Little Confused

[dreamaker]

I haven't read all the threads, but I am a little confused about something. Now from my upbringing kneeling is a sign of respect when we pray. Now I don't sit in front of a TV, but I have it on as I am busy, and I sometimes I pick up bits and pieces of thing that gets my attention. Well I have seemed to have missed the train on this one.  Now there is some issue of people, athletes,  kneeling during National Anthem.  I guess I am missing the whole disrespectful meaning of it.  So what's the deal on that, what does it mean, what are they saying?

[baldo]

I haven't read all the threads, but I am a little confused about something. Now from my upbringing kneeling is a sign of respect when we pray. Now I don't sit in front of a TV, but I have it on as I am busy, and I sometimes I pick up bits and pieces of thing that gets my attention. Well I have seemed to have missed the train on this one.  Now there is some issue of people, athletes,  kneeling during National Anthem.  I guess I am missing the whole disrespectful meaning of it.  So what's the deal on that, what does it mean, what are they saying?

This was 'discussed' a little while ago. I'm sure the thread wouldn't be hard to find....

[Chrisj CMA]

I haven't read all the threads, but I am a little confused about something. Now from my upbringing kneeling is a sign of respect when we pray. Now I don't sit in front of a TV, but I have it on as I am busy, and I sometimes I pick up bits and pieces of thing that gets my attention. Well I have seemed to have missed the train on this one.  Now there is some issue of people, athletes,  kneeling during National Anthem.  I guess I am missing the whole disrespectful meaning of it.  So what's the deal on that, what does it mean, what are they saying?

OK, I'll answer your question with a question.  What is the usual/expected respect one is to respond with during the playing of the National Anthem?

[Hook#3287]

I know some won't agree, but I enjoyed watching the PATRIOTS kick the butt of the unmentioned 49er quarterback, especially the sacks.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I know some won't agree, but I enjoyed watching the PATRIOTS kick the butt of the unmentioned 49er quarterback, especially the sacks.

Bill, I'd be willing to wager a Portugese beer on the SuperBowl if it comes down to the Patriots and Cowboys.  (I will admit I took a little glee in seeing the 49ers go down also)

[dreamaker]

I guess, I am on my own on this!  The thing is, I am not in anyway a sports person at any level, to me watching football is like watching paint dry. So I don't get, nor do I understand the etiquette to the sport seen.
Sorry to bother you!!

[Gavin_Sons]

the "normal" respect you give while the national anthem is being sang is to turn and face the flag with your right hand over your heat, and hats off. Kneeling and not placing your hand on your heart is a sign of disrespect toward the flag and our country. Do a little googling on the Star Spangle Banner, some say it was written as a prayer others say no. I was always taught to take my hat off and face the flag with my hand on my heart. I really don't care what these over paid turds do. Their opinion doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

[Wizzard]

It's all about respect. No law says you have to.
No law said I had to respect my Dad either while I was growing up,, but if I did not want knots on my head I respected him.  

[Jess from VA]

Just a comparison, but what's the last time you saw a jr member of the armed forces kneel before a superior officer?  I'll give you a hint... the officer would not think it was a sign of respect.  

You stand at attention, and salute.

When a woman comes to the dinner table (or leaves), you stand, you do not kneel.   (You only kneel before her in private  )

It's also clear that the kneelers decided they needed to show just a little less disrespect than sitting on their asses.

I kneel to no one (in or out of church).

[old2soon]

Those of us that have served in the Military were taught to come to attention and salute when the Flag was lowered or raised. Dad taught us Flag Respect early on in life. To this day I have Great Respect for Our Flag and what it stands for. Attending as many P G R missions as I do only reinforces what I feel for Our Flag. The over paid walking talking muscle heads will NEVER make me feel bad about what I KNOW is Right. Folks tried that when I came home on leave from Nam the first time. they failed. I'm with my Brother-da prez-disrespect the Flag THIS way-wrap it around your head douse liberally with diesel and gasoline and then set it on fire. The ONLY heroes I've ever been aware of wear a U S Military Uniform. RIDE SAFE.

[Jess Tolbirt]

I am ex Military
I am an old man now
if I was there and one of those turds didnt stand an show the respect to the flag and all of us that fought for it, I would attempt to kick his ass, yea I know i am old and I know i would get the ass whoopin of my life but he would think he tried to jack off a bobcat with a hand full of sticker burrs before he puts me to sleep... just my opinon

[solo1]

I have the utmost disdain for these overpaid athletes who disrespect our country while accepting the financial reward from our country.  Maybe sports fans who refuse to pay those high prices to see these idiots 'take a knee" should think twice.

