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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2016, 10:08:11 AM » |
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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2016, 10:15:29 AM » |
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No victim, no crime.
This is one of the few things He has done that I agree with, and wish He'd do more of.
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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2016, 10:19:54 AM » |
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No victim, no crime.
This is one of the few things He has done that I agree with, and wish He'd do more of.
 What have you done with Serk ?  Just messing with you. You have been pretty consistent on this. And good on you for saying it.  |
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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2016, 10:31:55 AM » |
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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2016, 10:36:13 AM » |
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He's also trying to close Gitmo and send back all of his moooslum brothers back in the field before Trump takes over.
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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2016, 10:39:45 AM » |
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No victim, no crime.
This is one of the few things He has done that I agree with, and wish He'd do more of.
This is one thing i do not agree with. If you're caught with a gun when you are not suppose to have one, or illegal guns or whatever it may be, you should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Releasing these people will only result in them doing the same crimes all over again. The people who got pardoned for drug charges i see that. His whole presidency was about gun control. Where the hell is his "gun control" stance on this? Hypocrite |
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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2016, 10:45:17 AM » |
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January 20th 2017 can not come soon enough.......
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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2016, 10:47:49 AM » |
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What bugs me is why is he a better judge than the one who judged the crime to begin with? Seems to me he is playing God.
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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2016, 10:51:06 AM » |
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No victim, no crime.
This is one of the few things He has done that I agree with, and wish He'd do more of.
This is one thing i do not agree with. If you're caught with a gun when you are not suppose to have one, or illegal guns or whatever it may be, you should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Releasing these people will only result in them doing the same crimes all over again. The people who got pardoned for drug charges i see that. His whole presidency was about gun control. Where the hell is his "gun control" stance on this? Hypocrite My cursory examination of the details of those pardoned, the "gun crime" portion of their crime was having a gun in their possession while committing "drug crimes"... In other words, if they hadn't been committing a "drug crime" there would have not been a "gun crime" involved either... (I've admittedly only given a quick scan of those pardoned and not done a deep dive on them.) |
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« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2016, 10:56:21 AM » |
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No victim, no crime.
This is one of the few things He has done that I agree with, and wish He'd do more of.
This is one thing i do not agree with. If you're caught with a gun when you are not suppose to have one, or illegal guns or whatever it may be, you should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Releasing these people will only result in them doing the same crimes all over again. The people who got pardoned for drug charges i see that. His whole presidency was about gun control. Where the hell is his "gun control" stance on this? Hypocrite My cursory examination of the details of those pardoned, the "gun crime" portion of their crime was having a gun in their possession while committing "drug crimes"... In other words, if they hadn't been committing a "drug crime" there would have not been a "gun crime" involved either... (I've admittedly only given a quick scan of those pardoned and not done a deep dive on them.) I also noticed that but still, it was a gun crime. Let these losers rot in jail. If he was so worried about gun control he wouldn't even give them a second look. All he is doing is trying to make it harder for Trump. |
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« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2016, 12:26:06 PM » |
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No victim, no crime.
This is one of the few things He has done that I agree with, and wish He'd do more of.
This is one thing i do not agree with. If you're caught with a gun when you are not suppose to have one, or illegal guns or whatever it may be, you should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Releasing these people will only result in them doing the same crimes all over again. The people who got pardoned for drug charges i see that. His whole presidency was about gun control. Where the hell is his "gun control" stance on this? Hypocrite "His whole presidency was about gun control" ? Well I missed the last 8 years then. Would you name all the bills and proposals in the 8 years ? I can only remember 2. |
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« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2016, 12:31:41 PM » |
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No victim, no crime.
This is one of the few things He has done that I agree with, and wish He'd do more of.
This is one thing i do not agree with. If you're caught with a gun when you are not suppose to have one, or illegal guns or whatever it may be, you should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Releasing these people will only result in them doing the same crimes all over again. The people who got pardoned for drug charges i see that. His whole presidency was about gun control. Where the hell is his "gun control" stance on this? Hypocrite My cursory examination of the details of those pardoned, the "gun crime" portion of their crime was having a gun in their possession while committing "drug crimes"... In other words, if they hadn't been committing a "drug crime" there would have not been a "gun crime" involved either... (I've admittedly only given a quick scan of those pardoned and not done a deep dive on them.) I also noticed that but still, it was a gun crime. Let these losers rot in jail. If he was so worried about gun control he wouldn't even give them a second look. All he is doing is trying to make it harder for Trump. He has cooperated with Trump in this transition to the point that Trump complimented and thanked him. I haven't looked at any of the cases at all. But your example of having possession of the gun while breaking the law doesn't really hold up. If you had a gun while you were caught doing 85 on your bike, should you be convicted of a gun crime ? |
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« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2016, 01:40:30 PM » |
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I believe the number he has released is 1200 which is far more than any other president.
This last go around he released a number of violent drug dealing gun toting criminals that were given very long sentences. The long sentences were given for a reason.
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« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2016, 02:00:57 PM » |
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I am always leery of "gun crimes" as I dont think a permit should even be required for a handgun UNLESS you have a criminal record. I am that strong on the 2nd amendment
Using a gun in commission of a crime is not the same as you have a gun which was not brandished or used in the crime. Just cause you have a penis does not make you a rapist.
I know I am right of everyone but that is my opinion, So even tho I cant stand Obama I stand with Serk on this one
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« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2016, 02:38:45 PM » |
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I believe the number he has released is 1200 which is far more than any other president.
This last go around he released a number of violent drug dealing gun toting criminals that were given very long sentences. The long sentences were given for a reason.
