I didn't see HC as winning and I was disappointed DT didn't go for the jugular on a few topics. If anything I'd call it a push. One thing DT did do was stop her in her tracks a couple times and she didn't retort. To me that was a sign he was on target.

To me he did his job tonight proving she is just another politician looking to get in another office and will say whatever is necessary to get there. He on the other hand provides a clear choice as someone who is not afraid to buck the typical political system and has the financial skills/knowledge as well as the ability to put the right people in the right places to get the job done right.

If there is anyone who can squeeze every penny out of a budget it's DT. The only way he can fail as POTUS is if the political system (on all sides) fights him every step of the way.

[old2soon]

I didn't see HC as winning and I was disappointed DT didn't go for the jugular on a few topics. If anything I'd call it a push. One thing DT did do was stop her in her tracks a couple times and she didn't retort. To me that was a sign he was on target.

To me he did his job tonight proving she is just another politician looking to get in another office and will say whatever is necessary to get there. He on the other hand provides a clear choice as someone who is not afraid to buck the typical political system and has the financial skills/knowledge as well as the ability to put the right people in the right places to get the job done right.

If there is anyone who can squeeze every penny out of a budget it's DT. The only way he can fail as POTUS is if the political system (on all sides) fights him every step of the way.

               Soon as he-as POTUS-starts unbuttering every ones bread they'll fight him tooth and nail. Personally he-again as POTUS-will make me and  lot of others happy when he defunds those countries that want to take us The U S of A out. The sooner the defunding starts the better. RIDE SAFE.

[Romeo]

http://youtu.be/hkodTydUR0E

[Rams]

The debate was pretty much what I expected.   Clinton is the slicker more experienced debater.
Changes nothing IMHO, she's still the liar, cheat and con-person she has been her entire life.

My vote won't be so much for Trump as it is against Clinton.   Her lack of integrity is so overwhelming, I can't fathom supporting her.   I won't be surprised that she wins in November and even though I don't like some of my other sources, that shows me how important it is to support conservative value candidates in the House and Senate races.    

The real damage will be done when Clinton chooses replacement SCOTUS judges.   It seriously saddens me to see what we've become and where we're headed.   The division in this country will continue to grow, this will not end well.   We may get the government we deserve but, we've got no one to blame but ourselves.    

Edited: Watching the morning TV shows, (The Today Show and Good Morning America) the Liberal bias is overwhelming.   Chuck Todd specifically, tries to hide his support and appear neutral but, fails miserably.   GMA political reporters are almost as bad.   

[..]

My vote won't be so much for Trump as it is against Clinton.  

 

[solo1]

I watched only a small portion of it.

When you pit a known professional political liar against a loud mouth business man, it's like "Don't get in a pissing' contest with a skunk"  The game is politics.

From the reviews both sides, Trump was NOT a loud mouth, he evidently is learning. Supposedly, she dominated.   Still doesn't change my vote Against the hilary.

There still are two debates. I think that Trump is learning and he sure has the ammo if he uses it. Hilary will end up on the losing end.

[Pappy!]

Trump got under her skin a few times as well. What the Hell was that Clinton shoulder shimmy thing about anyway!!
He missed several opportunities though and am betting he will be much better prepared next debate.
Plenty of time and next time he needs to deliver some well aimed one-liners at her.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Trump got under her skin a few times as well. What the Hell was that Clinton shoulder shimmy thing about anyway!!
He missed several opportunities though and am betting he will be much better prepared next debate.
Plenty of time and next time he needs to deliver some well aimed one-liners at her.

Well if he did she hid it pretty well. I thought he came across as rude, mad, and wrong much of the night.

[cookiedough]

Trump got under her skin a few times as well. What the Hell was that Clinton shoulder shimmy thing about anyway!!
He missed several opportunities though and am betting he will be much better prepared next debate.
Plenty of time and next time he needs to deliver some well aimed one-liners at her.

Well if he did she hid it pretty well. I thought he came across as rude, mad, and wrong much of the night.

Agree on the rude and mad part but not necessarily wrong.  He tells it the way he thinks it is and that is something politicians do not do.   I agree on his foreign policies where the USA cannot just give handouts for NOTHING in return.  Has to be a give and take exchange.  I think Trump is so close to Hillary that if more non-voters come out to vote,  he just might win, but just barely.  

His political skills need a bit of polishing since he did seem rude and arrogant, but that is his business side coming out.  

