I cannot believe this news out of Chicago

[The emperor has no clothes]

we are not talking about the 50's or 60's we are talking 8-10 years ago. 2006-2008

It was said it is happening more in the last 8 years than before. As I understand the English language that means he thinks less happened in the 50's and 60's.

You misunderstood, everyone knows it was very bad in the 50's and 60's but are the roles now switched? it's more black on white hate.

You think there is more black on white violence now than there was white on black violence before ?

i give up on you, you try to spin it in every direction but they way you know it is going. Good luck finding someone to hold a conversation with you.

+1 he well knows we are talking recent but yet seems to think the English laguage takes him to the 50-60's.
As far as devolving I just though that description would get the point across easier than a picture of an ostrich with its head in the sand

OK, I'll try a different tact.
1) you think Obama has created this increase in violence that is greater than ever before.
2) you think Obama has created this increase in violence that is greater than the 70's but less than the 50's and 60's.
3) you think the violence has always been with us and has stayed roughly equal.
4) you think the violence has decreased over time.
5) you don't care about the facts but hate Obama.

Dude where in the Hell did you read worse than ever before? We may as well take a trip to one of Hitlers camps while we are at it. You just can't help but stirring the pot. We all know it, even you know it.
You never heard me say I hated anyone. Yep Hate his idiotic way of doing things but never said I hate him. And from what I see yes the RACIAL violence had decreased. There will always be violence it is a fact.

#4 for you ? The poll was not directed at you specifically, but the board in general. It's hard to judge what's in people's hearts. But there is no doubt in my mind #5 applies to a fair amount.

I think # 2 and # 4 with some modification. I think Obama has created more of a divide when it comes to law enforcement and respect for authority. If he intended to or not he did.
I also think that there is more reverse racism now than since I been alive since 1955. I see more hate from blacks against whites than ever in my life. I grew up racist and when I went to college I totally got rid of those attitudes. I no longer see skin color when I see someone. I trust everyone unless they prove otherwise. That has served me well so far.
It seems to me that there are more white people who are less racist now but more blacks that are racist. But that is just my view and may not be reality for everywhere.

I too grew up in a racist household . I don't think I ever bought into it though. But it was what I knew. My 4 years in the Navy confirmed for me that there are good and bad in all races. Unfortunately I haven't come as far as you. I still see skin colors. I do my best to overcome those latent prejudices. As far as the amount of racism within the races, it's hard for me to quantify. I do know we all have a long way to go still. Yesterday as I was leaving work, a young woman with 3 kids was walking into the store. Ahead of me walking out was an older couple pushing their cart out. The littlest girl had ahold of her Moms hand and in the other arm a doll. As the older couple passed by them the man turned and looked at the little girl. The doll she was carrying was a dark skinned one. 5 feet later he turns to his wife and asks her if she saw that ? She did. He told her how wrong it was of the little girl to be carrying a little n*#^er doll. Some things don't ever seem to change. Thankfully by the time he started his diatribe they were out of earshot of this little girl. I'm not sure what I would have said to this douchebag if the little girl would have heard him.

[Wizzard]

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[/quote]I too grew up in a racist household . I don't think I ever bought into it though. But it was what I knew. My 4 years in the Navy confirmed for me that there are good and bad in all races. Unfortunately I haven't come as far as you. I still see skin colors. I do my best to overcome those latent prejudices. As far as the amount of racism within the races, it's hard for me to quantify. I do know we all have a long way to go still. Yesterday as I was leaving work, a young woman with 3 kids was walking into the store. Ahead of me walking out was an older couple pushing their cart out. The littlest girl had ahold of her Moms hand and in the other arm a doll. As the older couple passed by them the man turned and looked at the little girl. The doll she was carrying was a dark skinned one. 5 feet later he turns to his wife and asks her if she saw that ? She did. He told her how wrong it was of the little girl to be carrying a little n*#^er doll. Some things don't ever seem to change. Thankfully by the time he started his diatribe they were out of earshot of this little girl. I'm not sure what I would have said to this douchebag if the little girl would have heard him.
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I find that very sad. We are all people with feelings. Some of my best friends in college were of a different color than me. Sadly,, my Mom and Dad still harbor some racist feelings.

[3fan4life]

Whenever I hear someone say that they don't see "Color" , I usually want to call BS.