Standing, facing the Flag, hand over heart or saluting, is the only way to show respect for our Republic when the national anthem is played.

[dreamaker]

So what you are saying, and I am not defending those athletes in any way, When we kneel to pray it is disrespectful, and when you butt heads knelt to reposed to your lady on your, you were being disrespectful.  Right!!   Ever since I can remember in Catholic School and Elementary School, we faced the flag and with our hand on our hearts, and said the Pledge Allegiance to the Flag every day. I was being disrespectful the the flag and the country.  Interesting!!

[old2soon]

So what you are saying, and I am not defending those athletes in any way, When we kneel to pray it is disrespectful, and when you butt heads knelt to reposed to your lady on your, you were being disrespectful.  Right!!   Ever since I can remember in Catholic School and Elementary School, we faced the flag and with our hand on our hearts, and said the Pledge Allegiance to the Flag every day. I was being disrespectful the the flag and the country.  Interesting!!

Twist it any way you want to suite yerself. Couple of us have splained it rather well I M H O. The gubmint gave folks the "right" to disrespect the Flag-ya dasn't wanna do it near me. RIDE SAFE.

[Gavin_Sons]

So what you are saying, and I am not defending those athletes in any way, When we kneel to pray it is disrespectful, and when you butt heads knelt to reposed to your lady on your, you were being disrespectful.  Right!!   Ever since I can remember in Catholic School and Elementary School, we faced the flag and with our hand on our hearts, and said the Pledge Allegiance to the Flag every day. I was being disrespectful the the flag and the country.  Interesting!!

exactly what we did not say. Kneeling to pray is the respected way. Standing facing the flag with your hand over your heart or saluting is the respected way. Kneeling during the national anthem is disrespectful.

[dreamaker]

I am not trying to twist anything, I am just trying to understand, that if I go some place and do things I think I am honoring them, but in turn am pissing them off.

[dreamaker]

So what you are saying, and I am not defending those athletes in any way, When we kneel to pray it is disrespectful, and when you butt heads knelt to reposed to your lady on your, you were being disrespectful.  Right!!   Ever since I can remember in Catholic School and Elementary School, we faced the flag and with our hand on our hearts, and said the Pledge Allegiance to the Flag every day. I was being disrespectful the the flag and the country.  Interesting!!

exactly what we did not say. Kneeling to pray is the respected way. Standing facing the flag with your hand over your heart or saluting is the respected way. Kneeling during the national anthem is disrespectful.

Well that was pretty simple!! I learn something new today!! Could save me from getting my ass shot! So doing the right thing at the wrong time can get you ass kicked!!

[The emperor has no clothes]

So what you are saying, and I am not defending those athletes in any way, When we kneel to pray it is disrespectful, and when you butt heads knelt to reposed to your lady on your, you were being disrespectful.  Right!!   Ever since I can remember in Catholic School and Elementary School, we faced the flag and with our hand on our hearts, and said the Pledge Allegiance to the Flag every day. I was being disrespectful the the flag and the country.  Interesting!!

exactly what we did not say. Kneeling to pray is the respected way. Standing facing the flag with your hand over your heart or saluting is the respected way. Kneeling during the national anthem is disrespectful.

Well that was pretty simple!! I learn something new today!! Could save me from getting my ass shot! So doing the right thing at the wrong time can get you ass kicked!!

Did you really not know that ?

[Moonshot_1]

So what you are saying, and I am not defending those athletes in any way, When we kneel to pray it is disrespectful, and when you butt heads knelt to reposed to your lady on your, you were being disrespectful.  Right!!   Ever since I can remember in Catholic School and Elementary School, we faced the flag and with our hand on our hearts, and said the Pledge Allegiance to the Flag every day. I was being disrespectful the the flag and the country.  Interesting!!

exactly what we did not say. Kneeling to pray is the respected way. Standing facing the flag with your hand over your heart or saluting is the respected way. Kneeling during the national anthem is disrespectful.

Well that was pretty simple!! I learn something new today!! Could save me from getting my ass shot! So doing the right thing at the wrong time can get you ass kicked!!

Got nothing to support this, just my opinion.

The following is not directed at anyone specific but to provide a general perspective.

Kneeling. A sign of submissiveness or being a subject of. You kneel when you pray because you are a servant of God and submissive to him.

You are not a subject of this country. You are free to your opinions and customs. If you wish to be a doo doo head, go ahead and kneel for the anthem, kneel for the Flag. Display your ignorance of the great opportunities you have, opportunities that people have given their lives to ensure we have them.

Or Stand and Honor the principles the Country was founded on and the people who have defended them.