If she admitted to national TV that her personal emails were a mistake,   she admits guilt and if she says she is taking responsibility for her actions,  where is the punishment?   A slap on the wrist?  

Also,  why after the debate did NOT Trump shake hands with the crowd and B.S. like the Clintons did?  Does he not have supporters in the crowd or is that his business side coming out again just standing on stage and giving a few waives to the crowd?

I just sure hope if and when Trump wins since I do not favor Hildabeast,  that he is not so arrogant and rude and HIS WAY or the HWY mentality gets us into even more national relations trouble.   I think he is a lot like some of us,  head strong and gung-ho and we feel so confident and strong about our viewpoints that we think it is 110% right thing to do and push to get it that way regardless of other views from others.   Unfortunately politics is a game of cat and mouse and that is why I dislike most politicians.    The one and ONLY dealing with my local district politician when I talked to him about changing a stupid WI youth ATV law was heard, but nothing done nor any response back, typical political B.S. even though the law, in my eyes,  needed to be changed/revised.

[Master Blaster]

It didn't help at all that the moderator was clearly in Hillary's pocket.  Think Hillary is convinced that she must have that silly grin on her face at all times, but Trump did manage to wipe it off a few times.

[Robert]

Was pretty much what I thought it would be about so that is why I only watched 5 minutes of it. I must say that Trump did not come off as well as Hillary. But also that does not mean I would consider Hillary either. Maybe she came off better since she has been grilled about her lies and problems in the past. She certainly has had more experience being grilled than Donald which is the very reason she wont get my vote no matter what. She also had no solid answers and deflected or partially answered many.

I have seen savvy and what we need someone who is not savvy like O with the media yet turns around and screws the US. I don't know for sure just like everyone else but Hillary's moral fiber and lies, constant reviews, and host of other problems discounts her from ever being anything in government by my books, as the FBI said gross incompetence. O said Hillary would continue in his path that I fear is more than this country could stand and says more of her direction than anything that has been said. 

[baldo]

I especially liked the part when the Trumpster admitted that he pays zero income tax, and claimed "because I'm smart"... Also that he "takes advantage of the laws and declared bankruptcy", how many times? How can you declare bankruptcy when you're a gazillionaire?

Good times.

[Valkorado]

I especially liked the part when the Trumpster admitted that he pays zero income tax, and claimed "because I'm smart"... Also that he "takes advantage of the laws and declared bankruptcy", how many times? How can you declare bankruptcy when you're a gazillionaire?

Good times.

Because bankruptcy is a legal avenue.  Unlike destroying devices and bleaching private email servers.

[Wizzard]

That question about the "birther" thing was a ridiculous waste of time. What difference does it make at this time?
Stupid

[Wizzard]

I especially liked the part when the Trumpster admitted that he pays zero income tax, and claimed "because I'm smart"... Also that he "takes advantage of the laws and declared bankruptcy", how many times? How can you declare bankruptcy when you're a gazillionaire?

Good times.

You would do it too if you could. Admit it.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Was pretty much what I thought it would be about so that is why I only watched 5 minutes of it. I must say that Trump did not come off as well as Hillary. But also that does not mean I would consider Hillary either. Maybe she came off better since she has been grilled about her lies and problems in the past. She certainly has had more experience being grilled than Donald which is the very reason she wont get my vote no matter what. She also had no solid answers and deflected or partially answered many.

I have seen savvy and what we need someone who is not savvy like O with the media yet turns around and screws the US. I don't know for sure just like everyone else but Hillary's moral fiber and lies, constant reviews, and host of other problems discounts her from ever being anything in government by my books, as the FBI said gross incompetence. O said Hillary would continue in his path that I fear is more than this country could stand and says more of her direction than anything that has been said. 

Well, if you only watched the first 5 minutes and thought he didn't come off well. You would have really been disappointed about the the last hour.   You say she had no solid answers but you watched only 5 minutes ?  

[The emperor has no clothes]

I especially liked the part when the Trumpster admitted that he pays zero income tax, and claimed "because I'm smart"... Also that he "takes advantage of the laws and declared bankruptcy", how many times? How can you declare bankruptcy when you're a gazillionaire?

Good times.

You would do it too if you could. Admit it.

If you are talking about paying no taxes maybe, I've never been rich. So I don't know how I would act. But I will say her hit on him saying that he paid nothing to our veterans, to our defense, to our roads hurt him. If you are referring to filing bankruptcy, I take great pride in never having filed. There were a couple times in my life it was recommended to me. But my pride made me work thru my difficulties. That may have been foolish, but I am still proud of that.