As human beings it is impossible not to notice another person's physical charcteristics.

The key would be NOT to make assumptions (prejudice) about someone based solely on their race or skin color.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Maybe not directly Rob but they were yelling  F*** Trump at the unfortunate young man so not much of a stretch to see where the thought process comes from

Their thought process was they are sick, twisted, dumb, punks. They've probably never even voted or would know how. Blaming this kind of crap on Obama is just stupid. And it shows the persons bias.

How can you NOT see a cause and effect relationship between what Obummer and the libs ( I lump all the BLM, LBGTXYZ, etc malcontents into this gorup) have been spouting going back to the police acting stupidly right up to falsely calling a presidential candidate a racist.  They have been at it for over 8 years now.  These feeble minded perpetrators of this last outrage were able to conclude that this is acceptable behavior because all the UNACCEPTABLE behavior up to this point has never been addressed.

So when the next White Supremist goes on a race induced violence binge, you are ok with Trump being blamed for it ?

[Gavin_Sons]

Maybe not directly Rob but they were yelling  F*** Trump at the unfortunate young man so not much of a stretch to see where the thought process comes from

Their thought process was they are sick, twisted, dumb, punks. They've probably never even voted or would know how. Blaming this kind of crap on Obama is just stupid. And it shows the persons bias.

How can you NOT see a cause and effect relationship between what Obummer and the libs ( I lump all the BLM, LBGTXYZ, etc malcontents into this gorup) have been spouting going back to the police acting stupidly right up to falsely calling a presidential candidate a racist.  They have been at it for over 8 years now.  These feeble minded perpetrators of this last outrage were able to conclude that this is acceptable behavior because all the UNACCEPTABLE behavior up to this point has never been addressed.

So when the next White Supremist goes on a race induced violence binge, you are ok with Trump being blamed for it ?

you really just need to quit. You are not helping anything by asking these dumb questions and spinning everything 180.

[Wizzard]

Whenever I hear someone say that they don't see "Color" , I usually want to call BS.

As human beings it is impossible not to notice another person's physical charcteristics.

The key would be NOT to make assumptions (prejudice) about someone based solely on their race or skin color.

When I said I don't see color I was assuming  your key point. That is what I was inferring.
I know many very nice people who are racist to the core. I still like them, I just don't like that view.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Maybe not directly Rob but they were yelling  F*** Trump at the unfortunate young man so not much of a stretch to see where the thought process comes from

Their thought process was they are sick, twisted, dumb, punks. They've probably never even voted or would know how. Blaming this kind of crap on Obama is just stupid. And it shows the persons bias.

How can you NOT see a cause and effect relationship between what Obummer and the libs ( I lump all the BLM, LBGTXYZ, etc malcontents into this gorup) have been spouting going back to the police acting stupidly right up to falsely calling a presidential candidate a racist.  They have been at it for over 8 years now.  These feeble minded perpetrators of this last outrage were able to conclude that this is acceptable behavior because all the UNACCEPTABLE behavior up to this point has never been addressed.

So when the next White Supremist goes on a race induced violence binge, you are ok with Trump being blamed for it ?

you really just need to quit. You are not helping anything by asking these dumb questions and spinning everything 180.

It wasn't directed to you Gavin. Skinhead quoted a question to me. If he doesn't want to answer that is up to him.

[Gavin_Sons]

Maybe not directly Rob but they were yelling  F*** Trump at the unfortunate young man so not much of a stretch to see where the thought process comes from

Their thought process was they are sick, twisted, dumb, punks. They've probably never even voted or would know how. Blaming this kind of crap on Obama is just stupid. And it shows the persons bias.

How can you NOT see a cause and effect relationship between what Obummer and the libs ( I lump all the BLM, LBGTXYZ, etc malcontents into this gorup) have been spouting going back to the police acting stupidly right up to falsely calling a presidential candidate a racist.  They have been at it for over 8 years now.  These feeble minded perpetrators of this last outrage were able to conclude that this is acceptable behavior because all the UNACCEPTABLE behavior up to this point has never been addressed.

So when the next White Supremist goes on a race induced violence binge, you are ok with Trump being blamed for it ?

you really just need to quit. You are not helping anything by asking these dumb questions and spinning everything 180.