Where are you guys getting these numbers ? This is what I find. Ronald Reagan (1981 to 1989) 406 George H.W. Bush (1989 to 1993) 77 Bill Clinton (1993 to 2001) 456 George W. Bush (2001 to 2009) 176 Barack Obama (2009 to 2017) 64 |
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« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2016, 02:52:42 PM » |
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I believe the number he has released is 1200 which is far more than any other president.
This last go around he released a number of violent drug dealing gun toting criminals that were given very long sentences. The long sentences were given for a reason.
Where are you guys getting these numbers ? This is what I find. Ronald Reagan (1981 to 1989) 406 George H.W. Bush (1989 to 1993) 77 Bill Clinton (1993 to 2001) 456 George W. Bush (2001 to 2009) 176 Barack Obama (2009 to 2017) 64 I think your site hasn't been updated yet. Here's what whitehouse.gov has to say: https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2016/12/19/president-obama-grants-153-commutations-and-78-pardons-individuals-deserving-second-RP |
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« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2016, 03:05:15 PM » |
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I believe the number he has released is 1200 which is far more than any other president.
This last go around he released a number of violent drug dealing gun toting criminals that were given very long sentences. The long sentences were given for a reason.
Where are you guys getting these numbers ? This is what I find. Ronald Reagan (1981 to 1989) 406 George H.W. Bush (1989 to 1993) 77 Bill Clinton (1993 to 2001) 456 George W. Bush (2001 to 2009) 176 Barack Obama (2009 to 2017) 64 I think your site hasn't been updated yet. Here's what whitehouse.gov has to say: https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2016/12/19/president-obama-grants-153-commutations-and-78-pardons-individuals-deserving-second-RP Thank you Now I also see where they are getting the 1,200 number. That would be commutations vs. the 142 pardons. |
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« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2016, 03:15:23 PM » |
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How about plea deals? Sure, what they were CONVICTED of might not be violent, but a LOT of cases are plea bargained down. How many of these "non-violent" offenders, actually committed violence, but were pled down to a lessor offense? I bet a lot.
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« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2016, 04:40:40 PM » |
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There's also a difference between having a gun on you, though never used, during the commission of a felony (where one might fairly assume it might get used during the felony if the perp feels the need, or else why'd he bring it along with him??), and having a gun on you speeding in your car. But turn that speeding into a felony fleeing and eluding, and..... there you are.
My take on this is that prisons need to be able to take all the violent felons we send them, and if non violent felons need to be released to make room, that is a good thing. I would have to read each released person's entire record before deciding if he was violent or nonviolent. Just going by generic categories is not really useful or helpful. Lot's of drug users and possessors are pretty nonviolent, and lots of drug sellers are violent.
I also tend to see the privatization of prisons for profit as both good and bad. The G has conclusively proved it can run nothing particularly well or frugally, but people should not be locked away so the private prisons make more money (with kickbacks to the appropriate officials).
Mandatory sentencing laws (and three-strike rules) also present a problem. Many were passed to achieve some uniformity in sentences, since it is fundamentally unfair for two guys who did the same thing to get radically differing sentences. And they were also passed to equalize out some pretty bad racial sentencing statistics. But everyone has read stories about some poor harmless fool who gets 10 years as the lowest sentence available under these laws... and even the judge apologizes from the bench and says his hands were tied. Similarly, everyone has read about the guy who failed to stop and killed a motorcyclist, and got a traffic citation as his sole punishment.
Further reform here is a good idea.
Without the 1200 files before me, I cannot make any judgment on Zero's actions..... other than to say that they will surely vote democrat, if they are ever allowed to vote again. Of that, I am certain.
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« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2016, 06:48:03 PM » |
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« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2016, 08:26:27 PM » |
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« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2016, 05:03:33 AM » |
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it would be interesting to know whether any of those released get arrested again.
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« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2016, 05:18:28 AM » |
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it would be interesting to know whether any of those released get arrested again.
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« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2016, 05:35:03 AM » |
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I am always leery of "gun crimes" as I dont think a permit should even be required for a handgun UNLESS you have a criminal record. I am that strong on the 2nd amendment
Using a gun in commission of a crime is not the same as you have a gun which was not brandished or used in the crime. Just cause you have a penis does not make you a rapist.
I know I am right of everyone but that is my opinion, So even tho I cant stand Obama I stand with Serk on this one
I agree with most of that. I have no problem with releasing people in there for minor drug crimes, but if I remember correctly, the last batch he let out were all Crack and Heroin dealers, with multiple felony arrests and convictions, the majority of them also having several felony gun arrests and convictions, a bunch of them also with violent assault records. What do you think these "career criminals" are going to do when they get out???? Get a job???? No, they are going to go right back to slinging dope to your kids, assaulting and robbing folks when the dope money ain't enough and making life a living hell to the honest, law abiding folks who live in the neighborhoods that they are going to dump these vermin back into. They should have to take these pardoned folks into their homes and foster them for awhile before dumping them back onto society. |
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« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2016, 09:12:33 AM » |
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They should have to take these pardoned folks into their homes and foster them for awhile before dumping them back onto society.
He's not interested in them becoming good citizens, he's looking for them to become loyal democrats.
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« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2016, 09:25:03 AM » |
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They should have to take these pardoned folks into their homes and foster them for awhile before dumping them back onto society.
He's not interested in them becoming good citizens, he's looking for them to become loyal democrats.
And wasn't it the governor of Virginia that released a herd of convicts and gave them the right to vote just for the same reason. I'm not sure what the courts said about that though, don't remember. |
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