[Wizzard]

I especially liked the part when the Trumpster admitted that he pays zero income tax, and claimed "because I'm smart"... Also that he "takes advantage of the laws and declared bankruptcy", how many times? How can you declare bankruptcy when you're a gazillionaire?

Good times.

You would do it too if you could. Admit it.

I you are talking about paying no taxes maybe, I've never been rich. So I don't know how I would act. But I will say her hit on him saying that he paid nothing to our veterans, to our defense, to our roads hurt him. If you are referring to filing bankruptcy, I take great pride in never having filed. There were a couple times in my life it was recommended to me. But my pride made me work thru my difficulties. That may have been foolish, but I am still proud of that.

I am not in disagreement with you on the bankruptcy thing. I don't think he is proud of it,, I think it was a matter of business that he used the laws to his advantage. Most people would if they were in a corner.
I think whats missing here is that those who like Trump, like him for the very faults he has. They feel like he relates because he makes mistakes and often says stupid things. We all do.
I am not defending him but I think you underestimate or do not understand why people like him.
Or maybe I am wrong,, who knows

[Valkorado]

I especially liked the part when the Trumpster admitted that he pays zero income tax, and claimed "because I'm smart"... Also that he "takes advantage of the laws and declared bankruptcy", how many times? How can you declare bankruptcy when you're a gazillionaire?

Good times.

You would do it too if you could. Admit it.

I you are talking about paying no taxes maybe, I've never been rich. So I don't know how I would act. But I will say her hit on him saying that he paid nothing to our veterans, to our defense, to our roads hurt him. If you are referring to filing bankruptcy, I take great pride in never having filed. There were a couple times in my life it was recommended to me. But my pride made me work thru my difficulties. That may have been foolish, but I am still proud of that.

That settles it.  Meathead for President!

[The emperor has no clothes]

I especially liked the part when the Trumpster admitted that he pays zero income tax, and claimed "because I'm smart"... Also that he "takes advantage of the laws and declared bankruptcy", how many times? How can you declare bankruptcy when you're a gazillionaire?

Good times.

You would do it too if you could. Admit it.

I you are talking about paying no taxes maybe, I've never been rich. So I don't know how I would act. But I will say her hit on him saying that he paid nothing to our veterans, to our defense, to our roads hurt him. If you are referring to filing bankruptcy, I take great pride in never having filed. There were a couple times in my life it was recommended to me. But my pride made me work thru my difficulties. That may have been foolish, but I am still proud of that.

I am not in disagreement with you on the bankruptcy thing. I don't think he is proud of it,, I think it was a matter of business that he used the laws to his advantage. Most people would if they were in a corner.
I think whats missing here is that those who like Trump, like him for the very faults he has. They feel like he relates because he makes mistakes and often says stupid things. We all do.
I am not defending him but I think you underestimate or do not understand why people like him.
Or maybe I am wrong,, who knows

No, I think you are correct. I've misjudged this guy from the beginning.

[96valk]

What he should have said about the birther issue is,  to quote Hillary  on the Bengazi issue   "What difference does it make"

[The emperor has no clothes]

I especially liked the part when the Trumpster admitted that he pays zero income tax, and claimed "because I'm smart"... Also that he "takes advantage of the laws and declared bankruptcy", how many times? How can you declare bankruptcy when you're a gazillionaire?

Good times.

You would do it too if you could. Admit it.

I you are talking about paying no taxes maybe, I've never been rich. So I don't know how I would act. But I will say her hit on him saying that he paid nothing to our veterans, to our defense, to our roads hurt him. If you are referring to filing bankruptcy, I take great pride in never having filed. There were a couple times in my life it was recommended to me. But my pride made me work thru my difficulties. That may have been foolish, but I am still proud of that.

That settles it.  Meathead for President!

be careful what you wish for.

[hubcapsc]

I especially liked the part when the Trumpster admitted that he pays zero income tax, and claimed "because I'm smart"... Also that he "takes advantage of the laws and declared bankruptcy", how many times? How can you declare bankruptcy when you're a gazillionaire?

Good times.

You would do it too if you could. Admit it.

If you are talking about paying no taxes maybe, I've never been rich. So I don't know how I would act. But I will say her hit on him saying that he paid nothing to our veterans, to our defense, to our roads hurt him. If you are referring to filing bankruptcy, I take great pride in never having filed. There were a couple times in my life it was recommended to me. But my pride made me work thru my difficulties. That may have been foolish, but I am still proud of that.