It wasn't directed to you Gavin. Skinhead quoted a question to me. If he doesn't want to answer that is up to him.

i know, but this crap about you spinning everything 180 has got to stop.

[Hooter]

For cryin out loud! Why does everything turn into an argument here anymore?!!

[The emperor has no clothes]

Maybe not directly Rob but they were yelling  F*** Trump at the unfortunate young man so not much of a stretch to see where the thought process comes from

Their thought process was they are sick, twisted, dumb, punks. They've probably never even voted or would know how. Blaming this kind of crap on Obama is just stupid. And it shows the persons bias.

How can you NOT see a cause and effect relationship between what Obummer and the libs ( I lump all the BLM, LBGTXYZ, etc malcontents into this gorup) have been spouting going back to the police acting stupidly right up to falsely calling a presidential candidate a racist.  They have been at it for over 8 years now.  These feeble minded perpetrators of this last outrage were able to conclude that this is acceptable behavior because all the UNACCEPTABLE behavior up to this point has never been addressed.

So when the next White Supremist goes on a race induced violence binge, you are ok with Trump being blamed for it ?

you really just need to quit. You are not helping anything by asking these dumb questions and spinning everything 180.

It wasn't directed to you Gavin. Skinhead quoted a question to me. If he doesn't want to answer that is up to him.

i know, but this crap about you spinning everything 180 has got to stop.

Dude, just because you can't answer simple questions doesn't make it spin.

[Gavin_Sons]

Maybe not directly Rob but they were yelling  F*** Trump at the unfortunate young man so not much of a stretch to see where the thought process comes from

Their thought process was they are sick, twisted, dumb, punks. They've probably never even voted or would know how. Blaming this kind of crap on Obama is just stupid. And it shows the persons bias.

How can you NOT see a cause and effect relationship between what Obummer and the libs ( I lump all the BLM, LBGTXYZ, etc malcontents into this gorup) have been spouting going back to the police acting stupidly right up to falsely calling a presidential candidate a racist.  They have been at it for over 8 years now.  These feeble minded perpetrators of this last outrage were able to conclude that this is acceptable behavior because all the UNACCEPTABLE behavior up to this point has never been addressed.

So when the next White Supremist goes on a race induced violence binge, you are ok with Trump being blamed for it ?

you really just need to quit. You are not helping anything by asking these dumb questions and spinning everything 180.

It wasn't directed to you Gavin. Skinhead quoted a question to me. If he doesn't want to answer that is up to him.

i know, but this crap about you spinning everything 180 has got to stop.

Dude, just because you can't answer simple questions doesn't make it spin.

dude, they way you do it, yes it does.

[Skinhead]

Maybe not directly Rob but they were yelling  F*** Trump at the unfortunate young man so not much of a stretch to see where the thought process comes from

Their thought process was they are sick, twisted, dumb, punks. They've probably never even voted or would know how. Blaming this kind of crap on Obama is just stupid. And it shows the persons bias.

While I agree with you on this the Blaming comes from what we see not what we think. This type thing has gotten worse over the past 8 yrs as he stated before so who should be to blame Thomas Jefferson?

If you really think this type of thing has gotten worse over the past 8 years you should talk to some black people who survived the 50's and 60's. Granted with social media we see it more and quicker nowadays .

So there has been no improvement in race relations since the 50's and 60's??  There has been tremendous improvements, right up until Odumbass got elected, and from 2008 there has been a deterioration in relations between the races, and of course, it's all Bush's fault.

[Gavin_Sons]

For cryin out loud! Why does everything turn into an argument here anymore?!!

That's MH's goal, am i the only one that sees how he tries to spin everything the opposite direction just to get a rise out of people?

[The emperor has no clothes]

Maybe not directly Rob but they were yelling  F*** Trump at the unfortunate young man so not much of a stretch to see where the thought process comes from

Their thought process was they are sick, twisted, dumb, punks. They've probably never even voted or would know how. Blaming this kind of crap on Obama is just stupid. And it shows the persons bias.

While I agree with you on this the Blaming comes from what we see not what we think. This type thing has gotten worse over the past 8 yrs as he stated before so who should be to blame Thomas Jefferson?

If you really think this type of thing has gotten worse over the past 8 years you should talk to some black people who survived the 50's and 60's. Granted with social media we see it more and quicker nowadays .