Easy Peasy.

[dreamaker]

So what you are saying, and I am not defending those athletes in any way, When we kneel to pray it is disrespectful, and when you butt heads knelt to reposed to your lady on your, you were being disrespectful.  Right!!   Ever since I can remember in Catholic School and Elementary School, we faced the flag and with our hand on our hearts, and said the Pledge Allegiance to the Flag every day. I was being disrespectful the the flag and the country.  Interesting!!

exactly what we did not say. Kneeling to pray is the respected way. Standing facing the flag with your hand over your heart or saluting is the respected way. Kneeling during the national anthem is disrespectful.

Well that was pretty simple!! I learn something new today!! Could save me from getting my ass shot! So doing the right thing at the wrong time can get you ass kicked!!

Did you really not know that ?

No I did not know that, that is why I asked the question, I didn't see the problem.

[The emperor has no clothes]

No problem. I just figured we were all taught that at a young age.

[Chrisj CMA]

the "normal" respect you give while the national anthem is being sang is to turn and face the flag with your right hand over your heat, and hats off. Kneeling and not placing your hand on your heart is a sign of disrespect toward the flag and our country. Do a little googling on the Star Spangle Banner, some say it was written as a prayer others say no. I was always taught to take my hat off and face the flag with my hand on my heart. I really don't care what these over paid turds do. Their opinion doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

Yes, the right answer to my question answer, the only exception would be active duty military are to salute and retired (I believe) can choose either with no disrespect.

[Jess from VA]

the "normal" respect you give while the national anthem is being sang is to turn and face the flag with your right hand over your heat, and hats off. Kneeling and not placing your hand on your heart is a sign of disrespect toward the flag and our country. Do a little googling on the Star Spangle Banner, some say it was written as a prayer others say no. I was always taught to take my hat off and face the flag with my hand on my heart. I really don't care what these over paid turds do. Their opinion doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

Yes, the right answer to my question answer, the only exception would be active duty military are to salute and retired (I believe) can choose either with no disrespect.

Retired or former may salute in civies (I will depending on the occasion), but unlike in uniform, you still pull your hat (if any).  I don't know if it's exactly correct (for former, but not retired), but I do it anyway.

[solo1]

In our Korean War Chapter, we stand and salute the Flag if we are wearing our KWVA cap, otherwise, hand over heart.  The same applies for the National Anthem.

[The emperor has no clothes]

In our Korean War Chapter, we stand and salute the Flag if we are wearing our KWVA cap, otherwise, hand over heart.  The same applies for the National Anthem.

I would feel wrong saluting without being in uniform.

[Willow]

Kneeling is not an act of only respect.  As previously explained kneeling is a sign of submission and would also include the face being down.  That's an old, old almost universal sign.

Kneeling during the national anthem is not intended to display submission.  It is done specifically to demonstrate that one is refusing to do what is accepted as respect for the anthem, that being to stand at attention.

Taking a knee during a proposal of wedding is expressing that for this time or moment of time one is submitting himself to the will of his intended and emphasizing what a tremendous benefit he is requesting.  The gracious response to the proposal is either to join the proposer in kneeling or to lift him up and embrace him.  Such an act indicates that she is joining him in both the expression and the emphasis.  

[f6gal]

The gracious response to the proposal is either to join the proposer in kneeling or to lift him up and embrace him.  Such an act indicates that she is joining him in both the expression and the emphasis.  

Wait, so pushing him back and laughing hysterically is not considered a gracious response?

[Jess from VA]

The gracious response to the proposal is either to join the proposer in kneeling or to lift him up and embrace him.  Such an act indicates that she is joining him in both the expression and the emphasis.  

Wait, so pushing him back and laughing hysterically is not considered a gracious response?

[Willow]

The gracious response to the proposal is either to join the proposer in kneeling or to lift him up and embrace him.  Such an act indicates that she is joining him in both the expression and the emphasis.  

Wait, so pushing him back and laughing hysterically is not considered a gracious response?

Well, it would, of course, depend up on the validity of the request.      

[Gryphon Rider]

I would stand with my hat off and hands at my side for the US (or other country's) national anthem, without my hand over my heart, as it's not my country's anthem.  For O Canada, I would still not have my hand over my heart, as that is not the Canadian tradition; I would, however, be singing to the best of my ability.

[Moonshot_1]

Kneeling during the national anthem is not intended to display submission.  It is done specifically to demonstrate that one is refusing to do what is accepted as respect for the anthem, that being to stand at attention.