Along these lines, I think it is legal to use the law to your
advantage, and that bad laws should be changed.

Strom Thurmond was for term limits.

-Mike

[The emperor has no clothes]

I especially liked the part when the Trumpster admitted that he pays zero income tax, and claimed "because I'm smart"... Also that he "takes advantage of the laws and declared bankruptcy", how many times? How can you declare bankruptcy when you're a gazillionaire?

Good times.

You would do it too if you could. Admit it.

If you are talking about paying no taxes maybe, I've never been rich. So I don't know how I would act. But I will say her hit on him saying that he paid nothing to our veterans, to our defense, to our roads hurt him. If you are referring to filing bankruptcy, I take great pride in never having filed. There were a couple times in my life it was recommended to me. But my pride made me work thru my difficulties. That may have been foolish, but I am still proud of that.

Along these lines, I think it is legal to use the law to your
advantage, and that bad laws should be changed.

Strom Thurmond was for term limits.

-Mike

I'm with you. 

[baldo]

I especially liked the part when the Trumpster admitted that he pays zero income tax, and claimed "because I'm smart"... Also that he "takes advantage of the laws and declared bankruptcy", how many times? How can you declare bankruptcy when you're a gazillionaire?

Good times.

You would do it too if you could. Admit it.

I'll admit nothing of the sort. I've been in extremely dire straits twice in my life, both times I was advised that bankruptcy was an option. And both times I declined, and worked my way out of those situations. It wasn't easy and it wasn't quick. We're doing quite well now, thank you very much.

Just because something is legal, doesn't mean it's right. Remember who made it legal in the first place. Especially in the world of money.

Trump is not someone I'd admire financially. Have you seen how he's bilking us, the taxpayer, with his travel arrangements?

http://www.travelerstoday.com/articles/22978/20160927/trump-makes-taxpayers-pay-for-luxury-flight.htm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-luxury-jet_us_57e6bc0ee4b08d73b8319f15

[Robert]

I especially liked the part when the Trumpster admitted that he pays zero income tax, and claimed "because I'm smart"... Also that he "takes advantage of the laws and declared bankruptcy", how many times? How can you declare bankruptcy when you're a gazillionaire?

Good times.

I would be careful about the income tax thing for a few reasons. If as owner of the company you personally don't spend too much and you have your company buy most of what you need you could very easily pay no taxes personally so the business pays all the taxes. I have known many without a public corporation that it went the same way.

 But Apple on the other hand has moved all their accounting overseas and pays no or minimal taxes in the US and makes most of their money here, but I don't hear anyone say anything about the most profitable corporation in the US paying no taxes, I don't hear anyone saying anything about this. In fact Apple is thumbing their noses at the US and the US (us our government our money) has actually came to their aid in the judgement of 16 billion dollars against them by the EU.

Bankruptcy on chapter 7 can only be declared every 7 years so how many times do you think he declared it?


 Next Hillary is a civil servant with the pay accordingly, how is it that she already has many properties but is currently buying another 1.7 million dollar property next door to her 1.6 million dollar property to have? Now I know Bill has money coming in but her income has grown exponentially while being employed by the American people.

[baldo]

Now I know Bill has money coming in but her income has grown exponentially while being employed by the American people.

How do you feel about this?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/may/24/chris-matthews/chris-matthews-says-cheney-got-34-million-payday-h/

[Robert]

Now I know Bill has money coming in but her income has grown exponentially while being employed by the American people.

How do you feel about this?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/may/24/chris-matthews/chris-matthews-says-cheney-got-34-million-payday-h/

I don't like it with him and less with Hillary and its actually old news. Cheny was part of the reason that Halliburton was able to push through engineered foods and seeds not to mention The company was given $39.5 billion in Iraq-related contracts over the past decade, with many of the deals given without any bidding from competing firms, such as a $568-million contract renewal in 2010 to provide housing, meals, water and bathroom services to soldiers, a deal that led to a Justice Department lawsuit over alleged kickbacks, as reported by Bloomberg. Or Congress having not to pay for health care or able to do insider trading just to name a few of the corrupt practices I see that I personally want stopped that I dont believe a long time politician can change. Another reason to vote Trump.

[Wizzard]

How do you ever debate with "ok I know its wrong but your candidate did this wrong"
Do 2 wrongs make a right?
Not in my book.