So there has been no improvement in race relations since the 50's and 60's??  There has been tremendous improvements, right up until Odumbass got elected, and from 2008 there has been a deterioration in relations between the races, and of course, it's all Bush's fault.

2 points. Things have improved. If you have any statistics backing up your theory about the last 8 years, I would like to see them. I have never said it was Bush's fault. That little nugget only seems to come from others.

[The emperor has no clothes]

For cryin out loud! Why does everything turn into an argument here anymore?!!

It was a pretty civil discussion at first. Things went downhill quick though. 

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

we are not talking about the 50's or 60's we are talking 8-10 years ago. 2006-2008

It was said it is happening more in the last 8 years than before. As I understand the English language that means he thinks less happened in the 50's and 60's.

Normally I don't respond to meathead since disagreement is what he seems to thrive on. I'm making an exception now. Meathead you know exactly what I meant, you're being intentionally ignorant of my meaning because that's what you do.

I well remember the civil rights movement of the 60's, I was a small part of it. As you and anyone reading this would have known if honest, I wasn't talking about the 1700's, the 1800's, the slavery years or the pre-civil rights era.

I was talking about the recent past, you know, when we had virtually eradicated race based hate crimes. When racism was such a thing of the past that we elected a half black president that around 50% of the white population voted for. You know, back when nobody gave a damn what color you were. When cops weren't assassinated because of racial hate. When no one had to ride in the back of the bus, when no one had to fear being kidnapped and tortured from a Chicago street because of their race or political stance.

Be honest Meathead, you remember those days, they were right before we elected the great divider, Obama.

Now, I'm going to go back to ignoring you meathead because trying to get you to admit the obvious is a hopeless waste of time.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

For cryin out loud! Why does everything turn into an argument here anymore?!!

That's MH's goal, am i the only one that sees how he tries to spin everything the opposite direction just to get a rise out of people?

Exactly

[Davet261]

Two good things does come out in this, the mentality impaired boy survived and all those involved are legal age adults and be charged as such.

[98valk]

http://rightwingnews.com/democrats/breaking-congressional-black-caucus-creates-bill-make-white-people-pay/

[The emperor has no clothes]

How can you NOT see a cause and effect relationship between what Obummer and the libs ( I lump all the BLM, LBGTXYZ, etc malcontents into this gorup) have been spouting going back to the police acting stupidly right up to falsely calling a presidential candidate a racist.  They have been at it for over 8 years now.  These feeble minded perpetrators of this last outrage were able to conclude that this is acceptable behavior because all the UNACCEPTABLE behavior up to this point has never been addressed.

So when the next White Supremist goes on a race induced violence binge, you are ok with Trump being blamed for it ?

you really just need to quit. You are not helping anything by asking these dumb questions and spinning everything 180.

It wasn't directed to you Gavin. Skinhead quoted a question to me. If he doesn't want to answer that is up to him.

Sorry for the delay in responding, but I'm at work, and checking in here while files are processing.

MH:  I a white Supremist goes on a race induced violence binge, I am fine with you blaming Trump, but if you do I would hope you would have some behavior on Trumps part that would suggest that Trump influenced the WS's thinking that it was acceptable to go on his race induced violence binge.  

Here are some reasons (Cause and effect) I site for the behavior observed in Chicago:
Black college professor (unknown to the police) asked to identify himself and not complying with police requests-Obamma says police acted stupidly-Race baiters come out of the woodwork.  

Trayvon Martin shot because he was black, not because he was beating the crap out of an neighborhood watch person.

Hands up and shot by police while trying to surrender to police was the Obummers story until it was proven to not be true.

Cops in Baltimore charged with out indictments

There are other examples but I don't have the time.

One last one, Crazy white guy shoots up black church and the Confederate Flag must go because it is racist, removal of statues of Confederate generals in NOLA - Black democratic mayor's decision.

Thanks for the response.  I agree with some of your examples and some not so much. Hopefully we will be able to go 4 or 8 years without an incident.

[Psychotic Bovine]

the majority of people (not a huge majority) say race relations are worse under our current president.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/05/politics/obama-race-relations-poll/

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/14/us/most-americans-hold-grim-view-of-race-relations-poll-finds.html?_r=0

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1687/race-relations.aspx