I would suggest that it is intended to display submission in a historical sense. A symbolic reference to slavery and oppression of the past performed by multi-millionaires playing a game, but a symbolic reference nonetheless.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I would stand with my hat off and hands at my side for the US (or other country's) national anthem, without my hand over my heart, as it's not my country's anthem.  For O Canada, I would still not have my hand over my heart, as that is not the Canadian tradition; I would, however, be singing to the best of my ability.

Interesting. I didn't know that.

[f6gal]

I would suggest that it is intended to display submission in a historical sense. A symbolic reference to slavery and oppression of the past performed by multi-millionaires playing a game, but a symbolic reference nonetheless.

I wouldn't give the miscreant the benefit of putting that much thought into his actions.  I believe he was told that if he didn't want to stand for the anthem, he couldn't sit his butt on the bench, he would have to kneel. 

[BF]

I'll just leave this here.....



YOU STAND FOR THE FLAG...YOU KNEEL FOR THE FALLEN.

[da prez]

    Respecting the flag was taught early on. It was explained and shown every where. At what time in life did the government give the did-respectful the right to damage  our Flag and country. WE , the veterans I guess are responsible , as we gave them the rights to be morons. Come to America and demand your rights as it is a free country. Free to change it to their own beliefs. If there own beliefs are so good in their country  , then why the hell are they here. If we go to their country  , you are lucky to read English beyond the airports.
  I will find and print the immigration laws of Mexico when I find my copy. It is not just picking on them , it just happens to be the copy I have.

                                                                     da prez

[dreamaker]

On this Friday morning,  I was somewhat watching the news, then they did a segment  that was about Aretha Franklin, singing the National Anthem, they showed some of the Detroit Lions with their hands on their hearts. It sudden accrued to me, "It doesn't matter".   Whether you salute, put your hand on your heart, or your hands are in your pants.  What is important is the respect to the flag comes from the heart, and salutes and other hand or body gesture is nothing more than a Show, to impress the people around me. It has no true connection to the way I really feel to the flag and honor my country.

[Chrisj CMA]

On this Friday morning,  I was somewhat watching the news, then they did a segment  that was about Aretha Franklin, singing the National Anthem, they showed some of the Detroit Lions with their hands on their hearts. It sudden accrued to me, "It doesn't matter".   Whether you salute, put your hand on your heart, or your hands are in your pants.  What is important is the respect to the flag comes from the heart, and salutes and other hand or body gesture is nothing more than a Show, to impress the people around me. It has no true connection to the way I really feel to the flag and honor my country.

Ya, you keep telling yourself that.  Just don't sit there with your hands in your pants while the National Anthem is playing around a bunch of vets.  You may just get your thinking adjusted some.

[Gryphon Rider]

On this Friday morning,  I was somewhat watching the news, then they did a segment  that was about Aretha Franklin, singing the National Anthem, they showed some of the Detroit Lions with their hands on their hearts. It sudden accrued to me, "It doesn't matter".   Whether you salute, put your hand on your heart, or your hands are in your pants.  What is important is the respect to the flag comes from the heart, and salutes and other hand or body gesture is nothing more than a Show, to impress the people around me. It has no true connection to the way I really feel to the flag and honor my country.

Ya, you keep telling yourself that.  Just don't sit there with your hands in your pants while the National Anthem is playing around a bunch of vets.  You may just get your thinking adjusted some.

I want to see the video of the dude failing to defend himself while an old veteran swats him upside the head, because he can't get his hands out of his pants in time.

[dreamaker]

Of course, I would never do anything like that, I am just making a point of being sincere to the flag and my country in my heart, it is more important then trying to impress people with gestures. See I have never been brain washed and have always been extremely independent and right or wrong my choices and faults are my own. I enjoy listening to other view points, that is how I learn, I don't claim to have the answers, I am not afraid to ask the question, to get direction.  Allot of my friends are Vets, they understand where I am coming from, and know I would never disrespect them.

[Chrisj CMA]

Of course, I would never do anything like that, I am just making a point of being sincere to the flag and my country in my heart, it is more important then trying to impress people with gestures. See I have never been brain washed and have always been extremely independent and right or wrong my choices and faults are my own. I enjoy listening to other view points, that is how I learn, I don't claim to have the answers, I am not afraid to ask the question, to get direction.  Allot of my friends are Vets, they understand where I am coming from, and know I would never disrespect them.

OK, Ill take you at your word " not afraid to get direction"  I am serious, not being sarcastic and not kidding.  I suggest to you that you get over the notion that displaying the proper respect to the flag is a show to impress others and just do the right thing.  Stand up straight, face the flag (or the source of the music) and place your right hand over your heart for the duration of the National Anthem.  Not to show off, but because its the right thing.